"Wearing Hijab Is Indiscipline": Karnataka Minister On Students' Protest

[cricketjoshila]

They also state they used the Quran to confirm hijab is not required. But are stuck when asking what text was used to allow Sikhs a different dress code?

Or is it because Sikhism is still considered a part of Hinduism?

What text was used would be in the judgement that was passed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes I know that , but there is NO mention of any turban , and Khalsa did not exist at the time before Guru Gobind singh. So it cannot be integral part .

Guru Gobind Singhji was the last guru and he gave the final rules of Sikhism. So what he prescribed is essentially an integral part of sikhism.

The mention is of a dastaar or head covering.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What text was used would be in the judgement that was passed.

Im not privy to the judgement.

Do you have any idea scriptural texts were even used in the judgement?

Sikhs dont believe they are a sect of Hinduism but Indian state does. Who is right the Sikhs or the Indian state?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Im not privy to the judgement.

Do you have any idea scriptural texts were even used in the judgement?

Sikhs dont believe they are a sect of Hinduism but Indian state does. Who is right the Sikhs or the Indian state?

Indian state is secular bro. They can appoint a Sikh or Muslim representative to prove it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Im not privy to the judgement.

Do you have any idea scriptural texts were even used in the judgement?

Sikhs dont believe they are a sect of Hinduism but Indian state does. Who is right the Sikhs or the Indian state?

Yes scriptual texts are used in judgements.

No one calls Sikhs as a sect of Hinduism. They are treated as a religious minority.

Only for civil personal matters hindu Buddhists jains are treated under the same law, muslims have separate personal laws.

Thats why the call for a uniform civil code.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian state is secular bro. They can appoint a Sikh or Muslim representative to prove it.

It is bro. Thats why islamists are whining that islamic laws are not getting prominence over constitutional laws.

 

[Itachi]

Im not privy to the judgement.

Do you have any idea scriptural texts were even used in the judgement?

Sikhs dont believe they are a sect of Hinduism but Indian state does. Who is right the Sikhs or the Indian state?

This post has nothing to do with hijab in my opinion. You are derailing the thread towards Sikhs and being taking away from the focus that is hijab in Islam.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

This post has nothing to do with hijab in my opinion. You are derailing the thread towards Sikhs and being taking away from the focus that is hijab in Islam.

So what is it now?

You can come to school in Hijab
You can enter into the in Hijab
You can walk around inside the school in Hijab
But when you enter the classroom, you take off Hijab.
And soon as you walk out of the class, you can take Hijab back on.


Exactly what are you guys trying to achieve here? Uniformity?

 

[Itachi]

So what is it now?

You can come to school in Hijab
You can enter into the in Hijab
You can walk around inside the school in Hijab
But when you enter the classroom, you take off Hijab.
And soon as you walk out of the class, you can take Hijab back on.


Exactly what are you guys trying to achieve here? Uniformity?

Yes.

Religion shouldn't have any place in educational institutions.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Yes.

Religion shouldn't have any place in educational institutions.

but then Sikhs can wear turbans .. regardless of whether it's an integral part of their religion or not - you just said, "Religion shouldn't have any place in educational institutions."

But overall,

Did you notice how dumb you sound?

Read by post again,

INSIDE the school, you will have Hijabis, and you will Sikhs and and you will have those stinky Sanghies (the hatred filled terrorists) wearing burrowed saffron scarfs and hats, and regular n peaceful Hindus wearing a loath of strings around their wrists as a religious faith symbols, and some Hindu females having a red dot on their foreheads, and Christians may have a cross hanging around their necks, all roaming free. No problem.

But when all these guys enter into a CLASS ROOM, the Muslim females need to remove Hijab to score equality?

Whoever came up with this, and believes in this, should be given the Darwinism award.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So after they lost the case, some muslim organizations have given death threats to the judges.

 

[Itachi]

but then Sikhs can wear turbans .. regardless of whether it's an integral part of their religion or not - you just said, "Religion shouldn't have any place in educational institutions."

But overall,

Did you notice how dumb you sound?

Read by post again,

INSIDE the school, you will have Hijabis, and you will Sikhs and and you will have those stinky Sanghies (the hatred filled terrorists) wearing burrowed saffron scarfs and hats, and regular n peaceful Hindus wearing a loath of strings around their wrists as a religious faith symbols, and some Hindu females having a red dot on their foreheads, and Christians may have a cross hanging around their necks, all roaming free. No problem.

But when all these guys enter into a CLASS ROOM, the Muslim females need to remove Hijab to score equality?

Whoever came up with this, and believes in this, should be given the Darwinism award.

Sikhs have court verdicts for them. Muslims didn't because most Muslim scholars deemed hijab to be non essential attire which was taken into account while giving the verdict.

You are barking up the wrong tree here. Your frustration (if there is) should be directed towards the scholars who can't stay as a union and can't even give definite answer to such trivial questions such as "is hijab essential in Islam?"

When you can't make up your mind, what courts will do?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sikhs have court verdicts for them. Muslims didn't because most Muslim scholars deemed hijab to be non essential attire which was taken into account while giving the verdict.

You are barking up the wrong tree here. Your frustration (if there is) should be directed towards the scholars who can't stay as a union and can't even give definite answer to such trivial questions such as "is hijab essential in Islam?"

When you can't make up your mind, what courts will do?

If i am not wrong, the local ulema of udupi where all this began had already said that hijab is not necessary within the classroom.

It was only CFI that tried to raise the issue to polarise voters in UP againist the BJP.

 

[Itachi]

Let's take the following into consideration.

1. The ulema said it is non essential.

2. CFI used it as agenda.

Now most Muslim ppers here are siding with CFI, the radical wing as it is already obvious from above.

My question to those, if scholars say something and the radical extremist group another, what you will choose?

Will you go towards the extremist way?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Small issue has been blown out of proportions now.

Before I made my first post here I wasn't aware that the school had a dress code from the beginning it was established that you cannot wear a Hijab and the muslim kids dressed accordingly per school rules all this time, till now, no one had any problems.

Now after all these decades a Hijab issue suddenly rises out of the blue, this is politically motivated, by whom I do not know. This really has nothing to do with the Hijab, as the students were well aware for years that Hijab was not part of the school dress code and they only chose to act on it now out of the blue..

Watch the below for instance, now the students who did not attend the exams wants to take the exam, which the school seems to be willing to accommodate (which they don't have to as it is unfair on the students who attended the exam). However the muslim kids are bringing up the same issue of wanting to wear the hijab in the school during the exam, which they know is against the school dress code and against the court verdict. Going round and round to cause issues..

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[Cpt. Rishwat]

So after they lost the case, some muslim organizations have given death threats to the judges.

So they lost the case in front of unbiased and secular judges? Wow. Who would have ever predicted that?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

So they lost the case in front of unbiased and secular judges? Wow. Who would have ever predicted that?

So you are saying it is justified to give death threats to judges if you disagree with their judgements? Wow.. who could have ever predicted that?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So you are saying it is justified to give death threats to judges if you disagree with their judgements? Wow.. who could have ever predicted that?

No I didn't say that. If you are going to quote someone at least read the reply before doing so.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION]

Bumping this up as you are intent on derailing the other thread..

The education act which includes restrictions on dress code in schools has been in place since 1983. Here are other cases relevant to this discussion.

https://www.scobserver.in/journal/karnataka-government-order-on-dress-code-for-students/

Point is - why the girls who had never worn hijab before November - suddenly started wearing them.

 

[finalfantasy7]

[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION]

Bumping this up as you are intent on derailing the other thread..

The education act which includes restrictions on dress code in schools has been in place since 1983. Here are other cases relevant to this discussion.

https://www.scobserver.in/journal/karnataka-government-order-on-dress-code-for-students/

Point is - why the girls who had never worn hijab before November - suddenly started wearing them.

Thats a great point, so can i ask why did they?, im assuming the report / investigation suggest why?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Indian Muslims need to push for a Uniform Civil Code. As long as they don't Hindu and Sikh religious practices will be deemed cultural and essential and allowed, while only Muslim ones will be banned.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes scriptual texts are used in judgements.

No one calls Sikhs as a sect of Hinduism. They are treated as a religious minority.

Only for civil personal matters hindu Buddhists jains are treated under the same law, muslims have separate personal laws.

Thats why the call for a uniform civil code.

Please post the text used for the Sikh judgement.

This post has nothing to do with hijab in my opinion. You are derailing the thread towards Sikhs and being taking away from the focus that is hijab in Islam.

Do keep up. Sikhs were allowed to wear turbans but Muslim women cannot cover the head. Of course its related. None of your countrymen can so perhaps you can explain why the difference in judgement?

Let's take the following into consideration.

1. The ulema said it is non essential.

2. CFI used it as agenda.

Now most Muslim ppers here are siding with CFI, the radical wing as it is already obvious from above.

My question to those, if scholars say something and the radical extremist group another, what you will choose?

Will you go towards the extremist way?

Which Ulemas? Please post their view and explain what non-essential means?

Head covering is an integral part of Islam for women. Hundreds of millions dont wear it for fashion.

Indian posters should just admit, Hindutva ideology is anti-Islam. But no matter how much anti they are it wont change the history of Muslims ruling over their forefathers, its time to move on for Yogi and Bubboo.
#

 

[KingKhanWC]

Thats a great point, so can i ask why did they?, im assuming the report / investigation suggest why?

Hindu extremists turned up in their numbers, all men attacking women. Attacking women is nothing new in India but now they are targetting Muslim women, due to their brave souls. It seems it was all planned, handing out Saffron scarfs to all these students.

India as a nation should be careful, its a ticking time bomb of communal violence on a large scale.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Please post the text used for the Sikh judgement.



Do keep up. Sikhs were allowed to wear turbans but Muslim women cannot cover the head. Of course its related. None of your countrymen can so perhaps you can explain why the difference in judgement?



Which Ulemas? Please post their view and explain what non-essential means?

Head covering is an integral part of Islam for women. Hundreds of millions dont wear it for fashion.

Indian posters should just admit, Hindutva ideology is anti-Islam. But no matter how much anti they are it wont change the history of Muslims ruling over their forefathers, its time to move on for Yogi and Bubboo.
#

I agree with the sikh turban part here. If every student is equal then even Sikhs shouldn't be allowed to wear turbans but no one has guts to go against Sikhs.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So what is it now?

You can come to school in Hijab
You can enter into the in Hijab
You can walk around inside the school in Hijab
But when you enter the classroom, you take off Hijab.
And soon as you walk out of the class, you can take Hijab back on.


Exactly what are you guys trying to achieve here? Uniformity?

Superiority.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yes.

Religion shouldn't have any place in educational institutions.

So when are we asking Sikhs to stop wearing turbans in schools?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree with the sikh turban part here. If every student is equal then even Sikhs shouldn't be allowed to wear turbans but no one has guts to go against Sikhs.

The court thinks Turbans are mandatory, every Sikh man must wear one. I would like to know where they got this idea from?

Im glad Sikhs can wear their religious clothing but so should Muslims , Hindus an any others.

Its India not France, the country is very religious. India doesnt understand secularism, it never will and its not something it should even entertain. You dont have to follow everything your colonisers do.

 

[Clueless]

Hindu extremists turned up in their numbers, all men attacking women. Attacking women is nothing new in India but now they are targetting Muslim women, due to their brave souls. It seems it was all planned, handing out Saffron scarfs to all these students.

India as a nation should be careful, its a ticking time bomb of communal violence on a large scale.

Attacking women is nothing new anywhere in the world.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Attacking women is nothing new anywhere in the world.

No doubt.

However some lands, ethnicities, cultures or ideologies have a bigger problem than others.

 

[Itachi]

Which Ulemas? Please post their view and explain what non-essential means?

Head covering is an integral part of Islam for women. Hundreds of millions dont wear it for fashion.

How would I know what is essential or non essential means in case of Islam? It's upto your scholars to answer. Ask them. You are asking it from the wrong person here.

Since you aren't a Muslim scholar, your words are meaningless regarding essential or non essential attire for Muslims.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

So when are we asking Sikhs to stop wearing turbans in schools?

When the courts rule that turbans are not mandatory.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

lol. You claimed these Ulemas made the decision. Who are you referring to or just making this up?

I havent even put my view forward on covering the head. Im waiting for Indians to explain how this court came up this decision and how it came up with a totally different decision towards Sikhs? Are your scholars and courts kangaroos?

The court ruling is in public domain. I posted a link above to help if you really are interested . There is an explanation provided by the bench. Not sure why you need others to explain it to you.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The court ruling is in public domain. I posted a link above to help if you really are interested &#55357;&#56832;. There is an explanation provided by the bench. Not sure why you need others to explain it to you.

Im not asking for an explanation but a confirmation of what sources/texts were used.

Please post the Quranic texts for the ruling on Muslim women and also the same for ruling on Sikh Turbans.

Finally a confident Indian poster on this subject, looking forward to your reply.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Im not asking for an explanation but a confirmation of what sources/texts were used.

Please post the Quranic texts for the ruling on Muslim women and also the same for ruling on Sikh Turbans.

Finally a confident Indian poster on this subject, looking forward to your reply.

That should be there in the ruling. The transcripts of the court proceedings should be available as well.
Given your interest it should be a fascinating read for you

I'm guessing given your legal background and that of an islamic scholar it should be easy for you to help with the SC hearing on this subject

 

[KingKhanWC]

That should be there in the ruling. The transcripts of the court proceedings should be available as well.
Given your interest it should be a fascinating read for you

I'm guessing given your legal background and that of an islamic scholar it should be easy for you to help with the SC hearing on this subject

One doesnt need to be an expert in anything to understand Hindutva India's conclusion on its continued hate of Muslims.

Unable to find it ,so either post the texts or watch some Bollywood?

Reminder

"Please post the Quranic texts for the ruling on Muslim women and also the same for ruling on Sikh Turbans."

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

One doesnt need to be an expert in anything to understand Hindutva India's conclusion on its continued hate of Muslims.

Unable to find it ,so either post the texts or watch some Bollywood?

Reminder

"Please post the Quranic texts for the ruling on Muslim women and also the same for ruling on Sikh Turbans."

Oh bhai.. It is available in the transcripts of the court ruling. It is in public domain. Go find it and see what they have used.

Why do you need anyone to spoonfeed you?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian Muslims need to push for a Uniform Civil Code. As long as they don't Hindu and Sikh religious practices will be deemed cultural and essential and allowed, while only Muslim ones will be banned.

Indian muslims are the 1st one to resist the Uniform civil code.

 

[Clueless]

One doesnt need to be an expert in anything to understand Hindutva India's conclusion on its continued hate of Muslims.

Unable to find it ,so either post the texts or watch some Bollywood?

Reminder

"Please post the Quranic texts for the ruling on Muslim women and also the same for ruling on Sikh Turbans."

No expertise is required to be a keyboard warrior for one's own cause!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indian muslims are the 1st one to resist the Uniform civil code.

When did we ask the Sikhs to not wear the turban in schools? Just tell them to not wear the turban and see the real magic lol.

 

[MenInG]

When did we ask the Sikhs to not wear the turban in schools? Just tell them to not wear the turban and see the real magic lol.

Think magic is not the right word for this.

 

[MenInG]

Student In Hijab Offers Namaz In Madhya Pradesh College, Probe Ordered

Bhopal: A video that shows a Muslim student in hijab offering namaz in a Madya Pradesh university has led to a controversy. The video, shared on social media, shows the student offering namaz inside a classroom in Dr Harisingh Gour Sagar University, a central institution.

A right-wing group, Hindu Jagran Manch, has complained to the university administration to act against the student.

The university said it has ordered an investigation.

"A committee has been formed to investigate this. Along with this, students have been told to keep religious worship at home. The university is for studying," Vice Chancellor Neelima Gupta said.

The university's Registrar Santosh Sahgaura told news agency PTI they have got a complaint along with a video clip showing the student in hijab offering namaz inside a classroom.

"The five-member committee will submit a report within three days and action will be taken based on this," Mr Sahgaura said.

The university has no formal dress code for students on campus, but they must attend classes in "basic ethical dressing," the university's media officer Vivek Jaiswal told PTI.

The Hindu Jagran Manch's Sagar unit chief Umesh Saraf alleged the student seen in the video has been attending lectures wearing a hijab for a long time.

"Such religious activities should not be allowed in educational institutions. She has been coming in hijab for long, but she was seen offering namaz inside the classroom on Friday afternoon. This is objectionable as educational institutions are a place for every religion," Mr Saraf said.

"A complaint has been submitted to the Vice Chancellor and the Registrar," he said, and referred to the Karnataka High Court's verdict on March 15 that dismissed petitions seeking to allow wearing hijab inside classrooms.

The hijab is not an essential religious practice, the Karnataka High Court had said as it backed a ban on wearing hijab in classrooms.

The order has been challenged in the Supreme Court by Niba Naaz, a student who was not among the five who had originally petitioned against the hijab ban.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/stu...robe-ordered-2844704#pfrom=home-ndtv_bigstory

 

[finalfantasy7]

[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION]

Bumping this up as you are intent on derailing the other thread..

The education act which includes restrictions on dress code in schools has been in place since 1983. Here are other cases relevant to this discussion.

https://www.scobserver.in/journal/karnataka-government-order-on-dress-code-for-students/

Point is - why the girls who had never worn hijab before November - suddenly started wearing them.

can you please respond to my question to you on post 1300, hope you didnt do a runner

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Thats a great point, so can i ask why did they?, im assuming the report / investigation suggest why?

There are numerous articles that show the timeline of events. I would also like to know why girls who never wore the hijab before suddenly insisted that they could not attend school without it knowing that the school already had a dress code in place.

 

[Justcrazy]

I agree with the sikh turban part here. If every student is equal then even Sikhs shouldn't be allowed to wear turbans but no one has guts to go against Sikhs.

They should not either for Turban or Hijab or even Tilak . This is not stopping anyone from wearing school uniforms.

 

[silentkiller187]

Karnataka Schoolgirl Asked To Change From Burqa To Appear For Exam

Bengaluru: As Class 10 board exams began in Karnataka, a student in the state's Hubballi district was turned away for wearing the burqa and allowed to appear for the papers only after she returned, having changed into the school uniform.
Authorities said she was given extra time to change her clothes and remove the burqa.

"She had come for her exams in civil dress. She did not follow the uniform dress code and was wearing burqa. We convinced her that she has to follow the high court order. She changed and she is taking her exams now," a senior government official Dharwad Mohan Kumar said.

However, in a similar incident in Bagalkot district, a schoolgirl chose to skip the exam when asked to change out of her burqa.

With the high schools exams starting Monday, Karnataka Ministers said anyone violating the High Court ruling on hijab will not be permitted to write the tests.

According to Home Minister Araga Jnanendra, anyone violating the rules would face action.

"Whoever violates the rule will face the action. We will not compromise on it. Everyone should obey the high court order. Students have to remove the hijab and write the exam," Mr Jnanendra said.

Primary and Secondary Education Minister BC Nagesh too echoed the same sentiment.

"Police will naturally take action against anyone violating the government rules. I am confident that no child will give opportunity for such things," he said.


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He asked the students to face the exams confidently without any fear.

More than 8.74 lakh students have enrolled to appear for the exam in over 48,000 halls in 3,440 centres across the State. The last exam is on April 11.

However, some Muslim girls had threatened to "boycott" the exams in protest, news agency PTI reported.

The Karnataka High Court had ruled earlier this month that the hijab is not an essential religious practice and everyone should abide by the dress code set by their schools or colleges.

Chief Minister Basavaraj Bommai too said everyone should write the tenth standard exam and pass it.

"I wish good luck to all the students. It is an important examination. In view of COVID-19, we have made all the arrangements this year for the smooth conduct of the exam. It is our desire that everyone should appear for the exam and pass it and shape their bright future," Mr Bommai told reporters.

https://www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news...r-for-exam-2847450#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

 

[Local.Dada]

Karnataka Schoolgirl Asked To Change From Burqa To Appear For Exam


https://www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news...r-for-exam-2847450#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

Hijab I can at least understand the argument but wanting to write exams in burqa is pushing it lol.

I would have been ok if this was allowed in my time as I probably would have got some more marks

 

[MenInG]

Bengaluru: Karnataka Home Minister Araga Jnanendra on Wednesday said the video statement released by Al-Qaeda chief Ayman Al Zawahiri on the hijab row and praising student Muskaan Khan for standing in defence of headscarf and chanting 'Allah-hu-Akbar', proves involvement of "unseen hands" behind the row.

He said the Home and Police department officials are keeping a watch on developments and track things in this connection.

"We have been saying this from the beginning, and the High Court too during the hijab verdict had suggested the possibility of some unseen hands behind the hijab row...now it is proved, because Al-Qaeda people are now releasing videos," Mr Jnanendra said in response to a question on Zawahiri praising Ms Muskaan.

"How things are happening, what is the link. All these things are being looked into by the police...they will find out," he added.

At the peak of hijab row in February, Muskaan Khan, a second-year BCom student in Mandya was heckled by a group of students, wearing saffron shawl, for entering the college with hijab.

As they shouted "Jai Shri Ram", Ms Muskaan retorted by shouting "Allah-hu-Akbar." Following this, college authorities intervened and brought the situation under control.

Condemning the statement by a terror group into the internal matters, Higher Education Minister C N Ashwath Narayn said, "action will be taken against organisations and people linked to them".

He said the state government has not brought any legislation against practices of any community and was only following the law.

NDTV

 

[MenInG]

Reacting to a video statement released by Al Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahiri on the hijab row praising Karnataka college student Muskan Khan, her father on Wednesday said the comments of the terror group leader were “wrong”, and he and his family are living peacefully in India.

Mohammad Hussain Khan also said the police and Karnataka government can initiate any inquiry to ascertain the truth.

"We don't know anything about it (video), we don't know who he is. I saw him today for the first time. He has said something in Arabic.....We are all living here with love and trust like brothers," news agency PTI quoted Khan as saying.

When asked about Zawahiri praising Muskan, Khan replied, "People say whatever they want....this is unnecessarily causing trouble. We are living peacefully in our country, we don't want him to talk about us, as he is not related to us... it is wrong, it is an attempt to create division among us."

Zawahiri, who was rumoured to be dead in 2020, resurfaced in a nine-minute video released by As-Sahab media, on Tuesday.

As-Sahab is the official media wing of Al Qaeda. Zawahiri’s video was verified by SITE Intelligence, an American non-governmental organisation that tracks online activity of white supremacist and jihadist organisations.

In the video titled ‘the Noble Woman of India’, Zawahiri chimed into the hijab row which originated in Karnataka and praised Bibi Muskan Zainab Khan, a college student from Udupi who took a prominent part in pro-hijab protests and became known for shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ slogans to counter a group of boys who were chanting ‘Jai Shree Ram’.

Zawahiri said in the video that Indian Muslims should "react to this oppression". He has supposedly stayed on top of developments in India through social media, and said he was so impressed with the video of Muskan that he penned a poem for her. Calling her ‘sister’, Zawahiri said he was moved by her raising "cries of Takbeer".

This was the Jihadi veteran's first video in five months. He also called out countries that had banned the hijab, slamming Pakistan and Bangladesh for being ‘allies of the West’.

Reacting to the video, Karnataka home minister Araga Jnanendra said, it proves the involvement of "unseen hands" behind the row. He said the home and police department officials are keeping a watch on developments and tracking things in this connection.

Assam chief minister Himanta Biswa Sarma said Al Qaeda will never understand the importance of wearing uniforms in educational institutions. Supporting the stand of the Indian judiciary on banning wearing hijabs in schools and colleges, Sarma said they will become a platform for the display of religious clothes.

"The Karnataka High Court gave a clear verdict that it's not expected of a student to wear something else except hijab," he told media persons when asked about the video.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/citi...r-al-qaeda-chief-s-video-101649264289893.html

 

[silentkiller187]

Udupi, Karnataka: In another dramatic development in the Karnataka Hijab ban row, the two students who had first petitioned the court to allow Hijab inside classrooms were today turned away from the examination centre of their final class 12 board examination after they insisted on taking the exams wearing burqas. Aliya Assadi and Resham had collected their hall tickets and turned up donning burqas to take the exams at the Vidyodaya PU College in Udupi. They tried to convince the invigilators and the college principal for around 45 minutes but were eventually not allowed any exception to the court order upholding the state government's ban. They were then seen quietly leaving the premises without taking the exams.

The exam which began on Friday will go on till May 18. The first paper was Business Studies. Over 6.84 lakh students will write the exam at 1,076 centres across the state. The exams will be held at 1,076 centres across the state amid tight security with cops deployed at various centres to ensure there are no untoward incidents with regard to students following the dress code.

The state Education Minister BC Nagesh has categorically said that students won't be allowed to take their exams in the hijab. This comes in the wake of many Muslim female students requesting the Minister to allow them to wear their hijabs during the final exams.

Many Muslim girls who turned up at the examination wearing hijab said they will remove it inside the separate enclosure and will wear it again after the exam is over.

"Hijab is important and so is writing and passing the exam. Our future depends on our exam results," a Muslim girl student told reporters in Bengaluru, news agency PTI reported.

17-year-old Aliya Assadi who is at the forefront of the battle against the state's Hijab ban had last week made a renewed appeal to Chief Minister Basavaraj Bommai saying that he still had a chance "to stop our future from getting ruined".

In her appeal, Aliya, who is a state-level Karate champion, said the ban on hijab or headscarves will affect many students who want to appear in the Pre-University exams.

"You still have a chance to stop our future from getting ruined. You can make a decision to allow us to write exams wearing hijab. Please consider this. We are the future of this country," she had tweeted.


The Karnataka High Court on March 15 dismissed petitions seeking permission to wear hijab inside the classroom. Upholding the state ban, the court had said that wearing a hijab "is not an essential religious practice of Islam" and that the uniform dress rule should be followed in educational institutions where it has been prescribed.

Last month, over 40 Muslim girl students from Udupi in coastal Karnataka abstained from appearing for the first pre-university examination as they were apparently hurt by the High Court verdict.


The girls had earlier boycotted the practical examinations as well.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/two...e-premises-2909571#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

 

[Lego20]

Proves they are just political activists and just want to create outrage and disturbances. As a sincere student, I would rather take the exam especially now that it is settled in court.

Leftists entitled miscreants getting exposed everyday.

 

[Lego20]

Reacting to a video statement released by Al Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahiri on the hijab row praising Karnataka college student Muskan Khan, her father on Wednesday said the comments of the terror group leader were “wrong”, and he and his family are living peacefully in India.

What a proud achievement receiving accolades from a legend (for some).

 

[KingKhanWC]

What a proud achievement receiving accolades from a legend (for some).

West believes he is dead.

Seems like the Hindu newspaper pushing them to be extremists.

Good on the girls for sticking to their faith or beliefs.

In India the extremist Hindus are stopping people from eating beef, wearing their religous attire and demanding everyone sing Jai Sri Ram. Idiots need to accept people will not bow down to them.

 

[James]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A US panel is calling for targeted sanctions against India over alleged abuses as the state of religious freedom worsens <a href="https://t.co/iPVMidoOgf">https://t.co/iPVMidoOgf</a> <a href="https://t.co/FbjBRbGmCO">pic.twitter.com/FbjBRbGmCO</a></p>— Al Jazeera English (@AJEnglish) <a href="https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1518677499173027842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<b>AlJazeera

Religious freedom in India ‘significantly worsened’: US panel</b>

<I>For third straight year, US commission recommends adding India to religious freedom blacklist over alleged abuses.</I>

The state of religious freedom in India “significantly worsened” last year, a United States panel has said, calling for targeted sanctions against the country over alleged abuses.

In its annual report released on Monday, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) urged the State Department for the third straight year to place India on the US list of “countries of particular concern”.

The independent bipartisan panel accused India of “engaging in and tolerating systematic, ongoing, and egregious violations of religious freedom”.

The USCIRF puts forward recommendations and documents alleged abuses, but the State Department ultimately makes the decision on the religious freedom blacklist.

“During the year, the Indian government escalated its promotion and enforcement of policies—including those promoting a Hindu-nationalist agenda—that negatively affect Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Dalits, and other religious minorities,” the report (PDF) said.

“The government continued to systemize its ideological vision of a Hindu state at both the national and state levels through the use of both existing and new laws and structural changes hostile to the country’s religious minorities.”

India has previously rejected the commission’s recommendation to blacklist the country over alleged violations of religious freedom, calling its findings “biased”.

Monday’s report comes as US officials say they are seeking “maximum alignment” with India over Russia policy and the war in Ukraine. Washington has also been strengthening ties with New Delhi amid growing competition with China.

US President Joe Biden held a virtual meeting with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi earlier this month and the two leaders are set to meet in Tokyo next month as part of a summit for the leaders of the Asia-Pacific “Quad” alliance, which also includes Japan and Australia.

Still, the USCIRF on Monday accused India of repressing human rights defenders from religious minorities.

The commission hit out against the Indian government over a citizenship law that fast-tracks naturalisation for non-Muslims, calling it “discriminatory”, while also slamming anti-religious conversion laws that it said target interfaith marriages in some states.

“Government action, including the continued enforcement of anti-conversion laws against non-Hindus, has created a culture of impunity for nationwide campaigns of threats and violence by mobs and vigilante groups, including against Muslims and Christians accused of conversion activities,” the report reads.

India’s Muslim minority has been facing mob violence and attacks by right-wing Hindu groups.

Separately, the USCIRF called for designating Afghanistan as a “country of particular concern” (CPC) after the Taliban takeover.

The current US State Department religious freedom blacklist consists of China, Eritrea, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan.

“USCIRF typically recommends more countries be designated as CPCs than the State Department will designate,” Nadine Maenza, the commission’s chair, told Al Jazeera last year. “Part of the discrepancy is because USCIRF can focus on religious freedom conditions alone without needing to balance other bilateral issues.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/25/religious-freedom-in-india-significantly-worsened-us-panel?sf163887664=1

 

[KingKhanWC]

I doubt any sanctions will take place while India is a vessal of the Americans.

Sadly this will only get worse, Hindu extremists are hell bent of hurting/attacking Muslims in some sort of sick revenge due to being ruled by Muslims for centruries.

 

[cricketjoshila]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A US panel is calling for targeted sanctions against India over alleged abuses as the state of religious freedom worsens <a href="https://t.co/iPVMidoOgf">https://t.co/iPVMidoOgf</a> <a href="https://t.co/FbjBRbGmCO">pic.twitter.com/FbjBRbGmCO</a></p>— Al Jazeera English (@AJEnglish) <a href="https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1518677499173027842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol. USCRIF isn't even allowed to step into India since 15 years. India doesn't recognise any other country's interferences in India.

The state department has rejected this demand of USCRIF previously too.




Religious freedom blacklist consists of China, Eritrea, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I doubt any sanctions will take place while India is a vessal of the Americans.

Sadly this will only get worse, Hindu extremists are hell bent of hurting/attacking Muslims in some sort of sick revenge due to being ruled by Muslims for centruries.

According to your ex pm imran, US removed him from power. I wonder who is the vassal?

Those used to privilege will find equal rights oppressive.

 

[MenInG]

Washington: A Hindu body in Washington has called the USCIRF report on religious freedom a work of "Hinduphobic" commission members while Muslim and Christian groups hailed the observations made in it, demanding that the US declare India as a "country of particular concern".

The US Commission for International Religious Freedom or USCIRF report recommended to the Biden Administration to designate India, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan and 11 other nations as "countries of particular concern" in the context of religious freedom.

The recommendations are not binding on the US government.

HinduPACT, an initiative of the World Hindu Council of America, in a statement alleged that the USCIRF has been taken over by "Indophobic and Hinduphobic members".

The American Muslim Institution (AMI) and its associate organisations applaud the USCIRF recommendation, saying religious freedom conditions in India "significantly worsened" in 2021.

The Federation of Indian-American Christian Organisations and the Indian-American Muslim Council in separate statements reportedly applauded the USCIRF recommendation.

During a special virtual congressional briefing, a day after the release of the report, USCIRF Commissioner Anurima Bhargava had alleged that Indian government officials were tolerating and engaging in religious persecution of Muslims and Christians with prolific mob violence.

India has dismissed such allegations. Senior US government officials have told lawmakers that India has a vibrant civil society, an independent judiciary and a mature functional democracy, which has enough mechanisms to address the internal human rights concerns if any.

HinduPACT in a statement slammed the USCIRF.

"This year's report follows a pattern of reports that have appeared in previous years. Based on publicly available information on topics like the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) and Kashmir, the USCIRF report is a copy-and-paste of talking points peddled by an agglomeration of Islamist groups working with radical Islamist group Justice for All on whose platform USCIRF commissioners appear regularly," alleged Utsav Chakrabarti, executive director of HinduPACT.

"It is now obvious that the USCIRF has been taken over by the Indophobic and Hinduphobic members. Many of these members have attended India and Hindu bashing events. It is no surprise that their selective observations are meant to promote a political agenda and further their electoral reach in select communities," said Ajay Shah, president of the World Hindu Council of America (VHPA).

In a statement, Koshy George, Federation of Indian-American Christian Organisations, recommended that the President and the US Administration accept the USCIRF recommendations and name India as a "country of particular concern" while it could still help protect American interests in that region for the long-term.

"This could also go a long way in helping the Union of India remain a functioning liberal democracy with respect for all religious and linguistic minorities," he said.

Indian-American Muslim Council executive director Rasheed Ahmed said they commend the USCIRF for "refusing to cave in to the lobbying of US-based right-wing Hindu nationalist groups and making clear that the ground reality of minorities in India is of constant harassment and violence".

"Given the damning information presented in this report, US State Department officials must now act on the recommendations made by the USCIRF by officially designating India as a CPC and by imposing targeted sanctions upon the Indian government to hold officials responsible for encouraging hate," said Syed Afzal Ali, president of the IAMC.

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[PakLFC]

[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION]

Bumping this up as you are intent on derailing the other thread..

The education act which includes restrictions on dress code in schools has been in place since 1983. Here are other cases relevant to this discussion.

https://www.scobserver.in/journal/karnataka-government-order-on-dress-code-for-students/

Point is - why the girls who had never worn hijab before November - suddenly started wearing them.

Bumping nothing! I have seen Hindu students in India praying and doing their thing in schools. Your girls weat that dot on their foreheads too that should also be banned. Seeing what is happening in India everyone knows it is on the verge of a Muslim genocide. As for ladies now observing hijab I had a fashionable beard but now go clean shaven. If the west don't have a problem with hijab in schools then why does India?

 

[Kroll]

Not been in this thread for a while, so are Hindutva extremists still attacking school girls and elderly mentally disabled men?

 

[MenInG]

Petitions challenging the Karnataka hijab ban led to a split verdict in the Supreme Court today. Justice Hemant Gupta dismissed the petitions against the hijab ban, while Justice Sudhanshu Dhulia allowed them.

Here's your 10-point cheatsheet to this big story:

"It's ultimately a matter of choice and nothing else. One thing which was topmost for me was education of the girl child," said Justice Dhulia.
"There is divergence of opinion," said Justice Gupta, who framed and answered 11 questions in his judgment for dismissing the plea. He said he agrees with the Karnataka High Court's order.

The Karnataka High Court had refused to lift the ban on hijab - headscarves worn by some Muslim women - in schools and colleges. Today, a Karnataka minister said the hijab ban stays valid despite the split verdict.

Some of the questions and answers that Justice Gupta cited before dismissing the pleas, according to the legal news website Bar and Bench, include whether the government order has infringed upon the fundamental right of students and whether wearing the hijab is an essential religious practice under Islam. "The answer, according to me, is against the appellant. I dismiss the appeal," Justice Gupta said.

The Supreme Court division bench then said the matter will be placed before the Chief Justice of India for hearing by a three-judge bench.
The BJP-ruled state government banned students from wearing hijab on campus on February 5. "We welcome the judgment of the Supreme Court. But I had expected an order today. The matter will go to a larger bench. As of now, the Karnataka government's no-hijab rule on campus stays valid," state Education Minister BC Nagesh said.

It was challenged by Muslim girl students in the Karnataka High Court. On March 15, the high court dismissed petitions filed by some Muslim students of Government Pre-University Girls College in Karnataka's Udupi.

The high court ruled that the students' request to wear the hijab inside classrooms was not a part of the essential religious practice in Islamic faith.

The split verdict in the Supreme Court today came after the bench of Justices Gupta and Dhulia reserved its judgement on the pleas on September 22. The bench had heard arguments for 10 days before it reserved its verdict.

Lawyers appearing for the petitioners had insisted that preventing the Muslim girls from wearing the hijab to the classroom will jeopardise their education as they might stop attending classes. The lawyers appearing for the state had argued that the Karnataka government order that sparked the controversy was "religion neutral".

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[ex-q-zit]

No Proposal To Open Colleges For Muslim Women: Karnataka Chief Minister

Bengaluru: Rejecting reports that the Karnataka government has given consent to the Wakf Board to open 10 colleges for Muslim women students in the state, Chief Minister Basavaraj Bommai on Thursday said no such discussions have taken place at any level of his administration.

As the topic drew ire from some Right wing groups, the Chief Minister clarified that it might be the personal view of the Wakf board Chairman and not the stand of his government. "...I don't know, it might be his (Wakf Chairman) personal view. It has not been discussed in any quarters of our government and it is not the stand of my government. If anything is there, let the Wakf Chairman come and speak to me," Mr Bommai said in response to a question.

Karnataka Minister for Haj and Wakf Shashikala Jolle too has issued a statement clarifying that there was no proposal or file before the government regarding starting separate colleges for Muslim women.

Terming reports that the government has already given its approval for stating such colleges as "far from the truth", she said, "the statement in this regard by the Wakf board Chairman is his personal one. I have already spoken to the Wakf board Chairman and have asked him to issue a clarification regarding the speculations which have arisen."

Karnataka Wakf Board Chairman Maulana Shafti Saadi had recently said that it has been decided to start 10 colleges for girls in various districts in the state at a cost of Rs 2.5 crore per college, and the Chief Minister and Minister Jolle had given in principle consent to this project.

The new colleges will be opened in Dakshina Kannada, Shivamogga, Kodagu, Chikkodi, Nippani, Kalaburagi, Bijapur, Bagalkote among other places in the State, he had said, adding that after the Hijab controversy, there has been demand from the Muslim community for women colleges to be started by Wakf Board, and they had even met Union Minister for Women and Child Development Smriti Irani in this regard.

However, Mr Saadi said on Thursday the discussions have taken place at the Wakf Board level and the matter has not reached the government yet. "The proposal is still getting ready and will be sent to the government in the days to come."

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[ex-q-zit]

Video Of Students Dancing In Burqa Leads To Karnataka College Suspension

An engineering college in Karnataka has suspended four students who danced wearing burqas at a programme. In a video of the event, the four students can be seen dancing on stage to a popular Bollywood dance song while the audience applauds and cheers them on. The event was organised by the student association in the college on Wednesday.

The video, from St. Joseph Engineering College in Mangaluru, went viral on social media, after which the Principal of the college suspended the students and initiated an enquiry.

The college, in a statement, said the dance was by Muslim students who "barged on stage" during the informal part of the students' association inaugural.

"It was not part of the approved program and the students involved have been suspended pending enquiry. The college does not support or condone any activities that could harm the harmony between communities and everyone," it said.

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