Was there any communication between God and Prophet except the Quranic revelations?

[venomousx]

With all the discussion going on in so many threads about the authenticity of hadith, this is one of the major questions that come to mind. So many hadith contain knowledge which is not present in the Quran. If Allah didn't reveal all those things, how did the Prophet(pbuh) come to know about them? and if He did, how did the Holy Prophet(pbuh) know what is to be included in the Quran and what not? For example all this stuff about dajjal, and other signs of the end times, how did Prophet(pbuh) get to know about it all if Allah didn't reveal it to him? And if he did, why wasn't this included in the Quran?
Discuss.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

''While we were one day sitting with the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), there appeared before us a man dressed in extremely white clothes and with very black hair. No traces of journeying were visible on him, and none of us knew him. He sat down close by the Prophet (peace be upon him), rested his knee against his thighs, and said, 'O Muhammad! Inform me about Islam.'

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said, 'Islam is that you should testify that there is no deity except Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger, that you should perform salah, pay the Zakah, fast during Ramadan, and perform Hajj to the House, if you are able to do so.'

The man said, 'You have spoken truly.' We were astonished at his questioning him (the Messenger) and telling him that he was right, but he went on to say, 'Inform me about iman.'

He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, 'It is that you believe in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Messengers and in the Last Day, and in qadar (fate), both in its good and in its evil aspects.' He said, 'You have spoken truly.'

Then he (the man) said, 'Inform me about Ihsan.' He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, 'It is that you should serve Allah as though you could see Him, for though you cannot see Him yet (know that) He sees you.'

He said, 'Inform me about the Hour.' He (the Messenger of Allah) said, 'About that, the one questioned knows no more than the questioner.' So he said, 'Well, inform me about the signs thereof.' He said, 'They are that the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress, that you will see the barefooted, naked, destitute, the herdsmen of the sheep (competing with each other) in raising lofty buildings.' Thereupon the man went of.''

I waited a while, and then he (the Messenger of Allah) said, 'O Umar, do you know who that questioner was?' I replied, 'Allah and His Messenger know better.' He said, 'That was Jibril (the Angel Gabriel). He came to teach you your religion.'

[Muslim]
Commentary Summary

Written commentary compiled by volunteers utilizing Sh. Jamaal Diwan's audio commentary above and English translation of Ibn Daqiq Al-Id's commentary on The Forty Hadith of Imam al-Nawawi.
The Significance of this Hadith

This hadith includes within it all outwardly actions and inwardly beliefs. The sciences of the Sharia’ return back to this hadith due to it encompassing knowledge of the Sunnah. Hence, some of the scholars have termed this hadith the Mother or Core of the Sunnah, just as Surah al-Fatiha has been termed the Mother or Core of the Qur'aan, due to it containing the entire Message of the Qur'an.

This hadith is also known as Hadith Jibreel (Angel Gabriel) (as). The hadith tells the story of Jibreel (as) when he came to the Prophet (sas), asking a set of questions. The Prophet (sas) responded to those questions and then addressed his companions. There is a door called “Baab Jibreel” at Masjid An-Nabawi in Madina. It is known as the door that Jibreel (as) came in to ask the Prophet (sas) these questions.


http://www.40hadithnawawi.com/index.php/the-hadiths/hadith-2

 

[shakil]

Surah 53. An-Najm, Ayah 3

and neither does he speak out of his own desire:

So according to Quran, the answer is Yes

 

[Justcrazy]

Yes , there were communications.

 

[venomousx]

Thanks for your views guys. However, based on this ayat.."[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book." If Allah actually revealed something like Dajjal will come then and then...shouldn't it be a part of Quran?

 

[cricketmerijaan]

In the Quran I am sure you are aware of Alif Laam Meem. When Jibrael revealed those letters, Jibrael himself didn't know what Alif Laam Meem meant. When the letter combination was revealed to the Holy Prophet (Saw), he said to Jibrael 'Fahimtu', meaning that he understands. Alif Laam Meem is code talk between The Holy Prophet and Allah SWT. They are called Muqattiaat. This is an example of communication between God and the Prophet that happened between Allah and the Prophet that is not revealed in the Quran. Also on Isra wal Miraj, God and the Prophet had dialogue in complete privacy, which again we don't know if some, or a portion of that dialogue was revealed in the Quran.

 

[Justcrazy]

Thanks for your views guys. However, based on this ayat.."[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book." If Allah actually revealed something like Dajjal will come then and then...shouldn't it be a part of Quran?

Quran is a book for guidance , it is not an encyclopedia.

The prophets were sent so as to explain the revelations in detail through there actions.

 

[Justcrazy]

In the Quran I am sure you are aware of Alif Laam Meem. When Jibrael revealed those letters, Jibrael himself didn't know what Alif Laam Meem meant. When the letter combination was revealed to the Holy Prophet (Saw), he said to Jibrael 'Fahimtu', meaning that he understands. Alif Laam Meem is code talk between The Holy Prophet and Allah SWT. They are called Muqattiaat. This is an example of communication between God and the Prophet that happened between Allah and the Prophet that is not revealed in the Quran. Also on Isra wal Miraj, God and the Prophet had dialogue in complete privacy, which again we don't know if some, or a portion of that dialogue was revealed in the Quran.

If Allah ( swt ) wanted to tell something secretly to prophet , he would have done by inspiration or in dreams. The interpretation you giving is given by one particular sect , there are other opinions regarding those as well.

Alif Lam Meem or such words that we find in begining of different surahs were not revealed separately , they were revealed with little more of Quran , so prophet saying " he understands" means he has received the message.

 

[KarachiKing]

very interesting thread

 

[Mughal]

 

[shakil]

Thanks for your views guys. However, based on this ayat.."[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book." If Allah actually revealed something like Dajjal will come then and then...shouldn't it be a part of Quran?

Are you sure the ayah 6:38 refers to the Quran itself or does it refer to Luh-e-Mahfooz. If it refers to the Quran, than what about this ayah (Surah Al-hajj)?

 

[venomousx]

Are you sure the ayah 6:38 refers to the Quran itself or does it refer to Luh-e-Mahfooz. If it refers to the Quran, than what about this ayah (Surah Al-hajj)?

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Interesting view. But in the light of these two ayat I believe that it definitely refers to Quran since the book in the ayat you mentioned hasn't been revealed to us.

[Quran 7:52] We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.

[Quran 12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
The Quran proclaims that the Quran is complete, perfect, and fully detailed.

 

[shakil]

Interesting view. But in the light of these two ayat I believe that it definitely refers to Quran since the book in the ayat you mentioned hasn't been revealed to us.

[Quran 7:52] We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.

[Quran 12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
The Quran proclaims that the Quran is complete, perfect, and fully detailed.

These two ayaat describe Quran to be descriptive but it doesn't claim it to be complete (only descriptive). In any case, tradition has to be followed for Namaaz and other (mostly less important) matters of deen (like Azaan, avoiding interest, recommendations regarding daily routines etc.)

Obviously, Quranic recommendations are the core of Islam but the Hadiths provide guidance in case of any ambiguity or missing details.

"(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (PBUH)". (Quran 4:59)

As for Dajjal, belief in Dajjal isn't a core part of Islam because it is not in Quran. It is up to you to take belief from Hadith but for Sunnis* believes are from Quran and Ahkaam (orders) are from first Quran and than Hadith

*Many Sunnis regard punishment in grave to be core part of Islam like Imam Ghazali but I have never heard anyone called Kafaar simply for disbelieving punishment in grave.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION]

With the sad demise of Prophet Mohammad Pbuh did the revelations Cease ?

Any evidence from Holy Quran ?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

[MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION]

With the sad demise of Prophet Mohammad Pbuh did the revelations Cease ?

Any evidence from Holy Quran ?

So you're saying revelations were brought down even after the prophet pbuh passed away? Kya matlab yaar

 

[Madplayer]

[MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION]

With the sad demise of Prophet Mohammad Pbuh did the revelations Cease ?

Any evidence from Holy Quran ?

Who would the revelations be made to after the Prophet? Explain a bit please?

 

[TahirFan]

A few years back we had a documentary on our local south African television titled "God, his angels and dead saints still communicating through us"

This documentaries showed various people being used as instruments to reveal God's messages and dead saints messages

I have you a youtube video Saint Germain delivering messages using Azena Ramanda's body.

Azena Ramanda is a simple housewife and their is no way she could be faking the revelations just as Muhammed was uneducated and could in no way have fabricated revelations

Is this real? You be the judge

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

So you're saying revelations were brought down even after the prophet pbuh passed away? Kya matlab yaar

Are you asking these questions under wishes or emotions ? Or you have some Quranic verse to back Seizure of Revelation ?

Who would the revelations be made to after the Prophet? Explain a bit please?

If GOD did Wahi on Honey Bee, Moses AS mother, companions of Jesus AS than is he incapable of doing it people whom he calls " Khairr e Ummat " in the Holy Quran ?


Is Revelation only of one type ? or of many types ?


Why would God stop communicating with his people ? Is he Naoozbillah moody ? Previously He used to talk to his beloved people and now he changed his mood ?



I asked enkidu_ because he is inspired by classical islamic scholar Imam Ghazali RT. So I await his response.

 

[Madplayer]

Are you asking these questions under wishes or emotions ? Or you have some Quranic verse to back Seizure of Revelation ?




If GOD did Wahi on Honey Bee, Moses AS mother, companions of Jesus AS than is he incapable of doing it people whom he calls " Khairr e Ummat " in the Holy Quran ?


Is Revelation only of one type ? or of many types ?


Why would God stop communicating with his people ? Is he Naoozbillah moody ? Previously He used to talk to his beloved people and now he changed his mood ?



I asked enkidu_ because he is inspired by classical islamic scholar Imam Ghazali RT. So I await his response.

Thank you for explaining. And adding to my little knowledge

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Thank you for explaining. And adding to my little knowledge

Giving you a Catch.


He Pbuh called Hazrat Ali RA as " Khaatam al Aoliya "


Since you are from Ahl e sunnat school of though probably so we do recognise many " Aoliya " (Wali) after Hazrat Ali RA. These include our Imam's aswell as our Maijaddid's Reformers.


So read what they claimed wrt themselves in context of Revelation/Wahi/Ilhaam and it's forms.


And what there view about it was.


Hoping enkidu_ will educate us from Quran aswell as writings of Imam Ghazali Rehmatullah Aleh.

 

[TahirFan]

A few years back we had a documentary on our local south African television titled "God, his angels and dead saints still communicating through us"

This documentaries showed various people being used as instruments to reveal God's messages and dead saints messages

I have you a youtube video Saint Germain delivering messages using Azena Ramanda's body.

Azena Ramanda is a simple housewife and their is no way she could be faking the revelations just as Muhammed was uneducated and could in no way have fabricated revelations

Is this real? You be the judge

Has anyone watched this video?

I would like your views on it

 

[Tusker]

I don't mean to offend anyone but ... do people in this day and age seriously believe that conversations between God and Humans is possible? Or that God sends messenger(s) to give guidance on how to live life so that you conform to his wishes which includes amongst other things whether you should grow a beard, when you need to marry , when it is ok to kill somebody etc etc etc ?