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Was the 'Aane Do' series Pakistan lineup the most effective?

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Ranked 7th in ODI rankings, lets face it Pakistan is a poor ODI team. I watched so many series defeats over the last 3 years.

Post world cup 2011 Pakistan had a very good team. Even if it was full of TTF players it delivered a very important series win away in India. I don't know which other ODI Pak team has performed under such extreme pressure.

3rd ODI against OZ in UAE recently was a complete flop of magnificent proportions, whitewashed at home and a QF WC exit just confirms Pakistan is not a top 4 ODI team.

This was the Aane do series lineup.

Nasir Jamshed
Mohammed Hafeez
Azhar Ali
Younis Khan
Misbah
Shoaib Malik
Kamran Akmal
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal
Junaid Khan
Mohammed Irfan

No Afridi :13:
 
The reason that XI won in India was because the Indian team itself was carrying passengers who gave a heavier burden than the passengers we were carrying.

Sehwag and Gambhir were finished, and Yuvraj is traumatized to this very day. Rohit Sharma had not reinvented himself and was just a hit or miss player back then. The loss to Pakistan in the series got the management/selectors/captain to rethink their strategy and get rid off the passengers Sehwag, Yuvraj and Gambhir, regardless of the records and accolades they had (something that has taken our management half a decade, even then they clench onto Younis the silent guardian). They replaced them with Dhawan and promoted Rohit to the top, which proved a masterstroke and a turning point in the latter's career.

From that series forward, India went onto win the Champions Trophy, while we crashed out in the worst way possible.. Younis Khan had outdone his own mediocrity in South Africa, and Malik as well as Kamran proved their class in CT13. So no, that is not the best possible line up.
 
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The reason that XI won in India was because the Indian team itself was carrying passengers who gave a heavier burden than the passengers we were carrying.

Sehwag and Gambhir was finished, and Yuvraj is traumatized to this very day. Rohit Sharma had not reinvented himself and was just a hit or miss player back then. The loss to Pakistan in the series got the management/selectors/captain to rethink their strategy and get rid off the passengers Sehwag, Yuvraj and Gambhir, regardless of the records and accolades they had (something that has taken our management half a decade, even then they clench onto Younis the silent guardian). They replaced them with Dhawan and promoted Rohit to the top, which proved a master stroke and a turning point in the latter's career.

From that series forward, India went onto win the Champions Trophy, while we crashed out in the worst way possible.. Younis Khan had outdone his own mediocrity in South Africa, and Malik as well as Kamran proved their class in CT13. So no, that is not the best possible line up.

Dont take credit away from Pakistan. Kohli ,raina flopped in that series too and they were established players.
 
You used effective and TTF to describe the same lineup.

There is no point in fielding that lineup today as Kamran Akmal and Shoaib Malik are way their prime and would not fare well for us in 2019 WC. We need long term options.
 
I watched every ball of that series and dont think that our batting was special in one game Junaid rattled India for 29-4 and thus we had to chase something 240ish the due factor played a huge role in that chase similarly in next game Jamshed flukishly hit another ton and we won the game, the third game which was a glorious opportunity to whitewash our arch-rivals we inexplicably bizarrely bottled or choked and bundled out while chasing lowish 160 odd still remember that ugly dismissal of Hafeez as he batted low down the order :facepalm: and then the whole world witnessed a team losing the series but still celebrated like they achieved something unthinkable !
 
Dont take credit away from Pakistan. Kohli ,raina flopped in that series too and they were established players.

Didn't mean to take credit if that's what it came out as. Full credit to our bowlers, they were the difference between the two sides. Our batting was as horrendous as ever. Made a fuss out of chasing ~230 against THAT attack, rofl. Last ODI the lineup OP listed failed to chase 170 iirc, lol. Which is why this is a terrible lineup. Bowling attack could've worked in 2012, but the guys listed are either past their primes today or are coming back from a hiatus.
 
I watched every ball of that series and dont think that our batting was special in one game Junaid rattled India for 29-4 and thus we had to chase something 240ish the due factor played a huge role in that chase similarly in next game Jamshed flukishly hit another ton and we won the game, the third game which was a glorious opportunity to whitewash our arch-rivals we inexplicably bizarrely bottled or choked and bundled out while chasing lowish 160 odd still remember that ugly dismissal of Hafeez as he batted low down the order :facepalm: and then the whole world witnessed a team losing the series but still celebrated like they achieved something unthinkable !

Yup, remember every moment of that , huge facepalm moment...
 
Dhoni and team were disinterested in that series....just like they were in the tri series before the world cup....

the pitches made had more swing than the pitches in England.....india were totally fatigued with too much cricket, IPL etc....
and it was a hurriedly set up series by the greedy BCCI.....which Dhoni thought of teaching a lesson to them.....but it still hurts to lose against arch rivals pakistan.....so yes that was a forgettable series for India.....

But as some one said above....they quickly bounced back to win the Champions trophy .... and took the revenge by thrashing Pakistan and knocking them out of the Champions trophy.....
 
This was far from an effective lineup.

We only won, because -
a) Their team was loaded with players well passed their best.
b) Nasir Jamshed's fluke centuries.
c) Junaid somehow swinging the ball, though he never usually swings it. Conditions suited him.

We took a similar style team to the Champions trophy, and got destroyed.
 
Dhoni and team were disinterested in that series....just like they were in the tri series before the world cup....

the pitches made had more swing than the pitches in England.....india were totally fatigued with too much cricket, IPL etc....
and it was a hurriedly set up series by the greedy BCCI.....which Dhoni thought of teaching a lesson to them.....but it still hurts to lose against arch rivals pakistan.....so yes that was a forgettable series for India.....


But as some one said above....they quickly bounced back to win the Champions trophy .... and took the revenge by thrashing Pakistan and knocking them out of the Champions trophy.....

Hehehe. Pak was also disinterested in CT13, last CWC and now CWC 15
 
The reasons for pakistan's success in that series were-

1) India was totally in disarray after home series loss against england(tests) and every one was calling for dhoni's head. Sehwag and gambhir was totally out of form.

2) The series was played in cold and overcast conditions, similar to english conditions. Even the chennai wicket which is known for his assistance to spinners only was swinging and seaming. Even there were some day-matches too which was rare since we mostly play D/N matches. The early morning swinging conditions worked for pakistan.

3)Dhoni played wrong bowlers in the first two ODIs. On an unusally seaming chennai turf he went with bowlers like Ishant and Dinda. While Ishant's seam position use to horrible back in those days (he rectified it later during test series against NZ in 2014) and Dinda could't move the ball to save his life and was a scatter gun. Only Bhuvi's selection was spot on. Dhoni rectified it by dropping Dinda and selecting Shami in 3rd ODI and it worked! but it was too late by then.

Despite that I have to say pakistan played some terrific cricket in that series. They deserve every credit for what they achieve. Their bowling attack was something!
 
Dhoni and team were disinterested in that series....just like they were in the tri series before the world cup....

the pitches made had more swing than the pitches in England.....india were totally fatigued with too much cricket, IPL etc....
and it was a hurriedly set up series by the greedy BCCI.....which Dhoni thought of teaching a lesson to them.....but it still hurts to lose against arch rivals pakistan.....so yes that was a forgettable series for India.....

But as some one said above....they quickly bounced back to win the Champions trophy .... and took the revenge by thrashing Pakistan and knocking them out of the Champions trophy.....

insecure much? they won fair and square their bowlers stepped up, Indian batsmen didn't.

/thread.
 
The problem has always been the batting and the batting was ordinary in that series too.

Go and look at the scorecards.

Chased 235 in 1 game- good for pakistan but not exceptional given circumstances (indian bowling!!)
out for 250 in the next (after being 135-0)

And out for 150 in the third game

Get a grip.

They felt plenty of pressure in that series as I would expect that pak batting line up to post 260+ every time vs that india bowling.
 
I watched every ball of that series and dont think that our batting was special in one game Junaid rattled India for 29-4 and thus we had to chase something 240ish the due factor played a huge role in that chase similarly in next game Jamshed flukishly hit another ton and we won the game, the third game which was a glorious opportunity to whitewash our arch-rivals we inexplicably bizarrely bottled or choked and bundled out while chasing lowish 160 odd still remember that ugly dismissal of Hafeez as he batted low down the order :facepalm: and then the whole world witnessed a team losing the series but still celebrated like they achieved something unthinkable !

That is because you are not looking at the context.

Prior to that series we had lost 0-8 overseas and even in home series we lost 1-2 against England.

That was super crushing.

Mohinder Amarnath was going on about Dhoni in TV...whole media was against Dhoni....SRt didn't retire in tests prior to that and was a burden...Ashwin flopped big time against England at home....overseas whitewashes....over the hill Sehwag and Gambo....Yuvi never looked the same player and was a flop against England in test series and dropped easy sitter against Pakistan in the first ODI not to mention his horrible fielding....add to this the fact that Rohit was a huge waste of space in the middle order...Raina was looking so out of zone...

Dhoni was probably at the lowest point in his cricketing life in terms of stress.

The morale was down the GUTTER and we got whacked by Pakistan left, right and centre. Lost the series without a proper fight in the 2nd ODI.

We had 1 final ODI to salvage something but things looked hopeless.

When we batted, another collapse ensued and it looked like the same thing all over again before Dhoni's 30 odd and a few others chipped in to make the score 160.

When Pak batted, they were waiting to play off the pacers (cos the conditions favored them) and go after the spinners like the prev 2 ODIs.

Things were going to plan and it looked like an EASY whitewash that would have been more soul crushing.

At that time, Ashwin got a fluke wicket of Jamshed with a bad delivery and Indians started putting in pressure. We just fought inspite of all hopes lost.

Pak stuttered and Indian spinners went from strength to strength (both Ashwin and Jaddu...especially Jaddu)...and after a long and tough fight we won the game.

The CELEBRATIONS WERE HUGE and I as a fan was jumping cos the context of the win was big. It was something to salvage after months and months of phainty against different sides.

After the series, the selectors woke up...changed the squad and i the next 2 ICC ODI tournaments we lost 1 ODI (and that was against Aussies in WC 2015 SF).

So yeah....from our point of view that win was huge.

Now we trounce SL 5-0 at home and nobody is even bothered. Won against Aus at home but nowhere close to that much euphoria we got against that Pak game because of what we went through.

Life is like that. When the going is good...incredible things seem normal. When the going is bad...even the smallest of things look like a great accomplishment and its perfectly alright to celebrate it like crazy cos that's a break.
 
Yeah use the same team in next T20 WC as well as that also is in India.
 
series Won due to bowling, magical bowling by Junaid and Irfan, just destroyed the Indian batting line up.
 
I am a firm believer that Pakistan has the talent to go back in the top 4 of ODI rankings. We just need some selectors who know how to do their job and are not influenced.

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It wasn't the most effective, India were in bad shape and Pakistan for once had some good batting form combined with Amazing bowling from Irfan and Junaid.

That's the only reason we won.
 
That is because you are not looking at the context.

Prior to that series we had lost 0-8 overseas and even in home series we lost 1-2 against England.

That was super crushing.

Mohinder Amarnath was going on about Dhoni in TV...whole media was against Dhoni....SRt didn't retire in tests prior to that and was a burden...Ashwin flopped big time against England at home....overseas whitewashes....over the hill Sehwag and Gambo....Yuvi never looked the same player and was a flop against England in test series and dropped easy sitter against Pakistan in the first ODI not to mention his horrible fielding....add to this the fact that Rohit was a huge waste of space in the middle order...Raina was looking so out of zone...

Dhoni was probably at the lowest point in his cricketing life in terms of stress.

The morale was down the GUTTER and we got whacked by Pakistan left, right and centre. Lost the series without a proper fight in the 2nd ODI.

We had 1 final ODI to salvage something but things looked hopeless.

When we batted, another collapse ensued and it looked like the same thing all over again before Dhoni's 30 odd and a few others chipped in to make the score 160.

When Pak batted, they were waiting to play off the pacers (cos the conditions favored them) and go after the spinners like the prev 2 ODIs.

Things were going to plan and it looked like an EASY whitewash that would have been more soul crushing.

At that time, Ashwin got a fluke wicket of Jamshed with a bad delivery and Indians started putting in pressure. We just fought inspite of all hopes lost.

Pak stuttered and Indian spinners went from strength to strength (both Ashwin and Jaddu...especially Jaddu)...and after a long and tough fight we won the game.

The CELEBRATIONS WERE HUGE and I as a fan was jumping cos the context of the win was big. It was something to salvage after months and months of phainty against different sides.

After the series, the selectors woke up...changed the squad and i the next 2 ICC ODI tournaments we lost 1 ODI (and that was against Aussies in WC 2015 SF).

So yeah....from our point of view that win was huge.

Now we trounce SL 5-0 at home and nobody is even bothered. Won against Aus at home but nowhere close to that much euphoria we got against that Pak game because of what we went through.

Life is like that. When the going is good...incredible things seem normal. When the going is bad...even the smallest of things look like a great accomplishment and its perfectly alright to celebrate it like crazy cos that's a break.

Quality post once again.
 
No that Pakistan batting line-up was pretty bad but our strong bowling and india's bowling "attack" made sure we won the series.
 
IMO - that series was the rise of Hafeez as the indispensable all-rounder to our team. Will always have a soft corner for him for the way he played that series!
 
Switch out Younis, Malik and Kamran for Rizwan, Akmal/Maqsood and Sarfaraz and you have a good team. That bowling attack was absolutely world-class though, its a pity they didn't get to play together much after that.
 
Ranked 7th in ODI rankings, lets face it Pakistan is a poor ODI team. I watched so many series defeats over the last 3 years.

Post world cup 2011 Pakistan had a very good team. Even if it was full of TTF players it delivered a very important series win away in India. I don't know which other ODI Pak team has performed under such extreme pressure.

3rd ODI against OZ in UAE recently was a complete flop of magnificent proportions, whitewashed at home and a QF WC exit just confirms Pakistan is not a top 4 ODI team.

This was the Aane do series lineup.

Nasir Jamshed
Mohammed Hafeez
Azhar Ali
Younis Khan
Misbah
Shoaib Malik
Kamran Akmal
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal
Junaid Khan
Mohammed Irfan

No Afridi :13:

I think you may have got your answer now. :yk

Half a decade later, some very striking similarities with today's team, especially with the batting - not any real quick players except for big Nas and this time it was Fakhar who added impetus up top.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> 2012. Pakistan beat India by 5 wickets in Bengaluru in a T20I. Umar Gul took 3/21 as India scored 133/9. Pakistan were 12/3 but then Mohammad Hafeez with 61 & Shoaib Malik's 57* took Pakistan to victory <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y1oFg85yIr">pic.twitter.com/Y1oFg85yIr</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1209834040326533125?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Nasir Jamshed. Oh dear, things looked so bright for him and look where he is now.
 
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