'We are against the oppressors': PTM leader Manzoor Pashteen tells thousands at Peshawar rally

[Abdullah719]

Man, who revealed PTM's Khaisor propaganda, killed

Malik Matorkay, maternal uncle of Shariatullah – who abducted a Mari Petroleum Company Ltd employee, was shot dead on Sunday in Khaisor village in the Mirali tehsil of North Waziristan.

Matorkay had given the statement that security forces personnel had not harassed the family members of Shariatullah as was being portrayed by the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM) as he was present at the time of the raid.

Sources said that he had signed an affidavit as a guarantor that no wrongdoings were committed. PTM had targeted him on social media.


Background

Matorkay was the uncle of Hayat Khan – the 13-year-old boy who was persuaded by PTM activist Noorul Islam Dawar to give a video message against security forces for adopting unfair means in their search for his elder brother Shariatullah.

In an interview with Voice of America, Jalat Khan, father of Shariatullah, confirmed that his son was a terrorist.

Shariatullah is said to have abducted and burnt four MPCL employees and a Frontier Corps soldier on October 23, 2018.

Another employee, Zahid Mehmood, was taken hostage and kept by Shariatullah at his house in Khaisor with the help of his father Jalat and brother Irfan.

When security forces went to rescue Mehmood, Shariatullah managed to escape into the mountains with the abductee.

Hayat was persuaded to give a video statement against the security forces.

However, Matorkay denied any such incident, saying he was with security forces when they searched the house of his sister. Hayat’s mother and Matorkay’s sister inked an affidavit stating no such thing happened.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1907683/1-man-revealed-ptms-khaisor-propaganda-killed/

 

[the Great Khan]

PTM- once a terrorist always a terrorist!!

 

[Azzurri]

This PTM is 100% drama. I know few afghans here who are full scale members of PTM social media web and are brain washing Pakistani Pashtuns

 

[Abdullah719]

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seems that some of the PTM folks who came to Kabul from Pakistan had nothing better to do than celebrating and whitewashing Communist mass murderer Noor Mohammad Taraki, one of the worst dictators of Afghanistan's earlier history. <a href="https://t.co/Sk6i1UgNY4">pic.twitter.com/Sk6i1UgNY4</a></p>— Emran Feroz (@Emran_Feroz) <a href="https://twitter.com/Emran_Feroz/status/1238492226365403145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[The Viper]

PTM's Arif Wazir dies in Islamabad hospital after gun attack in Wana

Spoiler

Arif Wazir, a leader of the Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM), died in Islamabad on Saturday after being attacked a day ago by unidentified assailants outside his home in Wana, South Waziristan.

Wana Station House Officer Usman Khan confirmed Wazir had passed away after being shifted to Islamabad for treatment.

The police official said a first-information report (FIR) of the incident had been lodged at the Wana police station.

According to another official, on Friday Arif Wazir was strolling outside his residence in Ghwa Khwa, near Wana, when armed persons opened fire from a moving vehicle. The official had told Dawn that Arif Wazir received life-threatening injuries.

He was initially admitted to the District Headquarters Hospital, Wana, but later shifted to an Islamabad hospital.

Arif Wazir is the first cousin of MNA Ali Wazir. Seven members of Arif Wazir’s family were killed in a clash with militants near Wana in 2007. His father, Saadullah Jan, and uncle, Mirza Alam, were among the dead.

Arif Wazir was released from jail on bail about one month ago.

Rights group Amnesty International in a statement on Saturday said authorities must carry out an independent and effective investigation into the attack on Arif Wazir, and that the suspected perpetrators must be held accountable.

PTM movement
PTM is a rights-based alliance that, besides calling for the de-mining of the former tribal areas and greater freedom of movement in the latter, has insisted on an end to the practices of extrajudicial killings, enforced disappearances and unlawful detentions, and for their practitioners to be held to account within a truth and reconciliation framework.

The party has been critical of the state's policies in the country's tribal belt, where a massive operation against terrorists was conducted in recent times leading to large-scale displacement and enforced disappearances.

PTM's leaders, in particular its elected members to the National Assembly, have come under fire for pursuing the release of individuals detained by authorities without due process. The army has alleged the party of running an anti-national agenda and for playing into the hands of the state's enemies.

The party while rejecting these allegations, has insisted that theirs is a peaceful struggle for the rights of people from the country's tribal belt.

Last year, MNAs Mohsin Dawar and Ali Wazir were arrested by police after a protest gathering in Kharqamar for allegedly using violence and clashing with army personnel.

This year in January, PTM chief Manzoor Pashteen was arrested from Peshawar's Shaheen Town for making a speech in Dera Ismail Khan during which he allegedly said that the 1973 Constitution violated basic human rights. The FIR said Pashteen also made derogatory remarks about the state.

A day later, Dawar was arrested briefly from outside the Islamabad press club alongside several other individuals while protesting Pashteen's detention.

Pashteen was later released on bail on January 25.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1553964/p...n-islamabad-hospital-after-gun-attack-in-wana

 

[Sirris]

There needs to be a proper investigation on who is responsible behind this killing. Many anti-state elements are already blaming the state.

 

[Syed1]

Well they wanted Karachi, Lahore and Pindi to be bombed but what really is happening is they are getting picked up and killed one by one. Being hunted like stray dogs. Oopsie :

 

[Sirris]

I condemn any extra-judicial killing even if it is supposedly for the benefit of the nation.

If this killing was done by the army and secret services, I condemn it. However for now we don't know who did it. It could be internal fighting. An independent investigation is necessary.

 

[Syed1]

I condemn any extra-judicial killing even if it is supposedly for the benefit of the nation.

If this killing was done by the army and secret services, I condemn it. However for now we don't know who did it. It could be internal fighting. An independent investigation is necessary.

Yeah the same judiciary that lets Nawaz Sharif a convicted felon to go out of the country. Or gives bail to Asif Zardari, Maryam Nawaz and a whole plethora of convicted/under trial felons. Heck the judiciary even let go Rana Sanaullah and Hanif Abbasi who are running a drug cartel.


No thank you very much, I'm ok with this method of removing enemies of the state.

 

[cric_man]

Reports suggest this was intra family issue.

 

[Sirris]

Regardless of who killed him, considering the Coronavirus crisis these pictures are unacceptable:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One can imagine the love of local people for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ArifWazir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ArifWazir</a>. The funeral was attended by thousands of people in Waziristan. <a href="https://t.co/EW6Sii7EpP">pic.twitter.com/EW6Sii7EpP</a></p>— Tariq Afghan (@afghan_tariq) <a href="https://twitter.com/afghan_tariq/status/1256877731683459072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

However many "liberals" are using this incident to unnecessarily vilify the state without any proof.

 

[Abdullah719]

However many "liberals" are using this incident to unnecessarily vilify the state without any proof.

If you use social media, you may have also come across the Communists and far-left leaning leftists who are mourning two BLA fighters' deaths and attacking the state for the incident... all because they went to QAU.

 

[JaDed]

If you use social media, you may have also come across the Communists and far-left leaning leftists who are mourning two BLA fighters' deaths and attacking the state for the incident... all because they went to QAU.

Your pov changes for Liberals -Leftists of India but clearly your pov of Liberals-Leftists of Pakistan is more or less negative.

 

[Bigboii]

Yeah the same judiciary that lets Nawaz Sharif a convicted felon to go out of the country. Or gives bail to Asif Zardari, Maryam Nawaz and a whole plethora of convicted/under trial felons. Heck the judiciary even let go Rana Sanaullah and Hanif Abbasi who are running a drug cartel.


No thank you very much, I'm ok with this method of removing enemies of the state.

What if they were not conducting anti state activities which their supporters believe they were not doing so with this killing we have no way to know for sure what happened and what answers as a nation will we give to thier mother's and kid that your dad was killed because of suspicion?

Isi is the filthiest garbage in Pakistan, it's like bug which sucks and sucks all day long but gives nothing in return

They have torturing and kidnapping journalists, student leaders and political leaders for dacades know and I don't see how we can stop this rise of the wild generals who only care about filling their pockets and controling the country and beating up people who question their power

 

[Bigboii]

Your pov changes for Liberals -Leftists of India but clearly your pov of Liberals-Leftists of Pakistan is more or less negative.

The Indian liberal unis are good QAU is bad

Wah jee wah

 

[Abdullah719]

Your pov changes for Liberals -Leftists of India but clearly your pov of Liberals-Leftists of Pakistan is more or less negative.

Not all liberals and leftists are the same. Some are consistent with their views and apply them across the board. Others have agendas to put forward.

I have no doubt that the same applies to India as well, but as an outsider, I don't know the finer details.

To expand a bit on this particular case that I mentioned, there were a couple of former students of the QAU (Quaid-i-Azam University). They joined the BLA (an internationally designated terrorist organization, US finally added them to the list less than a year ago) that has carried out attacks not only on the army but also against civilians. Suicide attacks, assassinations, bombings...

Those two students took up arms for a terrorist organization and took up arms against the Army and were killed in a clash recently. Now, some of the leftists are criticizing the state for "killing them" while failing to accept that they did any wrongdoing by joining the BLA and indeed accepted their fate by taking part in combat.

PTM is also in a similar boat. There are recorded statements of their leaders wanting Pakistan's destruction. Their relationship vis-à-vis Afghanistan is also somewhat murky and they have also engaged in racist rhetoric (and there are tons of Pashtuns who condemn that). Still, extrajudicial killings are condemnable, if that is indeed the case with the Arif Wazir incident.

 

[Abdullah719]

The Indian liberal unis are good QAU is bad

Wah jee wah &#55357;&#56396;

QAU isn't bad. BLA is.

 

[Bigboii]

QAU isn't bad. BLA is.

Man I get your point and I know where you are coming from but I think for Indians, kashmiri
mujahdeen are bad but a certain section demands that they should be treated fairly and not tortured and the whole thing that you probably knows and I think our lefties are doing the same and they are right I think BLA should be treated fairly where our priority should be to capture them and give them a civil trial and we shouldn't celebrate their death cause at the end of the day they are fellow pakistanis who were misguided by Raw and they had some genuine concerns for which they picked up arms

Instead of killing tham try to make tham a part of society and actually solve their problems instead army choose to kidnap them and rape their women

 

[Abdullah719]

Man I get your point and I know where you are coming from but I think for Indians, kashmiri
mujahdeen are bad but a certain section demands that they should be treated fairly and not tortured and the whole thing that you probably knows and I think our lefties are doing the same and they are right I think BLA should be treated fairly where our priority should be to capture them and give them a civil trial and we shouldn't celebrate their death cause at the end of the day they are fellow pakistanis who were misguided by Raw and they had some genuine concerns for which they picked up arms

Instead of killing tham try to make tham a part of society and actually solve their problems instead army choose to kidnap them and rape their women

I don't think anyone's death should be celebrated.

However, you can't excuse someone's actions and blame it on others. People are responsible for their own actions.

PTM claims to be a non-violent group fighting for people's rights. Yet, the whole movement is a contradiction if you're simultaneously asking for armed uprisings, using racist rhetoric, and asking for people to be bombed. You do not have the moral high ground anymore.

Yes, Baloch and Pashtun grievances should be addressed. But, in the meantime, that doesn't mean that terrorist groups should be normalized.

 

[Bigboii]

I don't think anyone's death should be celebrated.

However, you can't excuse someone's actions and blame it on others. People are responsible for their own actions.

PTM claims to be a non-violent group fighting for people's rights. Yet, the whole movement is a contradiction if you're simultaneously asking for armed uprisings, using racist rhetoric, and asking for people to be bombed. You do not have the moral high ground anymore.

Yes, Baloch and Pashtun grievances should be addressed. But, in the meantime, that doesn't mean that terrorist groups should be normalized.

Fair enough but I will never support the idea of extra judicial killings and kidnappings and I think ad humans we should condemn this behavior

 

[Abdullah719]

Fair enough but I will never support the idea of extra judicial killings and kidnappings and I think ad humans we should condemn this behavior

Agreed.

 

[JaDed]

Not all liberals and leftists are the same. Some are consistent with their views and apply them across the board. Others have agendas to put forward.

I have no doubt that the same applies to India as well, but as an outsider, I don't know the finer details.

To expand a bit on this particular case that I mentioned, there were a couple of former students of the QAU (Quaid-i-Azam University). They joined the BLA (an internationally designated terrorist organization, US finally added them to the list less than a year ago) that has carried out attacks not only on the army but also against civilians. Suicide attacks, assassinations, bombings...

Those two students took up arms for a terrorist organization and took up arms against the Army and were killed in a clash recently. Now, some of the leftists are criticizing the state for "killing them" while failing to accept that they did any wrongdoing by joining the BLA and indeed accepted their fate by taking part in combat.

PTM is also in a similar boat. There are recorded statements of their leaders wanting Pakistan's destruction. Their relationship vis-à-vis Afghanistan is also somewhat murky and they have also engaged in racist rhetoric (and there are tons of Pashtuns who condemn that). Still, extrajudicial killings are condemnable, if that is indeed the case with the Arif Wazir incident.

The only issue I have is when Pakistani posters speak about Libera and leftist in Pakistan it sounds like how [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] speaks about Indian Liberals-Leftists , thats the easiest way I can explain for most posters to understand.

 

[Bigboii]

The only issue I have is when Pakistani posters speak about Libera and leftist in Pakistan it sounds like how [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] speaks about Indian Liberals-Leftists , thats the easiest way I can explain for most posters to understand.

That's man's a racist I can guarantee it cause he supports EVERY single anti Muslim thing happening not just in India but everywhere

 

[Syed1]

The only issue I have is when Pakistani posters speak about Libera and leftist in Pakistan it sounds like how [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] speaks about Indian Liberals-Leftists , thats the easiest way I can explain for most posters to understand.

Not sure what flavour of liberals you have but the ones in Pakistan are quick to resort to abuses and name calling with someone not holding the same opinion as them. They have an air of elitism and superiority to them, that is why people dislike them. Recently Maulana Tariq Jameel in a telethon with PM and journalists was doing a prayer and said something along the lines of how our society is increasing going towards vulgarity and the woke liberal crowd ran a full campaign against him and forced him to apologize for his opinion.

 

[Sirris]

This is why I am against extra-judicial killing. It only backfires, the opportunists misuse it for their own personal gains, while many more start distrusting the state.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Naqeeb ullah Mehsud's extra judicial killing & the denial,,or delay, of justice to him will remain a shame for the country, its institutions & politicians.<br><br>Like many others who used Naqeeb's murder for their vested interests, Asad Qaiser isn't any different either. <a href="https://t.co/wm89wh7lVN">pic.twitter.com/wm89wh7lVN</a></p>— Nafees Ur Rehman (@NafeesRehmanDr) <a href="https://twitter.com/NafeesRehmanDr/status/1258079828189773824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Sirris]

This twitter handle is quite informative [MENTION=134698]Nafees[/MENTION]RehmanDr


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The nationalist Pashtun leaders though appeal to Pashtun youth on the regressive ethnic lines but they should know that if they don't speak out against these practices Pashtun society won't come out of the cycle of violence - something they appear to be campaigning for.</p>— Nafees Ur Rehman [MENTION=134698]Nafees[/MENTION]RehmanDr) <a href="https://twitter.com/NafeesRehmanDr/status/1262017752258281472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Sirris]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Zubid Ullah, a grade 19 officer of the Information Group killed in North Waziristan on Eid Day alongwith 2 others . It’s shocking not only for his fellow Information Group Officers but also for those whom he interacted.This heinous act must be investigated— <a href="https://t.co/i1LaxQ0gOz">pic.twitter.com/i1LaxQ0gOz</a></p>— Azaz Syed (@AzazSyed) <a href="https://twitter.com/AzazSyed/status/1265528494571900928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


if we don't speak up, who would?

mischievous elements with their own political goals?

 

[Mamoon]

The government is so scared of their jalsa in Peshawar they had to block mobile and Internet service all day today.

We had no network and WiFi all day. What is the government scared of?

 

[Lonewarrior]

Bajaur District People Stop PTM from Doing its Usual Propaganda in their Area.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">“ہم اس مٹی کے وارث ہیں اور ہم یہاں کسی کو جلسہ نہیں کرنے دیں گے” <br><br>باجوڑ کے غیور عوام نے PTM کو انکی اوقات دیکھا دی <a href="https://twitter.com/IhteshamAfghan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IhteshamAfghan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/mjdawar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mjdawar</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/kochaiLewanaai?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@kochaiLewanaai</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BajaurRejectsPTM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BajaurRejectsPTM</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIOBajaur?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PTIOBajaur</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BajaurPTM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BajaurPTM</a> <a href="https://t.co/oJs43BuZPL">pic.twitter.com/oJs43BuZPL</a></p>— Dr Maham (@Maham_Ahmd) <a href="https://twitter.com/Maham_Ahmd/status/1357677807753699333?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Kianig89]

Huge Jirga/ Jalsa by PTM led by Manzoor Pashteen.

First govt tried to ban them , then via Gandapur they allowed it sums up the muddled approach of state.

Also the PTM leader was firm in his stance and was in a soft threatening tone against the rulers.

Mohsin Naqvi and Co. Has too much to do but these fools are only interested in placing containers on road.

Alot of public pressure is boiling up in different directions and if somehow they join hands then this govt will fizz away like a small plastic shopper

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Chicken coming home to roost

 

[YousafTheBeast]

The government is so scared of their jalsa in Peshawar they had to block mobile and Internet service all day today.

We had no network and WiFi all day. What is the government scared of?

Oh, how times have changed.

 

[Kianig89]

The Jirga/ Jalsa was huge stunning numbers , Govt is completely helpless against them