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"We claim that there is too much talent in Pakistan, but sorry, no talent" : Shahid Afridi

Afridi is right. The talent is mediocre. Afridi can still perform better than majority of these newbies.

No he isn't if you pick Danish FC avg 19 , Asif FC avg 24 and expect them to perform at international level and then blame the system and talent when wrong persons are choosen
 
45 year old (possibly older) :afridi Afridi having retired from internationals 5 years ago can walk in to this team right now and it will be a 100 times better.
 
Afridi saw it first, most casual fans are seeing it now however their is still a sizeable majority that believe we are blessed with talent and with the "right" management we will sore to number 1.
 
All this after 1 T20 loss? You beat SA at home in 2 formats and won the ODI series here. What's the problem? Pakistan dont have the talent to beat Big 3 teams consistently but it's a lot better than what Afridi is implied here five years ago.

It's not about one loss even me being a Indian but following pak cricket more closely can see it all along . This pakistan team is certified minnow.
Somehow they win by grace of bowlers like magala gifting them matches .
PCB didn't help either by appointing proven failure & pathetic minnow level thinker sucha as misbah whose negative thinking and approach will take this pakistan team to a rabbit hole. R.I.P PCT
 
Afridi saw it first, most casual fans are seeing it now however their is still a sizeable majority that believe we are blessed with talent and with the "right" management we will sore to number 1.

Just imagine there's still not only fans but even former cricketer's who back legend Asif Ali?? :inti
Isse zyada aur kya kehna hay
 
Afridi saw it first, most casual fans are seeing it now however their is still a sizeable majority that believe we are blessed with talent and with the "right" management we will sore to number 1.

Among all sports teams in the world, Pakistan cricket has the greatest gap between the actual capability of the team and the level of fans expectations.
 
Afridi said nothing wrong, but some fans were too deluded to see and understand the harsh reality.
Afridi is probably 45-46 years old and easily walks into this team as the premier all rounder, that says a lot about the so called talented youngsters. Afridi retired 6 years ago and not a single all rounder has been able to give half the performances Afridi gave.
 
Afridi said nothing wrong, but some fans were too deluded to see and understand the harsh reality.
Afridi is probably 45-46 years old and easily walks into this team as the premier all rounder, that says a lot about the so called talented youngsters. Afridi retired 6 years ago and not a single all rounder has been able to give half the performances Afridi gave.

This Afridi type statements show what actually is ruining Pak cricket.
Afridi and co were obsessed with natural talent, which is why they never developed themselves either.
Leading teams like Aus, India and NZ know how to DEVELOP their talent.
Yet, After his departure, Pakistan discovered many new players including Babar, Fakhar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Shadab, Imad, Hassan Ali, who are all world class. Are they from Uganda?

And please Afridi has lost many games due to his mindless batting.
 
This Afridi type statements show what actually is ruining Pak cricket.
Afridi and co were obsessed with natural talent, which is why they never developed themselves either.
Leading teams like Aus, India and NZ know how to DEVELOP their talent.
Yet, After his departure, Pakistan discovered many new players including Babar, Fakhar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Shadab, Imad, Hassan Ali, who are all world class. Are they from Uganda?

And please Afridi has lost many games due to his mindless batting.

Exactly These sort of people only sent these sort of statments out so they could keep their position in the team

Ask malik and hafeez n they ll say the same just to keep their place

The issues We need to look at is our selection strategies Why are we picking players that avge in their teens from domestics or kids straight from U19s?

Let them go through the system earn their spurs over 3-4 years The cream will rise to the top Pik them Its not hard Pakistanis n its mind boggling policies just makes it so
 
When you see Danish Aziz bat, you feel like you are watching cricket reserved for the mentally challenged.

Is this our "Talent" ??

How the HECK this guy made to Pak's national team?
 
This Afridi type statements show what actually is ruining Pak cricket.
Afridi and co were obsessed with natural talent, which is why they never developed themselves either.
Leading teams like Aus, India and NZ know how to DEVELOP their talent.
Yet, After his departure, Pakistan discovered many new players including Babar, Fakhar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Shadab, Imad, Hassan Ali, who are all world class. Are they from Uganda?

And please Afridi has lost many games due to his mindless batting.

You are right about the fact that we are obsessed by our so called natural abilities. This is the reason why our players don't work hard enough to improve themselves because they believe that their God gifted ability is enough for them to be world beaters.

Teams like India and Australia only invest in those who have potential. Take Kohli as an example, he is the definition of pure hard work and dedication but he had that potential, that natural talent in his early days, and that's why they decided to persist with him. Same applies to Rohit Sharma who was a nobody for the first 6 years of his career before becoming arguably the greatest opening batsman in ODI history.

Unfortunately, we do not have such cases of generational talents. The only player who so far has proved to be the best talent of the last 15 years has been Babar, whose talent was spotted very early by the PCB. Shaheen can be the other one but he is not at that level just yet.

India, for example have been blessed with many such performers recently who can be labelled as generational talents, such as Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Pant, Pandya, etc...

The likes of Shadab and Faheem don't even come close to that category. Afridi himself underachieved during his career, but as an all rounder, he is leagues ahead of these fake all rounders and his 2013 version would put these guys to shame. Rizwan has been good recently and he looks like a hardworker, but it remains to be seen if he can stay at this level for a long period of time. Fakhar and Hassan have not done wonders since their CT 2017 campaigns, apart from a few world class performances here and there.
 
Pathetic from Pakistan..
Should be like
Fakhar
Sharjeel
Babar
Hafeez
Maqsood/Rizwan
Azam khan(wk)
Zafar gohar
Hassan Ali
Usman qadir
Arshad Iqbal
Afridi
 
If Pakistan could figure out how to groom talent, it would have learned to do it by now.

Our cricket culture is rotten to the core. There is no professionalism and no discipline.

The 1992 romanticism, the cornered tigers nonsense, the unpredictability crap has destroyed the mentality of Pakistan.

Our players, coaches, selectors, ex-players, media analysts and even the fans know nothing about cricket.
 
You are right about the fact that we are obsessed by our so called natural abilities. This is the reason why our players don't work hard enough to improve themselves because they believe that their God gifted ability is enough for them to be world beaters.

Teams like India and Australia only invest in those who have potential. Take Kohli as an example, he is the definition of pure hard work and dedication but he had that potential, that natural talent in his early days, and that's why they decided to persist with him. Same applies to Rohit Sharma who was a nobody for the first 6 years of his career before becoming arguably the greatest opening batsman in ODI history.

Unfortunately, we do not have such cases of generational talents. The only player who so far has proved to be the best talent of the last 15 years has been Babar, whose talent was spotted very early by the PCB. Shaheen can be the other one but he is not at that level just yet.

India, for example have been blessed with many such performers recently who can be labelled as generational talents, such as Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Pant, Pandya, etc...

The likes of Shadab and Faheem don't even come close to that category. Afridi himself underachieved during his career, but as an all rounder, he is leagues ahead of these fake all rounders and his 2013 version would put these guys to shame. Rizwan has been good recently and he looks like a hardworker, but it remains to be seen if he can stay at this level for a long period of time. Fakhar and Hassan have not done wonders since their CT 2017 campaigns, apart from a few world class performances here and there.

Yup! hardwork and persistence is needed for success. Pakistan U19 teams do well which shows we do have natural “talent”.

Also, I won’t compare peak Afridi with these upcoming players.
Afridi was just as inconsistent and he didn’t hit his strides as a bowler until the end of his career. His batting always remained mercurial. He also showed world-class performances “here and there”, and this reflects in his overall record.
 
2022, 4 pakistani players end up winning icc award and 8 representation seats in the worlds 11
 
If Pakistan could figure out how to groom talent, it would have learned to do it by now.

Our cricket culture is rotten to the core. There is no professionalism and no discipline.

The 1992 romanticism, the cornered tigers nonsense, the unpredictability crap has destroyed the mentality of Pakistan.

Our players, coaches, selectors, ex-players, media analysts and even the fans know nothing about cricket.

please see above explanation by Major re: ICC events.
 
Aaron Finch: The talent of Pakistan cricket is extraordinary, so I think world cricket is better when Pakistan are playing well and world cricket is better also when Pakistanis are playing in our domestic league"
 
If Pakistan could figure out how to groom talent, it would have learned to do it by now.

Our cricket culture is rotten to the core. There is no professionalism and no discipline.

The 1992 romanticism, the cornered tigers nonsense, the unpredictability crap has destroyed the mentality of Pakistan.

Our players, coaches, selectors, ex-players, media analysts and even the fans know nothing about cricket.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] for PCB Chairmanship!!!
 
Aaron Finch: The talent of Pakistan cricket is extraordinary, so I think world cricket is better when Pakistan are playing well and world cricket is better also when Pakistanis are playing in our domestic league"

It’s how they utilise this big pool of gold though
 
Seeing the likes of Iftikhar, Khushdil, Asif , Saud Afridi is cent percent right the Flop4
 
I hope he brings out this all-time great statement when the media criticized his selection. :)))
 
A person who believes that there is no talent in Pakistan has been made the chief selector.

Is this irony a good thing or a bad thing?
 
Saim Ayub Abdullah Shafique Kamran Ghulam three mainstays of Pakistan batting all gone flat.

Seems everyone aspires to be a tuller and earn $$$$ by playing leagues
 
Talents are there but Pakistan haven't been able to nurture and extract those talents in recent times (like they did in the past).

Things have been far more unstable lately (frequent leadership changes, excessive choppings and changings etc.).
 
Talents are there but Pakistan haven't been able to nurture and extract those talents in recent times (like they did in the past).

Things have been far more unstable lately (frequent leadership changes, excessive choppings and changings etc.).
Can you show us where these "talents" are?

We cannot see them, all we see is a bunch of mediocre players trying their luck over and over again and failing miserably..

ODI win against Australia seems like a one-off now...
 
After breaking a 22-year drought by winning an ODI series in Australia, Pakistan loses an ODI to Zimbabwe, and predictably, someone revives this thread. The very next day, if Zimbabwe suffers a heavy defeat, threads declaring Pakistan as favorites for the 2025 Champions Trophy will resurface. The knee-jerk reactions are truly astounding.

The issue was never Pakistan's talent—it's always been the professionalism and management of that talent.
 
Pakistan never had batting talent even in the past and all the batters developed their game by playing county cricket or starting young and continuously playing in SENA conditions and against quality international bowlers to improve their game against short pitch stuff and movement off the track , do the same thing again and you might develop some good U19 batters who will adapt to alien conditions in few years time. Picking a veteran player from domestic circuit who played on knee length bounce all his life will never be a successful strategy. The sooner we realize this the better it will be for us.
 
Young batters who are relatively good against short pitch stuff are:

Maaz Sadaqat (Can't play seam movement but good against swing delivery on good length even if it's a rising ball and very good against short pitch stuff)

Abdul Wahid Bangalzai (i know he sucks and can't play a moving ball but he is terrific against high pace short delivery)

Shamyl Khan (Very good eye hand coordination against extreme pace , his reaction times are super quick , can play bouncer with ease , can't play swing or seam and even spin though)

M.Haris (Probably the best talent against extreme pace and bounce , too bad he suffer from brain fart and lack of intelligence in general , is actually weak against slower bowl or medium pace with slight movement but good against 140k+)

Ali Hasnain Badshah (Has got a very hand eye coordination can adjust his shot at a lightning speed but makes some premeditated trigger movement but still he adjust and can really whack pacers and spinners equally)

Muhammad Waleed (Can play seam/swing with high pace , not sure if he can play high bounce as well and he is not an attacking player as well , more like Azhar Ali but can play high pace and swing with ease)
 
Young batters who are relatively good against short pitch stuff are:

Maaz Sadaqat (Can't play seam movement but good against swing delivery on good length even if it's a rising ball and very good against short pitch stuff)

Abdul Wahid Bangalzai (i know he sucks and can't play a moving ball but he is terrific against high pace short delivery)

Shamyl Khan (Very good eye hand coordination against extreme pace , his reaction times are super quick , can play bouncer with ease , can't play swing or seam and even spin though)

M.Haris (Probably the best talent against extreme pace and bounce , too bad he suffer from brain fart and lack of intelligence in general , is actually weak against slower bowl or medium pace with slight movement but good against 140k+)

Ali Hasnain Badshah (Has got a very hand eye coordination can adjust his shot at a lightning speed but makes some premeditated trigger movement but still he adjust and can really whack pacers and spinners equally)

Muhammad Waleed (Can play seam/swing with high pace , not sure if he can play high bounce as well and he is not an attacking player as well , more like Azhar Ali but can play high pace and swing with ease)

Saim Ayub is decent as well I think
 
Currently there is no talent in Pakistan but only tullebaaz player's :kp
 
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