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West Indies (149/9) defeat New Zealand (136/9) by 13 runs and qualified for Super 8 stage in the ICC T20 World Cup 2024

Nikhil_cric said:
I'm just glad they got rid of the montonous drone that is Jeff Dujon. I know he's supposed to be a legend but his commentary was absolutely awful.
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He used to be better in the 2000s but I guess old age caught up with him.

The gold standard of Caribbean commentary though will always be Tony Cozier. RIP.
 
Run rate required now jumped to 13 but 1 good over can change the game again. Neeshan and Phillips can hit and hit big
 
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NZ’s players chose to play IPL and sat on benches instead of playing series against Pakistan and get a good practice before tournament. they look rusty
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
NZ’s players chose to play IPL and sat on benches instead of playing series against Pakistan and get a good practice before tournament. they look rusty
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Pakistan players were not playing in IPL so they should have performed better .

South Africa/ Australia / Afghanistan player's s were also participated in IPL yet they are performing very well .
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
If NZ loses, it's only because of the last 11 balls of their bowling innings.
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Their losing 100%, as I said they were never in a position to even make it to super 8 as soon as I saw The Afghanistan game.

They look put of it, almost as if their an associate schoolboy team holding the bat fir the first time. Philips gave some fireworks but otherwise this a 90 all out team
 
mominsaigol said:
Their losing 100%, as I said they were never in a position to even make it to super 8 as soon as I saw The Afghanistan game.

They look put of it, almost as if their an associate schoolboy team holding the bat fir the first time. Philips gave some fireworks but otherwise this a 90 all out team
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They really need to move on from Conway and Williamson. But on this pitch, they lost due to last couple of overs of bowling.
 
Devadwal said:
Pakistan players were not playing in IPL so they should have performed better .

South Africa/ Australia / Afghanistan player's s were also participated in IPL yet they are performing very well .

So this is just silly excuses
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read my post again. they sat on benches most of the time. Glenn Philips , kane , devon conway. Im not taking dig at IPL..NZ players got rusty because they did nt play enough cricket leading upto t20 wc
 
Fantastic comeback victory from the West Indies. There were alot of question marks around their bowling, but they delivered in spades today. But the star of the show was Sherfane Rutherford. What an incredible innings. Singlehandedly took West Indies from 112 t0 145 in the space of two overs eventhough they were 9 down.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
read my post again. they sat on benches most of the time. Glenn Philips , kane , devon conway. Im not taking dig at IPL..NZ players got rusty because they did nt play enough cricket leading upto t20 wc
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It's an excuse that is being peddled by NZ fans and their TM/ commentators.

What cricket did Zampa, Hazlewood etc. play heading into this tournament ?

NZ are not good enough and they selected conservatively where that lineup is centred around Kane.

Conway, Williamson and Bracewell are not good enough
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It's an excuse that is being peddled by NZ fans and their TM/ commentators.

What cricket did Zampa, Hazlewood etc. play heading into this tournament ?

NZ are not good enough and they selected conservatively where that lineup is centred around Kane.

Conway, Williamson and Bracewell are not good enough
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Shane Rutherford was sitting in the bench for all the games. He just said he prepared during IPL lol
 
Incredible win by West Indies. They pulled of a win after being 31-5 and then scored 150 in the end courtesy of Sherfane Rutherford's brilliant inning.

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Nikhil_cric said:
Excuses that's all they are. Don't want to call out the elephants in the room.
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Dary Mitchell played almost all the matches. He played T20 exactly like how he played for CSK. He even got bowled exactly like he was bowled in the IPL. These pitches thoroughly expose the new zealand players.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It's an excuse that is being peddled by NZ fans and their TM/ commentators.

What cricket did Zampa, Hazlewood etc. play heading into this tournament ?

NZ are not good enough and they selected conservatively where that lineup is centred around Kane.

Conway, Williamson and Bracewell are not good enough
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fin allen did nt even play a single game in IPL 2024. whats the point of sitting on bench for a league that lasts 2 months ? Australians are different breed of cricketers.. they have no comparison with NZ players. Finn allen and Philips are two most attacking batsmen Nz got and theu sat on benches and served drinks lol money makes you do things.. had nt it be better for both of them to play against week ass pakistan side and got into form?
 
Sherfane - another Caribbean cricketer with real cricketing intelligence . Said he knew they would run out of main bowlers and he knew he could take on his matchups at the end.

Knew there was something special about this guy from the first time I saw him play. Strong, athletic and skilled but also a lot of cricketing smarts.

Will do well in ODIs also.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
fin allen did nt even play a single game in IPL 2024. whats the point of sitting on bench for a league that lasts 2 months ? Australians are different breed of cricketers.. they have no comparison with NZ players. Finn allen and Philips are two most attacking batsmen Nz got and theu sat on benches and served drinks lol money makes you do things.. would nt it be better for both of them to play against week ass pakistan side and get into form?
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Many players at this World T20 haven't played cricket through the last 2-3 months. But somehow it only affected NZ?

They are simply shocked at how weak their batting and bowling has turned out to be.

Rachin, and a pathetic ENG/PAK run, allowed them to qualify in 2023 but many of their players need to be moved on from.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Dary Mitchell played almost all the matches. He played T20 exactly like how he played for CSK. He even got bowled exactly like he was bowled in the IPL. These pitches thoroughly expose the new zealand players.
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daryl is not mainstay for NZ.. they needed their openers to fire. both of them warmed the benches. last t20 they played is way back in Feb. too many months without meaningful cricket before t20 wc?
 
West Indies 4th team to qualify after SA,OZ and India. Congrats to all Windies fans here.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
daryl is not mainstay for NZ.. they needed their openers to fire. both of them warmed the benches. last t20 they played is way back in Feb. too many months without meaningful cricket before t20 wc?
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Kohli scored 700 runs lol scored 3 single digits here. SHane ratherford was sitting in the bench entire IPL. He was the star today.I don't think we can correlate here. You have analyze properly here. They are used to flat wickets in New zealand which is where Finn Allen, Mitchell butchered you guys. This is completely out of their comfort zone. They can play 100 matches and come here they will still struggle. They couldn't read the ball. THey were simply stuck on the crease. There is a difference between scratchiness and cluelessness. NZ was largely clueless.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Many players at this World T20 haven't played cricket through the last 2-3 months. But somehow it only affected NZ?

They are simply shocked at how weak their batting and bowling has turned out to be.

Rachin, and a pathetic ENG/PAK run, allowed them to qualify in 2023 but many of their players need to be moved on from.
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WI played series Against SA.. both teams are through. Pakistan did some extraordinary blunders in two losses they suffered but games were close. could have won both . Eng is unlucky their game against scot got washed out. its only NZ that performed worst. lost both games with huge margin
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
WI played series Against SA.. both teams are through. Pakistan did some extraordinary blunders in two losses they suffered but games were close. could have won both . Eng is unlucky their game against scot got washed out. its only NZ that performed worst. lost both games with huge margin
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They need individuals with a higher ceiling in that lineup to get past the line

Usually they are a tightly knit unit that is greater than the sum of it's parts . But that has its limits.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Kohli scored 700 runs lol scored 3 single digits here. SHane ratherford was sitting in the bench entire IPL. He was the star today.I don't think we can correlate here. You have analyze properly here. They are used to flat wickets in New zealand which is where Finn Allen, Mitchell butchered you guys. This is completely out of their comfort zone. They can play 100 matches and come here they will still struggle. They couldn't read the ball. THey were simply stuck on the crease. There is a difference between scratchiness and cluelessness. NZ was largely clueless.
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i would nt judge kohli on Nassau’s farcical pitch.. Shane rutherford played series against SA before wc started. yes they play on flat wickets but you dnt loose to afg with margin of 84 runs even on slow wickets.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
i would nt judge kohli on Nassau’s farcical pitch.. Shane rutherford played series against SA before wc started. yes they play on flat wickets but you dnt loose to afg with margin of 84 runs even on slow wickets.
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Lol no. Sherfane did not play the SA series
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
i would nt judge kohli on Nassau’s farcical pitch.. Shane rutherford played series against SA before wc started. yes they play on flat wickets but you dnt loose to afg with margin of 84 runs even on slow wickets.
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Afghanistan was good enough to reduce Australia for 91/7 in a ODI game in India. Shouldn't have problem massacring NZ on these turning, seaming, swinging wickets. Infact i am scared of Afghanistan in the next round.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
i would nt judge kohli on Nassau’s farcical pitch.. Shane rutherford played series against SA before wc started. yes they play on flat wickets but you dnt loose to afg with margin of 84 runs even on slow wickets.
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I was in the IPL for two months, so I was preparing, even though I was not playing. I did a lot of work and did my planning. Keeping it simple and backing my skill. - Sherfane Rutherford
 
Devadwal said:
I was in the IPL for two months, so I was preparing, even though I was not playing. I did a lot of work and did my planning. Keeping it simple and backing my skill. - Sherfane Rutherford
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lol he got away because kane took risk of bowling part timer and spinner in last 2 overs. now he can talk all he wants about planning and all that
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Afghanistan was good enough to reduce Australia for 91/7 in a ODI game in India. Shouldn't have problem massacring NZ on these turning, seaming, swinging wickets. Infact i am scared of Afghanistan in the next round.
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get their openers early because thats their only play .. what else they got in batting? their spinners are effective if they got good total on board because of openers
 
Could be a small handful of full member countries exiting in the group stage, good for cricket and for the tournament imo
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
lol he got away because kane took risk of bowling part timer and spinner in last 2 overs. now he can talk all he wants about planning and all that
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That's on kane. A very mediocre useless t20 player and captain. Hyped up for no reason. Nz has way better t20 players than him. Just shows how clueless kane was. And you still have to hit it against a part timer as well
 
Clutch West Indies secure Group C progression as Kiwis' World Cup hopes hang by a thread

Sherfane Rutherford helps hosts the West Indies secure a spot in the second round with a mind-blowing knock. It all but ends New Zealand's hopes of progressing.

Hosts the West Indies are officially through to the next stage of the ICC Men's T20 World Cup, pulling off a clutch win over fellow tournament heavyweights New Zealand.

Mid order bat Sherfane Rutherford was the hero for the home side, producing one of the innings of the tournement to help the Windies set a strong target.

The Kiwis' hopes of progressing through Group C hang only by a thread – it's the side's second-straight defeat.

Having made three changes to the lineup beaten convincingly by Afghanistan, the Kiwis displayed signs of sharp purpose early. And Trent Boult made it count, forcing Johnson Charles to chop on to end the first over.

Nicholas Pooran rode some luck for three quick boundaries, becoming the West Indies’ highest T20I run-getter, moving past Chris Gayle. But New Zealand took ascendancy, forcing Pooran and then Roston Chase to both top edge straight to catchers.

The wicket of captain Rovman Powell capped off a dominant Powerplay for the Kiwis – 23/4 at the six-over mark with bowler Tim Southee picking up two of the scalps.

It was left for the hosts’ middle and lower order to pick up the pieces when opener Brandon King’s dismissal became the Black Caps’ fifth blow with the ball.

Rutherford and Akeal Hosein took some initiative, combining for a sixth wicket stand of 28 runs off 27 balls. Hosein made 15 off 17 before departing.

Andre Russell kept the West Indies’ total climbing slowly, chipping in for a quick-fire 14 off seven balls, including a six. Russell was one of Boult's four wickets, who finished with impressive figures of 16/4.

But Rutherford managed to hang around, anchoring his side’s pursuit of a competitive total. And the fight paid off big time for the 25-year-old.

Rutherford turned the final five overs into his own ‘Powerplay’ of sorts, blasting five sixes and two fours. He brought up his 50 on the final ball of the 19th over and pounded 18 runs off the final six deliveries as Mitchell Santner had no answers with the ball.

The Guyanese slugger produced one of the innings of the tournament so far, registering an unbeaten 68 off 39 balls. Rutherford scored all 37 runs in the closing partnership with Gudakesh Motie, which became a new 10th wicket record in ICC T20 World Cup history.

Devon Conway was out cheaply, as momentum stuck with the hosts at the start of the new innings. But Finn Allen was determined to ensure New Zealand’s Powerplay went more smoothly than the Windies’.

He made 26 off 23 before finding Russell at deep backward square leg, as the Black Caps finished the first six overs at 36/2.

It was unclear if anyone in New Zealand’s lineup would source some Rutherford-like form, as Kane Williamson (1 off 2) and Rachin Ravindra's (10 off 13) efforts both stalled cheaply.

And the hosts officially had the Black Caps on the ropes when Motie ripped one straight past the outside of Daryl Mitchell’s bat, taking the top of middle stump with a scorching ball.

With five overs to go, New Zealand required 65 runs for victory, as Glenn Phillips and James Neesham went about rebuilding momentum. But hope further faded next ball as Alzarra Joseph forced Neesham to sky one – Brandon King showed a safe pair of hands when the ball finally made it back down.

It was all on Phillips to pull off a miracle chase for the Black Caps, who struck four key boundaries to help grow optimism.

But Joseph’s lethal spell continued, beating another batter for pace. Phillips put one high and Powell was underneath it, forcing the 27-year-old to depart for 40 off 33.

Joseph’s 19/4 and Motie’s 25/3 made sure the hosts maintained control in the field.

And despite Santner’s best efforts, slugging a 21* off 12 at the death, the West Indies officially booked their spot in the second round with a 13-run win – New Zealand’s innings finished 136/9 off 20 overs.

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Glen Philips Seifert Finn Allen, That honnkong dude they have to build the side around them. They have to get rid of Kane, Mitchell. Rachin is yet to find his T20 niche. He is more a ODI/Test player. You can back him. Conway is a good T20 batsman. But his recent form is pathetic.
 
Devadwal said:
Devon Conway Last 10 T20 score.
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7 single Digit
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It's high time they discarded him and went with Seifert and Finn Allen at the top of the order. Or Finn Allen and Rachin. Seifert is a specialist keeper too which will be good because Conway is a liability with the gloves.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It's high time they discarded him and went with Seifert and Finn Allen at the top of the order. Or Finn Allen and Rachin. Seifert is a specialist keeper too which will be good because Conway is a liability with the gloves.
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Yes Conway is not good enough for T20 cricket although he can play ODI and test cricket .

Conway keeping against Afghanistan was very pathetic thats why they lost the game .
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Glen Philips Seifert Finn Allen, That honnkong dude they have to build the side around them. They have to get rid of Kane, Mitchell. Rachin is yet to find his T20 niche. He is more a ODI/Test player. You can back him. Conway is a good T20 batsman. But his recent form is pathetic.
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Mitchell is a far more dynamic cricketer than Conway. He has delivered for New Zealand in numerous pressure situations and can be used in the middle order or as an opener. His SR is also significantly better than Conway's. Conway is basically an anchor and if he's not even scoring runs then it doesn't make much sense to have him and Williamson in there playing similar roles.
 
deltexas said:
Conaway and kane are useless especially kane. Kane has no business playing t20s -cant believe he was part of an ipl team as well.
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These 2 batting together have cost NZ crucial matches like the World T20 semifinal vs Pakistan .

They dropped Chapman to accomodate Rachin when in reality he should be batting at #3 in the top order with KW sitting out.

Rizwan/Babar duo gets a lot of flak from Pakistan fans and Indian top order gets roasted for their lack of intent too

Williamson and Conway are even worse but they get away with it
 
Massive win for WI. They needed a win from either this or the Afghanistan game which, on current form, you have to say is the harder of the two fixtures.

NZ need a reboot. Same players year in year out. Conway horribly out of form.
 
Williamson explains death overs call after Windies defeat

New Zealand suffered their second straight loss in the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup after a Sherfane Rutherford special turned the game in West Indies’ favour.

From 76/7, Rutherford guided West Indies to 149/9 with his scintillating knock of 68*, which included six maximums.

Among the factors working in Rutherford’s favour was the fact that New Zealand captain Kane Williamson used his pacers earlier than expected to run through the West Indies lineup, but a failure to achieve that led to them being left with Daryl Mitchell and Mitchell Santner bowling the last two overs.

“We knew that we needed to get Rutherford out and I think the batting depth of the West Indies side really shone through as beneficial for them, certainly today on that surface,” Williamson said after the defeat. “So, for us to try and take that wicket and try and have the opportunity to sort of restrict them in that 120 region, I think it [using up the pacers early] was worth doing but didn't quite pay off.

Calling the modern-day T20 cricket a game of “cat and mouse”, Williamson believed that inability to successfully execute this ploy left his side vulnerable to Rutherford’s fireworks in the final two overs.

“I think whatever overs that they [Mitchell and Santner] did bowl were going to be targeted and so that's the sort of the margins that you're always dealing with.

“I think, in T20 cricket nowadays with teams that are batting a lot deeper. And so, you're always trying to sort of play that game of cat and mouse, I suppose.”

Rutherford arrived at the wicket within the Powerplay as the top-order collapsed. After taking some time to settle, the left-handed batsman boosted his innings from 21 runs in 22 balls at one stage to 68* runs off 39 balls by the end of the West Indies batting effort.

The New Zealand captain praised Rutherford’s calculated batting.

“From 90/7, whatever the West Indies were, to get to 150 was a fantastic effort and incredibly smart and calculated batting from Rutherford. To put a contribution like that up on that surface was world-class and really got them a strong total on that wicket.”

Williamson also lauded the efforts of the West Indies bowlers, who picked regular wickets to stifle the Kiwi chase.

“Having said that, it's half a match and we know that we need to do some tough work in that second innings and try and get an over or two that you can try and break the game open. We weren't able to do that.

“We knew it would be tough and I thought the guys fought hard. But the West Indies know these conditions well and they're playing good cricket and unfortunately, like I say, it wasn't to be today.”

New Zealand sit at the bottom of Group C, with no points in their kitty and a negative net run rate of -2.425.

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Rana said:
Never doubt the home team
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Tbf, they were never going to lose to NZ in their current state.

But they were poor today. Its just that they bat deep and hence can make it up. Their a proper t20 team that adopts the bang bang mantra from 1-11
 
Southee reprimanded for breaching ICC Code of Conduct

New Zealand player Tim Southee has been handed an official reprimand for breaching Level 1 of the ICC Code of Conduct during their ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2024 Group C match against the West Indies at the Brian Lara Cricket Academy in Trinidad on Wednesday.

Southee was found to have breached Article 2.2 of the ICC Code of Conduct for Players and Player Support Personnel, which relates to “abuse of cricket equipment or clothing, ground equipment or fixtures and fittings during an International Match.”

In addition to this, one demerit point has been added to Southee’s disciplinary record, for whom it was the first offence in a 24-month period.

The incident occurred in the 18th over of New Zealand’s innings, when after his dismissal, Southee smashed a hand sanitizer dispenser on his way back to the dressing room.

Southee admitted the offence and accepted the sanction proposed by David Boon of the Emirates ICC Elite Panel of Match Referees, so there was no need for a formal hearing.

On-field umpires Ahsan Raza and Alex Wharf, third umpire Richard Illingworth and fourth umpire Michael Gough levelled the charge.

Level 1 breaches carry a minimum penalty of an official reprimand, a maximum penalty of 50 per cent of a player’s match fee, and one or two demerit points.
 
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