Washington Sundar versus Shadab Khan

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Spin bowling allrounders, Young 21-22 years old.
Shadab a bit ahead in terms of number of matches played and his importance for team. Sundar has just started out.
Who will be more successful in the long run.

 

[Ab Fan]

Both are terrific cricketers and will go down as part of modern era Indo-Pak XI in 2030.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Shadab Khan has already established himself in all the three formats whereas Washington Sundar got opportunities by luck and can be dropped anytime.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Sundar will find more consistency in his bowling in test matches in a few years to come, being a finger-spinner. Playing alongside Ashwin and Jadeja will allow him to learn skills and get mentorship from perhaps two of the greatest spinners in recent times.

Shadab has the role model of Yasir ahead of him, but his emphasis on batting as opposed to bowling will see him not be a viable long-term solution to Yasir's retirement. He is yet to play a match-winning knock of the quality that Sundar has played in AUS and IND.

In ODI cricket, Shadab has proven himself to be a decent player, and Sundar hasn't had many opportunities to do so. If Shadab is smart, he'll know that his goal should be the ODI format, because there is an all-rounder slot available. Sundar might get a few chances in the subcontinent if he can bat well, but I don't see Jadeja, Chahal, and Kuldeep being dropped for Sundar just now.

In T20s, Sundar is a pretty economical bowler as opposed to Shadab, who gives runs but takes wickets too. Shadab's T20I career is pretty good, but he should be playing the format as a bowler, not an all-rounder.

Both are young, and if they work on some aspects of their games, both can become very good cricketers.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Shadab has done nothing for ages

 

[street cricketer]

Washington will become a specialist batsman in the long run making this comparison pointless.

 

[AMSS]

Washington will become a specialist batsman in the long run making this comparison pointless.

Correct. The superficial similarity in their roles and skill sets won't last more than a couple of years.

 

[Mamoon]

No comparison. Shadab is an actor who pretends to be a good cricketer; Washington is a genuine talent who will have a great career for India.

Washington is far more talented, determined and intelligent.

 

[Ab Fan]

No comparison. Shadab is an actor who pretends to be a good cricketer; Washington is a genuine talent who will have a great career for India.

Washington is far more talented, determined and intelligent.

Shadab is Pakistan's version of Sir Ravindra Jadeja. An outstanding fielder!

 

[Mamoon]

Shadab is Pakistan's version of Sir Ravindra Jadeja. An outstanding fielder!

If that is the case then he is a pirated version. Shadab doesn’t have a quarter of the talent and skill that Jadeja possesses.

 

[Junaids]

Two magnificent and very similar young cricketers.

 

[Junaids]

Shadab has done nothing for ages

Really?

This is Shadab’s Test record excluding his debut Test match aged 18

Batting average of 40.42
Bowling average of 28.30

What more could you want?

 

[gani999]

Washington leads in test batting.
Shadab leads in test bowling.
Shadab leads in ODIs because Washington's ODI career hasn't started yet.

Pointless thread no infinity+1

 

[Last Monetarist]

This is actually not a bad comparison. The selection of Washington at Brisbane was totally in line with the old [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] principle that you select a spinner in Australia based on his batting. Any overs he bowls is just a bonus. His continued selection in Asia as the third spinner because of his batting only further justified that old theory.

Washington is ahead of Shadab as a pure batsman, but it can go either way as far as bowling is concerned. I foresee Shadab's leg-spin to become less effective as the years go by.

 

[rhony]

Washington looks a better batsman. His bowling was good in T20s but isn't that great anymore. If he wants to hold the spot in Indian team, he needs to improve his bowling a lot. Shadab is a gun player and is leadership material. He will get much better with time as leg spinners typically take time. His batting is a bit hit or miss and needs improvement. Shadab wins for now

 

[hitthestump]

Really?

This is Shadab’s Test record excluding his debut Test match aged 18

Batting average of 40.42
Bowling average of 28.30

What more could you want?

Well he isn't in the test team, so there must be a bit more to these stats than meets the eye.

 

[AMSS]

Selection of Washie in Brisbane was forced, rather than based on some well thought strategy. We may have won that test but Washie leaked runs at 4 in the second innings when India were desperate for some control from their spinner.

OTOH, a quality spinner like Ashwin/Jadeja were a proper wicket taking threat besides providing control from one end. At the end of the day, it's the specific team combination and balance that matters more than generic templates.

Given Washie's current skill as a spinner, there's no chance of him ever playing as a frontline spin option with Ashwin/Jadeja available.

As for the comparison, as these two players play more and more, people will notice Shadab being a lower order bat who consistently bowls his quota of overs. Washie would be a top order bat who chips in with bowling when the situation calls for it. Very different roles.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Selection of Washie in Brisbane was forced, rather than based on some well thought strategy. We may have won that test but Washie leaked runs at 4 in the second innings when India were desperate for some control from their spinner.

Wash was playing his first game ever in test cricket, he hardly even played any Ranji before that. He hasnt had time to develop is craft as far as bowling goes, give him a few years and he could turn into Jadeja's level. Everyone knows his batting talent and potential, so no arguments there.. Shadab, I didnt even know who he was till I started digging up on him, he seems better bowler, ofcourse he has more experience but not comparable as far as batting talent and potential to Wash..

 

[jnaveen1980]

They are dissimilar. Shadab is more a bowler than a batsman. Sundar surprisingly proved he is more a batsman than a bowler. His bowling is useful in the limited overs.

 

[guna]

Shadab is a senior player now. He has been playing since 2017. Washington Beauty is a noob.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Shadab can be a more dangerous LOI spinner while Sundar is more natural and fluent as a batter.

Shadab has a long future for Pakistan while Washy will find it tough to keep his place in the Indian team.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Shadab is the next Yasir for us. He has immense ability with the ball but needs experience to gain more control. I expect him to become our main spinner in ODIs and tests after 2023. His batting is highly underrated. Scores clutch runs. He will lead the team in the near future as well.

Sundar I feel is more of a batsman than a bowler. His bowling is not test class or even ODI standard and works just in T20s in power plays. But he adds great value for India in the lower middle order.

Overall, Shadab clearly has a greater ceiling and will enjoy a greater career than Sundar.

 

[Markhor]

In Tests the sample is too small for a comparison. However since 2018 Asia Cup, the great new hope Shadab averages 36 and 35 in ODIs and T20s vs non-minnows with the ball.

With the bat, he averages 25 at SR of 68 in ODIs and 14 at 124 in T20s, despite batting in the lower order !

He needs to play FC cricket and work on his core skills because he's literally a specialist fielder at this point.

They are dissimilar. Shadab is more a bowler than a batsman. Sundar surprisingly proved he is more a batsman than a bowler. His bowling is useful in the limited overs.

Shadab's classification conveniently changes depending on his form. If by some fluke his bowling form improves, he's more of a bowler.

If he notches up a couple of busy looking 20s and 30s, he's more of a batsman as per his fans.

 

[AMSS]

Shadab's classification conveniently changes depending on his form. If by some fluke his bowling form improves, he's more of a bowler.

If he notches up a couple of busy looking 20s and 30s, he's more of a batsman as per his fans.

) Allrounder fans of the allrounder player.

 

[street cricketer]

I have a feeling this will be one of those PP threads where years later, we have a look at the first page and share a chuckle.

 

[shamaan]

Shadab Khan has already established himself in all the three formats whereas Washington Sundar got opportunities by luck and can be dropped anytime.

Hes esthablished him in the shorter formats he is stil finding his feet in the longer format

 

[Suleiman]

I have a feeling this will be one of those PP threads where years later, we have a look at the first page and share a chuckle.

We can already share a chuckle because at the time of the opening of this thread Shadab has done absolutely nothing for quite a while.

Low hanging fruit really for some quick Shadab bashing.

If Shadab had been performing, I could understand this comparison but so far this comparison is only throwing mud at Washington’s reputation as an emerging player, as he’s being compared to someone who is currently bits and pieces at best.

 

[Hasan123]

Shadab has some ability but some people act as if he is a special talent. His bowling has not improved since he made his debut, his LO batting numbers are awful. Other than a few decent knocks in the PSL, I don’t see much improvement in his batting.

Saunder looks composed at the crease and has 2 good knocks under his belt. He looks like an intelligent bowler as well. He needs more first class experience to improve his bowling.

Saunder looks more impressive to me. Shadab wants to be a star and tries to act like one, but I don't see a star in him right now.

 

[Mamoon]

In Tests the sample is too small for a comparison. However since 2018 Asia Cup, the great new hope Shadab averages 36 and 35 in ODIs and T20s vs non-minnows with the ball.

With the bat, he averages 25 at SR of 68 in ODIs and 14 at 124 in T20s, despite batting in the lower order !

He needs to play FC cricket and work on his core skills because he's literally a specialist fielder at this point.



Shadab's classification conveniently changes depending on his form. If by some fluke his bowling form improves, he's more of a bowler.

If he notches up a couple of busy looking 20s and 30s, he's more of a batsman as per his fans.

The best minds in the world need to get together to finally solve this mystery after 4 long years. At this point, no one including Shadab himself has a clue if he is a batting all-rounder or a bowling all-rounder or simply an all-round failure.

 

[Mamoon]

This notion that Shadab is talented is a myth. He is one of the least talented cricketers you can find.

As a batsman his lack of ability is obvious. He is always late on the ball, his timing is poor and he has no power-game.

He is only good at getting a few singles and doubles and hitting the odd scratchy boundary against some weak bowlers. He is basically a glorified tail-ender.

His lack of talent with the ball is obvious as well. He doesn’t get enough turn and there is no zip. His stock leg-spinner is worse than Labuschagne’s and he has been impotent ever since his googly got worked out.

His only real talent is his acting skills and showboating in the field, and how he has somehow duped Islamabad United into appointing him as captain.

I wonder when his self-appointed Steve Smith drama will end.

 

[redmaverik84]

Very different cricketers. Washington is almost saint like at the crease in tests. He has that extra second to play his shot and makes it simple. Shadab is not as talented a batsman as him.

In Tests, Shadab has more potential being a wrist spinner who has variations and can turn the ball while Washington will just be a run control machine without taking too many wickets. Washi is yet to play ODIs and has been used as a bowler only in T20s.

Shadab will end up being a good all rounder with around 400-500 intl wickets and around 4000 runs while Washington will end up being a top class batsman who will probably score aroundn 10,000 intl runs and get about 200 wickets.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Surprised a bit by reactions on Shadab here. I feel he is a decent cricketer, with ability. He needs to given more chances in Test Matches, a longer run that is.
T20Is.. well It is not a bowlers game So I would not judge anyone on that.
All in all, both Sundar and Shadab are potential future stars. Lets see how it pans out for them.

 

[WengerOut]

I think this thread might go the Babar v Rahul route.

 

[JaDed]

I think this thread might go the Babar v Rahul route.

I’m hoping Pant’s generation (Washi, Gill etc) are better than Rahul’s generation of Indian cricketers.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Both are young allrounders..

Shadab is more experienced, CT winner, 100+ t20I wickets, captained Pakistan few times, important member of Pakistan team.

Washington is still trying to find permenant place in the team despite impressive performances. He was brilliant in Gabba test win, has great control in bowling, useful but underrated batting.

Who do you rate more and who will finish their career higher?

 

[FearlessRoar]

Both are young allrounders..

Shadab is more experienced, CT winner, 100+ t20I wickets, captained Pakistan few times, important member of Pakistan team.

Washington is still trying to find permenant place in the team despite impressive performances. He was brilliant in Gabba test win, has great control in bowling, useful but underrated batting.

Who do you rate more and who will finish their career higher?

Shadab is done and dusted

 

[ahmadharis1]

Give me Washington Sundar 10/10 times easy

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Give me Washington Sundar 10/10 times easy

But shadab has the edge over sundar with his batting and fielding