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"We won back our fans, gained respect and got our dignity back as a cricket nation": Misbah-ul-Haq

Bilal7 said:
One of the greats of Pakistan cricket. His test team was the best in the world, at its height and he was a fantastic leader.

It was a true pleasure to be a fan.
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Pakistan lost a decade of cricket under Misbah-Waqar duo and later Misbah-Waqar-Azhar trio aka the axis of incompetence.
 
Slim said:
Pakistan lost a decade of cricket under Misbah-Waqar duo and later Misbah-Waqar-Azhar trio aka the axis of incompetence.
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Maybe in your fantasy universe. In the real world, we became the best team in the world, eradicated any and all controversy and I give some credit to Misbah for the champion's trophy win as well.
 
Slim said:
Pakistan lost a decade of cricket under Misbah-Waqar duo and later Misbah-Waqar-Azhar trio aka the axis of incompetence.
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You mean the decade where we couldn't play at home? The same decade where we were humiliated for spot fixing across the world? The only positive out of all that was Misbah ul haq, carrying the team with dignity, making our adopted home a fortress and getting us to #1! Tell me what exactly did we lose that wasn't already lost?
 
Funny how some Pak fans have a problem with a dignified player like Misbah because in their opinion he was the one responsible for their team's loss against India in the 2011 World Cup. But they have no problem in making heroes out of the Pak players of the 90's who helped their team lose countless matches in that decade because of their involvement in match fixing.

Misbhah wasn't exactly a fine player, but he led his team with dignity and honour. Even after retirement, he has conducted himself with dignity and honour, not making rubbish statements in the media, which few ex cricketers of Pakistan can lay claim to.
 
Funny how Indian and a lot of other non pakistani fans love Misbah - simple reason is they loved the fact that Misbah made our team timid.

He did a massive favour to Pakistan’s opponents
 
Like I said, some people have no problem idolising Salim Malik, a joke of a cricketer, who was known as the RAT, a disgrace to the game. But they have a problem with a dignified person like Misbah.
 
TheSultan said:
Funny how Indian and a lot of other non pakistani fans love Misbah - simple reason is they loved the fact that Misbah made our team timid.

He did a massive favour to Pakistan’s opponents
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Have huge amounts of respect for Misbah.

Pakistan cricket was worth nothing after the likes of Amir/Butt/Asif left us in an abyss.

What Misbah and also Younis did for us in those times is simply nothing short of a miracle.
 
MenInG said:
Have huge amounts of respect for Misbah.

Pakistan cricket was worth nothing after the likes of Amir/Butt/Asif left us in an abyss.

What Misbah and also Younis did for us in those times is simply nothing short of a miracle.
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Absolutely. By no means I’m calling him a fine player. But he brought dignity and respect back for his team. He did far better things for Pak cricket than those disgraceful players from the 90’s.
 
He is the most disgrace player ever.
He is the responsible for 2011 semi final loss and countless other matches as well.

He was the most selfish player ever. He played favorites he kept youngsters out of his team and kept giving other losers so many chances.

He is the destroyer of Pakistan cricket.

Even after retiring he kept destroying Pakistan cricket.

I really wish how Pakistan turned out to be if he was never selected for Pakistan.
 
MenInG said:
Have huge amounts of respect for Misbah.

Pakistan cricket was worth nothing after the likes of Amir/Butt/Asif left us in an abyss.

What Misbah and also Younis did for us in those times is simply nothing short of a miracle.
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Misbah was a good Test captain in UAE conditions but Ajmal and Hafeez must also get credit for those successes too..

Misbah was a horrible leader in LOI - look no further than the 2013 CT and 2015 WC. Our slow and impact less brand of cricket was a horror show for many years. Not the biggest fan of Mickey but he improved our LOI team by heaps and bounds.

As a player he was an average Test player but still a below par LOI batsman who could not adapt to the modern game with his limited shots and lack of footwork.
 
MenInG said:
Have huge amounts of respect for Misbah.

Pakistan cricket was worth nothing after the likes of Amir/Butt/Asif left us in an abyss.

What Misbah and also Younis did for us in those times is simply nothing short of a miracle.
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With respect, I don’t know how you quantify that.

Ok there was no fixing or controversy - is that because of Misbah? Let’s say you want to give credit to him for that. Ok, what about the Zulqarnain haidar / Umar akmal episode? Nothing to do with misbah? Ok but you can’t have it both ways. And in any case, whoever the captain would have been, with the amount of attention the spot fixing saga had, I don’t think anyone would be so foolish. You also have to to remember there weren’t any confirmed cases of fixing from 2000-2010 too. Shall we give every captain a pat on the back for that too? Non fixing is a minimum. You can’t praise someone that his team didn’t fix.

From a cricketing perspective he had good results in tests in the UAE. Ok good.

Also from a cricketing perspective he made us quite a timid team. But I hear people saying who cares if you’re winning. But we weren’t winning everything. Yes a few test series in the UAE. Disastrous ODI record. Unfortunately we are still feeling the pinch of that timid approach nowadays.

I also don’t understand the miraculous bit either. What was so miraculous? Did Pakistan not win anything prior to misbah’s reign? Did we lose any major batsmen due to spot fixing? Did we lose bowlers? Yes, but aamir had only been around for a year and Asif was in and out of the team anyway. In the UAE all that mattered was spin anyway.

I just don’t understand the exaggerated praise. It’s fine, I think he did a decent job to a point, but it should have only been a 2-3 year window
 
Appreciate the good that you’ve done for Pak cricket, but there’s not much more you can offer. Your vision and tactics are outdated in this new fast paced era of the game. Can offer ethics seminars to prevent future fixers, but beyond that, tactically- you never were cut out for the shorter formats of the game (except as a player early on in your career).
 
Markhor said:
There's no middle ground with Misbah with Pakistan fans. Either he's the biggest saint or the biggest villain. My view is Misbah was the right man in 2010 to stop the bleeding.

He's accused of destroying Pakistan's aggressive DNA which is greatly mythologised. A) Throughout our history we've played some very negative cricket. Under Imran, the skipper everyone aspires to be, we drew more Tests than we won. B) The world's media was watching our every step after the spot-fixing scandal, causing Pakistan cricket to become more docile, less confrontational. C) Slow UAE pitches also prevented a more attacking style of play.

We didn't win a Test series between 2006-10 so what legendary team did Misbah supposedly destroy ? Despite what folks say - leading a team to #1 in Test rankings, having never played at home, is one of the great sporting stories.

Misbah is often scapegoated for bigger systemic issues plaguing Pakistan cricket from poor domestic pitches and facilities, neglect of club and school cricket, and lack of investment in coaching.

However, Misbah was an awful judge of talent as captain and coach. It's ironic a calm, anchored personality was so haphazard with selections. We never had a stable white ball team under Misbah. Some of his picks had no right playing international cricket.

I also felt he eschewed the modern trend of formulating data-based plans against opposition. I'm still not over that Manchester Test. He had the 90s-era mindset of debuting unproven kids on a hunch. I didn't appreciate how he manoeuvered himself into the post either.
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It's also a myth that he somehow saved Pakistan cricket. These are fabled stories drummed up by his supporters that he was this knight in shining armour riding in on his high horse to exert his glory.

Pakistan cricket would still have survived in the aftermath of the spot fixing scandal and I'd go as far as to say the team probably would have been in better shape had he not taken charge in those intervening years.
 
daytrader said:
You mean the decade where we couldn't play at home? The same decade where we were humiliated for spot fixing across the world? The only positive out of all that was Misbah ul haq, carrying the team with dignity, making our adopted home a fortress and getting us to #1! Tell me what exactly did we lose that wasn't already lost?
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Pakistan couldn’t play at home due to security concerns.No team wanted to visit Pakistan.Can’t blame Misbah.Even now teams are not allowed to leave the hotel.
 
Kroll said:
It's also a myth that he somehow saved Pakistan cricket. These are fabled stories drummed up by his supporters that he was this knight in shining armour riding in on his high horse to exert his glory.

Pakistan cricket would still have survived in the aftermath of the spot fixing scandal and I'd go as far as to say the team probably would have been in better shape had he not taken charge in those intervening years.
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Completely agree.

Misbah's time was up in 2013 following the failures in South Africa and Zimbabwe in the test series + 2013 CT.

Anyone who genuinely thinks he's a saviour is watching a different sport.
 
Kroll said:
It's also a myth that he somehow saved Pakistan cricket. These are fabled stories drummed up by his supporters that he was this knight in shining armour riding in on his high horse to exert his glory.

Pakistan cricket would still have survived in the aftermath of the spot fixing scandal and I'd go as far as to say the team probably would have been in better shape had he not taken charge in those intervening years.
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topspin said:
Completely agree.

Misbah's time was up in 2013 following the failures in South Africa and Zimbabwe in the test series + 2013 CT.

Anyone who genuinely thinks he's a saviour is watching a different sport.
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To this day, I don't understand the myth of how misbah "Saved" Pak cricket after the fixing saga?
If he had gone to ICC and had convinced them to let Asif, Amir and Salman Butt go off the hook and let them continue playing for Pakistan then yeah, would've made some sense.

You had three guys caught cheating and thrown out of the team, what did Mishbah do? Start bowling like Amir and Asif, and started to open the innings to fill the void created by the absence of these three?


He was placed on the helm, where was an absolute ZERO for an inspirational leader. Chocked the light and spark out of the youngsters, and created such a frustrating, 24/7 on the back foot, and timid environment that no body thrived under him.
Anybody could've been made the captain and he would've done better than Misbah.
 
Wasim Akram: This is a million-dollar question. How come...okay I understand that you are the most experienced, you know your game and you know your weakness and strength. But in our cricket, I have never seen anyone hit a reverse lap or sweep shot. I know they do hit got cricketing shots, towards mid-on, mid-off, square leg and mid-wicket...

Misbah ul Haq: Mere baad marna chordh diya hain inhone. 2007 final ke baad.

Wasim Akram: Oh...now I remember.

Misbah ul Haq: Logon ne dekha ki isko jeene nehin de rahein hain toh humbhi nehin marenge. Jo 15 chauke maare they woh kisiko yaad nehin. Maine zindagi mein woh shot kabhi miss nehin kiya. Agar mein samne marta, udhr bhi toh fielders the. Agar spinner bowl kar raha he and fine leg circle me khadi hain, main uske upr se maar sakta tha, woh bhi flight bowl ko. Mera execution hi galat thi.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ounding-pakistan-batters-101665938665730.html
 
Colorblind Genius said:
To this day, I don't understand the myth of how misbah "Saved" Pak cricket after the fixing saga?
If he had gone to ICC and had convinced them to let Asif, Amir and Salman Butt go off the hook and let them continue playing for Pakistan then yeah, would've made some sense.

You had three guys caught cheating and thrown out of the team, what did Mishbah do? Start bowling like Amir and Asif, and started to open the innings to fill the void created by the absence of these three?


He was placed on the helm, where was an absolute ZERO for an inspirational leader. Chocked the light and spark out of the youngsters, and created such a frustrating, 24/7 on the back foot, and timid environment that no body thrived under him.
Anybody could've been made the captain and he would've done better than Misbah.
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PCB is mainly responsible for the downfall of Pak ODI team as after Inzamam's retirement in 2007 they gave too many opportunities to below average ODI cricketers like Misbah, Younus Khan who played @ SR of less than 75. Also, bits and pieces players like Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Malik, Hafeez were always considered above the team, they were never consistent and always failed on many big occasions. Graeme Smith led the South African team very well after their 2003 world cup debacle. Yes, they also choked in many Semi Finals, but they were far more consistent than Pak.
 
Mohammad Asif speaking in an interview

“My main memory is of the final match when Misbah played that shot. I was there at the non-striker's end. We had hit a four off the second last ball of the 19th over and Misbah had hit a six off the first ball of the 20th over. Then I went to him (Misbah) and said Chachu. He's elder to me so I call him chachu. Don't take singles and doubles. Go and hit a six as you did on the first ball"

"The bowler (Joginder Sharma) had lost his rhythm and had no pace. But Misbah played a wrong shot in the wrong direction and we lost the world cup. That will remain the saddest moment for me"
 
Misbah era is done and gone, why misbah not focusing on his degree.? Dude went from high to low and he is coaching a team for 100 rupees. Karmaaaa hit him hard
 
Sorry Misbah, you lost all the respect if you ever had with your prolonged and selfish career, in every role you took , as player, captain , selector and the coach. We would like to move on from talking about you any more.
 
Misbah speaking to reporters:

“Ihsanullah is the kind of bowler, who can win you series and tournaments. He can make a big impact. Whereas in batting, we have discovered Saim Ayub. [Mohammad] Haris has also given good performances"

“These players we have got for batting and bowling, if they continue to work hard, then they can do a lot for Pakistan in future,”
 
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Pakistani former captain Misbah ul Haq joined US Master T10

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The T Ten Global Sports, organizer of the Abu Dhabi T10 and US-based SAMP Army Cricket Franchise announced the inaugural season of the US Masters T10 league in the United States in Dallas, Texas.

The thrilling 10-over format matches will have legendary cricketers who have retired from the international format but also as well as young stars who will begin their careers in the sport.

Ritesh Patel, the owner of SAMP Army Cricket Franchise - one of the main organisers of the American edition & League partner - said, “Excited to bring this fast explosive cricket format to the USA. Players participating in this tournament have huge following all over the globe and this is a great opportunity for American fans to witness this for the first time on American soil.”

After six momentous editions of the Abu Dhabi T10, and an upcoming Indian Masters League, T Ten Global Sports are thrilled to announce the inaugural edition of US Masters T10 League in USA.

“T10 was founded in 2017 to bring to the format of a fast game like football and we are in the US now after 6 years. Since this is a fast, energetic and action-based sport we thought US would be great destination for a format like this. “

The launch of the US Masters T10 League saw in attendance cricketers like Corey Anderson, Misbah Ul Haq, Shiv Narain Chanderpaul and other USA National and Domestic players.

“It’s a great honour to be a part of this format in the US, especially at this age. Everyone wants the older players to play again and so US Masters T10 will be a success”, Misbah Ul Haq.

To embed the sport of cricket within the audience of America, other US sporting stars are also joining by buying ownership within teams.
NBA Superstar Spencer Dinwiddie is joining the Morrisville Unity team.

“I am super excited to be a part of the US Masters T10 League and working alongside Shaji Ul Mulk and Ritesh Patel that are introducing this growing international sport of Cricket to America.”

Kayvon Thibodeaux of the NY Giants NFL team says “I’m excited to be an apart of a growing international sport of Cricket coming to America.” As he joins the NY Warriors T-10 Team

The league will see 6 Teams competing in the new fastest Cricket format.

The new logo of the USA T10 was also revealed here.
 
Misbah speaking in an interview

“I wouldn’t look for a full-time coaching job but I’m happy to do short term work, perhaps, in franchise cricket, which is something I would be interested in coaching or as consultant capacity"

“Franchise cricket is a lot different as you have some fun and enjoy, and working with different players from different countries. It’s something that I wouldn't mind doing, if the opportunity comes my way."
 
MenInG said:
Misbah speaking in an interview

“I wouldn’t look for a full-time coaching job but I’m happy to do short term work, perhaps, in franchise cricket, which is something I would be interested in coaching or as consultant capacity"

“Franchise cricket is a lot different as you have some fun and enjoy, and working with different players from different countries. It’s something that I wouldn't mind doing, if the opportunity comes my way."
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Feel sorry for any franchise that has to work with his influence in the side
 
Why his name still around Cricket! Didn’t we learn from his Dual position! He should concentrate on his degree! Cricket is not for him
 
TheSultan said:
Funny how Indian and a lot of other non pakistani fans love Misbah - simple reason is they loved the fact that Misbah made our team timid.

He did a massive favour to Pakistan’s opponents
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India's 12th man. The Mohali semi-final will always be known for this.
 
Former Pakistan captains Younis Khan and Misbah-ul-Haq will feature in the Inaugural Over 40s World Cup, set to be held here in September-October
 
Happy Birthday to Kaptaan Misbah

Born: May 28, 1974 (age 49 years), Mianwali, Pakistan
 
I will always hold him in high regard.

I know he had some poor performances on the pitch, but more often than not, he performed well and was a good ambassador for Pakistan cricket.
 
Misbah bought a lot of respect back to Pakistan cricket after 2010 scandal.

I remember Moeen Ali once saying in an interview Misbah was the most respect non-english player in the Eng dressing room.
 
I see some discussions on Misbah's legacy but this thread is good for that discussion.
 
Should have been axed in 2007. Hafeez would have been a fine captain, followed by Sarfraz . In fact sarfi should probs have been made captain back in 2012.
 
BouncerGuy said:
  • Led in 56 Tests and won 26, both records for Pakistan
  • The leading run-scorer in international cricket after turning 35
  • T20 World Cup and PSL winner
Happy Birthday to Misbah Ul Haq

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795342096121110560
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When did Misbah win a t20 world cup? Or are you referring to 2009 when he was in the team and didn't bat in the final( Allah ka shukar he didn't bat 😂).

Khair happy 50th, thanks for destroying our white ball cricket.
 
mominsaigol said:
When did Misbah win a t20 world cup? Or are you referring to 2009 when he was in the team and didn't bat in the final( Allah ka shukar he didn't bat 😂).

Khair happy 50th, thanks for destroying our white ball cricket.
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Yep I was referring to 2009. He was in the squad that makes him a T20 WC winner.
 
“We won our fans back and then a lot of the old ones became staunch enemies of the brand of cricket I enforced and the policies I implemented”
 
This is all just a flash in the past, nobody remembers Misbah for any of it unfortunately. He is better known for the master politician he became in retirement and the influence he continues to wield behind the scenes, the Misbah of today has done more damage then any of his knocks in ICC tournaments.

I would advise he keep away from Pakistan Cricket, find a new hobby and set up a charity foundation for all the players who’s careers he has ruined. I might just remember Misbah a bit more fondly then.
 
The guy doesnt even look 50. Even today his fitness is as great as it was during his playing days.

I think it was his recuring hamstring injury and groin injury that finally got him, but he still kept himself well maintained and in the retired leagues still post alot of runs.
 
A fine, fine captain and a leader of men on the field. We became a test power which is so small feat. Unfortunately, Misbah the administrator was very mediocre.
 
Misbah-ul-Haq, who failed to take Pakistan over the line against their arch-rivals in 2007, recalled how winning-captain Younis Khan wanted him to finish the match, in order to erase the memories of the previous edition.

"When we were about to win, Younis came and asked me to pad up because he knew the defeat from the last tournament was still on my mind and he wanted me to finish the game and win the title for Pakistan this time around," said Misbah while speaking on the Pakistan Cricket Board's YouTube channel.

In the end, Misbah didn't get a chance to bat as all-rounder Shahid Afridi and former captain Shoaib Malik formed an unbeaten 76-run partnership to guide Pakistan home.
 
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MenInG said:
Misbahul Haq, who failed to take Pakistan over the line against their arch-rivals in 2007, recalled how winning-captain Younis Khan wanted him to finish the match, in order to erase the memories of the previous edition.

"When we were about to win, Younis came and asked me to pad up because he knew the defeat from the last tournament was still on my mind and he wanted me to finish the game and win the title for Pakistan this time around," said Misbah while speaking on the Pakistan Cricket Board's YouTube channel.

In the end, Misbah didn't get a chance to bat as all-rounder Shahid Afridi and former captain Shoaib Malik formed an unbeaten 76-run partnership to guide Pakistan home.
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Thank Allah! He would have made us lose for sure.
 
He was one of the best limited overs batter we ever had. Alot of people cant digest this fact and i really dont care. Like after Zaheer Abbas, Misbah held the highest batting avg in odis for Pakistan. Before Rizwan and Babar arrived, we didnt have a better batter than Misbah in limited overs.

What made him a great limited overs batter was the fact that he was able to play in pressure situations. Alot of the ICC tournaments that Pakistan has lost over the years was due to our batsmen not being able to play in pressure situation. Like this is very easy to type instead of doing it, but not many of us can handle pressure.

ICC tournaments are a pressure tournament. Many guys like Yousuf, Inzi, and many others have failed to perform because while they can rack up runs in series, they couldn't do so in an ICC tournament.

Misbah was the top scorer for Pakistan in 4 ICC tournaments.
- T20 WC 2007
- WC 2011
- CT 2013
- WC 2015

I feel proud of the fact that i was able to witness his career, and for me his era was the best era ever. Whenever I would see him walk out to bat, i would be glad that now the fall of wickets will stop from one end.
 
Major said:
He was one of the best limited overs batter we ever had. Alot of people cant digest this fact and i really dont care. Like after Zaheer Abbas, Misbah held the highest batting avg in odis for Pakistan. Before Rizwan and Babar arrived, we didnt have a better batter than Misbah in limited overs.

What made him a great limited overs batter was the fact that he was able to play in pressure situations. Alot of the ICC tournaments that Pakistan has lost over the years was due to our batsmen not being able to play in pressure situation. Like this is very easy to type instead of doing it, but not many of us can handle pressure.

ICC tournaments are a pressure tournament. Many guys like Yousuf, Inzi, and many others have failed to perform because while they can rack up runs in series, they couldn't do so in an ICC tournament.

Misbah was the top scorer for Pakistan in 4 ICC tournaments.
- T20 WC 2007
- WC 2011
- CT 2013
- WC 2015

I feel proud of the fact that i was able to witness his career, and for me his era was the best era ever. Whenever I would see him walk out to bat, i would be glad that now the fall of wickets will stop from one end.
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Misbah isn’t even in the top 50 best Pakistani LOI batsmen.
 
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Major said:
He was one of the best limited overs batter we ever had. Alot of people cant digest this fact and i really dont care. Like after Zaheer Abbas, Misbah held the highest batting avg in odis for Pakistan. Before Rizwan and Babar arrived, we didnt have a better batter than Misbah in limited overs.

What made him a great limited overs batter was the fact that he was able to play in pressure situations. Alot of the ICC tournaments that Pakistan has lost over the years was due to our batsmen not being able to play in pressure situation. Like this is very easy to type instead of doing it, but not many of us can handle pressure.

ICC tournaments are a pressure tournament. Many guys like Yousuf, Inzi, and many others have failed to perform because while they can rack up runs in series, they couldn't do so in an ICC tournament.

Misbah was the top scorer for Pakistan in 4 ICC tournaments.
- T20 WC 2007
- WC 2011
- CT 2013
- WC 2015

I feel proud of the fact that i was able to witness his career, and for me his era was the best era ever.Whenever I would see him walk out to bat, i would be glad that now the fall of wickets will stop from one end.
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Actually naw I gotta tear this apart.

- Misbah holding the highest batting avg is irrelevant, no one gives a kahoot. Saeed anwar remains Pakistan's best batter to this date, with inzi being the best MO batter and zaheer and YK being the best test batters.

Misbah can't even get an odi century, his 50 of 80 balls even on situations when wickets weren't falling like asia cup 2014 were a massive liability regardless of the situation. This a man who got booted out of t20 team due to the way he played against england lol.

He can hide away his 50 of 80's due to the crapola top order but it got exposed every time when the situation didn't call for it. He can't even get a 100 at no 5 in Odi?

- He was the biggest bottler to play for Pakistan. He didn't play pressure situations like you're making them out to be, he played 90% of his innings as if he just walked on the crease, Mohali, 2007, England t20 etc etc, he's basically just a more consistent version of Chacha aka he sticks around longer, but he didn't play under pressure like you're making it seem. He always played like this regardless of the scenario. Only in test he came out his comfort zone.

- The icc argument is double sided because you're the same guy who advocates rizwan being > Kamran akmal based of tours, but your don't acknowledge 2009. Regardless, I can't speak for 2011, but 2013 is entirely due to misbah choosing a crap team, no one told him inran farhat, Umar Amin, hafeez at opening, asad shafiw eho had been failing for centuries were good ideas.

As for 2015, Sarfraz was the best batter, not Misbah irrespective of the runs scored because he played every single game.
 
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mominsaigol said:
If only their was also just 3 babar/rizzu fans, it would make life easier.

Too bad babar has infested every corner of the Pakistani Internet
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There was no need to bring babar and rizwan in every thread. It makes the thread look completely derailed.

TBH, had Misbah won that 2007 cup for Pakistan, he would have been regarded as the greatest of all time white ball player. That shot is his only mistkae.
 
BouncerGuy said:
There was no need to bring babar and rizwan in every thread. It makes the thread look completely derailed.

TBH, had Misbah won that 2007 cup for Pakistan, he would have been regarded as the greatest of all time white ball player. That shot is his only mistkae.
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Huh? No he wouldn't, even if he had people would put Sachin, kohli, pointing and others over him.

Why would he be the GREATEST ALL TIME WHITE BALL PLAYER? Makes no sense, how is that 2007 innings had he won anywhere close to what West Indies did in 2016? Or what maxwell did in 2023? Or what pointing did in 2003?
 
mominsaigol said:
Why would he be the GREATEST ALL TIME WHITE BALL PLAYER?
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Because people usually think that a guy who contributed to winning the world cup is a goat player now and they ignore all other history as a player and his future performances. Misbah was not even a good white ball player, especially Odi where this guy has scored no century when he should have scored. People call him tuk tuk for reason.
 
Major said:
He was one of the best limited overs batter we ever had. Alot of people cant digest this fact and i really dont care. Like after Zaheer Abbas, Misbah held the highest batting avg in odis for Pakistan. Before Rizwan and Babar arrived, we didnt have a better batter than Misbah in limited overs.

What made him a great limited overs batter was the fact that he was able to play in pressure situations. Alot of the ICC tournaments that Pakistan has lost over the years was due to our batsmen not being able to play in pressure situation. Like this is very easy to type instead of doing it, but not many of us can handle pressure.

ICC tournaments are a pressure tournament. Many guys like Yousuf, Inzi, and many others have failed to perform because while they can rack up runs in series, they couldn't do so in an ICC tournament.

Misbah was the top scorer for Pakistan in 4 ICC tournaments.
- T20 WC 2007
- WC 2011
- CT 2013
- WC 2015

I feel proud of the fact that i was able to witness his career, and for me his era was the best era ever. Whenever I would see him walk out to bat, i would be glad that now the fall of wickets will stop from one end.
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He was the only pillar that lifted our batting in those bleak times. This is some achievement on its own.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Because people usually think that a guy who contributed to winning the world cup is a goat player now and they ignore all other history as a player and his future performances. Misbah was not even a good white ball player, especially Odi where this guy has scored no century when he should have scored. People call him tuk tuk for reason.
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Besides Misbah fans, no would claim he's the greatest white ball player of all time. Plus you don't need misbah qinning 2007 to convince mosbah fans he's the greatest.

They think he is the best of all time regardless amd hold him to some Bradman level standards.
 
Major said:
He was one of the best limited overs batter we ever had. Alot of people cant digest this fact and i really dont care. Like after Zaheer Abbas, Misbah held the highest batting avg in odis for Pakistan. Before Rizwan and Babar arrived, we didnt have a better batter than Misbah in limited overs.
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This is from an Indian perspective so no bias from my side.
Misbah is not even top 10 limited over batter's Pakistan has produced. Inzi/Yousuf/Malik/Javed/Abbas/Izaz/Anwar.... Heck Even Imran Khan was a way better then slow Tuk tuk of Misbah in LOI's. On top of that his dour, unimaginative captaincy was
so sad to watch as a cricket fan.. But as an Indian fan it was funny as he destroyed the DNA and flair of Pakistan ODI cricket.

Major said:
What made him a great limited overs batter was the fact that he was able to play in pressure situations. Alot of the ICC tournaments that Pakistan has lost over the years was due to our batsmen not being able to play in pressure situation. Like this is very easy to type instead of doing it, but not many of us can handle pressure.
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He was a coward. Plain and simple. Pick and select average players, come down to bat at No.5 and then just tuk tuk your way to an impact less 90 ball 50... and end up being high scorer of the match for the Pakistan.
2015 WC vs India, 2011 WC vs India and countless other games his approach was same. Only once in his LOI career I would say he did his best was 2007 WC Final of T20Is. But he choked there at the end.
Major said:
ICC tournaments are a pressure tournament. Many guys like Yousuf, Inzi, and many others have failed to perform because while they can rack up runs in series, they couldn't do so in an ICC tournament.

Misbah was the top scorer for Pakistan in 4 ICC tournaments.
- T20 WC 2007
- WC 2011
- CT 2013
- WC 2015

I feel proud of the fact that i was able to witness his career, and for me his era was the best era ever. Whenever I would see him walk out to bat, i would be glad that now the fall of wickets will stop from one end.
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lol what pressure he could handle in these tournaments. He is solely responsible for 2013 Debacle where Pakistan lost every single match of Champions Trophy(3 matches on the trot.. first round shameful exit).
T20 final.. his shot is one for the ages for us Indian fans. He played such a stupid shot under pressure. He basically bottled it.
2011 WC Semifinal.. he played such a criminal innings. Just slowed and slowed things down putting pressure on other batters and hence the ultimate collapse.

On top of that, I had some respect for him for the way he led the Test team post the spot fixing debacle of Pakistan.But all that went away when he cheated his way into the Pakistan coaching job. That was an eye opener, as he turned out to be
a power hungry person. There was a massive conflict of interest in the way he handled sacking of Mickey Arthur in 2019.

I always thought of him as a principled man before that saga, but was very very disappointed. Then his true colours came out.

But, hey, Misbah helped India win two World cups as our 12th man. I would actually recommend him for Arjuna Award, India's highest sporting honor just for that.
 
BouncerGuy said:
There was no need to bring babar and rizwan in every thread. It makes the thread look completely derailed.

TBH, had Misbah won that 2007 cup for Pakistan, he would have been regarded as the greatest of all time white ball player. That shot is his only mistkae.
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That one shot also lead to the genesis of the IPL.
 
You can say that Misbah brought the respect in test format for sure when Pakistan lifted the test mace for the first time ever in history. 26 TEST wins is no joke. Otherwise, he has not much to show in his entire career.
 
BouncerGuy said:
You can say that Misbah brought the respect in test format for sure when Pakistan lifted the test mace for the first time ever in history. 26 TEST wins is no joke. Otherwise, he has not much to show in his entire career.
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Yes you are right. A guy who was the highest scorer of pakistan in 4 icc tournaments has not much to show....

Bring me guys that perform in icc tournaments
 
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Major said:
Yes you are right. A guy who was the highest scorer of pakistan in 4 icc tournaments has not much to show....

Bring me guys that perform in icc tournaments
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Which 4 tournaments? Who remembers Misbah for anything good in white ball cricket?
 
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Rana said:
Which 4 tournaments? Who remembers Misbah for anything good in white ball cricket?
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Misbah was Pakistan's highest scorer in 2007 t20, 2011 wc, 2013 CT and 2015 WC.

But this statistic is so blatantly dishonest.

Sarfraz was the best batter in 2015 period. The only tournament misbah didn't get to bat much in resulted in an icc victory in 2009
 
Major said:
Yes you are right. A guy who was the highest scorer of pakistan in 4 icc tournaments has not much to show....

Bring me guys that perform in icc tournaments
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He has nothing to show in white ball format. How many games he won for this team? How many impact innings in those 4 tournaments you are talking about?

I will give him credit for the Red-ball format but white ball format has nothing to be praised about.
 
BouncerGuy said:
He has nothing to show in white ball format. How many games he won for this team? How many impact innings in those 4 tournaments you are talking about?

I will give him credit for the Red-ball format but white ball format has nothing to be praised about.
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Again if you are going to come here and go around saying that the highest scorer of 4 icc tournaments has nothing to show for, than there is nothing to have discussion here for. Like if the highest scorer is being called nothing to show for, than that means the rest of the 15 squads of pakistan that played in those 4 tournaments are not even near.
 
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Major said:
Again if you are going to come here and go around saying that the highest scorer of 4 icc tournaments has nothing to show for, than there is nothing to have discussion here for. Like if the highest scorer is being called nothing to show for, than that means the rest of the 15 squads of pakistan that played in those 4 tournaments are not even near.
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What quality arguments? argument included talking about imad wasim sucking hard due to mot being able to hit a 6 against neesham of the final ball while praising chacha on cloud 9 only for chachu to get put by neesham very next game?

other quality arguments involve asking to ban india In totality.

Any idiot can become the highest scorer if they keep playing risk free and go at 50 of 90 deliveries in each and every game. Quality players are looking to win games, not get a meaningless statistic like him.
 
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That one shot also lead to the genesis of the IPL.
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IPL was in the works for two years before it actually happened, and it happened sooner than it would have because of the ICL.

Regardless of what happened in T20 World Cup in 2007, the IPL would have morphed into the giant that it is today.

India not winning the inaugural T20 World Cup would have had no bearing on the success of the league just like India not winning a T20 World Cup since has not hindered the tournament from growing bigger and stronger every year.

However, the timing of India’s win in 2007 and the inauguration of IPL in 2008 means that it is quite exciting and captivating to associate Misbah’s scoop with the genesis of IPL, but there is absolutely no truth to it.

These are business decisions taken at a high level backed by a lot of strategic thinking & planning. They are not knee jerk, emotional reactions to one particular moment of play.
 
Major said:
Again if you are going to come here and go around saying that the highest scorer of 4 icc tournaments has nothing to show for, than there is nothing to have discussion here for. Like if the highest scorer is being called nothing to show for, than that means the rest of the 15 squads of pakistan that played in those 4 tournaments are not even near.
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Brother, any player can score runs if you have to score 50-60 runs on some 80-90 balls without taking any risk. Reality is misbah played no impactful inning in white ball.

Babar was top scorer in 2019 and 2021 WC but nobody cares about it because the impact was not there. Stats sometimes are pretty misleading sir.

Misbah should be given credit for his red-ball heroics for sure. He lifted the Test mace which is no joke. But white ball? LOL
 
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