Wasim Akram unimpressed by Shoaib Malik

[MenInG]

Look at Shoaib Malik, he has really disappointed me, he goes to third man in the field and stands out there. His job as a senior player should be to talk to the bowlers, help his captain and I have not seen that happening at all. From the outside he has looked disinterested and not very keen for most of the series.

- See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...dropped-quot-Wasim-Akram#sthash.ETtQHfxx.dpuf

Those are pretty strong comments from Wasim about Shoaib!

Is he the only one with that view?

 

[aloo paratha]

Agree with Wasim here, this thread is gonna blow up with hate for Shobby in 5 minutes though..

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I'm not a huge Malik fan but this is unnecessary. He goes where the captain puts him and has fielded well in this series. I remember him taking a catch at mid on too. Wasim just wants to cry unnecessarily like he did for Yasirs inclusion after the 1st ODI and we saw what happened then

 

[Fahdi]

He fields where he is told to field. His performance with the bat is what I am unimpressed with.

 

[Slog]

Well if Maliks seen giving advice to the players and talking to bowlers people will complain that he is scheming and trying to undermine the captain. That's an old allegation against him. So now he keeps to himself and fields where he's asked to and ex players still have a problem?

 

[msb314]

Well if Maliks seen giving advice to the players and talking to bowlers people will complain that he is scheming and trying to undermine the captain. That's an old allegation against him. So now he keeps to himself and fields where he's asked to and ex players still have a problem?

Its the case of 'damned if you - damned if you don't'

Some people will always complain no matter what they do...

 

[LowKiiSavage]

I humbly dont agree with Wasim. Each of us on here has seen him go countless times to Amir to give him advice or to talk to him. My eyes have been witness to this. Wasim is wrong about this.

 

[FreakCricket]

malik has no place in the team!

 

[Hawkeye]

Malik will go & field where his captain/coach asks him to - AND, the captain/coach should ask him to STAY AT HOME.

He doesn't belong in intl cricket. Enough of this imposter cricketer destroying our team.

 

[Archer]

I humbly dont agree with Wasim. Each of us on here has seen him go countless times to Amir to give him advice or to talk to him. My eyes have been witness to this. Wasim is wrong about this.

True that. I have actually seen him stand at mid on and set field placements and help the bowler. It's just that his body language makes it look like he is disinterested in the game, Wasim might be pointing towards that

 

[super hitter]

Look at Shoaib Malik, he has really disappointed me, he goes to third man in the field and stands out there. His job as a senior player should be to talk to the bowlers, help his captain and I have not seen that happening at all. From the outside he has looked disinterested and not very keen for most of the series.

- See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...dropped-quot-Wasim-Akram#sthash.ETtQHfxx.dpuf

Those are pretty strong comments from Wasim about Shoaib!

Is he the only one with that view?

Lol, like if Wasim doesn't know that Malik is a specialist fielder at that position and despite being an aged senior, he is still made to stand their because he is a better runner then our so-called talented youngsters who doesn't even dare to care about there fitness...

Apart from this, I've always seen Malik talking to the bowlers in pressure situation...And its better for him to stay away from setting up the field etc.and you know why...

 

[Bade496]

LOL what is NEW here? Wasim Akram should rather be unimpressed or disappointed with PCB, Inzi & Co. for putting him in team & blocking one slot for a more deserving talent.

Mickey Arthur a no-nonsense guy who looks for performance from every guy, finds Shoaib Maliks usefulness only on fielding @ third man rofl. When Shoaib Malik did a pathetic job [as captain Karachi Kings] in PSL. Shhoaib Malik was pressured to be removed from captaincy and in last matches put on 3rd man as the board officials were keen to keep Malik in the team 'somehow'. His coup attempt with Kamran Akmal [@Inzi bhai home & presence] against Younis Khan in 2009 will make any captain wary of him.


Shoaib Malik [debut 2000/01] has more experience with Pak team than Younis Khan or Misbah ul Haq still look at his present condition. He is just going thru the motions and just wants to stay in the team with board members wanting to keep him there at any cost.

Even when Pakistan is down to rank 9 with uncertain future whether they'll have to play qualifier to play the World Cup which they won in 92, really shameful.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Well, he dont deserve to be in the team.

Field placing seems irrelevant, he will field where his captain asks him.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Obviously the solution to this is that Malik has to lock his wrist and flick the ball like this.

 

[yasir_shah_fan]

Malik will go & field where his captain/coach asks him to - AND, the captain/coach should ask him to STAY AT HOME.

He doesn't belong in intl cricket. Enough of this imposter cricketer destroying our team.

one of all the all time greats actually

 

[super hitter]

LOL what is NEW here? Wasim Akram should rather be unimpressed or disappointed with PCB, Inzi & Co. for putting him in team & blocking one slot for a more deserving talent.

Mickey Arthur a no-nonsense guy who looks for performance from every guy, finds Shoaib Maliks usefulness only on fielding @ third man rofl.1) When Shoaib Malik did a pathetic job [as captain Karachi Kings] in PSL. Shhoaib Malik was pressured to be removed from captaincy and in last matches put on 3rd man as the board officials were keen to keep Malik in the team 'somehow'. His coup attempt with Kamran Akmal [@Inzi bhai home & presence] against Younis Khan in 2009 will make any captain wary of him.

2)
Shoaib Malik [debut 2000/01] has more experience with Pak team than Younis Khan or Misbah ul Haq still look at his present condition. He is just going thru the motions and just wants to stay in the team with board members wanting to keep him there at any cost.

Even when Pakistan is down to rank 9 with uncertain future whether they'll have to play qualifier to play the World Cup which they won in 92, really shameful.

1) Give me an authentic source for your false sayings.
2)Was Malik part of the team after 2009?

Your post is nothing more then a mess...I could say so much more bro but don't have the time.

 

[Slog]

Obviously the solution to this is that Malik has to lock his wrist and flick the ball like this.

Lmaoooo.

That was hilarious have to give you that

 

[MMHS]

As usual, PAK X cricketers are shooting at one direction & the goal post is in other corner.

Wasim can question Malik's inclusion in the team, but this is uncalled for. First, he'll field where his Captains ask him - it's not feasible that he'll run from 3rd man or long on to share his thoughts. Besides, Malik (no senior) will go to suggest the Captain or his bowlers, unless he is encouraged. What I have seen is totally opposite - in the T20, Sarfu put him in covers/mid-on & encouraged him to talk with bowlers; whereas I saw Azhar putting him most of the time on line & hardly encouraging any conversation.

It's not like Azhar doesn't like him, or he is avoiding seniors from insecurity, but he is an introvert personality, probably doesn't like to talk or interact too much. It's not his fault, neither weakness - Imran was also quite reserved, but the problem is, in Javed, Imran had one very good head to support him (he himself was no mug either); Azhar himself is not up to the mark, neither Wahab or Malik are Sarfraz/Wasim or Javed. Besides, he is struggling to justify his spot in the team, which must have made him extremely defensive, when it comes to bring other heads in his support.

 

[Hawkeye]

Obviously the solution to this is that Malik has to lock his wrist and flick the ball like this.

That's a good one, destroyer!

Gotta give credit where due. Malik needs to run in hard as well, to be in the good books of Waz.

 

[Bewal Express]

Don't see the value in keeping him in the team. The guy is around 40, and looks scared of fast bowlers and fails in 4 put 5 games.

 

[Zaz]

In a perfect world wasim would have a point but not in this current scenario where years of captaincy turmoil involving malik, suggestions of scheming and underperforming have made his role as a guide and mentor of others on the field impossible

I guess now malik puts his head down and concentrates on his cricket and where necessary adds in his few pennies worth when appropriate rather than even giving the slightest suggestion that hes undermining the captain or is after the captaincy

 

[Bade496]

1) Give me an authentic source for your false sayings.
2)Was Malik part of the team after 2009?

Your post is nothing more then a mess...I could say so much more bro but don't have the time.

If it is false prove otherwise, excuses can't save Malik or Akmal for whta they've been doing
Pakistan team's own situation rite now and Shoab Malik, Akmal still part of the team proves many things which I can go in detail pretty well.
It won't be messy to revisit an old article after the Younis khan resignation in 2009 and where we are standing now.
Younis khan who happens to be the best and only captain under which Pakistan won 2009 WT20 a tournament in many years, was pushed into resignation. Its still incredible that Pakistan team is now even lower than top 8 teams and Akmal, Malik are still in the team with Inzamam as chief selector at whose home the coup was planned.

Younis refused to go into further detail over which players had revolted but it is believed the group is led by Shoaib Malik and includes other seniors such as Shahid Afridi and Kamran Akmal. Sources close to Younis say that he was particularly disappointed in the manner in which some players were dismissed in the last ODI against New Zealand.

Though Pakistan ultimately lost by seven runs, their batting had collapsed to 101 for 9 - effectively losing those nine wickets for 54 runs - until a miraculous last-wicket stand took them nearly all the way. But the way established batsmen were dismissed - in a rash of pull shots - on a placid pitch has led Younis to conclude that it was done to undermine him.

"He was really unhappy with the shots some of the batsmen played and he feels as if they did it deliberately to undermine him," one source told Cricinfo. "He just feels as if he is knocking his head against a brick wall, telling batsmen, senior guys, how to play and them just not listening. He is tired of the constant fighting within the team, especially when it is not clear what they are all fighting or upset about. Nobody has gone to him directly to say anything and that has upset him the most. It isn't so much the pressure of his own failures that has brought him down as this."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/434064.html

 

[Syed1]

Obviously the solution to this is that Malik has to lock his wrist and flick the ball like this.

I'll give you this one, it was hilarious )

 

[pakpukhtun]

I would take afridi over this hack all day. English gets you far in pak even in sports sadly

 

[Obstructing_the_field]

not right... i think malik is trying to stay away from conspiracy and try to be a good boy... he was a snake back in the days and now he knows he needs to fight hard to keep his place... i think he was being tortured for being too involved and not being kicked for not being involved.. leave him be and let him play his role..

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

Lol, like if Wasim doesn't know that Malik is a specialist fielder at that position and despite being an aged senior, he is still made to stand their because he is a better runner then our so-called talented youngsters who doesn't even dare to care about there fitness...

Apart from this, I've always seen Malik talking to the bowlers in pressure situation...And its better for him to stay away from setting up the field etc.and you know why...

What they don't know is he stands there to roughen up the ball a bit, he is experienced enough to do that, and that's what he's been doing there his each and every throw is hitting the edges of the pitch,

 

[Abdullah]

He was better In the t20 than the odis

 

[Bade496]

not right... i think malik is trying to stay away from conspiracy and try to be a good boy... he was a snake back in the days and now he knows he needs to fight hard to keep his place... i think he was being tortured for being too involved and not being kicked for not being involved.. leave him be and let him play his role..

How is he fighting hard? Without playing any domestic incl. National T20 going on currently he is selected in the 15 player Pak squad with a 13 or around average in last tour v England. He or Akmal don't get to face new ball they are batted on lower than one down position.

I've been watching shoaib malik for the last 17 years the guy is seniormost, has never performed against the top 4 non-asian teams. When South Africa toured Pak in 2004/5 the way Proteas played him around i remember one journo said Malik should'nt have been picked agaiin the guy won't play for a long time given his pathetic batting performances, and yet here we are in 2016 and Malik still continues will a pretty thrid class average for a player with 17+ years experience. Shoaib Malik was the main beneficiary of the top 8 players removed form 2003 WC, and continues to benefit when the board selects him out of lack of toption not because he deserves to be there.

Your argument that he is clean now is pretty doubtful as Shoaib Malik would'nt have a lengthy career on his performances if not for playing politics and making alliances with fellow players to prolong his stint.

Speaking of fielding on 3rd man Shoaib Malik 'the don' was doing it on PSL playoff Islamabad Utd. v Karachi Kings, & then lost captaincy to Bopara. Would like to revisit the famous Bopara press conf. earlier this year after Karachi Kings had lost many games how he criticised Malik for his pathetic captaincy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CorXdBHMCfQ

 

[Bade496]

The damage shoaib Malik has been doing with many players from different times is well known. I decided to revisit a recent victim of Shoaib Malik, Fawad Alam.
How Fawad Alam was removed from the squad to make way for Shoaib Malik back in the side. Article from Dawn dated 2014

'Grand plan to get Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal in World Cup squad'

The omission of Fawad Alam from Pakistan's ODI squad for the ongoing series against New Zealand may have come as a shock to many, but according to a highly placed Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) official, it was part of a larger plan to get Shoaib Malik and Kamran Akmal back in the team for the World Cup.

The PCB official, who requested anonymity, revealed to Dawn.com that the team management, two individuals in particular, were pushing for the selection of Malik and Kamran despite the players being out-of-favour with the selectors for a while now.

Both players have been included in Pakistan's 30-man preliminary squad for the World Cup.

"I am deeply frustrated at the way personal preference is being given priority over merit. It was quite evident with the way Fawad Alam was dealt with. What is the point of sending your in-form player [Fawad] on an 'A' tour when an ODI series is taking place?"

It must be mentioned here that the left-handed middle-order batsman has been one of the leading scorers in the ongoing first-class championship, while also performing consistently on the international stage since his comeback earlier this year. With a Test average of 41.66, 45.14 in ODIs and 56.73 in first-class, Alam has mostly got the short end of the stick during his career.

But according to the PCB official, more than how Alam was dealt with, it was baffling how 'eagerly' the team management was backing two players who have not played ODIs for over a year.

"Malik and Kamran have not played for a while now. In fact, with Sarfraz's recent performances there is no room for another keeper. But they want Kamran as a third opener in the World Cup squad. Malik and Kamran shockingly made it to the 30-man squad, don't be surprised if they end up flying to Australia and New Zealand," the official said.

With Mohammad Hafeez now barred from bowling by the International Cricket Council for an illegal action, the all-rounder Malik's case may be strengthened. But there would be no logical premise to include wicket-keeper/batsman Kamran as his younger brother Umar is in the squad and quite a decent makeshift gloveman himself.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1149361

 

[TalhaSyed]

If he tries to be a leader on the field, he's accused by some of conspiring against and undermining the captain and looking to form groups in the team.

When he's just shutting up, keeping his head down and looking to let his cricket do the talking, others accuse him of being someone who's not behaving like a senior player.

He just cant win.

 

[shaz619]

If he tries to be a leader on the field, he's accused by some of conspiring against and undermining the captain and looking to form groups in the team.

When he's just shutting up, keeping his head down and looking to let his cricket do the talking, others accuse him of being someone who's not behaving like a senior player.

He just cant win.

Good, he deserves it. He only got himself to blame for that.

 

[Barragan]

If he tries to be a leader on the field, he's accused by some of conspiring against and undermining the captain and looking to form groups in the team.

When he's just shutting up, keeping his head down and looking to let his cricket do the talking, others accuse him of being someone who's not behaving like a senior player.

He just cant win.

Excellent point made, don't know what they want from him.

 

[MenInG]

If he tries to be a leader on the field, he's accused by some of conspiring against and undermining the captain and looking to form groups in the team.

When he's just shutting up, keeping his head down and looking to let his cricket do the talking, others accuse him of being someone who's not behaving like a senior player.

He just cant win.

I can also play and shut up and stand in a corner. There is no involvement in the game which is what Wasim was alluding to

 

[ExplicitAI]

Malik is a deserving member of the ODI and T20 team and he's here to stay. The thing with him looking uninterested is mainly due to Azhar's meek captaincy, if you have a weak leader then what are you supposed to do? You see bowlers like Wahab looking ordinary and getting carted everywhere, Azhar is the type of captain who waits for stuff to happen rather than making them happen. I saw a different Shoaib Malik under Sarfraz in that T20 game, that was where everyone played with high intensity. This ODI team has no intensity when playing.

 

[Finer]

I can understand where Wasim Akram is coming. After all, he is the one who picked Shoaib Malik to bring to the International career and big fan of him. That's why he feels Malik has a lot more to offer than he does. That being said, it is disrespect to the captain by disobeying the order because if he is asked to play and shut and stand in a corner, that is called involvement in supporting the captain's call. Last thing we need is someone who question the calls of captain in front of his team. On field out, the captain should get unconditional support. Given the history, it is big deal for Malik to shut up and stand in a corner as the sign of respect for his captain who is junior cricketer.

 

[TalhaSyed]

I can also play and shut up and stand in a corner. There is no involvement in the game which is what Wasim was alluding to

That's the thing bro - you and I can't just play international cricket for Pakistan, shut up and stand in the corner. That's what Malik is being asked to do, so he's just doing it & getting on with it - and to be fair to him he has been doing it very well recently.

With all due respect to Wasim, Malik's involvement should be measured by his performance/effort with the bat, ball and in the field IMO.

We have no idea what Malik is like in the changing room & how he treats the younger players - but on the field he's not the captain so he shouldn't be pushing Azhar/Sarfraz to do what he wants. If Azhar/Sarfraz want him to field at third man that's what he should do & if they ask for his opinion then he should offer his advise.

As a fielder - he's one of - if not the best we have, and more often than not he's doing all the things you wanna see your fielders do (e.g. Attacking the ball in the field, putting in dives, catching most chances that come his way,getting around quickly between overs, heck even physically lifting and carrying his team mates off the park when they get injured) - whether that is at third man or wherever else he is positioned in the field. He's also been more than decent with the bat and ball in the limited over format since his return.

Now turning around and saying he seems disinterested because he's simply shutting up and doing what the captains tell him to do (e.g. field at third man) and isn't trying to tell the captains what to do is a bit harsh in my opinion.

 

[Bade496]

If he tries to be a leader on the field, he's accused by some of conspiring against and undermining the captain and looking to form groups in the team.

When he's just shutting up, keeping his head down and looking to let his cricket do the talking, others accuse him of being someone who's not behaving like a senior player.

He just cant win.

ROFL his cricket does the talking all right with average of 11 against England in a recent tour. Mr. malik has eaten more careers of pakistani cricketers than made runs for Pakistan. After 17 years in international cricket the guy is fielding on 3rd man without contributing much with the bat speaks about why the guy is in the side in the first place. And don't think so that Malik with Akmal, Amir in the side and Inzi bhai [selection commtte.] has shut up he is waiting for the right time to BITE.

 

[MenInG]

That's the thing bro - you and I can't just play international cricket for Pakistan, shut up and stand in the corner. That's what Malik is being asked to do, so he's just doing it & getting on with it - and to be fair to him he has been doing it very well recently.

With all due respect to Wasim, Malik's involvement should be measured by his performance/effort with the bat, ball and in the field IMO.

We have no idea what Malik is like in the changing room & how he treats the younger players - but on the field he's not the captain so he shouldn't be pushing Azhar/Sarfraz to do what he wants. If Azhar/Sarfraz want him to field at third man that's what he should do & if they ask for his opinion then he should offer his advise.

As a fielder - he's one of - if not the best we have, and more often than not he's doing all the things you wanna see your fielders do (e.g. Attacking the ball in the field, putting in dives, catching most chances that come his way,getting around quickly between overs, heck even physically lifting and carrying his team mates off the park when they get injured) - whether that is at third man or wherever else he is positioned in the field. He's also been more than decent with the bat and ball in the limited over format since his return.

Now turning around and saying he seems disinterested because he's simply shutting up and doing what the captains tell him to do (e.g. field at third man) and isn't trying to tell the captains what to do is a bit harsh in my opinion.

Na Talha - Malik is not been asked to shut up - if he has been, then its a travesty and whoever did that should be given 10 lashes!

 

[Bade496]

That's the thing bro - you and I can't just play international cricket for Pakistan, shut up and stand in the corner. That's what Malik is being asked to do , so he's just doing it & getting on with it - and to be fair to him he has been doing it very well recently.

With all due respect to Wasim, Malik's involvement should be measured by his performance/effort with the bat, ball and in the field IMO.

We have no idea what Malik is like in the changing room & how he treats the younger players - but on the field he's not the captain so he shouldn't be pushing Azhar/Sarfraz to do what he wants. If Azhar/Sarfraz want him to field at third man that's what he should do & if they ask for his opinion then he should offer his advise.

As a fielder - he's one of - if not the best we have, and more often than not he's doing all the things you wanna see your fielders do (e.g. Attacking the ball in the field, putting in dives, catching most chances that come his way,getting around quickly between overs, heck even physically lifting and carrying his team mates off the park when they get injured) - whether that is at third man or wherever else he is positioned in the field. He's also been more than decent with the bat and ball in the limited over format since his return.

Now turning around and saying he seems disinterested because he's simply shutting up and doing what the captains tell him to do (e.g. field at third man) and isn't trying to tell the captains what to do is a bit harsh in my opinion.

LOL completely disagree, don't think so a foreign coach just reinstated in the side or a recently stated new captain Azhar/sarfaraz can 'restrain' a senior player [former captain] from talking to them or others. If they had the clout then they would'nt have let Malik in the side. wasim Akram has a different take of senior trying to support the youngsters which i feel can be done by doing the job whatever is assigned to them like batting the team out of trouble which is too much to expect from Malik.
I thought you were talking about some other player not Shoaib Malik lol. What Mr. Malik has been doing pretty well in terms of performances? The captain can't give him the bowl for more than 3 overs in ODIs, his batting at his position #4 to 6# sucks, and he is an average fielder who dropped catch in the match where England made world record 444. The way you are justifying Mr. Malik is actually hilarious.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Na Talha - Malik is not been asked to shut up - if he has been, then its a travesty and whoever did that should be given 10 lashes!

I agree - it would be great to have Malik's experience contribute to the team.

But what can he do when on one hand people accuse him of not getting involved in the game and on the other hand you have senseless, narrow minded people like this waiting to lash out at him regarding his performance and his character.....

ROFL his cricket does the talking all right with average of 11 against England in a recent tour. Mr. malik has eaten more careers of pakistani cricketers than made runs for Pakistan. After 17 years in international cricket the guy is fielding on 3rd man without contributing much with the bat speaks about why the guy is in the side in the first place. And don't think so that Malik with Akmal, Amir in the side and Inzi bhai [selection commtte.] has shut up he is waiting for the right time to BITE.

Please remember - the above post is accusing a player who has averaged 60 with the bat since the start of last year and is currently being blamed for not speaking up enough in team matters of not performing well and conspiring within team. [MENTION=142139]Bade496[/MENTION] - please care to tell me who asked Malik to field at 3rd man? Did he just decided to wander down there him self and set up camp? Also - what match was he even asked to field at 3rd man?


MenInG Bhai jab 'fans' hee aisai hon to players ka kiya kasoor?!?

 

[Belawal2014]

Obviously the solution to this is that Malik has to lock his wrist and flick the ball like this.

) BWAHAHAHA

He also has to run in hard with full passion and aggression. and give his 100%

 

[Finer]

Na Talha - Malik is not been asked to shut up - if he has been, then its a travesty and whoever did that should be given 10 lashes!

He has been asked to shut up, so that's why he has shut up. Otherwise, there would have been complaint about him allegedly undermining the authority of the captain. In T20 match, he was allowed to offer his input by T20 captain, so he was able to offer his inputs for the game. It is totally captain call.

 

[Bade496]

I agree - it would be great to have Malik's experience contribute to the team.

But what can he do when on one hand people accuse him of not getting involved in the game and on the other hand you have senseless, narrow minded people like this waiting to lash out at him regarding his performance and his character.....



Please remember - the above post is accusing a player who has averaged 60 with the bat since the start of last year and is currently being blamed for not speaking up enough in team matters of not performing well and conspiring within team. [MENTION=142139]Bade496[/MENTION] - please care to tell me who asked Malik to field at 3rd man? Did he just decided to wander down there him self and set up camp? Also - what match was he even asked to field at 3rd man?


MenInG Bhai jab 'fans' hee aisai hon to players ka kiya kasoor?!?

Hehehe aap jaise fan hum hain nahin. LOL His average is 29.33 against England, Ireland and New Zealand. And these averages are 1 in 3 performances the rest being duds and leaving Pakistan side in major trouble.If you are using the Zimbabwe excuse then Imad Wasim and Aamir Yamin also have pretty good averages in Zimbabwe one was dropped from the side imad is batting at #7 with performance. Likes of Bilal Asif, Aamer Yamin have been denied the selection despite their performances against Zimbabwe so this is again proves bias by the board.
Well Pakistan won the match where he stood at 3rd man, as Mr. Malik did in the playoffs in PSL aftter losing captaincy to Bopara. Respect is'nt demanded its commanded. Can't perform with bowl or bat but is being pushed into the side Mickey Arthur does'nt have much of a choice. Inzimam is playing sick game with Arthur when he sent half fit Irfan as an alternative who bowled 5 overs and then went out of the field which Pakistan lost due to unavailability of the bowler. Not much difference between Irfan and a zero Shoaib Malik.

 

[Uzi]

I have been unimpressed with Malik since he started playing international cricket. Mediocre player who should be nowhere near the team.

 

[Square Drive]

Unnecessary criticism.

Malik will stand where he's asked to stand.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Hehehe aap jaise fan hum hain nahin. LOL His average is 29.33 against England, Ireland and New Zealand. And these averages are 1 in 3 performances the rest being duds and leaving Pakistan side in major trouble.If you are using the Zimbabwe excuse then Imad Wasim and Aamir Yamin also have pretty good averages in Zimbabwe one was dropped from the side imad is batting at #7 with performance. Likes of Bilal Asif, Aamer Yamin have been denied the selection despite their performances against Zimbabwe so this is again proves bias by the board.
Well Pakistan won the match where he stood at 3rd man, as Mr. Malik did in the playoffs in PSL aftter losing captaincy to Bopara. Respect is'nt demanded its commanded. Can't perform with bowl or bat but is being pushed into the side Mickey Arthur does'nt have much of a choice. Inzimam is playing sick game with Arthur when he sent half fit Irfan as an alternative who bowled 5 overs and then went out of the field which Pakistan lost due to unavailability of the bowler. Not much difference between Irfan and a zero Shoaib Malik.

So we should criticise the likes of Imad and Malik because they have the highest average in the side in recent times by scoring runs in selective games whilst the rest of the batting line up - who haven't event been able to score in selective games - are good to go? Great logic there buddy.

Hmm ok so now you start talking about Bopara, PSL blah blah blah etc. Didn't answer my question - who asked him to field at 3rd man?

Listen mate - youre senselessly bashing malik without any solid basis to stand on. The guys averaged 60 in the last year and a half and is performing well - yet you are too busy digging up stats from the last 15 years time, average against New Zealand, England etc. Bottom line is - in the last year and a half he's been out most consistent performer in limited over cricket with the bat in the last year and a half and no matter how much you "LOL" or "heheheh" - that won't change the facts.

 

[hk031992]

So we should criticise the likes of Imad and Malik because they have the highest average in the side in recent times by scoring runs in selective games whilst the rest of the batting line up - who haven't event been able to score in selective games - are good to go? Great logic there buddy.

Hmm ok so now you start talking about Bopara, PSL blah blah blah etc. Didn't answer my question - who asked him to field at 3rd man?

Listen mate - youre senselessly bashing malik without any solid basis to stand on. The guys averaged 60 in the last year and a half and is performing well - yet you are too busy digging up stats from the last 15 years time, average against New Zealand, England etc. Bottom line is - in the last year and a half he's been out most consistent performer in limited over cricket with the bat in the last year and a half and no matter how much you "LOL" or "heheheh" - that won't change the facts.

I am sorry but this is why statistics can be deceiving. Malik repeatedly fails vs good attacks. Who cares that he can bash the weaker line ups? He failed in 4 out of 5 innings in the England tour. He simply is not good enough at this level.

 

[Bade496]

So we should criticise the likes of Imad and Malik because they have the highest average in the side in recent times by scoring runs in selective games whilst the rest of the batting line up - who haven't event been able to score in selective games - are good to go? Great logic there buddy.

Hmm ok so now you start talking about Bopara, PSL blah blah blah etc. Didn't answer my question - who asked him to field at 3rd man?

Listen mate - youre senselessly bashing malik without any solid basis to stand on. The guys averaged 60 in the last year and a half and is performing well - yet you are too busy digging up stats from the last 15 years time, average against New Zealand, England etc. Bottom line is - in the last year and a half he's been out most consistent performer in limited over cricket with the bat in the last year and a half and no matter how much you "LOL" or "heheheh" - that won't change the facts.

Hehehe can't match with this repetitive untruths. Don't think who should even stand on 3rd man for Pakistan byt whoever did that accomodated the passenger to let the team win which Pakistan did. LOL u did'nt get my point on Yamin and Imad but your response pretty much sums you statistically failed to justify Shoaib Malik presence in the team.

 

[shaz619]

So we should criticise the likes of Imad and Malik because they have the highest average in the side in recent times by scoring runs in selective games whilst the rest of the batting line up - who haven't event been able to score in selective games - are good to go? Great logic there buddy.

Hmm ok so now you start talking about Bopara, PSL blah blah blah etc. Didn't answer my question - who asked him to field at 3rd man?

Listen mate - youre senselessly bashing malik without any solid basis to stand on. The guys averaged 60 in the last year and a half and is performing well - yet you are too busy digging up stats from the last 15 years time, average against New Zealand, England etc. Bottom line is - in the last year and a half he's been out most consistent performer in limited over cricket with the bat in the last year and a half and no matter how much you "LOL" or "heheheh" - that won't change the facts.

I don't know if its senseless bashing. Malik may have performed well this year but why should he get a longer rope when it comes to his failures? The guy has played over 200 games and like Mickey said, such players ought to be performing consistently. He failed in England in the past and has failed again, we got the champions trophy next year in England and a WC there to in 2019 to prepare for so if it does what it says on the tin "can't perform in England" why shouldn't it be binned? Perhaps it would be better if a talent for the future is groomed, if a new team member of pak was performing well but then failed in England sure we give him a longer rope because he's an investment for the future, but Malik is an "experienced" international.

 

[Rayyman]

I am 100% sure I saw him speaking with the bowlers in the T20I.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Hehehe can't match with this repetitive untruths. Don't think who should even stand on 3rd man for Pakistan byt whoever did that accomodated the passenger to let the team win which Pakistan did. LOL u did'nt get my point on Yamin and Imad but your response pretty much sums you statistically failed to justify Shoaib Malik presence in the team.

Hmm ok - so you 'LOL' and giggle away man - still not answered the question & just pulling out baseless accusations on your 'hehehe' opinion.

I am sorry but this is why statistics can be deceiving. Malik repeatedly fails vs good attacks. Who cares that he can bash the weaker line ups? He failed in 4 out of 5 innings in the England tour. He simply is not good enough at this level.

And what about the other batsmen in the team who have not even been able to boost their average against the weaker teams or the stronger teams? All the batsmen have played against the same bowling attacks.

 

[TalhaSyed]

I don't know if its senseless bashing. Malik may have performed well this year but why should he get a longer rope when it comes to his failures? The guy has played over 200 games and like Mickey said, such players ought to be performing consistently. He failed in England in the past and has failed again, we got the champions trophy next year in England and a WC there to in 2019 to prepare for so if it does what it says on the tin "can't perform in England" why shouldn't it be binned? Perhaps it would be better if a talent for the future is groomed, if a new team member of pak was performing well but then failed in England sure we give him a longer rope because he's an investment for the future, but Malik is an "experienced" international.

See to be honest - if your gonna drop Malik then which batsmen has actually earned his spot in this ODI team in recent times, specially following on from the recent ODI series VS England.

On top of that - if he's gonna be dropped for his performance - this fine. But if he's gonna get dropped because he's just shutting up and getting on with doing what the captain is telling him to do (e.g. Fielding at 3rd man) and doing it well (e.g attacking the ball, not dropping catches, putting in dives etc.) that's senseless IMO man.

 

[super hitter]

The damage shoaib Malik has been doing with many players from different times is well known. I decided to revisit a recent victim of Shoaib Malik, Fawad Alam.
How Fawad Alam was removed from the squad to make way for Shoaib Malik back in the side. Article from Dawn dated 2014

like seriously bro, what is the need of posting this when you know that this article went on to be an utter failure and was so much discussed here on PP.

When Malik was retiring from tests; he concluded some names who could replace him in the side where he took fawad Alam's and Sohaib Maqsood's name too...then why this hate for him?

Don't know why people are so concerned about him when their are so many more flaws to discuss in our side?

Secondly, he did not loose captaincy; he resigned! (karachi kings)

Shoaib Malik has been victim of many attacks after the loss of the great coach 'Bob Woolmer', and not to forget, He was Woolmer's best player since he utilized his skills in the best way possible.

Pakistani people just can't accept a loss and therefore blame some of the players for grouping, whilst the funny part is;

'Ahmed Shahzad is involved in grouping against Afridi' (lol is all I could say)
'Malik is involved in grouping against Afridi' (Malik, even when asked on twitter by his fans says lalaa is his closest friend in the side).

If Shoaib Malik has had any enemy in the side, then it was Misbah and since you've been watching cricket for the past 17 years, then this should not be questioned.

Their is a little bit of problem when it comes to conversation about Shoaib Malik;

When he is not given to bowl enough overs, people say...'Malik is not bowling enough overs; feared of getting banned'

When he plays an under pressure knock in a loosing game and wins it, they say...'He is a good minnow basher'

then why others can't bat against those minnow teams? Isn't it a justification to his superiority over his team mates? and if so, then why always bash him?

 

[shaz619]

See to be honest - if your gonna drop Malik then which batsmen has actually earned his spot in this ODI team in recent times, specially following on from the recent ODI series VS England.

On top of that - if he's gonna be dropped for his performance - this fine. But if he's gonna get dropped because he's just shutting up and getting on with doing what the captain is telling him to do (e.g. Fielding at 3rd man) and doing it well (e.g attacking the ball, not dropping catches, putting in dives etc.) that's senseless IMO man.

It's not about who has earned or not my point is this guy should be coming to the party more often then not or it could be a better plan to groom a youngster and invest in him for the future, given them a longer rope/leeway because that's what you can do when you're looking ahead, we did the same with shafiq/azhar and the results are there in Test Cricket but we've not done that in the limited over games because the same old TTF's are recycled. I like Malik, was a fan of his back in the day and I still like the dude now but we've seen what he has to offer and Pakistan Cricket comes first imo.

Yeah I agree with you there, it's uncalled for criticising him for basically doing nothing )

Eid Mubarak! #RiseABOVEtheHATE #POP

 

[Hamza_]

I'm a Malik fan but unfortunately time is up for him.

 

[hk031992]

Hmm ok - so you 'LOL' and giggle away man - still not answered the question & just pulling out baseless accusations on your 'hehehe' opinion.



And what about the other batsmen in the team who have not even been able to boost their average against the weaker teams or the stronger teams? All the batsmen have played against the same bowling attacks.

maybe it because the other players were coming up the order and were moe concerned about scoring runs rather than staying not out and boosting their averages. I will gladly take players who score against good bowling lineups and fail vs mediocre line ups as opposed to Malik.

 

[TalhaSyed]

It's not about who has earned or not my point is this guy should be coming to the party more often then not or it could be a better plan to groom a youngster and invest in him for the future, given them a longer rope/leeway because that's what you can do when you're looking ahead, we did the same with shafiq/azhar and the results are there in Test Cricket but we've not done that in the limited over games because the same old TTF's are recycled. I like Malik, was a fan of his back in the day and I still like the dude now but we've seen what he has to offer and Pakistan Cricket comes first imo.

Yeah I agree with you there, it's uncalled for criticising him for basically doing nothing )

Eid Mubarak! #RiseABOVEtheHATE #POP

Yea that's fair enough - I agree that you have to plan for the future and what not and that's a whole different story with various points that can be debated. When you go into that debate there's not many in the current side who warrant a place in the team and opens up a whole can of worms

But yea - my point is you can't sack the guy for simply doing what he's told by the captain

Eid Mubarak to you too man!! Hope you had/have a good one

 

[TalhaSyed]

maybe it because the other players were coming up the order and were moe concerned about scoring runs rather than staying not out and boosting their averages. I will gladly take players who score against good bowling lineups and fail vs mediocre line ups as opposed to Malik.

At the moment unfortunately majority our limited over batsmen are struggling to score runs against good or mediocre line ups....

 

[the Great Khan]

not a surprise. SInce he lost the cuptaany he has always been like this..the droopy shoulders and uninspiring body language is par of the course with him. He offers us nothing and should have been jettisoned years ago.

 

[Sherlock]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed his disinterested persona during the LOIs. He should've been helping Azhar with the field settings and the bowlers.

Instead he looked as if he was picked on the basis of staying mute for the entirety of the tour

 

[the Great Khan]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed his disinterested persona during the LOIs. He should've been helping Azhar with the field settings and the bowlers.

Instead he looked as if he was picked on the basis of staying mute for the entirety of the tour

he was being "professionaal" ...absolute bakwaas player. Our team will actually begin to move ahead once he is gone.

 

[yasir]

I never understood why there are so many Malik's fan, he was/is so average player that only thing one should noticed about him is that how he is in the team, but what you can expect from a country where Shahid Afridi was super star and lasted 20 years.... When standards are so low, no wonder team is ranked 9th [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]


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[shaz619]

Yea that's fair enough - I agree that you have to plan for the future and what not and that's a whole different story with various points that can be debated. When you go into that debate there's not many in the current side who warrant a place in the team and opens up a whole can of worms

But yea - my point is you can't sack the guy for simply doing what he's told by the captain

Eid Mubarak to you too man!! Hope you had/have a good one

Which other TTF is there in the team besides Malik whom doesn't warrant a place in your opinion?

Yeah that's non-nonsensical, have no idea what Wasim was thinking saying that

 

[hk031992]

At the moment unfortunately majority our limited over batsmen are struggling to score runs against good or mediocre line ups....

sorry mate but you are defending him just because you like him as a player. Our team cannot afford more than one or two accumlators. Who are you going to pick between Sarfraz and Malik? Are you seriously going to claim that Malik has been out performing Sarfraz who has scored multiple good innings vs good teams? Look at the difference in quality between those two. Plus, Sarfraz has a secondary skill as a keeper which is far more useful than Malik's part time bowling.

Only one or Sarfraz and Malik can stay in the team. Malik may average more in the last year but there is no comparison, Sarfraz is a thousand times better when it matters. We have three accumulators in the team. Azhar does not warrant a place either due to his slow play but he is a captain right now, and unless they are willing to hand the captaincy to Sarfraz, he will stay.

Azhar, Sarfraz and Malik cannot all be in one team. Period.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Which other TTF is there in the team besides Malik whom doesn't warrant a place in your opinion?

Yeah that's non-nonsensical, have no idea what Wasim was thinking saying that

Nah I get that point. As an experienced player Malik should deliver more often that he currently does - that's fair enough.

However, what Im saying is that firstly and most importantly - (I think we both agree on this) you cannot bash the guy for doing nothing.

Secondly (and perhaps we disagree on this one) - it's kind of tricky to drop a guy whos averaged 60 in the last year and a half in ODI's - specially when your ODI team and batsmen are struggling so badly and the batsmen in particular are struggling to get runs on the board.

 

[TalhaSyed]

sorry mate but you are defending him just because you like him as a player. Our team cannot afford more than one or two accumlators. Who are you going to pick between Sarfraz and Malik? Are you seriously going to claim that Malik has been out performing Sarfraz who has scored multiple good innings vs good teams? Look at the difference in quality between those two. Plus, Sarfraz has a secondary skill as a keeper which is far more useful than Malik's part time bowling.

Only one or Sarfraz and Malik can stay in the team. Malik may average more in the last year but there is no comparison, Sarfraz is a thousand times better when it matters. We have three accumulators in the team. Azhar does not warrant a place either due to his slow play but he is a captain right now, and unless they are willing to hand the captaincy to Sarfraz, he will stay.

Azhar, Sarfraz and Malik cannot all be in one team. Period.

A few things:

1) I am by no means a Malik fan. Please show me any posts where I suggest I am. Just making baseless accusations. However, even if I was, if I am not meant to judge him on him as a player what am I meant to judge him on?

2) I pick Sarfraz - when did I pick Malik over Sarfraz? Again baseless accusation. I see a number of flaws in your Malik vs Sarfraz argument but I've never even stated that I pick one batsmen over the other so I will not even entertain those.

3) So basically you like Sarfraz so he's your main batsmen fair enough. You don't like Azhar but he's not gonna get dropped in your opinion. So you want Malik axed.... ok....

A number of very interesting and IMO flawed arguments there man. Whether its when your comparing a wicket keeper to a spin bowler, or saying Malik should get dropped because Azhar isn't getting dropped, or accusing me of just being a Malik fan.

The bottom line is - going back to the point of this entire thread - what Wasim said doesn't make any sense. If the captain is asking Malik to field at 3rd man thats what he should do. He's not the captain of the team so he shouldn't try and push his opinion onto people unless the captain asks him to get involved. Malik should shut up and get on with his cricket & thats what he is doing. To ridicule him for doing that is pathetic. That is the reason that so many senior players in our team struggle to play under junior captains. Their egos get in the way and they try and run the show even if they aren't captain.

I'm not gonna say I am a Malik fan or Im not a Malik fan. If he's playing well - he should be in the team, if he's not then he shouldnt. Whether he deserves a place in the team or not is a completely different argument (and is the argument you are going on about) and frankly is a matter of opinion. What I will say though - is some of our other senior players can learn from Malik and the way he has played under Junior captains. I am a fan of Afridi & YK - but I would easily go out and say that they would struggle to just shut up and play cricket under a junior captain and let a junior player tell them where to field or what to do. To criticise Malik for this is absolutely ridiculous IMO & THAT is what this thread is about.

 

[shaz619]

Nah I get that point. As an experienced player Malik should deliver more often that he currently does - that's fair enough.

However, what Im saying is that firstly and most importantly - (I think we both agree on this) you cannot bash the guy for doing nothing.

Secondly (and perhaps we disagree on this one) - it's kind of tricky to drop a guy whos averaged 60 in the last year and a half in ODI's - specially when your ODI team and batsmen are struggling so badly and the batsmen in particular are struggling to get runs on the board.

Not everything is black and white on the last point, you could argue keeping him in the team and dropping him as well. But I doubt he will be future endeavoured after performing in the dead rubber and that average in the last year, something we'll have to accept.

He will most likely play in the Champions Trophy to, the issue is that if he doesn't perform there it's not a matter of oh he'll be discarded for good now and we can prepare for the WC in 2019; the problem is we're on the brink of having to qualify for that tournament and every game is incredibly important and especially the group of players we select in this moment in time so whatever cards we play now are going to be pivotal in the future of our ODI team.

His bowling is no longer useful as well. His situation is similar to Hafeez, these guys are proven failures away from home and have had enough chances to cement themselves. I supported Malik while he was performing well even when others criticised him because he wasn't giving a reason to be dropped, fans often pointed out his past failures but in the end they were right because Malik's boogeyman in England returned to bite him in the bum.

We've been here before, e.g Champions Trophy in 2013. Very few Pakistani Batsman would have turned a corner after a history of struggling when the goings gets tough, especially these experienced individuals in particular so why are we making the same mistakes again?

The only thing we can really do now is pray Malik comes good in the CT next year.

 

[SuperKhan]

He also made strong performances with the ball in the England odi series. I do think though he needs to do more with the bat to justify his place.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Not everything is black and white on the last point, you could argue keeping him in the team and dropping him as well. But I doubt he will be future endeavoured after performing in the dead rubber and that average in the last year, something we'll have to accept.

He will most likely play in the Champions Trophy to, the issue is that if he doesn't perform there it's not a matter of oh he'll be discarded for good now and we can prepare for the WC in 2019; the problem is we're on the brink of having to qualify for that tournament and every game is incredibly important and especially the group of players we select in this moment in time so whatever cards we play now are going to be pivotal in the future of our ODI team.

His bowling is no longer useful as well. His situation is similar to Hafeez, these guys are proven failures away from home and have had enough chances to cement themselves. I supported Malik while he was performing well even when others criticised him because he wasn't giving a reason to be dropped, fans often pointed out his past failures but in the end they were right because Malik's boogeyman in England returned to bite him in the bum.

We've been here before, e.g Champions Trophy in 2013. Very few Pakistani Batsman would have turned a corner after a history of struggling when the goings gets tough, especially these experienced individuals in particular so why are we making the same mistakes again?

The only thing we can really do now is pray Malik comes good in the CT next year.

Yup - I hope whoever plays the CT next year and In-Shaa-Allah the World Cup in 2019 come good for us.

Having said that - I don't think anyone in the ODI team at the moment is in a position where they an feel like they are guaranteed to play the CT in England next year. There's a lot of cricket between now and then and a lot of opportunities for people to lose and earn their spot in the side - specially with the way our ODI team is currently going.

 

[super hitter]

I am sorry but this is why statistics can be deceiving. Malik repeatedly fails vs good attacks. Who cares that he can bash the weaker line ups? He failed in 4 out of 5 innings in the England tour. He simply is not good enough at this level.

4 OUT OF 5 RIGHT?

yet he just played 4 matches!

in the first 3, he came out at no.6 with so much pressure on scoreboard and early wicket falls...except the first one where the rain changed the conditions of the pitch and the whole lower order including sarfraz at no.5 went immediately...

he is ranked no.16 in t-20I and in the past year or so he has been the best batsman in the side with so many under pressure innings and here I can give you a good list of them.

 

[hk031992]

4 OUT OF 5 RIGHT?

yet he just played 4 matches!

in the first 3, he came out at no.6 with so much pressure on scoreboard and early wicket falls...except the first one where the rain changed the conditions of the pitch and the whole lower order including sarfraz at no.5 went immediately...

he is ranked no.16 in t-20I and in the past year or so he has been the best batsman in the side with so many under pressure innings and here I can give you a good list of them.

I am sorry but he is a minnow basher. His batting was pathetic in the first match in particular where it looked like he was playing for his average than anything else. Look at Sarfraz on the other hand and how he deals with pressure. The guy scores a century when coming in after 3 wickets have been lost. Malik is a joke in ODI's and has no place in the team. He will fail in the world cup just like most of the so called seniors that we took over in the last world cup.

 

[MenInG]

Not much changed?

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

Destroyed all the good work from Sharjeel , Poor Poor Poor innigs , just played for himself

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Destroyed all the good work from Sharjeel , Poor Poor Poor innigs , just played for himself

just made sure pak lose...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Not much changed?

if he is only interested to play only when he is a captain and just be a spectator watching the game as a senior player. shouldn't be picked as a player...

 

[super hitter]

a bad innings, 47 of 61, but I can't find a difference btw his and others innings, babar's 31 was no different

 

[Pete Rose]

a bad innings, 47 of 61, but I can't find a difference btw his and others innings, babar's 31 was no different

The thing is that Malik and Hafeez don't really add up to a whole lot. They are played for their experience so that we can ride out the big moments against the tough teams: do you think they are doing that?

 

[Abdullah]

hmm. u cant have to much of a go. when u look at our lower order hitting we just couldnt afford to go too early.
we got it to 170 off 20 which was fine but we needed him to go on at the point.
tbf at the point he got out umar was like 11(18) it was heada last over and we neededto get a couple of 6s away.
so it was the right play by malik throughout

 

[Lynx]

I think it was pretty clear he was trying to play for himself and cement his spot for the next series. After all, having 2 scores in the 40's and one of 39 doesn't look bad on paper.

 

[spade]

I mistook him to be a decent player of spin but i reached a conclusion that like most pakistani batsmen he too isn't good enough against spin, they can only attack in a panic state, can't play safe percentage shots without taking any risks.