"We are totally without good batters at the Under-19s level" : Mudassar Nazar

[MenInG]

From his full interview :


PakPassion.net: What do you say to those who state that the standard of young batsmen in Pakistan is a concern?

Mudassar Nazar: I would say that they are right and that is a big concern for all of us. I have scouted and scoured the country, gone to wherever cricket is played in Pakistan and it's almost impossible to find top-quality batsmen in the country who are coming through the system. We are totally without good batsmen at the Under-19s level and sadly, this issue goes all the way down to the Under-16s level as well. But there is a ray of hope as the Under-15s and Under-13s aren’t too bad and one hopes that in a few years’ time we will be able to produce quality batsmen. But at the moment, there is a huge issue with our batting resources within our First-Class and Under-19 levels and the age groups between.

The PCB, to their credit, has been successful in one thing which is that they have arranged two big tours for the A team in the UAE against New Zealand A and England Lions. And suddenly, we have a few good players come to the fore like Abid Ali who got some good runs. I saw him bat and get runs against England Lions’ Mark Wood who can bowl with a lot of pace. He looked very comfortable against that sort of pace so that is great news for Pakistan. We also have some good fast bowlers coming up like Shaheen Shah Afridi and one or two other younger bowlers who are doing well in Pakistan. So, it will take a little time but slowly the talent will come through.


A sad indictment on how we have not paid attention to development of our batsmen

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

It's pcb job where he failed miserably if anyone have potential they don't pay attention to him many talent wasted like this even they struggle to make in any domestic team if they get chance sidelined after 2,3 matches no good batting coaches for u19 how they learn,

U19 Best Talent Saim Ayub , Rohail Nazir and Omair Yousaf

 

[JibranAnsari]

Under 19 batsmen wont be feeling too good after this statement.

 

[MenInG]

Under 19 batsmen wont be feeling too good after this statement.

But its an honest assessment and we shouldnt worry about egos.

Under 19 batsmen should be looking at this statement as a way to improve themselves.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

But its an honest assessment and we shouldnt worry about egos.

Under 19 batsmen should be looking at this statement as a way to improve themselves.

How they improve themselves if pcb not help them

 

[MenInG]

How they improve themselves if pcb not help them

And yes that is why he is part of the committee I believe; He is trying to affect change but we have to have an honest assessment and understand that we have a problem, only then can we solve the problem

 

[MMHS]

For the first time, I read someone (of buzurg bunch) to question the prophesy - looks like, Mudassar isn't convinced about "PAK may talent bahut hai .....". Things should improve, since at least someone has been honest here.

 

[Usman Chadda]

How they improve themselves if pcb not help them

They can improve themselves by having the right attitude. Time and again we have seen players not working hard enough, and content on blaming their woes on the management, PCB, selectors, chai wala etc.

Agreed with Mudassar's assessment. It's sad how bad this aspect is at the moment.

 

[MenInG]

They can improve themselves by having the right attitude. Time and again we have seen players not working hard enough, and content on blaming their woes on the management, PCB, selectors, chai wala etc.

Agreed with Mudassar's assessment. It's sad how bad this aspect is at the moment.

What we should judge Mudassar with really is the progress he makes after making such a statement. I would give him a year or so but then we have to have A and U19 tours as well.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

They can improve themselves by having the right attitude. Time and again we have seen players not working hard enough, and content on blaming their woes on the management, PCB, selectors, chai wala etc.

Agreed with Mudassar's assessment. It's sad how bad this aspect is at the moment.

Problem on both side but pcb's most

 

[Shafi]

We all knew that. But it doesn't help when our revolutionist selector select even more worse talent players we actually have.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

We all knew that. But it doesn't help when our revolutionist selector select even more worse talent players we actually have.

Un merit selection is biggest problem ,
Talent like saud and saad we are wasting

 

[Shafi]

It might be a good time to replace him with a passionate and hard worker cricketer. Bazid khan could a good choice otherwise select a foreign professional. Tired of hearing tons of problems but no solution.

 

[Robert]

Mudassar is my favourite Pakistan player ever. Always smiling!

 

[pakistani pride]

It's pcb job where he failed miserably if anyone have potential they don't pay attention to him many talent wasted like this even they struggle to make in any domestic team if they get chance sidelined after 2,3 matches no good batting coaches for u19 how they learn,

U19 Best Talent Saim Ayub , Rohail Nazir and Omair Yousaf

Agree and how will young talent improve when you select 30 year old plus batsmen for A TOURS?

He talks about Abid Ali but he is well over 30.

 

[shaaik]

The problem is a two way, PCB full of inadequate people and the players becoming content after tasting a slight bit of success at the top level. We see it happening almost all the time that some promising batsmen coming through the ranks, taking the world by storm and getting lost in the oblivion once the opposite teams work them over. The quest to learn and evolve as a player has really hampered our progress over the years. Something has to be done about this and its's actually encouraging to see that some one from the people at the helm are at least acknowledging that there is actually a problem which needs sorting. Gone are the days when you could throw a youngster into the deep water and expect him to swim across, cricket has changed a lot over the years and there is no way one can be consistent enough on the basis of talent alone, talent can only take you a certain level, how you move ahead and become a better player will depend on the amount of hard work you would put in, there is this old cliche " What has got you here won't keep you here", you need to do something better every day to evolve both as a human and a sportsman in particular.

 

[MMHS]

To his credit, Mudassar did raise the selection issue, which is there in the detailed interview. He has to be politically correct here & I am sure he knows Adid Ali is 30+. In fact, I believe he has mentioned Abid intentionally to make a point - my hunch is Abid is among those U19 players he was talking about in his previous tenure about a decade back.

I understand PCB's problem - U16, U19 & A tours take place on exchange basis since there is no financial benefit. For PCB, it's not possible to arrange too many such tours in UAE and they have irritated their neighbors enough not to try a cheap alternate venue in IND or BD. Particularly in BD - that Savar NCA has 4 FC standard grounds and International quality training facilities, accommodation for at least 4 teams at a time.

A substitute can be planed - PSL emerging cup, which is basically a domestic U19 tournament among top 100 players (in the form of 4 day & 50 overs game), may be NCA can sponsor top 10-12 players after every such tournament for long term training programs ..... but I guess, talunt hunt & AUS trip earns more media mileage than such hassles. Batting is highly methodical, process oriented and disciplined skill, which is learned through a proper long term system under qualified coaching - don't think these hunting programs work much for batsmen. Actually, I doubt how much it works for bowlers either beyond speed gun bluffing.

 

[Saj]

He left his role at the NCA and it all went down the pan.

He left a huge gap when he started to work for the ICC and that as I said in the other thread meant that many cricketers were lost in the chaotic system.

The issue with young Pakistani batsmen is that they are just lured by tournaments like the PSL where the cash is and who can blame them really.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

He said what’s true. I was appalled by watching under 16 and under 19 batsmen in the recent U16 and U19 tournament.

 

[moghul]

Under 19 batsmen wont be feeling too good after this statement.

They should not be, when they played against India in under 19 WC, the gap between the batsmen of two teams was huge. Pakistani looked like a school team batsmen. I never saw such a low standard batsmen at under 19 level.

 

[Greenstorm]

There is no batting culture in Pakistan. Most of the young batsman are tullay baaz who have atrocious techniques due to playing tapeball cricket throughout their childhood.

On the other hand, there are plenty of young fast bowlers coming through the system. I was watching U16 final and this kid 'Ahmed Khan' from KPK looked very impressive. He is one to lookout for in the future.

 

[Plumb]

Isn’t the PSL just came into picture for last few years... to his point we never had good batsmen at U19 level and we never bothered to groom at that level.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I refuse to believe that there is no batting talent in Pakistan. If I am to guess, I’d say only 2% ppl play hardball/proper cricket in Pakistan. 98% ppl play tape ball cricket and if they have never experienced proper cricket then how are we supposed to assume if there is batting talent or not. How can someone judge a musician who never had the access to musical instruments? How are we supposed to judge a person’s academic performance if that person never went to any educational institution? In a way our cricketers are brought up like home-schooled children, or a bench beating drummer.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Just watch a tournament in ur local village and you will immediately see at least 5 players that could walk into ur local cricket teams club
Seems like educating players on how to transfer their skill from tape ball cricket has been a total failure and a blowout as per normal

 

[JattMaula]

I refuse to believe that there is no batting talent in Pakistan. If I am to guess, I’d say only 2% ppl play hardball/proper cricket in Pakistan. 98% ppl play tape ball cricket and if they have never experienced proper cricket then how are we supposed to assume if there is batting talent or not. How can someone judge a musician who never had the access to musical instruments? How are we supposed to judge a person’s academic performance if that person never went to any educational institution? In a way our cricketers are brought up like home-schooled children, or a bench beating drummer.

That's what I say about f1 driving. Till someone gives me a Chance to drive a proper racing machine I consider myself more talented than Lewis.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

I refuse to believe that there is no batting talent in Pakistan. If I am to guess, I’d say only 2% ppl play hardball/proper cricket in Pakistan. 98% ppl play tape ball cricket and if they have never experienced proper cricket then how are we supposed to assume if there is batting talent or not. How can someone judge a musician who never had the access to musical instruments? How are we supposed to judge a person’s academic performance if that person never went to any educational institution? In a way our cricketers are brought up like home-schooled children, or a bench beating drummer.

He didn't say anything about "talent." He's talking about technically correct players and he's right.

He specifically mentioned U19 but clarified that U15 and U13 has better prospects.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

He didn't say anything about "talent." He's talking about technically correct players and he's right.

He specifically mentioned U19 but clarified that U15 and U13 has better prospects.

Then what is talent? And my point is that how are you gonna find technically sound and talented batsmen if ppl aren’t even playing the real cricket?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

That's what I say about f1 driving. Till someone gives me a Chance to drive a proper racing machine I consider myself more talented than Lewis.

That’s a stupid analogy.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Then what is talent? And my point is that how are you gonna find technically sound and talented batsmen if ppl aren’t even playing the real cricket?

An overused word by Pakistanis which they don't understand the meaning of.

Technically correct players aren't found, they're coached. He's faulting the coaching system here for not developing batsmen correctly during his absence.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

An overused word by Pakistanis which they don't understand the meaning of.

Technically correct players aren't found, they're coached. He's faulting the coaching system here for not developing batsmen correctly during his absence.

But here’s the thing. By the time the majority of the youngsters get to the coaches they have already developed a technique that is deeply adapted to tapeball cricket. So as much as bad coaching is responsible for the depleted batting resources the lack of avenue for the youngsters to play real cricket is exacerbating this scarcity. Playing grounds are being turned into housing projects. Club cricket is dysfunctional and in many places it’s non existent.
A young player should be playing real cricket from a very early age. So I don’t doubt for a second that there are more promising batsmen coming out from under 13 and under 15 cricket.

 

[MenInG]

A few surprised people on this thread but hopefully after what we saw in the Emerging Cup, they will also see how true the statement is from Muddaser

 

[Savak]

The coaches in domestic cricket and the NCA need to be held accountable, what are they being paid for if they cant fine tune young batsmen at such a young age? BCCI appointed Rahul Dravid to take care of their U-19 and A teams. Wake up PCB.

 

[gazza619]

Something is going badly wrong. You just dont see many talented young Pakistani batsmen these days

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Something is going badly wrong. You just dont see many talented young Pakistani batsmen these days

You won’t find them in clubs that aren’t accessible to an average joe that doesn’t have enough money to survive in this nepotistic and elitist system.

 

[Saj]

Worrying times.

Top scorers have been around for years, the younger guys are struggling and seem to be more suited to 20 over cricket.

The problem is the cupboard looks rather bare.

 

[PakLFC]

We do not produce batsmen who can play under pressure anymore. It's good and well even easy to score runs galore on a flat track with the sun belting down. Even our supposedly best batsman Babar Azam is average at best.

 

[Napa]

I refuse to believe that there is no batting talent in Pakistan. If I am to guess, I’d say only 2% ppl play hardball/proper cricket in Pakistan. 98% ppl play tape ball cricket and if they have never experienced proper cricket then how are we supposed to assume if there is batting talent or not. How can someone judge a musician who never had the access to musical instruments? How are we supposed to judge a person’s academic performance if that person never went to any educational institution? In a way our cricketers are brought up like home-schooled children, or a bench beating drummer.

An overused word by Pakistanis which they don't understand the meaning of.

Technically correct players aren't found, they're coached. He's faulting the coaching system here for not developing batsmen correctly during his absence.

The coaches in domestic cricket and the NCA need to be held accountable, what are they being paid for if they cant fine tune young batsmen at such a young age? BCCI appointed Rahul Dravid to take care of their U-19 and A teams. Wake up PCB.

Modern sports are very commercialized. Modern professional sportsmen are combinations of ability and training. The Pakistani economy isn't doing great, so funds for training are scarce. Beyond that it appears the system is dysfunctional and incentives and accountability are lacking.

I don't mean to suggest that there is no corruption and nepotism in the Indian system, but at the moment it seems to be working better.

 

[Saj]

The fear is we go the Windies way........perish the thought.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

The fear is we go the Windies way........perish the thought.

At least we’ll win a few t20 World cups. Nothing to worry about..... nothing.

 

[Savak]

Modern sports are very commercialized. Modern professional sportsmen are combinations of ability and training. The Pakistani economy isn't doing great, so funds for training are scarce. Beyond that it appears the system is dysfunctional and incentives and accountability are lacking.

I don't mean to suggest that there is no corruption and nepotism in the Indian system, but at the moment it seems to be working better.

I believe the pcb at best should be utilizing its funds for the national team and players on central contracts, the U19 and A team's.

The academies, stadiums, regional sides should be the responsibility of the regions. The key is to free up the pcb as much as possible

 

[Savak]

Just watch a tournament in ur local village and you will immediately see at least 5 players that could walk into ur local cricket teams club
Seems like educating players on how to transfer their skill from tape ball cricket has been a total failure and a blowout as per normal

Tape ball Cricket and proper hard ball cricket are two different things. A guy with a solid performance in tape ball can be a total dud playing with the hard ball.

While tape ball cricket was at a point in time used as an explanation on why Pakistan was always producing 140-150 km/hr pacers, it has also led to very bad batting habits which become uncorrectable after a while. Indians don't play tape ball Cricket and it can explain why Indians have historically always been batting factory with more technically sound players than Pakistan.

 

[Savak]

Something is going badly wrong. You just dont see many talented young Pakistani batsmen these days

Every country has to go through a period of time where there is a paucity of talent. NZ went through it for a long time, so did Bangladesh

 

[Savak]

He left his role at the NCA and it all went down the pan.

He left a huge gap when he started to work for the ICC and that as I said in the other thread meant that many cricketers were lost in the chaotic system.

The issue with young Pakistani batsmen is that they are just lured by tournaments like the PSL where the cash is and who can blame them really.

Have read that in Indian Domestic Cricket, the average Indian domestic cricketer who has never played for India or the IPL, makes more than enough money now in a season that they don't have to worry about being employed while working, they can afford to focus on their games full time even in the off season and don't have to worry about what life will be like after their cricketing days are over.

Getting into the PSL and National team is the lottery for our youngsters but only 11 can play, domestic pay being a pittance will mean coming into Cricket is no longer a financially secure option for most people and mind you in our nepotistic system the best players will not always be picked.

Why would a youngster on average be enticed into struggling in Cricket anymore?

Mohd Akram chose to opt out of the PCB central contract list in 2001-2002 because he practically judged that even at the age of 28-29, his future in Pakistan Cricket was not promising and that unless he started planning for life outside Cricket right now, it will be too late later on and that the pcb will not care a damn. So he decided to move to England and establish himself there.

Same is the story behind Mushtaq Ahmed, Saqlain Mushtaq, Azhar Mahmood, Yasir Arafat. They all jumped ship at the right time and made the best possible decision for themselves

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

If we can find Babar Azam and Haris Sohail then we can find more with time.

Just need to invest more in youth levels and take FC cricket seriously. Make it a decent occupation for everyone. Mudasser is already on it and the PCB is trying to professionalize its operations.

In your main team you need 3-4 top bats to carry a team. We already got the bowlers just need a few more bats who could carry on with Babar and Haris.

There is not much to be excited about but knowing Pak's history it ain't yet over.

 

[CricketDon]

What about the under 9’s? Let’s draft them into the side. They can’t do worse than the current crop.

 

[Square Drive]

If we can find Babar Azam and Haris Sohail then we can find more with time.

Just need to invest more in youth levels and take FC cricket seriously. Make it a decent occupation for everyone. Mudasser is already on it and the PCB is trying to professionalize its operations.

In your main team you need 3-4 top bats to carry a team. We already got the bowlers just need a few more bats who could carry on with Babar and Haris.

There is not much to be excited about but knowing Pak's history it ain't yet over.

It's never gonna be, either.

 

[gazza619]

Every country has to go through a period of time where there is a paucity of talent. NZ went through it for a long time, so did Bangladesh

But we dont have foreign teams touring our country. What are the chances that our next generation will stay inspired.,

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

But we dont have foreign teams touring our country. What are the chances that our next generation will stay inspired.,

Milestones like Yasir being quickest to 200 and Babar to 1000 in T20's will help. Also Fakhar's good ODI innings will show people Pak still can dominate.

Not to forget our people are still crazy about the generation of 90's. You still hear people about Wasim, Waqar and Saeed.

 

[Savak]

I personally don't like this statement, certainly not in the manner in which it is said. I mean you are the head of academies which means you are responsible for the coaches and the running of the coaching programs, what are you doing to address the problem?

Are you doing anything to get rid of the deadwood who have just been paid for not delivering in the last ten plus years? Are you doing anything to recruit our ex legends to coach the youngsters?

 

[Titan24]

Why cant be have batting camps for young batsmen as we have for bowlers?

Also a lot of bowlers have come through talent hunt programs why is there no focus upon finding the batting talent in those. Thats the only way you are going to find batting talent missed by the system until the system is improved.

 

[Saj]

At least we’ll win a few t20 World cups. Nothing to worry about..... nothing.

If that's what floats the boat of some........but I want to see Pakistan batsmen competing against the best bowlers in the world, batting for long periods of time and winning Test matches for Pakistan.

 

[mak36]

[MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]'s comments are spot on here.

It is a shame many on here are trying to twist what Mudassar Nazar actually said.

 

[coy0607]

So pretty much the same as the national team then

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

If that's what floats the boat of some........but I want to see Pakistan batsmen competing against the best bowlers in the world, batting for long periods of time and winning Test matches for Pakistan.

Most fans don’t care about test cricket. I personally want to see us winning every match in every format but winning something is better than winning nothing.

 

[gazza619]

Most fans don’t care about test cricket. I personally want to see us winning every match in every format but winning something is better than winning nothing.

I dont agree, the cricket fans do care about test cricket. A test series win is very satisfying and is always remembered.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I dont agree, the cricket fans do care about test cricket. A test series win is very satisfying and is always remembered.

Any win is satisfying, be it an ODI win, T20 win, or test win. As far as fans carring about test cricket is concerned, one can only look at the amount of ppl present in subcontinental stadiums across all three international formats of the game to see the evidence of test cricket’s popularity.

 

[gazza619]

Any win is satisfying, be it an ODI win, T20 win, or test win. As far as fans carring about test cricket is concerned, one can only look at the amount of ppl present in subcontinental stadiums across all three international formats of the game to see the evidence of test cricket’s popularity.

T20/ODIs are mostly rememberred to the extent of tournaments.

Whereas test cricket series results are always discussed for years. Most people follow test cricket online/on TV.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

T20/ODIs are mostly rememberred to the extent of tournaments.

Whereas test cricket series results are always discussed for years. Most people follow test cricket online/on TV.

Yes, ppl remember test cricket just like they remember a traumatic event in their life. You are bound to remember test cricket because you can’t ignore something that carries on and on and on for 4-5 freaking days. Test cricket is Memorable, yes, but popular it is not.

 

[JaDed]

Why cant be have batting camps for young batsmen as we have for bowlers?

Also a lot of bowlers have come through talent hunt programs why is there no focus upon finding the batting talent in those. Thats the only way you are going to find batting talent missed by the system until the system is improved.

That's not how batting works , by having camps! it requires a lot of ground level coaching .

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Tape ball Cricket and proper hard ball cricket are two different things. A guy with a solid performance in tape ball can be a total dud playing with the hard ball.

While tape ball cricket was at a point in time used as an explanation on why Pakistan was always producing 140-150 km/hr pacers, it has also led to very bad batting habits which become uncorrectable after a while. Indians don't play tape ball Cricket and it can explain why Indians have historically always been batting factory with more technically sound players than Pakistan.

The same tape balls were why hasan raza was debuting at 14 and afridi was breaking records at 16 and inzi was winning semi finals in world cups

The likes of aaqib Javed coached the hell of the likes of irshad, sami and even talhah

The likes of warner, hayden, dhoni and even ronchi have become household names with that same deficient technique

The likes of akram and Imran just used to let the players get on with it, knowing their skill level was better than their counterparts and they would win more than 50% of the time

 

[BouncerGuy]

On this day back in 1956, The guy nicknamed " the Golden Arm", Mudassar Nazar was born.

The versatile player participated in 198 international games for Pakistan, accumulating 6,767 runs and taking 177 wickets. His exceptional ability to break partnerships earned him the nickname ‘Golden Arm’.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Former Pakistan head coach Mudassar Nazar on Monday called Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) officials a bunch of confused people, who do not learn from mistakes. Mudassar's comment came in the wake Pakistan's heavy 10-wicket defeat against Bangladesh in the first Test:

"The PCB is full of confused people and they are making mistakes after mistakes, leading to increasing problems in Pakistan cricket,"

"Everyone who has played cricket in Pakistan knows that no matter whatever anyone says in August the pitches in Rawalpindi tend to become good batting tracks after the first one or two hours of help for the seamers,"

"It is the result of confusion that is all. One day they appoint Waqar Younis as advisor on cricket and now he is mentor of a domestic team in Champions Cup,"

"Pakistan cricket has reached a point where today Bangladesh defeated Pakistan on home soil for the first time ever. I have never seen Pakistan cricket sink so low in my life. This is a new low that Pakistan has hit, which I have never seen in my life"

"If you make short-term decisions, the Pakistan team is already heading towards zero, just like hockey's situation. But we didn't expect that you would even lose to Bangladesh. Today, you've shown that as well,"

 

[ElRaja]

the biggest issue is that instead of progressing, all these young guys regress after making it to the test team, its mind boggling.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

So where are those U15s and U13s batters he was talking about 6 years ago? I only see play in the V style limited batters who can't negotiate extra pace , bounce ,spin or swing movement at every level in domestic cricket.

 

[Bewal Express]

So where are those U15s and U13s batters he was talking about 6 years ago? I only see play in the V style limited batters who can't negotiate extra pace , bounce ,spin or swing movement at every level in domestic cricket.

They weren't U16, they were probably 20 and today they will be 26. The age faking is doing lots of damage and wasting precious resources. You have the likes of Shadab, Amir and others that are 4 years older than stated. You can see Naseem and SSA are in the mid to late 20s and Rambo keeps yellling this 20 year old when he knows they are way older. That's why the development never happens. My lad is in his 20s, if you put him in the u19s, he too would look very decent. It's just a disorganised circus

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

They weren't U16, they were probably 20 and today they will be 26. The age faking is doing lots of damage and wasting precious resources. You have the likes of Shadab, Amir and others that are 4 years older than stated. You can see Naseem and SSA are in the mid to late 20s and Rambo keeps yellling this 20 year old when he knows they are way older. That's why the development never happens. My lad is in his 20s, if you put him in the u19s, he too would look very decent. It's just a disorganised circus

Like a broken record I have been saying this for years. You cannot develop someone who is mid 20s for a sustained and successful career. What could you possibly do with a grown man who is less skilled and experienced than a 18 year old boy who they are pretending to be? Fraudsters. Like Usman K flapping around the bat like he has just discovered cricket.

This is why we have so many flash in the pans, 2 years hot streak and they're done.

We could get away with it in the 80s and 90s but the game has professionalized and moved on. This is the elephant in the room and I am waiting for PCB to go public with this and audit every player in the domestic circuit for their actual age.

 

[Bewal Express]

Like a broken record I have been saying this for years. You cannot develop someone who is mid 20s for a sustained and successful career. What could you possibly do with a grown man who is less skilled and experienced than a 18 year old boy who they are pretending to be? Fraudsters. Like Usman K flapping around the bat like he has just discovered cricket.

This is why we have so many flash in the pans, 2 years hot streak and they're done.

We could get away with it in the 80s and 90s but the game has professionalized and moved on. This is the elephant in the room and I am waiting for PCB to go public with this and audit every player in the domestic circuit for their actual age.

They aren't doing any audits and nor do they care. These are work shy losers that do bugger all for PK cricket and never will. We had professional CEO and he was hounded by Geo and the idiots on here repeated the same rubbish on here . Where is @Mamoon these days

 

[jnaveen1980]

Rohail Nazir was hyped like Adam GIlchrist. I think he captained under-19 world cup twice for Pakistan.

From the 3 under-19 batches (2016,18,20) (note: 2022, 2024 too new. not many debuts from this batch for any team. )

SENA teams allow these players to mature longer in first class before fully backing. For instance Travis Head is from 2014 batch. He was dropped a fwe times before he came on to his own. But among Subcontinent teams Pakistan is lagging. Sure there were some bowlers. Not many world class batsmen from these batches. Not from 2022/2024 either.


Australia - Sangha (2018), McGurk (2020), Todd Murphy (2020),

Bangladesh - Shanto (2016), Mehidy hasan (2016), Hridoy (2018), Hasan Mahmud (2018), Nayeem Hasan (2018), Tanzid (2020), Shoriful (2020),

England - Dan Lawrence (2016), Sam Curran (2016) Harry Brook (2018), Will Jacks (2018),

India - Pant (2016), Isan Kishan (2016), Sarfraz khan (2016), Sundar (2016), P Shaw (2018), Gill (2018) Parag(2018), Abhishek Sharma (2018), Arshdeep Singh(2018), Jaiswal (2020), Jurel (2020), Tilak varma (2020), Bishnoi (2020)


NZ - Finn Allen (2016, 2018), Rachin Ravindra (2016, 2018), Glen Phillips (2016),

Pakistan - Shadab (2016), Shaheen shah afridi (2018), Naseem shan (2020), Abbas Afridi (2020), Mo wasim (2020), Haider Ali (2020), Haris (2020)

South Africa - Kyle verreynne (2016), Mulder (2016),

Sri Lanka - Charita Asalanka (2016), Kamindu Mendis (2016), Asitha Fernando (2016), Lahiru Kumara (2016), Pathirana (2020)

Windies - Hetymer (2016), Keemo paul (2016), Odean smith (2016), Alzaari Joseph (2016), Obed McCoy (2016), Athanaze (2018)

 

[TheSultan]

the biggest issue is that instead of progressing, all these young guys regress after making it to the test team, its mind boggling.

Once they get that to that stage, if they get to that stage, they are given a crash course in Misbah-ism.

Once groomed, they proceed to put on a tuk tuk masterclass

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Rohail Nazir was hyped like Adam GIlchrist. I think he captained under-19 world cup twice for Pakistan.

From the 3 under-19 batches (2016,18,20) (note: 2022, 2024 too new. not many debuts from this batch for any team. )

SENA teams allow these players to mature longer in first class before fully backing. For instance Travis Head is from 2014 batch. He was dropped a fwe times before he came on to his own. But among Subcontinent teams Pakistan is lagging. Sure there were some bowlers. Not many world class batsmen from these batches. Not from 2022/2024 either.


Australia - Sangha (2018), McGurk (2020), Todd Murphy (2020),

Bangladesh - Shanto (2016), Mehidy hasan (2016), Hridoy (2018), Hasan Mahmud (2018), Nayeem Hasan (2018), Tanzid (2020), Shoriful (2020),

England - Dan Lawrence (2016), Sam Curran (2016) Harry Brook (2018), Will Jacks (2018),

India - Pant (2016), Isan Kishan (2016), Sarfraz khan (2016), Sundar (2016), P Shaw (2018), Gill (2018) Parag(2018), Abhishek Sharma (2018), Arshdeep Singh(2018), Jaiswal (2020), Jurel (2020), Tilak varma (2020), Bishnoi (2020)


NZ - Finn Allen (2016, 2018), Rachin Ravindra (2016, 2018), Glen Phillips (2016),

Pakistan - Shadab (2016), Shaheen shah afridi (2018), Naseem shan (2020), Abbas Afridi (2020), Mo wasim (2020), Haider Ali (2020), Haris (2020)

South Africa - Kyle verreynne (2016), Mulder (2016),

Sri Lanka - Charita Asalanka (2016), Kamindu Mendis (2016), Asitha Fernando (2016), Lahiru Kumara (2016), Pathirana (2020)

Windies - Hetymer (2016), Keemo paul (2016), Odean smith (2016), Alzaari Joseph (2016), Obed McCoy (2016), Athanaze (2018)

Wait Mo Wasim was 19 year old in 2020... That is Wild

 

[ElRaja]

Rohail Nazir was hyped like Adam GIlchrist. I think he captained under-19 world cup twice for Pakistan.

never got the hype, was an average keeper, and an average batsmen as soon as he got out of age grade cricket where he was bullying (IMO) kids 4 or 5 years younger than him.

age fudging is a huge issue in pak cricket, u cant give a 23 or 24 year old the same time to develop as a real 18 or 19 year old.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Former Pakistan opener Mudassar Nazar said during an interview with a media outlet:

"I think if you look at Pakistan's team in the 90s, they were, talent wise, as good as Australia in the 90s. But it was a sheer fear factor of losing the game, and I'm going to be a little bit controversial here."

"The controversy is behind match fixing. There was a lot of pressure on the Pakistan team because every time they lost a game, people thought the game was dubious, the game was fixed. Nobody was prepared to accept that they actually lost to a better team."

"So, at some stage in the early 90s, I was part of that team which was fearful of losing the game, and that was entirely due to match fixing or fear of people believing the match was fixed."

"You add another factor there, which is the factor of playing against India. No Pakistani, no Indian, wanted to lose the game. We've seen that in Sharjah and that's why India versus Pakistan here was such a big event."

"That wasn't the case with the cricket, but with the general public probably. There was a lot of pressure there. Unfortunately, the match-fixing saga took its toll on Pakistan team."