"Wearing Hijab Is Indiscipline": Karnataka Minister On Students' Protest

[LaLoco]

If something isnt mandatory, it isn't protected by article 25 of the constitution.

Good that you are happy with where you live. But if you are so happy why is that you are so interested in India.

You want to promote bigotry without any consequences?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You want to promote bigotry without any consequences?

What consequences will you or whichever country you live in make the Indians or India face?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

To answer your questions.

No even later is not an issue. If anyone tells you that later is an issue, they are lying.

Who is lying and where are they lying?

YT is full of videos of naked Hindu Babas all over in India that live in the open public. Is youtube lying?

I mean for goodness sake, a naked man is addressing your parliament.

I don't think public nudity is an issue in India. People seem to love n worship naked gurus.

And you think that those who don't cover hair are improper?

No, I don't think that. I think they should have a choice to decide whether they want to cover their hair or not. It's very simple basic logic that you folks are having a hard time to understand due to deeply ingrained hatred towards a certain faith.

 

[Local.Dada]

To answer your questions.



Who is lying and where are they lying?

YT is full of videos of naked Hindu Babas all over in India that live in the open public. Is youtube lying?

I mean for goodness sake, a naked man is addressing your parliament.

I don't think public nudity is an issue in India. People seem to love n worship naked gurus.



No, I don't think that. I think they should have a choice to decide whether they want to cover their hair or not. It's very simple basic logic that you folks are having a hard time to understand due to deeply ingrained hatred towards a certain faith.

Those naked babas don’t go to school or college and trust me if someone says he is a baba and wants to attend school naked either he will be arrested or declared mentally unstable.

Just like in some parts of Muslim majority areas Even more so in rural areas women do wear burkhas and no one has ever made a big deal about it.

Tomorrow if some Muslim or Hindu for the matter of fact work in a profession that requires a uniform and a code, they have to adhere to it.

Imagine a Muslim women working in intelligence Which requires to be discreet suddenly makes a hue and cry about wearing a hijab. Just an example but you get the point.

Schools are the groundwork to instill that kind of work ethic and discipline. That’s the point of a uniform.

The government of india hasn’t banned hijab. It’s an institutional dress code that is causing an issue here.

The fact that some Muslim parents of these kids are making such a huge deal about it shows where the priorities are.

Sorry to sound harsh but there is always the option of madrasas if main stream institutions don’t cater to your sensibilities. We are a free country after all.

 

[MenInG]

Bengaluru: Schools can reopen for Classes 9 and 10 in Karnataka from Monday, the state government said today, three days after they were shut down amid a row over wearing hijab by students. Whether to allow pre-university, or PU, colleges for Classes 11 and 12 to reopen will be decided later. No decision has been taken yet for universities and higher education colleges.

Students till Classes 8 were, however, allowed to attend school as the shutdown affected only higher classes.

Chief Minister Basavaraj S Bommai had ordered all high schools and colleges to remain shut "to maintain peace and harmony" after separate groups of students marched to their colleges wearing saffron scarves and hijab.

The hijab protests began last month at the Government Girls PU College in Udupi when six students alleged that they had been barred from classes for insisting on wearing the headscarf. Right-wing groups in Udupi and Chikkamagaluru objected to Muslim girls wearing the hijab to class.

The Karnataka High Court is hearing petitions filed by five women from a government college in Udupi, questioning hijab restrictions.

The high court will continue hearing the matter on Monday. The court has asked students and the public at large to maintain peace.

NDTV

 

[Lego20]

After a lot of vitriol, we get to the crux of the reason behind your posts in favour of retracting women rights.

For you its really nothing about uniforms, Sikhs, court rulings - it's a manifestation of your belief about Muslims that allows you to tolerate double standards and discrimination.

The question was why are muslims being demonized. Now re-read my response.

But, whatever floats your boat - even if you think I am a hater of your religion.

 

[Major]

For all those Pakistanis hyped up and bashing India here.....

In my university, i wasnt allowed to wear shorts. There were even rules that a guys T-shirt should not have text aswel. Girls weren't allowed to wear leggings and the university even had issues with sleeveless or certain type of shirts worn by girls.

We had to live with the stupid rules.

Point being, when things back home are ridiculous than why bash the Indians....

Just because its related to religion it becomes serious? But what about common sense where institutions should not be banning students from what they wear?

On this issue, a person who lives in the west has the right to voice his opinion, but Pakistanis dont. We ourselves have such ridiculous rules and we never talk about them here.

In our country these dressing rules exists because for some odd reason, it goes against our culture......

 

[Maher96]

Please can we refrain from personal attacks to Individuals and stay on topic. Thanks

 

[Colorblind Genius]

For all those Pakistanis hyped up and bashing India here.....

In my university, i wasnt allowed to wear shorts. There were even rules that a guys T-shirt should not have text aswel. Girls weren't allowed to wear leggings and the university even had issues with sleeveless or certain type of shirts worn by girls.

We had to live with the stupid rules.

Point being, when things back home are ridiculous than why bash the Indians....

Just because its related to religion it becomes serious? But what about common sense where institutions should not be banning students from what they wear?

On this issue, a person who lives in the west has the right to voice his opinion, but Pakistanis dont. We ourselves have such ridiculous rules and we never talk about them here.

In our country these dressing rules exists because for some odd reason, it goes against our culture......

Comparing oranges to apples.

Come back to us, when you have an experience where a female was STOPPED from wearing Hijab in a public Pakistani School or University - This is the topic we are talking about. Try to use some basic common sense and see if you get the point of this entire thread.

 

[Major]

Another Mamoon in making - comparing oranges to apples.

Come back to us, when you have an experience where a female was STOPPED from wearing Hijab in a public Pakistani School or University - This is the topic we are talking about. Try to use some basic common sense and see if you get the point of this entire thread.

so because its hijab you are angry? But other pieces of clothing can be or allowed to be ban.

If you ban certain clothing types than you have no right to cry when other countries ban clothing's which they dont like.

At the end of the day the same practice is what you(pakistan) are doing. Only issue is which type.

Because Bhurka is considered part of the religion this is why we feel angry.

I like wearing shorts, many females like to wear leggings, but hey they are banned and no one cares about it.

Why not stand up for freedom of wearing what you want instead of just standing up for clothing that only suits your religion?

 

[LaLoco]

so because its hijab you are angry? But other pieces of clothing can be or allowed to be ban.

If you ban certain clothing types than you have no right to cry when other countries ban clothing's which they dont like.

At the end of the day the same practice is what you(pakistan) are doing. Only issue is which type.

Because Bhurka is considered part of the religion this is why we feel angry.

I like wearing shorts, many females like to wear leggings, but hey they are banned and no one cares about it.

Why not stand up for freedom of wearing what you want instead of just standing up for clothing that only suits your religion?

You are really equating shorts with Hijab? lol

I get it, you want to appear different than the rest of the Pakistani but come on man, at least present it better than this.

 

[Major]

You are really equating shorts with Hijab? lol

I get it, you want to appear different than the rest of the Pakistani but come on man, at least present it better than this.

I aint surprised you missed the whole point as usual.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

so because its hijab you are angry? But other pieces of clothing can be or allowed to be ban.

If you ban certain clothing types than you have no right to cry when other countries ban clothing's which they dont like.

At the end of the day the same practice is what you(pakistan) are doing. Only issue is which type.

Because Bhurka is considered part of the religion this is why we feel angry.

I like wearing shorts, many females like to wear leggings, but hey they are banned and no one cares about it.

Why not stand up for freedom of wearing what you want instead of just standing up for clothing that only suits your religion?

What you wear or don't wear may result in public decency or the lack of it.

The definition of "public decency" varies from culture to culture and society to society.

Wearing a hijab (an article of clothing) does NOT lead to pose a threat to public decency in almost all cases, in almost all societies and in almost all countries.

Wearing shorts (another article of clothing), on the other hand in many many cultures is acceptable, but there are also quite a few societies and cultures where wearing short is not happily acceptable because it poses a question on the "public decency" of that culture and that society.

Take for example a female - who wants to wear a bikini to a local beach - now YOU may be OK with it, and I get it - but the "public decency's" threshold in the society you both live in, may not happily allow it. Did you follow?

 

[LaLoco]

I aint surprised you missed the whole point as usual.

I am not surprised you made that point

equating shorts wearing with Hijab -lol - bhai, could have used better example to get brownies points.

CG has explained it quite nicely.

 

[Major]

What you wear or don't wear may result in public decency or the lack of it.

The definition of "public decency" varies from culture to culture and society to society.

Wearing a hijab (an article of clothing) does NOT lead to pose a threat to public decency in almost all cases, in almost all societies and in almost all countries.

Wearing shorts (another article of clothing), on the other hand in many many cultures is acceptable, but there are also quite a few societies and cultures where wearing short is not happily acceptable because it poses a question on the "public decency" of that culture and that society.

Take for example a female - who wants to wear a bikini to a local beach - now YOU may be OK with it, and I get it - but the "public decency's" threshold in the society you both live in, may not happily allow it. Did you follow?

If you are going to present the argument of public decency regarding shorts and leggings, than dont be surprise or feel outrage when countries like India ban hijab on the basis of public decency that people hiding their faces....

It makes no sense to be dictating to society that you can wear this or that, and same way feeling outraged with bhurka ban but at the same time ban shorts, leggings and T shirts because to you it feels indecent.

The argument is flawed, which is why Pakistanis who support bans on clothing in their country dont have a right to say anything here

 

[LaLoco]

If you are going to present the argument of public decency regarding shorts and leggings, than dont be surprise or feel outrage when countries like India ban hijab on the basis of public decency that people hiding their faces....

It makes no sense to be dictating to society that you can wear this or that, and same way feeling outraged with bhurka ban but at the same time ban shorts, leggings and T shirts because to you it feels indecent.

The argument is flawed, which is why Pakistanis who support bans on clothing in their country dont have a right to say anything here

Hijab hides face?
lol -

Later, you are on something else today.

 

[Kroll]

What you wear or don't wear may result in public decency or the lack of it.

The definition of "public decency" varies from culture to culture and society to society.

Wearing a hijab (an article of clothing) does NOT lead to pose a threat to public decency in almost all cases, in almost all societies and in almost all countries.

Wearing shorts (another article of clothing), on the other hand in many many cultures is acceptable, but there are also quite a few societies and cultures where wearing short is not happily acceptable because it poses a question on the "public decency" of that culture and that society.

Take for example a female - who wants to wear a bikini to a local beach - now YOU may be OK with it, and I get it - but the "public decency's" threshold in the society you both live in, may not happily allow it. Did you follow?

Also, he was talking about an educational institution where said institution deems wearing shorts is not appropriate for that environment.

Similarly, most work places and other formal settings would not deem the wearing of shorts acceptable either.

But shorts? Bit of a bizarre example.

 

[Kroll]

Thats because some muslims (like this girl, if she is breaking rules) feel entitled to unreasonable special privileges. That hasnt been the case with "any" other community.

Dont mean to pollute this thread, but there have been many such instances of unrest with Muslims even in more liberal western democratic countries on the same lines. So nothing surprising in that sense.

That's a terrible assumption to be making about a whole spectrum of people. You have a lot of growing up to do my friend.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

If you are going to present the argument of public decency regarding shorts and leggings, than dont be surprise or feel outrage when countries like India ban hijab on the basis of public decency that people hiding their faces....

It makes no sense to be dictating to society that you can wear this or that, and same way feeling outraged with bhurka ban but at the same time ban shorts, leggings and T shirts because to you it feels indecent.

The argument is flawed, which is why Pakistanis who support bans on clothing in their country dont have a right to say anything here

When you interact with the social norms of a society and culture, that you live in, then there is a potential impact of that culture on what YOU want and what YOU don't want. Social norms of that society/culture WILL have a say when you break the threshold of public decency of those social norms - otherwise where you draw the line?
Can you wear a shorts in the current Afghanistan public? Probably not because you may be crossing the threshold of public decency of that culture - and if nothing else, you will have a bunch of bacha baaz people follow you. See?

 

[Major]

When you interact with the social norms of a society and culture, that you live in, then there is a potential impact of that culture on what YOU want and what YOU don't want. Social norms of that society/culture WILL have a say when you break the threshold of public decency of those social norms - otherwise where you draw the line?
Can you wear a shorts in the current Afghanistan public? Probably not because you may be crossing the threshold of public decency of that culture - and if nothing else, you will have a bunch of bacha baaz people follow you. See?

Your bacha bazi argument is as flawed as someone saying cover up or you will be raped..

Let me remind you that shorts and leggings and t shirts arnt problem to wear in public, problem arises when you wear them to a uni just like this Bhurka issue

The argument that you are presenting can easily be given by an Indian here on the basis of a fellow person face cannot be seen not knowing who that person is.

I am not supporting the ban, i support the idea of having the freedom to wear what you want.

But you cant pick and choose your outrage as its just hypocrisy.

 

[Major]

Also, he was talking about an educational institution where said institution deems wearing shorts is not appropriate for that environment.

Similarly, most work places and other formal settings would not deem the wearing of shorts acceptable either.

But shorts? Bit of a bizarre example.

there is a difference between educational intuition and formal work settings...

In the west, a University student doesnt get reprimanded for wearing shorts, leggings or even Tshirts

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Your bacha bazi argument is as flawed as someone saying cover up or you will be raped..

Let me remind you that shorts and leggings and t shirts arnt problem to wear in public, problem arises when you wear them to a uni just like this Bhurka issue

The argument that you are presenting can easily be given by an Indian here on the basis of a fellow person face cannot be seen not knowing who that person is.

I am not supporting the ban, i support the idea of having the freedom to wear what you want.

But you cant pick and choose your outrage as its just hypocrisy.

We are not talking covering the face, are we?
Looks like you are totally lost and can't differentiate the difference between a Hijab and a Niqab.

And if some Indians jump on your bandwagon and support the idea that "wearing a HIJAB" (female cover the head) poses a threat to their "public decency" - then they all miserably fail the hypocrisy test that you are talking about - because the example of naked babas in their open public is on their face, since that ACTUALLY poses a threat to ANY public decency of ANY country and ANY society of the world.

 

[Major]

We are not talking covering the face, are we?
Looks like you are totally lost and can't differentiate the difference between a Hijab and a Niqab.

And if some Indians jump on your bandwagon and support the idea that "wearing a HIJAB" (female cover the head) poses a threat to their "public decency" - then they all miserably fail the hypocrisy test that you are talking about - because the example of naked babas in their open public is on their face, since that ACTUALLY poses a threat to ANY public decency of ANY country and ANY society of the world.

like i said earlier,

picking and choosing what to be outraged about instead of accepting the whole idea of freedom to wear what you want.

 

[IMMY69]

Omg this thread has taken a complete left turn.

We are taking about a school and a uniform.
Wearing shorts would be against the uniform.
Covering your hair is not against the uniform.

Girls in zen gland wear hijabs even in schools that have a uniform and no one objects to it.

So the question is why would a school stop a girl or girls from covering their hair?
No Indian poster has answered this question.

 

[LaLoco]

We are not talking covering the face, are we?
Looks like you are totally lost and can't differentiate the difference between a Hijab and a Niqab.

And if some Indians jump on your bandwagon and support the idea that "wearing a HIJAB" (female cover the head) poses a threat to their "public decency" - then they all miserably fail the hypocrisy test that you are talking about - because the example of naked babas in their open public is on their face, since that ACTUALLY poses a threat to ANY public decency of ANY country and ANY society of the world.

Waste of time, it is evident, [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] is intentionally ignoring the concept of public decency because there is no counter argument for that.

Pakistan is not USA.
USA is not Pakistan.

Different culture, different society and different threshold for public decency and despite having more leniency on public decency in the US, no one at work nor school are allow to wear too revealing and offensive but everyone is allowed to wear religious attire on designated uniform - a true form of secularism.

Equating Hijab with shorts should have been a cue to walk away.

 

[LaLoco]

Omg this thread has taken a complete left turn.

We are taking about a school and a uniform.
Wearing shorts would be against the uniform.
Covering your hair is not against the uniform.

Girls in zen gland wear hijabs even in schools that have a uniform and no one objects to it.

So the question is why would a school stop a girl or girls from covering their hair?
No Indian poster has answered this question.

Hey! the person at least tried

 

[IMMY69]

Hey! the person at least tried

The problem is he tries too hard and won't back down even if he sounds foolish.

 

[Lego20]

That's a terrible assumption to be making about a whole spectrum of people. You have a lot of growing up to do my friend.

I invite you to do the stats in India and around the world. Will be happy to learn if otherwise.

 

[Local.Dada]

Omg this thread has taken a complete left turn.

We are taking about a school and a uniform.
Wearing shorts would be against the uniform.
Covering your hair is not against the uniform.

Girls in zen gland wear hijabs even in schools that have a uniform and no one objects to it.

So the question is why would a school stop a girl or girls from covering their hair?
No Indian poster has answered this question.

Let me simply it for you.

I was not allowed in a club once because I was wearing flip flops and they had a shoe only policy. Should I sue them? Their business/institution their rules.

If a girl wants to only wear her traditional garb there are schools that have only that kind of dress as a uniform.

You attended an institute you abide by its rules. Why is this concept so hard to grasp.

Now if this was a government mandated that women can’t wear hijab in religious places,public places or home you would have had a point.

People have explained this multiple times in various tones and words on this very forum. Why this is so
Confusing for some is beyond me.

I thought most people here live in countries where English is the primary language.

 

[Itachi]

Waste of time, it is evident, [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] is intentionally ignoring the concept of public decency because there is no counter argument for that.

Pakistan is not USA.
USA is not Pakistan.

Different culture, different society and different threshold for public decency and despite having more leniency on public decency in the US, no one at work nor school are allow to wear too revealing and offensive but everyone is allowed to wear religious attire on designated uniform - a true form of secularism.

Equating Hijab with shorts should have been a cue to walk away.

.... And India is not Pakistan.

Different culture, different society, different threshold for religion.

Your post actually echoes what major wrote about hypocrisy in picking outrages.

 

[LaLoco]

Let me simply it for you.

I was not allowed in a club once because I was wearing flip flops and they had a shoe only policy. Should I sue them? Their business/institution their rules.

If a girl wants to only wear her traditional garb there are schools that have only that kind of dress as a uniform.

You attended an institute you abide by its rules. Why is this concept so hard to grasp.

Now if this was a government mandated that women can’t wear hijab in religious places,public places or home you would have had a point.

People have explained this multiple times in various tones and words on this very forum. Why this is so
Confusing for some is beyond me.

I thought most people here live in countries where English is the primary language.

Irony just died thousand deaths here.

 

[LaLoco]

.... And India is not Pakistan.

Different culture, different society, different threshold for religion.

Your post actually echoes what major wrote about hypocrisy in picking outrages.

quite evident lol

 

[Lego20]

Let me simply it for you.

I was not allowed in a club once because I was wearing flip flops and they had a shoe only policy. Should I sue them? Their business/institution their rules.

If a girl wants to only wear her traditional garb there are schools that have only that kind of dress as a uniform.

You attended an institute you abide by its rules. Why is this concept so hard to grasp.

Now if this was a government mandated that women can’t wear hijab in religious places,public places or home you would have had a point.

People have explained this multiple times in various tones and words on this very forum. Why this is so
Confusing for some is beyond me.

I thought most people here live in countries where English is the primary language.

Some people assume a lot of fluidity in "rules" and "code". They just need to see why there is a strict code in so many domains - police, cricket, socker etc. Or may be it is specific to India that we have strict dress code in schools. It is what it is. Even Hindus (and pupils from other religion) have been penalized/punished for violating the dress code. But hey, it wont be fun if we dont make this communal, would it? and conclude with the usual undertones and prejudices.

 

[IMMY69]

Let me simply it for you.

I was not allowed in a club once because I was wearing flip flops and they had a shoe only policy. Should I sue them? Their business/institution their rules.

If a girl wants to only wear her traditional garb there are schools that have only that kind of dress as a uniform.

You attended an institute you abide by its rules. Why is this concept so hard to grasp.

Now if this was a government mandated that women can’t wear hijab in religious places,public places or home you would have had a point.

People have explained this multiple times in various tones and words on this very forum. Why this is so
Confusing for some is beyond me.

I thought most people here live in countries where English is the primary language.

So why is it that schools in England have no issues with girls wearing a hijab but schools in India do?
Forget about rules and laws just answer this question.

 

[IMMY69]

Some people assume a lot of fluidity in "rules" and "code". They just need to see why there is a strict code in so many domains - police, cricket, socker etc. Or may be it is specific to India that we have strict dress code in schools. It is what it is. Even Hindus (and pupils from other religion) have been penalized/punished for violating the dress code. But hey, it wont be fun if we dont make this communal, would it? and conclude with the usual undertones and prejudices.

Why is it a problem?
Why can't a girl just be allowed to wear a hijab?
What is the problem here?

It's just covering the hair...

 

[Lego20]

Why is it a problem?
Why can't a girl just be allowed to wear a hijab?
What is the problem here?

It's just covering the hair...

Personally, I do agree. However, rules are for all. I wish I was allowed to speed at 100mph. But have to abide the limits.

 

[LaLoco]

Personally, I do agree. However, rules are for all. I wish I was allowed to speed at 100mph. But have to abide the limits.

Do you realize how dumb this counter argument is?

The law itself is inherently discriminatory and has no basis in secularism rather it is anti-secular that most Indian are trying to portray as secular - that is the core of the argument.

To counter it with that those respective enterprise rules makes the argument for anti-secularism.

Why is every Indian presenting for secularism argument with anti-secularist argument?

I mean, there is a due, who got upset because he was not allowed to wear chappals to a club - what is happening with you all?

 

[Major]

The problem is he tries too hard and won't back down even if he sounds foolish.

offcourse it will be foolish for you because you can pick and choose.

Interestingly, you cant say that people should have freedom to choose what they wear as many of you will have issue with what would be worn in Pakistan.
Thus only limiting yourself to the Bhurka ban.

Atleast develop credibility for the sake argument that freedom of clothing shouldn't be limited to certain clothes. That way people against Bhurka can present points which to them seems right.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So why is it that schools in England have no issues with girls wearing a hijab but schools in India do?
Forget about rules and laws just answer this question.

That's England's problem. We stopped following the laws of England in 1947.

 

[Local.Dada]

So why is it that schools in England have no issues with girls wearing a hijab but schools in India do?
Forget about rules and laws just answer this question.

lol how would I know why it is different in England?

What is the equivalence here?

If it is the same institute that is having different rules in England and India than maybe you have a point.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Pretty much slaps the face of them stinkers.


https://www.facebook.com/yawar.abbasnajfi/videos/1271048396726162

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why is it a problem?
Why can't a girl just be allowed to wear a hijab?
What is the problem here?

It's just covering the hair...

Problem is that hijab isn't part of the uniform and everyone has to follow the uniform dress code.

Now if someone doesn't want to they have two choices, leave the school or move the court.

If a person is able to prove that the particular dress is an obligation in their religion and is mandatory, they will be allowed to wear it under article 25 of the constitution. If its not mandatory then article 25 doesn't apply.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

These are the same people who go after the girls and justifies her rape when she wears a short clothes - and now they have an issue when a girl decides to properly covers herself.

 

[Local.Dada]

These are the same people who go after the girls and justifies her rape when she wears a short clothes - and now they have an issue when a girl decides to properly covers herself.

Is there some stat that only girls in revealing outfits get raped?

This is the 2nd time I am hearing this theory on this thread . First time I thought it was one persons ignorance but this pattern is scary.

So are you telling me the girls who are from other communities in the classroom are wearing revealing clothes because they don’t have a hijab?

You have the right ideas about equality etc but you are not able to present your arguments at all.

 

[LaLoco]

Is there some stat that only girls in revealing outfits get raped?

This is the 2nd time I am hearing this theory on this thread . First time I thought it was one persons ignorance but this pattern is scary.

So are you telling me the girls who are from other communities in the classroom are wearing revealing clothes because they don’t have a hijab?

You have the right ideas about equality etc but you are not able to present your arguments at all.

What in the revealing clothes world are you talking about? lol

That is not what he said- lol

 

[Major]

These are the same people who go after the girls and justifies her rape when she wears a short clothes - and now they have an issue when a girl decides to properly covers herself.

Brother your such a hypocrite.... Your the one who used this argument right over here

When you interact with the social norms of a society and culture, that you live in, then there is a potential impact of that culture on what YOU want and what YOU don't want. Social norms of that society/culture WILL have a say when you break the threshold of public decency of those social norms - otherwise where you draw the line?
Can you wear a shorts in the current Afghanistan public? Probably not because you may be crossing the threshold of public decency of that culture - and if nothing else, you will have a bunch of bacha baaz people follow you. See?

 

[Kroll]

I invite you to do the stats in India and around the world. Will be happy to learn if otherwise.

Getting killed or beaten up for transporting cattle, getting blamed for spreading coronavirus, having their places of worship taken away or destroyed and denied the right to pray in the open, being discriminated against in property and jobs, getting killed for protesting against CAA, constantly accused of being anti-nationals, deprived of the right to wear mandatory religious gear.

Doesn't sound like being privileged to me.

 

[Kroll]

Problem is that hijab isn't part of the uniform and everyone has to follow the uniform dress code.

Now if someone doesn't want to they have two choices, leave the school or move the court.

If a person is able to prove that the particular dress is an obligation in their religion and is mandatory, they will be allowed to wear it under article 25 of the constitution. If its not mandatory then article 25 doesn't apply.

Doesn't change the fact, they'll still be wearing the full uniform. Its not reducing or replacing any part of it What's the problem?

 

[IMMY69]

Problem is that hijab isn't part of the uniform and everyone has to follow the uniform dress code.

Now if someone doesn't want to they have two choices, leave the school or move the court.

If a person is able to prove that the particular dress is an obligation in their religion and is mandatory, they will be allowed to wear it under article 25 of the constitution. If its not mandatory then article 25 doesn't apply.

No.
I only use the English schools as a comparison because they apply common sense to the rules.
It shows tolerance and a liberal view.

So I ask once again why can't a girl wear a hijab to school in India?

 

[IMMY69]

Problem is that hijab isn't part of the uniform and everyone has to follow the uniform dress code.

Now if someone doesn't want to they have two choices, leave the school or move the court.

If a person is able to prove that the particular dress is an obligation in their religion and is mandatory, they will be allowed to wear it under article 25 of the constitution. If its not mandatory then article 25 doesn't apply.

You ran out of excuses a long time ago.
Why don't you just tell us the real reason for why a girl can't wear a hijab?

 

[IMMY69]

offcourse it will be foolish for you because you can pick and choose.

Interestingly, you cant say that people should have freedom to choose what they wear as many of you will have issue with what would be worn in Pakistan.
Thus only limiting yourself to the Bhurka ban.

Atleast develop credibility for the sake argument that freedom of clothing shouldn't be limited to certain clothes. That way people against Bhurka can present points which to them seems right.

What are you talking about?
Please just leave it because you're not making sense

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Brother your such a hypocrite.... Your the one who used this argument right over here

I quoted her in this video. May be she is the one hypocrite? Take a look.

https://www.facebook.com/yawar.abbasnajfi/videos/1271048396726162

 

[Rajdeep]

So why is it that schools in England have no issues with girls wearing a hijab but schools in India do?
Forget about rules and laws just answer this question.

C'mmon bud...you cant compare England with India. England, specifically big cities like London and Manchester have heavy population of migrant foreigners. So they allow religious attires in school as it is a multicultural society. I live in East London...how many white British students you see in schools where there are predominantly asian sub continent people?

Also, English schools allow white girls to wear mini skirts...shorter than their knees. Will an Indian/Pakistani school allow it?

So comparison with English schools is not a good idea as India is not a multicultural society like England. All students in an Indian school are Indians unlike in England and hence there is an effort that of uniformity.

 

[Major]

What are you talking about?
Please just leave it because you're not making sense

do you believe in freedom of clothing irrespect to what the clothing is? Shorts, or leggings or T Shirt(females)

 

[IMMY69]

C'mmon bud...you cant compare England with India. England, specifically big cities like London and Manchester have heavy population of migrant foreigners. So they allow religious attires in school as it is a multicultural society. I live in East London...how many white British students you see in schools where there are predominantly asian sub continent people?

Also, English schools allow white girls to wear mini skirts...shorter than their knees. Will an Indian/Pakistani school allow it?

So comparison with English schools is not a good idea as India is not a multicultural society like England. All students in an Indian school are Indians unlike in England and hence there is an effort that of uniformity.

What I'm saying is that in England they apply common sense.
Why can't India do that?

Remember we are only talking about the hijab here.
They can easily be worn with a school uniform and I believe turbans are so why not a hijab?

 

[IMMY69]

do you believe in freedom of clothing irrespect to what the clothing is? Shorts, or leggings or T Shirt(females)

Two words

SCHOOL UNIFORM

 

[Major]

Two words

SCHOOL UNIFORM

again, I ask, do you believe in freedom of clothing or not? especially when it comes to shorts and leggings

In universities there arn't uniforms and this Bhurka issue will offcourse extend towards their to..

 

[IMMY69]

again, I ask, do you believe in freedom of clothing or not? especially when it comes to shorts and leggings

In universities there arn't uniforms and this Bhurka issue will offcourse extend towards their to..

I'm not sure what you're saying but for the record
I believe that if there is a uniform and you attend that school then you must comply with the dress code.
Just like a police officer has to obide with the dress code and wear a uniform.

 

[Major]

I'm not sure what you're saying but for the record
I believe that if there is a uniform and you attend that school then you must comply with the dress code.
Just like a police officer has to obide with the dress code and wear a uniform.

and if Hijab isnt part of the uniform than?

 

[IMMY69]

and if Hijab isnt part of the uniform than?

Then it's your choice if you want to wear a hijab or not.

Wearing a hijab should not be a problem.
Just like a Sikh can wear a turban wether at school or as a police officer.

 

[Kroll]

C'mmon bud...you cant compare England with India. England, specifically big cities like London and Manchester have heavy population of migrant foreigners. So they allow religious attires in school as it is a multicultural society. I live in East London...how many white British students you see in schools where there are predominantly asian sub continent people?

Also, English schools allow white girls to wear mini skirts...shorter than their knees. Will an Indian/Pakistani school allow it?

So comparison with English schools is not a good idea as India is not a multicultural society like England. All students in an Indian school are Indians unlike in England and hence there is an effort that of uniformity.

It is multi-religious which is important here and also it might not be multicultural like England but its culture is very much diversified.

 

[KingKhanWC]

so because its hijab you are angry? But other pieces of clothing can be or allowed to be ban.

If you ban certain clothing types than you have no right to cry when other countries ban clothing's which they dont like.

At the end of the day the same practice is what you(pakistan) are doing. Only issue is which type.

Because Bhurka is considered part of the religion this is why we feel angry.

I like wearing shorts, many females like to wear leggings, but hey they are banned and no one cares about it.

Why not stand up for freedom of wearing what you want instead of just standing up for clothing that only suits your religion?

At the comparison )

The key point here is Hindutva extermists are inciting hatred, violence and Islamaphobia against women.

Its ok, you stay worried about not wearing shorts.

 

[Major]

At the comparison )

The key point here is Hindutva extermists are inciting hatred, violence and Islamaphobia against women.

Its ok, you stay worried about not wearing shorts.

should people have the freedom to whatever they want to wear or not? be it shorts, leggings and tshirts for females

 

[Lego20]

You ran out of excuses a long time ago.
Why don't you just tell us the real reason for why a girl can't wear a hijab?

Same reason as why male cricketers cant wear a skirt. Rules and uniforms are an enforcement of standarization. Why not this and that sounds very rustic.

 

[KingKhanWC]

should people have the freedom to whatever they want to wear or not? be it shorts, leggings and tshirts for females

People should be treated fairly and no instituation should bow down to extremists. You are quick to rant about Pakistan daily esp about extremists but bury your head when its comes to Hindu extremists. Lets see what the Indian courts decide for further comments.

P.s Please post like Mamoon on the Proud to be Indian thread, it will be interesting to read your views as you are pro-Indian and having resided there.

 

[Lego20]

Getting killed or beaten up for transporting cattle, getting blamed for spreading coronavirus, having their places of worship taken away or destroyed and denied the right to pray in the open, being discriminated against in property and jobs, getting killed for protesting against CAA, constantly accused of being anti-nationals, deprived of the right to wear mandatory religious gear.

Doesn't sound like being privileged to me.

Most of these are illegal acts in India. Show this same spine in western countries and you will know which country is more tolerant.

 

[Major]

People should be treated fairly and no instituation should bow down to extremists. You are quick to rant about Pakistan daily esp about extremists but bury your head when its comes to Hindu extremists. Lets see what the Indian courts decide for further comments.

P.s Please post like Mamoon on the Proud to be Indian thread, it will be interesting to read your views as you are pro-Indian and having resided there.

I have said multiple times here, what these BJP party supports over there are doing is wrong.

But many pakistanis who are point scoring here dont even know something similar is done in their own country itself. Yes not on the basis of religion, but than again here we dont have the freedom what to wear and some posters like colorblind something support that ban by giving poor excuses like its not appropriate or its indecent etc. Thats hypocritical.

 

[Kroll]

Most of these are illegal acts in India. Show this same spine in western countries and you will know which country is more tolerant.

Not sure what you mean, please elaborate.

 

[saeedhk]

As I have said previously, the hypocrisy on display is astounding! Universities in KP and in some parts of Punjab have banned women from wearing jeans, shirts, dresses and make up. In fact, some universities have made the abaya mandatory and some even told women to wear only black or white scarf.

When such attacks on personal freedom take place in Pakistan, there is zero condemnation. I believe everyone should have the full right to wear whatever they want. If you condemn one, you should condemn the other one too!

 

[IMMY69]

Same reason as why male cricketers cant wear a skirt. Rules and uniforms are an enforcement of standarization. Why not this and that sounds very rustic.

Again, you're avoiding the main issue here
Why are girls not allowed to wear a hijab at school?
Why is covering your hair against rules regarding the uniform?

I would respect you more if you Just said yes it's petty to stop a girl wearing a hijab or even admitting the truth

 

[IMMY69]

As I have said previously, the hypocrisy on display is astounding! Universities in KP and in some parts of Punjab have banned women from wearing jeans, shirts, dresses and make up. In fact, some universities have made the abaya mandatory and some even told women to wear only black or white scarf.

When such attacks on personal freedom take place in Pakistan, there is zero condemnation. I believe everyone should have the full right to wear whatever they want. If you condemn one, you should condemn the other one too!

Are they stopping Sikh's from wearing a hijab or forcing women to cover their hair?

 

[Kroll]

As I have said previously, the hypocrisy on display is astounding! Universities in KP and in some parts of Punjab have banned women from wearing jeans, shirts, dresses and make up. In fact, some universities have made the abaya mandatory and some even told women to wear only black or white scarf.

When such attacks on personal freedom take place in Pakistan, there is zero condemnation. I believe everyone should have the full right to wear whatever they want. If you condemn one, you should condemn the other one too!

I condemn it, happy?... Now what?

 

[Lego20]

Again, you're avoiding the main issue here
Why are girls not allowed to wear a hijab at school?
Why is covering your hair against rules regarding the uniform?

I would respect you more if you Just said yes it's petty to stop a girl wearing a hijab or even admitting the truth

Not at all. Uniform is just that - same attire everyone. There is nothing wrong, unreasonable or unusual here. I would say time to arrive at the intended conclusion that muslims are ill-treated in India and creation of Pakistan was the best thing ever.

 

[Lego20]

As I have said previously, the hypocrisy on display is astounding! Universities in KP and in some parts of Punjab have banned women from wearing jeans, shirts, dresses and make up. In fact, some universities have made the abaya mandatory and some even told women to wear only black or white scarf.

When such attacks on personal freedom take place in Pakistan, there is zero condemnation. I believe everyone should have the full right to wear whatever they want. If you condemn one, you should condemn the other one too!

Selective outrage and hypocrisy is the general theme.

 

[Local.Dada]

Again, you're avoiding the main issue here
Why are girls not allowed to wear a hijab at school?
Why is covering your hair against rules regarding the uniform?

I would respect you more if you Just said yes it's petty to stop a girl wearing a hijab or even admitting the truth

Let me try one last time.

Stopping a Muslim girl from wearing a hijab in a public place or anywhere else is not just petty but a punishable offence .

Insisting on not following the decorum of the prescribed dress code and creating nuisance for the rest of the hard working students ( mind you of all communities) on the other hand- call it what it is.

In fact I would respect you too if you accept that you finally get the point. I have a feeling you already got it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

As I have said previously, the hypocrisy on display is astounding! Universities in KP and in some parts of Punjab have banned women from wearing jeans, shirts, dresses and make up. In fact, some universities have made the abaya mandatory and some even told women to wear only black or white scarf.

When such attacks on personal freedom take place in Pakistan, there is zero condemnation. I believe everyone should have the full right to wear whatever they want. If you condemn one, you should condemn the other one too!

Do you really hate Pakistan or are a self proclaimed defender of India?

This is a poor thought out argument as usual from you because you are too quick to attack Pakistan even if the thread is about the Maldives.

Make up , jeans or shorts are not relgious attire.

Any civilised instituation will not stop a woman from covering her head due to relgious reasons or any religious attire as long as its not a weapon of some sorts.

Please post on the Proud to be Indian thread, it will be interesting to hear your views on India.

 

[Kroll]

Do you really hate Pakistan or are a self proclaimed defender of India?

This is a poor thought out argument as usual from you because you are too quick to attack Pakistan even if the thread is about the Maldives.

Make up , jeans or shorts are not relgious attire.

Any civilised instituation will not stop a woman from covering her head due to relgious reasons or any religious attire as long as its not a weapon of some sorts.

Please post on the Proud to be Indian thread, it will be interesting to hear your views on India.

I'm not sure how these people aren't able to grasp this concept but instead engage in whataboutery.

 

[Itachi]

What I see here is, people failing to realize that what is a "norm" for their country, may not be a "norm" for another.

Your rationale based upon the environment you have grown up with and hence it makes you question why others don't follow the same rule. But on the other hand, your environment may have many elements which others might find ridiculous because they have brought up in a different environment.

But you won't be able to realize where the double standards are since your mind considers what goes in your society as norm and standard..

It is clear from this thread here.

 

[Itachi]

I'm not sure how these people aren't able to grasp this concept but instead engage in whataboutery.

So.... Objections should be raised only when it is about religion but forget it when it is for personal freedom and choice of what to wear.

Not a strong argument I might say.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You ran out of excuses a long time ago.
Why don't you just tell us the real reason for why a girl can't wear a hijab?

First of all, i dont need any excuses. The law prevails.

A girl cannot wear a hijab because its not part of the school uniform. Thats the rule. And unless a court in India over rules it, that rule remains.