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We could have been in place of NZ beating India out and then trashing Eng out for WC. Does anyone feel that 1 single point has snatched trophy out of our hands?
 
Yes by one point.

Sri vs Pak - no result
India vs NZ - no result - Nz got a apoint.
Wi vs NZ - Brethwait could not clear the rope by 1 foot.
India vs Eng- India loss ( due to poor run chase ;-) )
Eng vs Nz - Eng win.
Nz vs SA NZ wins but Williamson edged off Tahir but they did not review it. 2 Points NZ.
 
Judging by how NZ performed today i think that they deserved to be in the semis in place of Pakistan for sure
 
Don't think Pakistan had enough quality to beat India and Australia. When have Pakistan picked up wickets with the new ball in bunches? Who in the Pak team could have pulled off the Guptill run out of Dhoni?
 
Savak said:
Don't think Pakistan had enough quality to beat India and Australia. When have Pakistan picked up wickets with the new ball in bunches? Who in the Pak team could have pulled off the Guptill run out of Dhoni?
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Specialist Fielder Shadab could have done for us lol
 
Basically the rain and the windies knocked Pak out of the tournament.
 
I am pretending that pakistan did qualify!!
Beautiful innings by babar williamson and haris taylor and wonderful bowling by shaheen shah henry and amir boult, to win the semi final and knock india out of the world cup!!!
 
I don't know if Pakistan would have progressed further, but they were on an ominous roll before they lost out. India looked worse every game they played, and Pakistan looked better. That is the truth of it.
 
It’s pure nonsense that started after 2015 world cup too. Some posters were like one catch dropped against aussies cost us world cup. Nz was better team and deserved to play in SF.
 
They will surely regret this missed chance. Not saying they would have beaten India but we all knew how weak the Indian batting was.

Own fault to pick Hafeez and Malik in the squad. Luck plays a role a role in the WC. This time NZ has all the luck and PAK wad very unlucky.
 
I am certain we would just help India reach final due to brain fades we get aginst them.In a way happy Nz played this semi.If Pak played maybe Aus and India got eliminated then we would win the final
 
too many ifs and buttsss..... its hard to point out... would india bottled under pressure against pak? in a non-wc scenario, yes, in WC probably not .... NZ played near perfect game... it was way too much for india once they were 5/3 and middle order was exposed that early ...

India lost the game when Pant walked out instead of dhoni ... wat a loser dhoni turned out to be ... cannot believe it .... he hid behind Pant and an injured Pandya .... such an abs shame ...
 
Gullycricket said:
I am certain we would just help India reach final due to brain fades we get aginst them.In a way happy Nz played this semi.If Pak played maybe Aus and India got eliminated then we would win the final
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We have never had 2 world class batsman in top form in a world cup before, like we had in babar and haris!
The world cup was there for the taking, but shoaib malik's selfishness destroyed our chances!
No one over 35 should ever play for pakistan!!!
 
For team like Pakistan who are no Australia in ICC tourneys, they need bit of luck to get through which we didn't have this time around. I would have backed Pakistan in semis if they batted first against India like NZ did.

And then hoped for ENG to win semis as we usually bully them unlike Australia even in their worst.
 
Savak said:
Don't think Pakistan had enough quality to beat India and Australia. When have Pakistan picked up wickets with the new ball in bunches? Who in the Pak team could have pulled off the Guptill run out of Dhoni?
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Shaheen. Amir.

And Shahdab.

Their team got 1/2 functional batsmen.
 
Its a tough question.

Lets put it into perspective, Pakistan win the toss and know to bat first (cannot repeat the mistake they made last time). Fakhar gets out cheaply as usual against Bumrah or Bhuvi, standard procedure. Imam continues to grind, babar plays a few delightful strokes. Pak players likely to play the spinners much better than NZ on this track, they probably would have got to 230, 240. India would feel confident to chase these runs down.

Amir may or may not get swing. Rohit treats this Pak attack with disdain based on his confidence. Im not so sure Pak would have defended this score. But, its all just hypothetical.
 
Captain caveman said:
We have never had 2 world class batsman in top form in a world cup before, like we had in babar and haris!
The world cup was there for the taking, but shoaib malik's selfishness destroyed our chances!
No one over 35 should ever play for pakistan!!!
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Look at Nz fielding today.You sure we would field like that in front of vocal Indian crowd.Nz needed to make no mistakes to defend 239 which they did.In case of us Haris would drop a catch,Fakhar or some other would panic and miss an easy run out.Best case for us was Nz vs Ind with Ind elimnated like today and Pak vs Aus with us winning and triumphing the final
 
Yes we obviously only missed out by a game. We should have beaten Australia, biggest regret of the tournament. That being said though, New Zealand deserve it, they played better than us in the group.
 
It is a farce that Pakistan did not make the semis. The team had discovered the way to win games from any situation.
 
Gullycricket said:
Look at Nz fielding today.You sure we would field like that in front of vocal Indian crowd.Nz needed to make no mistakes to defend 239 which they did.In case of us Haris would drop a catch,Fakhar or some other would panic and miss an easy run out.Best case for us was Nz vs Ind with Ind elimnated like today and Pak vs Aus with us winning and triumphing the final
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Apart from shadab, our fielding is terrible!!
But i think we would have scored between 280 - 300 batting first!
 
shockbound said:
Shaheen. Amir.

And Shahdab.

Their team got 1/2 functional batsmen.
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Boult with new ball is better than Amir and Shaheen combined. Santner was probably the spinner of the tournament. Kiwis fielding was amazing. Game changing.

Pakistan is way behind when it comes to skills to beat India. Today India were beaten by lovely spells of Boult and Henry up front, Santner in middle and brilliant throw by Guptil. Pakistan fumbles in the field during tense moments.
 
MRSN said:
Boult with new ball is better than Amir and Shaheen combined. Santner was probably the spinner of the tournament. Kiwis fielding was amazing. Game changing.

Pakistan is way behind when it comes to skills to beat India. Today India were beaten by lovely spells of Boult and Henry up front, Santner in middle and brilliant throw by Guptil. Pakistan fumbles in the field during tense moments.
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Field I agree. Rest it really depends on the moment. We had Amir picking up top 3 out of nowhere. Shaheen was red hot. You never knew. NZ only had single spinner with military medium bunch. We had deeper batting.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't know if Pakistan would have progressed further, but they were on an ominous roll before they lost out. India looked worse every game they played, and Pakistan looked better. That is the truth of it.
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How? We blasted Srilanka out in last game and it was our most dominant performance in the WC. And you guys struggled against Afghainstan in the ominous run and probably would have lost if not their brainless kaptaan.
 
How do posters turn a match between NZ vs India into something to do with Pakistan lol?
 
Look there's two matches that cost us big time - West Indies and Australia.

All we had to do vs WI is to scratch around to 200 at least and minimise damage to NRR.

Against Australia we just needed to pitch the ball on the right length on a damp pitch and catch the dollies sent Asif Ali's way.

But we didn't, we failed to do the basics and rallied when it was too late, and we have only ourselves to blame for that.
 
Yes, nobody wants to face a Pakistan team on a roll. They're pretty much unbeatable when their confidence is that high.
 
Pakistan were indeed one win away. If SL-Pak game didn't get washed out, Pakistan could've been through.

But, these things happen in cricket.
 
Captain caveman said:
I am pretending that pakistan did qualify!!
Beautiful innings by babar williamson and haris taylor and wonderful bowling by shaheen shah henry and amir boult, to win the semi final and knock india out of the world cup!!!
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Yes the team is called NEWISTAN
 
Rudi hater said:
Yes by one point.

Sri vs Pak - no result
India vs NZ - no result - Nz got a apoint.
Wi vs NZ - Brethwait could not clear the rope by 1 foot.
India vs Eng- India loss ( due to poor run chase ;-) )
Eng vs Nz - Eng win.
Nz vs SA NZ wins but Williamson edged off Tahir but they did not review it. 2 Points NZ.
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It's easy to cherry pick these moments to make your point. What about Gulbadin handing the match on a platter to Pakistan with some of the most brainless death bowling.
 
No one deserves anything until it was earned. Pak also got their fair share of 1 point from washout. Unfair to say that NZ profited out of it while pak did not. Plus they made it to finals so no, pak didn't deserve anything. They had to earn it.
 
Markhor said:
Look there's two matches that cost us big time - West Indies and Australia.

All we had to do vs WI is to scratch around to 200 at least and minimise damage to NRR.

Against Australia we just needed to pitch the ball on the right length on a damp pitch and catch the dollies sent Asif Ali's way.

But we didn't, we failed to do the basics and rallied when it was too late, and we have only ourselves to blame for that.
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Pretty much this! All behind us now though.. time to focus on WT20!
 
Markhor said:
Look there's two matches that cost us big time - West Indies and Australia.

All we had to do vs WI is to scratch around to 200 at least and minimise damage to NRR.

Against Australia we just needed to pitch the ball on the right length on a damp pitch and catch the dollies sent Asif Ali's way.

But we didn't, we failed to do the basics and rallied when it was too late, and we have only ourselves to blame for that.
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I blame that hack Asif Ali who dropped Aaron Finch when he was on 38 I guess and he scored some 85 had he caught that it would have been quite different story altogether.That hack should never play Odis.
 
Even if Pakistan had faced India in the Semi's they would have lost. So, to answer your question no, not really.
 
uberkoen said:
Even if Pakistan had faced India in the Semi's they would have lost. So, to answer your question no, not really.
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Na pakistan would of beat india in the semis, theres no chance your players would have been able to play amir and shaheen in those weather conditions!
And unlike india who were relying solely on rohit to score, both babar and haris were on fire!
 
Invincible Gujjar said:
I blame that hack Asif Ali who dropped Aaron Finch when he was on 38 I guess and he scored some 85 had he caught that it would have been quite different story altogether.That hack should never play Odis.
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Malik and asif ali were wasted places in the squad!
Both cost us that aussie match, with maliks wonderful innings of ZERO!!
 
Captain caveman said:
Na pakistan would of beat india in the semis, theres no chance your players would have been able to play amir and shaheen in those weather conditions!
And unlike india who were relying solely on rohit to score, both babar and haris were on fire!
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My players? I'm from Pakistan bro. Also, there's no chance our players would've played Chahal, Bhumi and Shami in those conditions either. Pakistan would probably have managed to score somewhere around 150-180 on this pitch. India would have chased that. Let's not forget that even though Shaheen has been taking wickets he has also been conceding a lot of runs.

NZ had Henry, Ferguson and Santner and Boult who kept it very very tight and didn't leak runs. In our case Shaheen and Wahab would've leaked too many runs to be able to defend a low total.
 
Yes this was our wc for the taking. We were on a roll. Too bad India deliberately lost to England and Pak calculated it incorrectly thinking England will definitely lose 1 of their last match.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't know if Pakistan would have progressed further, but they were on an ominous roll before they lost out. India looked worse every game they played, and Pakistan looked better. That is the truth of it.
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Chief Destroyer said:
Yes, nobody wants to face a Pakistan team on a roll. They're pretty much unbeatable when their confidence is that high.
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Abdullah said:
Absolutely we were.on a.proper roll, huge opportunity missed
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SarfiBabarHaris said:
Yes this was our wc for the taking. We were on a roll. Too bad India deliberately lost to England and Pak calculated it incorrectly thinking England will definitely lose 1 of their last match.
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Yes we saw Pakistan's "roll" against Afghanistan when they were sweating bullets and only won because of umpiring blunders. Whatever momentum we gained from beating South Africa and New Zealand blew into pieces against Afghanistan.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes we saw Pakistan's "roll" against Afghanistan when they were sweating bullets and only won because of umpiring blunders. Whatever momentum we gained from beating South Africa and New Zealand blew into pieces against Afghanistan.
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Even India was pushed during their encounter. Try and be more unbiased in your views, nothing wrong in giving credit where it's due. There's a difference between playing devil's advocate and needless bashing.
 
1992 luck evened out I guess.. We got one point due to rain Vs England, and here we lost one point due to rain. :shezzy2
 
uberkoen said:
My players? I'm from Pakistan bro. Also, there's no chance our players would've played Chahal, Bhumi and Shami in those conditions either. Pakistan would probably have managed to score somewhere around 150-180 on this pitch. India would have chased that. Let's not forget that even though Shaheen has been taking wickets he has also been conceding a lot of runs.

NZ had Henry, Ferguson and Santner and Boult who kept it very very tight and didn't leak runs. In our case Shaheen and Wahab would've leaked too many runs to be able to defend a low total.
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Sorry bro, i thought you were an indian fan!
Nobody knows what would have happen if pak played india in this semi.
If pak batted first they may have scored 280 or they may have been bowled out for 180!!
Amir and shaheen may have run through the indian line up with wahab and shadabs help or they may have gone for plenty!!

Who knows?
 
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Chief Destroyer said:
Yes, nobody wants to face a Pakistan team on a roll. They're pretty much unbeatable when their confidence is that high.
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I swear some of you guys talk like as if Pakistan is 2000s Australian team. Pakistan is a good team but would've choked big time against India.
 
Being humiliated by WI wasn't bad luck - it was idiocy and poor team management / planning.
 
Pakistan would have lost to India. First we wouldn't have made 240 odd. Second we wouldn't have fielded anywhere near as good as NZ did. Our bowling is not that good either. To top it all of that was Williamson and here we would have had Sarfraz.

And no we didn't deserve to go through. We got hammered by WI and India. Same story with the Australia game. Then the Afghanistan game was a nightmare (two umpiring blunders and we still needed Gulbaddin's stupidity to get over the line). That is where the WC was done.

NZ beat India in the warm-up game and now again. So there was every chance they could have beaten India in the group stages as well. Therefore all this luck talk is ridiculous.
 
Rellu_Katta said:
too many ifs and buttsss..... its hard to point out... would india bottled under pressure against pak? in a non-wc scenario, yes, in WC probably not .... NZ played near perfect game... it was way too much for india once they were 5/3 and middle order was exposed that early ...

India lost the game when Pant walked out instead of dhoni ... wat a loser dhoni turned out to be ... cannot believe it .... he hid behind Pant and an injured Pandya .... such an abs shame ...
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Who told you it was Dhoni's decision to come down...You should ask Kohli and Shastri for that..
 
We weren’t good enough in the first five (four) matches.

Had we won another match we would’ve gone through.

So we weren’t unlucky.
 
No. Pakistan finished the tournament where they are indeed - in fifth spot. Though were there some sort of a round robin between the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th teams in the tournament standings (Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, South Africa), i highly suspect that pakistan would emerge on top of that group.

If pakistan had qualified for the semi-finals it would have been thanks to the largess of other outcomes (india beating england or west indies beating new zealand). An outcome they would be wholly undeserving of.
 
karthikc said:
Who told you it was Dhoni's decision to come down...You should ask Kohli and Shastri for that..
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i would be really surprised if Dhoni had asked to bat at no4 and they had actually refused... i think at worst , it would be Kholi/shastri made the recommendation and dhoni obliged.. he should have tried to push the think tank to get him in
 
A team that purposefully chose a 4,5,6 of Hafeez, Safaraz and Malik deserves nothing.

Once Malik was rightfully ousted then Pakistan had the 4th best team in the WC imo.
 
hitthestump said:
A team that purposefully chose a 4,5,6 of Hafeez, Safaraz and Malik deserves nothing.

Once Malik was rightfully ousted then Pakistan had the 4th best team in the WC imo.
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1)Fakhar, 2)Imam, 3)Babar, 4)Harris, 5) Sarfraz 6) Khushdil Shah / Umar Amin ... so much of a better team
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So Pakistan have beaten both finalists in this tournament.<br>What could have been.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1149352262533308417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Pakistan beat both finalists in one off duels :))) Incredible. Just think about it.
 
Pakistan's under rated 2019 ODI World Cup campaign

Beat England and NZ ie the two world cup finalists, put in a fighting performance against Australia in defeat. Beat South Africa who are ranked higher than them. Beat a red hot in form Bangladesh by the highest margin compared to all the other opponents and Bangladesh was expected to provide Pakistan a tough fight.

We collapsed against India which is not new for us in WC campaigns and then we had an absolute shocker vs the WI who surprised us with their short ball barrage but the other teams benefitted because they knew what to expect from the Windies going forward and the WI bowling attack looked ineffective going forward

But for a team with a poor odi ranking, poor odi results against the top 5 teams in the last so many years excluding the 2017 CT victory and coming of a 14 odi losing streak, Pakistan definitely over achieved and punched above their weight in this WC. Nothing more satisfying then to see the Indians getting kicked out of the Odi wc especially given their deliberate blatant defeat to England in a cheap move to get Pakistan out of the semis not because of fear but out of hatred and to deny the Pakistani nation the happiness of reaching the semis
 
Pak were definitely unlucky not to qualify. Had the India-NZ group match and Pak-Sri Lanka ones been played the semi's could have been very different.
 
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But they got beaten by both the losing semi-finalists... ah the karma..

On topic, I think Pakistan finished where they deserved to, looking at the tournament as a whole..
 
We can do banghra over beating NZ and England but you can easily turn it around and say those 2 teams beat India and Australia who we couldn’t beat, they also both beat West Indies.

For me the 2 teams in the final deserve to be there.
 
Pakistan ended in 5th place.I think this is fair and reflects our standard.Had our team been really strong in all departments ie fielding,batting and bowling then i would have been upset.We had Malik.Hafeez and Asif instead of quality batsmen. Our spinners are not great either.On top of this we dropped more catches than any other tea.We should be happy to end uo 5th place.I thought we were going to end up just above Afghanistan and WI.There is is no shortage of talent in Pakistan but due to poor cricket structure and nepotism good cricketers don't make it to national team.
 
Pak were lucky to not get the 4th spot. It was better to be 5th than to lose against Ind again in the semis. Think about it. #blessingindisguise
 
Can't say unlucky when you get phaintis against a few teams. As I said earlier, Pakistan can win when they play without fear. They play without fear when they have nothing to lose.
 
ZaudStorm said:
I swear some of you guys talk like as if Pakistan is 2000s Australian team. Pakistan is a good team but would've choked big time against India.
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Last time this team got on a roll, they brushed aside England and India. Pakistan on average days wouldn't beat these teams but when their confidence skyrockets, they start playing to their potential and the thought of a loss simply goes out of their mind.

We've seen it happen too many times to deny it.
 
In sport you have to make your own luck. Pak did not well enough to get into semis - fact.
 
Well NZ and Pakistan are same level teams tbh but England are better. NZ may win the whole things on Sunday but that's tournament sports all teams are allowed to play well.
 
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