Wasim Akram vs Waqar Younis: Who is better for the role in PCB?

[LordJames]

This is not about their playing days as Wasim was clearly more talented and superior. Wasim likes to talk a good game but has never really come forward and shown any interest in leading Pakistan Cricket out of the bottom.

Waqar on the other hand has had multiple stints and is now back in "Director of Cricket" sort of role.
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1. How does everyone rate the contribution of the two Ws post retirement?​
2. Have they helped or hindered Pakistan Cricket?​
3. Should Wasim be approached as he keeps saying that nobody has reached out?​

 

[Josh]

Coaching is a role with big responsibility and I don't think a star like Wasim will do coaching for national team unless he is really interested in coaching and he has a dominant say.

Looking at the current resources Pakistan have at their disposal, no one coach can change things immediately around. Things has to first change at domestic level. Pakistan needs good coaches, good competitive cricket, training, nutrition at domestic level so that players emerging from.domestic are international level. Also players with hunger to do well in all format are needed and not just T20 money minters like Haris Rauf

 

[Savak]

Wasim is honest about his limitations ie he is a diabetic and hence he can't take stress for long time periods and also because he had a young family and was primarily responsible for raising his kids after his first wife passed away in 2009 he couldn't stay away with them for long, now he says he is too old and out dated to be involved in full time coaching roles or PCB admin roles but he is happy to be involved in short term coaching stints or consulting engagements with the PCB.

Waqar on the other hand will keep coming back for more inspite of being an abject failure again and again, the modern day Intikhab Alam, a true warrior.

 

[oatmeal]

Akram has a lot of cushy TV gigs worldwide and he will easily get a consultant job with any cricket board or league team.

I don't think he wants to bother with the PCB in any direct role. It's not worth his time.

 

[Rana]

Waqar is a better game reader than Wasim

I would personally avoid both tbh

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Waqar is a better game reader than Wasim

I would personally avoid both tbh

Wasim never had a chance before so lets see what he can offer if gets a chance!

I am sure wont be that bad as Waqar was.

 

[Rana]

Wasim never had a chance before so lets see what he can offer if gets a chance!

I am sure wont be that bad as Waqar was.

I mean, Shoaib Akhtar never had a chance either.

From what I can understand with Wasim is that he is just too impatient and doesn’t bother to put the effort in such as the amount of research you need to understand how cricket is evolving. He’s a smart guy don’t get me wrong, just isn’t bothered to put in the hard yards as an analyst to make the required decisions.

Waqar on the other hand does more than Wasim in this regard. I actually think he’s a decent commentator, probably the best in Pakistan when it comes to game sense and awareness. Yes his English isn’t great but he is still a good person to listen to. His brother covers the entire domestic circuit so that’s quite a helpful link to have, plus his sister in law is a current Pakistan women’s pro. They are well rooted in Pakistan cricket.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Waqar is a tried and tested guy.

Both wasim and waqar complimented each other as bowler but wasim never really had a chance to coach Pakistan and he himself is not really interested for obvious reasons.

 

[aukhan]

Wasim will be better in every way. The Justice Qayum report is the reason he will never be hired for a major role in the PCB.

 

[TabishNator]

Wasim is just as clueless. Just look at how horrible his draft picks are in the PSL during his various stints in management roles.

 

[koi1]

Wasim will never have anything to do with PCB. He is too smart to get involved in this circus. Waqar on the other hand went from head coach to bowling coach (which is a demotion) and now apparently director of cricket. so you could offer him any role and he would take it if the money was right.

 

[LordJames]

Wasim vs Waqar: An alternative view

I have no access to inside information, but I believe that Waqar is at least trying to serve Pakistan Cricket although he may be unsuccessful due to political machinations or incompetence.

Media Punditry:

We all know that it’s a cushy assignment where you get to give your opinion from behind the scenes with no accountability and considering the state of “Pakistani Journalism” no pushback. You feel entitled to give “sound advice” like lock your wrist and hold the ball and the gullible Media and public laps it up like some sort of sermon.

Both Wasim & Waqar have access to these cushy assignments, but it is only Waqar who steps out of the safety of the camera and actually puts his reputation on the line and for what? Both have foreign nationalities, both have lives outside of Pakistan and both have access to the Media.

Wasim has played a good game by first getting close to Karachi Kings (ARY) and then ending up as the Director of ARY-Sports, nothing wrong with it but he has made no attempts to assist Pakistan Cricket.

Young Families:

Both have a similar situation in terms of families but once again Waqar has stepped out and tried to serve Pakistan Cricket and left his wife to take care of young children.

In case of Wasim, if he chooses to help Pakistan Cricket it would be easier because he lives in Karachi while Waqar lives outside of Pakistan.

PCB Roles (Downgrade):

A role with the PCB (whatever it maybe) is and always will be a downgrade for both of them. It will dent their reputations and open them for criticism and may always have a financial impact. It is not worth $100,000 to put up with the aggravation of dealing with Pakistan public, Media and constant pressure. For someone living in Pakistan $100,000 may be a lot of money but for these two it isn’t worth the hassle!

Yet, we see Waqar opting for the aggravation again and again and Wasim staying away.

Irrelevant:

This thread isn’t about their playing days, playing records, bowling style, injuries, impact or even corruption.

It isn’t even about their relative success (post retired), clearly Wasim is more successful and more in demand.

It isn’t even about the relative innocuous (or even unsuccessful) previous stints of Waqar.

This is an argument that Waqar seems to be putting himself forward, taking the abuse and at least trying while Wasim is not and making excuses that nobody approaches him. If Wasim wants to be the Coach, then he needs to apply like everyone else.​

 

[FearlessRoar]

Wasim Akram have already told he doesn't have temperament to work with PCB

 

[Rana]

Wasim Akram have already told he doesn't have temperament to work with PCB

That would make sense if Cricket Australia, England Cricket, New Zealand and South Africa cricket hired him and he demonstrated that he had the right temperament to work with those boards….then he could argue that his temperament isn’t suited to work with the PCB because of their style of management.

The truth is, he doesn’t have the temperament to work in high level cricket administration where he will be held nationally accountable.

 

[LordJames]

That would make sense if Cricket Australia, England Cricket, New Zealand and South Africa cricket hired him and he demonstrated that he had the right temperament to work with those boards….then he could argue that his temperament isn’t suited to work with the PCB because of their style of management.

The truth is, he doesn’t have the temperament to work in high level cricket administration where he will be held nationally accountable.

Exactly.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Wasim Akram have already told he doesn't have temperament to work with PCB

that is a sheer arrogance by Wasim!

In the media he was complaining about how he could work with the PCB when no one from the PCB bothered to call him.

 

[moghul]

Wasim is useless and not very smart, Waqar is more intelligent and can contribute more to Pakistan cricket.

 

[moghul]

The poll is very biased against Waqar, there is no option to pick in Waqar's favor.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Wasim does not want to work with PCB because he knows what happens here. Waqar is a tried and tested guy. I guess, we need to move on from these 2 guys.

 

[Ali T]

Waqar is easier to judge since he's already had some stints with Pakistan.
Don't think he made a good coach and tactically felt he was a bit short.

Wasim Akram based on his commentary doesn't seem like he has the ability to coach a national side, but could be interesting to use him on a part time basis as a bowling consultant. Not that he'd want to anyways.

If you compare both, Waqar does seem to have more passion as a coach, but passion isn't everything. I'd imagine there are better options out there than the two of them.

 

[sweep_shot]

Wasim would be better without a doubt.

But, is Wasim interested to work with PCB? Doesn't seem like it based on his past statement.

 

[Technics 1210]

Wasim is honest about his limitations ie he is a diabetic and hence he can't take stress for long time periods and also because he had a young family and was primarily responsible for raising his kids after his first wife passed away in 2009 he couldn't stay away with them for long, now he says he is too old and out dated to be involved in full time coaching roles or PCB admin roles but he is happy to be involved in short term coaching stints or consulting engagements with the PCB.

Waqar on the other hand will keep coming back for more inspite of being an abject failure again and again, the modern day Intikhab Alam, a true warrior.

Nice story. Wasim's diabetes is neither here nor there, if it were, then he would not have chosen a career in sports. His personal life with his wife passing away and him being the breadwinner raising his kids - boo hoo - a dime a dozen story, made easier if a sporting celebrity.

Talk to me about the justice Qayyum report and the real reason why the PCB does not hire Wasim in any role - because he was a fixer, indicted, everyone knew it, but let off cos the judge had Wasim's 2-ball-2-wicket WC final over on repeat.

Waqar Younis inspite of being a failure in management, is not any of the above, which is a head start in any administration/coaching role.

 

[Misia]

Wasim will be better in every way. The Justice Qayum report is the reason he will never be hired for a major role in the PCB.

Someone with some sence

 

[FearlessRoar]

Wasim will be better in every way. The Justice Qayum report is the reason he will never be hired for a major role in the PCB.

Thanks for bringing my attention to it. Did he bar him from joining PCB management?

 

[Savak]

Nice story. Wasim's diabetes is neither here nor there, if it were, then he would not have chosen a career in sports. His personal life with his wife passing away and him being the breadwinner raising his kids - boo hoo - a dime a dozen story, made easier if a sporting celebrity.

Talk to me about the justice Qayyum report and the real reason why the PCB does not hire Wasim in any role - because he was a fixer, indicted, everyone knew it, but let off cos the judge had Wasim's 2-ball-2-wicket WC final over on repeat.

Waqar Younis inspite of being a failure in management, is not any of the above, which is a head start in any administration/coaching role.

Its not a story brother, Wasim acquired Diabetes in 1997 and managed his final years with the disease.

Its pretty pathetic to see you mock him and completely under playing his first wife's demise.

If Justice Qayyum report was a factor Wasim would not be involved in various short term camps with the PCB, PCB Cricket Committee and the PSL. Wasim chooses to work with the PCB on his own terms, conditions and demand.

As far as Waqar is concerned, the guy can't even get a coaching gig outside Pakistan, only a country like Pakistan will give a 7 time failure an eighth chance.

 

[Technics 1210]

Its not a story brother, Wasim acquired Diabetes in 1997 and managed his final years with the disease.

Its pretty pathetic to see you mock him and completely under playing his first wife's demise.

If Justice Qayyum report was a factor Wasim would not be involved in various short term camps with the PCB, PCB Cricket Committee and the PSL. Wasim chooses to work with the PCB on his own terms, conditions and demand.

As far as Waqar is concerned, the guy can't even get a coaching gig outside Pakistan, only a country like Pakistan will give a 7 time failure an eighth chance.

I have not played down anything, just pointing out sob stories are not a qualification for a management/coaching role.

If you believe Wasim's hardships in life fulfil his CV, then good luck to you, other wise, what is the point of mentioning his personal life in the first place?

Hire the right person for the job based on qualifications and intent, and not sympathy.

 

[Savak]

I have not played down anything, just pointing out sob stories are not a qualification for a management/coaching role.

If you believe Wasim's hardships in life fulfil his CV, then good luck to you, other wise, what is the point of mentioning his personal life in the first place?

Hire the right person for the job based on qualifications and intent, and not sympathy.

I mentioned the stuff as possible reasons why Wasim has never been interested in working with the PCB or Pakistan Cricket on a long term basis. Let's get one thing straight, it wasn't the PCB which permanently blacklisted Wasim, Wasim himself was never ever interested in working for the PCB or the Pakistani Cricket team on a long term basis.

 

[Savak]

Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed heck even Aqib Javed have gotten coaching roles with international teams but Waqar has never ever been considered good enough for an international coaching role. Only a country like Pakistan and the PCB would continuously reward him with roles with the Pakistani team.

 

[LordJames]

I mentioned the stuff as possible reasons why Wasim has never been interested in working with the PCB or Pakistan Cricket on a long term basis. Let's get one thing straight, it wasn't the PCB which permanently blacklisted Wasim, Wasim himself was never ever interested in working for the PCB or the Pakistani Cricket team on a long term basis.

And that's the issue with Wasim, lack of honesty!

I have seen dozens of videos of him where he keeps on saying "I am available anytime but I have to be approached" which is dishonest and a soundbite for the fans.

Why not be honest and say that I am not interested OR I don't believe that I am able to help instead of misguiding his fans. Look at this simple poll and there are "fans" who genuinely believe that "Wasim The Messiah" is willing to help but not being approached when the fact is that he is not interested.

There is nothing wrong with making easy money but he knows his deluded fans and leads them right into fantasy land.

Waqar at least comes off the sidelines and puts himself forward to be abused when he can also just live a cushy life and keep on talking from the sidelines.