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Was Moeen Ali right in wearing "Save Gaza" wristbands?

Was Moeen Ali right in wearing "Save Gaza" wristbands?

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100% right . The neo cons and zionists are making an issue of nothing


Moeen isn't saying 'israel = apartied'

People who are against it should be asked if they want gaza to burn then, becuase this is humanitarian


Infact I think people should suggest to the PCB to let Pak players do this if they whish too
 
No. Better stay clear of political conflicts on a cricket field.
 
I am actually torn between deciding if it was correct or not. We see people wearing pink ribbons for breast awareness or black ribbons for some other humantarian cause. So, if Moeen wears a gaza wristband it shouldnt be an issue.

On the other side, cricketers shouldn't be involved in anything that has a political color to it.
 
Breast cancer and AIDs awareness are not political conflicts.
 
Did he say destroy Israel? All he said was "Save Gaza" - he could have meant from ALL foes including Hamas!
 
Andy flower was halides as a hero for his death of democracy protest

That was a 100 times more political than saying "save gaza"
 
MenInG said:
Did he say destroy Israel? All he said was "Save Gaza" - he could have meant from ALL foes including Hamas!
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His intentions are noble and I'm sure he is lending his support off the pitch as well but on a cricket field, there is no room for these things. Is it too much to ask? I don't think it is.

I am not sure how Gaza will be not be saved if Moeen doesn't play wearing it.
 
Mamoon said:
I am not sure how Gaza will be not be saved if Moeen doesn't play wearing it.
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Thats like saying, what is the use of all protests and appeals against Israel because we are not sure how it is going to help Gaza. Have we gone so heartless that now we have got issues speaking against evil now?
 
I don't question his intentions but his bands will not affect the situation in any way at all.

He is doing a lot of good stuff off the field and it would be good if he keeps it there only.
 
Depends on the form of protest. If it means boycotting products like Coca Cola, I don't agree with it and I think its nonsense for which I have my reasons but I wouldn't want to discuss because that's not the crux of this thread.
 
Hes absolutely right to do what he did, good on him!
 
Pakistani_Legend said:
I don't question his intentions but his bands will not affect the situation in any way at all.

He is doing a lot of good stuff off the field and it would be good if he keeps it there only.
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Its got some peoples attention who otherwise wouldn't be discussing this conflict. Its all about raising awareness and its worked
 
Mamoon said:
Depends on the form of protest. If it means boycotting products like Coca Cola, I don't agree with it and I think its nonsense for which I have my reasons but I wouldn't want to discuss because that's not the crux of this thread.
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This boycotting gimmick is not going to work as we all use laptops which make use of Intel, a big supporter of Israel.
 
Pakistani_Legend said:
I don't question his intentions but his bands will not affect the situation in any way at all.

He is doing a lot of good stuff off the field and it would be good if he keeps it there only.
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The more voices the better, by starting this debate he has already done something


As for boycotts

Doing it for companies that are simply Jewish is stupid and wrong

But doing it for israeli companies, especially those who build in settlements like soda stream or donate directly to the IDF like the Strauss group , these are completely justified and supporters of Palestine who knowingly don't should be ashamed of themselves
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
The more voices the better, by starting this debate he has already done something


As for boycotts

Doing it for companies that are simply Jewish is stupid and wrong

But doing it for israeli companies, especially those who build in settlements like soda stream or donate directly to the IDF like the Strauss group , these are completely justified and supporters of Palestine who knowingly don't should be ashamed of themselves
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Yes, he is doing something off the field also and not just trying to seek attention. He is doing something so credit to him.
 
Pakistani_Legend said:
This boycotting gimmick is not going to work as we all use laptops which make use of Intel, a big supporter of Israel.
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Correct and people use the very same computers to spread awareness and demand people to boycott products like Coca Cola. If we stop buying Coke, what will happen to the factories in Pakistan? What about the people employed there? What about its impact on our economy? Nobody's got time for that, apparently.
 
When the players clothing, bats, gloves, caps et al are all plastered with logos of companies advertising anything from gambling websites to cigarettes, aimed at adults and youngsters alike, it's a bit rich to complain about the wording on one players wristband supporting a humanitarian cause.
 
what's wrong with it??

when you can wear wristbands with 'i love london' ect then why not free gaza?
 
Mamoon said:
Correct and people use the very same computers to spread awareness and demand people to boycott products like Coca Cola. If we stop buying Coke, what will happen to the factories in Pakistan? What about the people employed there? What about its impact on our economy? Nobody's got time for that, apparently.
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Coke is even present in Gaza.
So yes, that much won't make a difference.
 
He obviously feels very strongly about this.

I'd have thought that he would have discussed it with the ECB first and gained their approval beforehand.
 
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"Save Gaza" is not a political or antisemitic statement, targeted to any country or race. Moin didn't condemn Israel, neither cheered Hamas or Fatah. It's true that innocent people, kids & women are killed there & if this continues for long, an entire nation/race 'll be wiped out. It's a categorical genocide, another form of ethnic clinching - if anyone has other explanation, I 'll not debate. If raising voice to save innocent people of Gaza is reprimanded then probably Hitler, Karadic or Saddam shouldn't be condemned either. As an individual British Citizen, no one can stop Moin to show his grievance supporting the innocent people of Gaza. However, I am not sure weather that is right or wrong under ECB CoC. I think, ECB 'll not do anything against him & rightly so. If they take any action against him for this, Moin probably has the merit to go to court, I guess. If players can wear, "save Panda", "Green peace", "save nature" sort of wrist bands, don't think "Save Gaza" is punishable, at least in law.
 
^ It puts into Italics the one you voted for.

It was a wonderful gesture from Moeen and I commend him for it.
 
These things are not cricket-related and should be kept out of the cricket field.Moeen Ali lacks professionalism.
Wearing a wrist band won't make things better.
 
I dont see the fault here. He was advocating for a cause in a manner that was limited to his own self and body, and was in no way reflecting the views of the ECB as an organisation.

Wearing a wrist band should not affect the ECB, just as players with tattoos should not affect them. It's a personal stance that is portrayed as a personal stance (not a collective one) and there's no hindrance whatsoever in stopping him from expressing what he personally feels about the issue.

Its a strong, non-vocal gesture - and to me, it's alright.
 
desi_launda said:
These things are not cricket-related and should be kept out of the cricket field.Moeen Ali lacks professionalism.
Wearing a wrist band won't make things better.
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So Andrew Strauss lacked professionalism? why was he praised by entire UK and ICC then for promoting politics on the field?

Check it out!: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...Strauss-Help-for-Heroes-what-s-the-difference

Same with Andy Flower who went purely political on field one day.

While this issue of saving Palestine/Gaza is NOT EVEN POLITICAL.... Thousands of children and women have been murdered in the last couple of weeks. You have to be inhumane to call it political and not raising a voice against it.
 
Moeen felt the need to express his opinion, that's alright. ICC can also fine him if it's out of the rule. Both the parties are right.
 
He should concentrate on short pitch bowling when on pitch, not world Issues, but not saying he did right or wrong.

Just Saying, his 100% concentration should be doing well for England.
 
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The question is quite simple :

Did he do it out of humanity or did he do it out of being a Muslim with emotional attachment and sentiments?

I think we all know the answer.

He is going to get away with it, because humanitarian causes are not censured that much.

But we know what is going on.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The question is quite simple :

Did he do it out of humanity or did he do it out of being a Muslim with emotional attachment and sentiments?

I think we all know the answer.

He is going to get away with it, because humanitarian causes are not censured that much.

But we know what is going on.
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So only Muslims care about what is going on?
 
110% right. This is way above a sport, this is a real world issue and props to Moeen for bringing more publicity to it.

Save Gaza!

So only Muslims care about what is going on?
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Nope. That is just what some ignorant people think.
 
Snow said:
He should concentrate on short pitch bowling when on pitch, not world Issues, but not saying he did right or wrong.

Just Saying, his 100% concentration should be doing well for England. I would be ****** if i was English Fan.
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Lol, I doubt wearing a couple of arm-bands is going to have any impact on his cricket.
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
So only Muslims care about what is going on?
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No , but one could argue the case why he spoke only for a Muslim country?

Why not speak for Ukraine where there is civil war going on and people are being killed too?

Why not show solidarity for every other country where war is ravaging?
 
Bilal7 said:
110% right. This is way above a sport, this is a real world issue and props to Moeen for bringing more publicity to it.

Save Gaza!



Nope. That is just what some ignorant people think.
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If you are calling me ignorant you need to learn a lot about life.
 
Bilal7 said:
I know enough about life to applaud anyone who has the balls to stand up and protest in favor of it.
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But it becomes a bit of a hypocrisy or else it is purely religious, if he doesn't wear armbands saying "stop war everywhere in the world, not just GAza strip"

Why is Gaza so special to him?

Why not Ukraine?

Why not war everywhere?

Please take your "Fellow Muslim brother" Nonsense analogy somewhere else.
 
This 'its not about religion, its humanitarian' is the biggest load of BS I've heard in weeks. The only reason Pakistani Muslims are getting their knickers in a twist is for the fact that Muslims are being oppressed and the Zionists are the oppressors. There is nothing more to it.

We are not humanitarians and never were. The only humanity we care about is [Muslims]Humanity[/Muslims].
 
Since when did it become wrong to express your support for a group of people who are oppressed and discriminated?
 
Zaz said:
Since when did it become wrong to express your support for a group of people who are oppressed and discriminated?
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Never yaar. It's not wrong.

But promoting your ideas on a cricket field which are borderline religious and political is opening a can of worms.

There are many other avenues where he can raise his protest and show solidarity.

Politicization of the cricket field is not the answer.
 
I want to LOL on some of the pseudo intellects so hard. They always go with their support the minority opinion approach which makes them feel special.

I went to dailymail and read some articles on Israel. Surprisngly the comments of people were very supportive of Palestine and they were rather bashing some people who were supporting monsters. Then i went to Times of India and the indian cricket forum, they are literally abusing Moeen Ali, bashing him and defending Israel. Pathetic low lives.
 
Its okay for Australia to boycott Zimbabve for years on political grounds but its bad if some guy wears a band. Hypocrisy at its peak.
 
Who cares why he did it? Supporting a righteous cause is never wrong
 
Looking at the poll results however, it is certain that overwhelming majority feels that sports , borderline religion and politics and humanitarian causes should be associated with each other.

Now whether this sentiment is being shared by just Majority of Pakistanis, or if everyone wants sports to be a forum to express their solidarity for war and other things is anyone's guess.

I might add on the topic, this is beyond India or Pakistan as some posters are involving even Indians and India in it.

This is about whether sports should be a forum for promoting your cause.

I don't think it should ever be.

And I hope to God it never comes that way.
 
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99% of the people here will not go out of their way to lend their support to people or Gaza or help them anyway. Ultimately, making noises on social media and wearing humanitarian masks is conveniently easy.

Most people turn their morality meter to full scale once they are online and turn it off once they log out.
 
Mamoon said:
99% of the people here will not go out of their way to lend their support to people or Gaza or help them anyway. Ultimately, making noises on social media and wearing humanitarian masks is conveniently easy.

Most people turn their morality meter to full scale once they are online and turn it off once they log out.
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True True and True

but why is it wrong if someone who is an international figure makes a point it is all about making a point.
 
99 per cent? WOW where did you get that stat?
At least some people have the heart to do it online if not offline. Some people cant even manage to do it online. Sadly.
 
Its not wrong, but I don't think a cricket field is the right platform.

Off the pitch, he can do whatever he can for Gaza. Surely his actions are noble but I don't agree with these things in sports.
 
Some people are not hypocritical and I was generous to present the 99% figure, because you can make it 120% in truth (strictly referring to PPers).

I personally won't help people of Gaza because I don't have the resources and even if I do have the resources, its not my priority but I would rather be open about it rather than have a dual personality.
 
Kind of off topic but Social Media is one of the best ways to spread messages. The media is arguably the strongest source and in the end is what helps people make choices. Its the reason the USA failed in Vietnam and its the reason why Muslims are associated with Terrorists even after so much protests and support. The media is very very powerful and if its supporting you, virtually everything is below you :zardari
 
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You personally dont want to. But you have no right to stop or criticise someone if they want to. Ever heard about minding your own business?
 
Haz95 said:
Kind of off topic but Social Media is one of the best ways to spread messages. The media is the strongest entity and in the end is what helps people make choices. Its the reason the USA failed in Vietnam and its the reason why Muslims are associated with Terrorists even after so much protests and support. The media is very very powerful and if its supporting you, virtually everything is below you :zardari
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Exactly. Remember that KONY movement. People were supporting it. No one batted an eye because it didnt involve Muslims.
 
No one wants to do anything. All they want to do is fish for likes on Facebook and retweets on Twitter.

There is no shortage of armchair humanists in Pakistan (read: Muslims humanists).
 
Alchemy said:
Exactly. Remember that KONY movement. People were supporting it. No one batted an eye because it didnt involve Muslims.
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The kony movement was utter bs and even then it had so much support due to media backing.
Not sure what no1 caring about Muslims has to do with this tho :13:
 
I don't mind tweets on social media, although I never do it myself because it looks borderline fake.

But tweeting about your cause on twitter, or promoting it in facebook is still somewhat acceptable.

Playing cricket on the field and telling people you support Gaza and Free Palestine at the same time is not.
 
Armchair humanism is not the problem, double standards are.
 
The ICC have banned Ali from wearing the wristbands. Statement to follow shortly.
 
I totally disagree that people who post on facebook or twitter just do it for the likes or re-tweets. Thats something a socio-path would say. I personally know many people who donated to the cause of IDPs and i myself who avoids political stuff made a sentimental post regarding Gaza because it hurt me deeply.

And even if i agree with your case. I would say again, at least they have the humanity to say call out something as wrong rather than keeping mum about it and accepting opression. There is very famous Hadith about such stuff which i read during my O levels. If you see something bad stop it with action, if you cant do that then stop it with your tongue, if you cant stop it with your tongue at least consider it bad in your heart, that is the weakest of faith.
 
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Yes Help for Heroes campaign is okay but wearing Save Ghaza band is not. :13:
 
Vulcan said:
Yes Help for Heroes campaign is okay but wearing Save Ghaza band is not. :13:
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Yes sometimes that's how it works, the ECB have had the campaign passed by the ICC and followed all the correct procedures to allow this to happen. Did Moeen follow all the correct procedures regarding advertising and promotion of his advertising material.

When I was a kid I was allowed to go to the park if I had permission from my parents, if I went without permission then I would be in trouble, not for being in the park but for not getting permission first.
 
Gilly said:
Yes sometimes that's how it works, the ECB have had the campaign passed by the ICC and followed all the correct procedures to allow this to happen. Did Moeen follow all the correct procedures regarding advertising and promotion of his advertising material.

When I was a kid I was allowed to go to the park if I had permission from my parents, if I went without permission then I would be in trouble, not for being in the park but for not getting permission first.
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They are not kids. And how wearing a band is harming anyone?
 
Nothing wrong with it at all.
Pakistani_Legend said:
I don't question his intentions but his bands will not affect the situation in any way at all.

He is doing a lot of good stuff off the field and it would be good if he keeps it there only.
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The fact that we're here talking about it means that his actions have already had some effect. I have already noticed a handful of posters on this thread that I haven't seen in the main Gaza-Israel thread in Time Pass.

Pakistani_Legend said:
This boycotting gimmick is not going to work as we all use laptops which make use of Intel, a big supporter of Israel.
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Not everyone. I use AMD for that reason as do many others.

Mamoon said:
Correct and people use the very same computers to spread awareness and demand people to boycott products like Coca Cola. If we stop buying Coke, what will happen to the factories in Pakistan? What about the people employed there? What about its impact on our economy? Nobody's got time for that, apparently.
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I don't know about Coke but some companies have a very high profile role in the continued occupation and boycotting them has shown to be an effective method of denting their relationship with Israel and the illegal occupation. HP provide tech for the checkpoint system and monitoring of Palestinians, CAT provide bulldozers for the destruction of homes. In many UK supermarkets a lot of fresh produce such as fruit and veg is grown on occupied land. Where possible, everyone should avoid buying products sourced from occupied territory at the very least.
 
Wristy_Shuffler said:
Nothing wrong with it at all.


The fact that we're here talking about it means that his actions have already had some effect. I have already noticed a handful of posters on this thread that I haven't seen in the main Gaza-Israel thread in Time Pass.



Not everyone. I use AMD for that reason as do many others.



I don't know about Coke but some companies have a very high profile role in the continued occupation and boycotting them has shown to be an effective method of denting their relationship with Israel and the illegal occupation. HP provide tech for the checkpoint system and monitoring of Palestinians, CAT provide bulldozers for the destruction of homes. In many UK supermarkets a lot of fresh produce such as fruit and veg is grown on occupied land. Where possible, everyone should avoid buying products sourced from occupied territory at the very least.
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What about the people who are using HP laptops to voice their support to Gaza?
 
Wristy_Shuffler said:
Nothing wrong with it at all.

The fact that we're here talking about it means that his actions have already had some effect. I have already noticed a handful of posters on this thread that I haven't seen in the main Gaza-Israel thread in Time Pass.
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We are just going to post things, how does it affect them?

Not everyone. I use AMD for that reason as do many others.
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Yes, and the rest use other laptops which make use of it and spread awareness using the same.
 
He was right to wear it if that's what he believed.

His team and board were right to support him.

The ICC were right in not suspending him, rather they gave him a slap on the wrist and said he can't keep doing it to turn the Test series into a sideshow. He's made his statement so we can all move on.

(Except for those living in Gaza, they can't move on, but Moeen can't do much more than he has done.)
 
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