"What a befitting and bitter truth spoken by Shoaib Akhtar (regarding PCB)" : Younis Khan

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What a befitting and bitter truth spoken by <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@shoaib100mph</a>! It takes a backbone to be simply uncompromisingly forthright. Time for <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a> to honestly evaluate his remarks for the betterment of Pakistan Cricket and its players. I stand by with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShoaibAkhtar?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ShoaibAkhtar</a>. <a href="https://t.co/VuVYIYpcgi">pic.twitter.com/VuVYIYpcgi</a></p>— Younus Khan (@YounusK75) <a href="https://twitter.com/YounusK75/status/1255568463411757056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

Entertainment.

 

[Savak]

Don't understand what wrong did Shoaib Akhtar say, this guy Taffazul Rizvi has probably lost each and every high profile case he has represented the PCB in. The PCB BCCI Mou saga should have been the final straw but the PCB keeps retaining this guy as their external legal counsel. Are there no other high profile reputable law firms in Pakistan?

 

[MenInG]

So from the list of

Javed Miandad, Wasim Akram , Mohammad Yousuf, Moin Khan, Mushtaq Ahmed, Rashid Latif, Shoaib Akhtar and Younis Khan who are supposed to be working with PCB to motivate players etc - 3 have shown that they dont care for PCB...

 

[Hawkeye]

So from the list of

Javed Miandad, Wasim Akram , Mohammad Yousuf, Moin Khan, Mushtaq Ahmed, Rashid Latif, Shoaib Akhtar and Younis Khan who are supposed to be working with PCB to motivate players etc - 3 have shown that they dont care for PCB...

No.

They're just talking about their 'competent' legal dept.

 

[Savak]

So from the list of

Javed Miandad, Wasim Akram , Mohammad Yousuf, Moin Khan, Mushtaq Ahmed, Rashid Latif, Shoaib Akhtar and Younis Khan who are supposed to be working with PCB to motivate players etc - 3 have shown that they dont care for PCB...

So just because you work for an organization, you can't criticize it. Dictatorship much. How can the organization improve if people are not allowed to honestly critique its working.

The PCB should be men enough to acknowledge its faults and accept the problems, inefficiencies in their functioning and their systems rather than looking to silence people from speaking the truth

 

[Rana]

The Sharjeel Khan trial and now the Umar Akmal trial has me severely doubting the PCB’s dignity when it comes to delivering justice.

About time they might be held to accountability

 

[sshakir411]

Don't understand what wrong did Shoaib Akhtar say, this guy Taffazul Rizvi has probably lost each and every high profile case he has represented the PCB in. The PCB BCCI Mou saga should have been the final straw but the PCB keeps retaining this guy as their external legal counsel. Are there no other high profile reputable law firms in Pakistan?

The part where he said the legal team is inept is fine but he further went on to say “Rizvi takes money from PCB and complicates the cases” basically accusing him of malpractice. Unless Shoaib can prove it...he will end up retracting his statement and issuing and apology. There’s a fine line in stating your opinion on tv and accusing someone of a wrongdoing. Shoaib is dumb and does not know the difference.

 

[MenInG]

So just because you work for an organization, you can't criticize it. Dictatorship much. How can the organization improve if people are not allowed to honestly critique its working.

The PCB should be men enough to acknowledge its faults and accept the problems, inefficiencies in their functioning and their systems rather than looking to silence people from speaking the truth

Yes.

That means that you do not share the ideals of that orgranization and have no trust in leadership - who hired you!

Try this in any organization you work in and let me know how many minutes it takes before HR Call you to a 'meeting'

 

[Savak]

The part where he said the legal team is inept is fine but he further went on to say “Rizvi takes money from PCB and complicates the cases” basically accusing him of malpractice. Unless Shoaib can prove it...he will end up retracting his statement and issuing and apology. There’s a fine line in stating your opinion on tv and accusing someone of a wrongdoing. Shoaib is dumb and does not know the difference.

I can say the same about the immigration lawyer who I had hired to process my wife's sponsorship application. The application process is actually pretty simple, straightforward and there were just 1-2 minor ambiguities, questions which needed clarification which a lawyer can easily charge his time for.

However the entire process of dealing with the lawyer was extremely frustrating, they over complicated the most simple straight forward things which did not require a lot of time to spend on, which I could easily have dealt with on my own. Eventually three months later me and my dad just got frustrated because of the amount of time that was being spent, unnecessarily wasted and just told the lawyer to courier us all the forms, supporting documents we had sent him, that we will pay him for the time, effort he spent on our file and we will file the application ourselves.

The lawyer sent us our file and documents and an invoice for $5,000. Upon opening the package, I discovered to my horror, there were so many application forms where my wife's signatures were missing which the lawyer himself stated that they would ensure to get the missing signatures and supporting documents from my spouse and her family. The signatures that were there were obtained by us. Eventually after going through all the forms, documents and everything, we were like just what the hell did these lawyers do exactly in the last 3 months and what the hell are they demanding $5,000 for exactly? Outside Courier charges they have not even put $300-400 worth of work into this file.

Eventually I decided to handle everything on my own and filled out all the forms, coordinated with my wife, obtained the missing signatures, supporting documents from her via courier and eventually filed the application in 2 weeks. We have demanded an explanation from the lawyer as to what exactly did he do with our file and what is he demanding $5,000 for?

Anyways the jist of this entire anecdote is just to comment that I perfectly understand where Akhtar is coming from and what he is trying to say. You will find many people who have dealt with lawyers complaining about how unethically they overbill their clients for simple work that they don't even perform properly.

This guy Taffazul Rizvi has been representing the PCB for the last 15 years and he has probably been unsuccessful in each and every high profile case he chose to represent the PCB in

- Doping saga
- Shoaib Akhtar case
- Shahid Afridi case
- ICC case
- PCB BCCI case

Honestly the PCB BCCI Mou saga should have been the final straw in the coffin. Why does this guy and his law firm keep getting retained again and again as PCB's legal counsel inspite of so many failures? Any reputededly run company would have fired their legal representatives by now with such a track record of failure.

 

[Rana]

The part where he said the legal team is inept is fine but he further went on to say “Rizvi takes money from PCB and complicates the cases” basically accusing him of malpractice. Unless Shoaib can prove it...he will end up retracting his statement and issuing and apology. There’s a fine line in stating your opinion on tv and accusing someone of a wrongdoing. Shoaib is dumb and does not know the difference.

Ok smarty pants. Let’s wait for Shoaib’s legal response. The burden of proof is on Rizvi who is suing Shoaib on the basis of ‘opinion’. Shoaib never claimed to have actual proof or Rizvi’s malpractice, whereas Rizvi is clearly trying to intimidate illiterate Pakistani players like he has been doing for the last 5 years now.

I’m gunning for Shoaib to hire a proper lawyer to take this pathetic lawyer to the cleaners!

 

[Savak]

Yes.

That means that you do not share the ideals of that orgranization and have no trust in leadership - who hired you!

Try this in any organization you work in and let me know how many minutes it takes before HR Call you to a 'meeting'

But these people are not PCB employees. Based on that they have the right to express their views in public unless the PCB made them sign a pro Bono short term contract which forbids them from doing so.

In any case what does the PCB have to hide here. Why not be man enough to accept criticism

 

[Bhaijaan]

Yes.

That means that you do not share the ideals of that orgranization and have no trust in leadership - who hired you!

Try this in any organization you work in and let me know how many minutes it takes before HR Call you to a 'meeting'

Shoaib Akhtar is not some management trainee and i am shocked you are calling him out like in a disrespectful way bro.

He is THE fastest bowler ever, a legend of the game, 4th greatest cricketer to emerge from Pakistan after Sir Haneef Mohammad (May his soul rest in peace), Wasim Akram and The great Imran Khan.

When a legend of the calibre of Shoaib Akhtar speaks, it is the authority which has to justify to the awaam for its wrong doings.

PCB management people have come and gone while dealing with Shoaib Akhtar.

Remember the famous quote by Daenerys Targaryen, a dragon is no slave.

 

[Markhor]

Here comes another loose cannon and drama queen.

 

[Slog]

Yes.

That means that you do not share the ideals of that orgranization and have no trust in leadership - who hired you!

Try this in any organization you work in and let me know how many minutes it takes before HR Call you to a 'meeting'

The PCB is not some private organization.

 

[Zaz]

So just because you work for an organization, you can't criticize it. Dictatorship much. How can the organization improve if people are not allowed to honestly critique its working

If thats done privately theres no issue

If im doing it on social media then thats hurting the image of the person \ organisation publicly - that wont be acceptable

If shoaib had an issue then he shouldve picked up the phone and spoke to the relevant parties privately instead of splashing it for all the world to hear, see and judge

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Shoaib Akhtar is not some management trainee and i am shocked you are calling him out like in a disrespectful way bro.

He is THE fastest bowler ever, a legend of the game, 4th greatest cricketer to emerge from Pakistan after Sir Haneef Mohammad (May his soul rest in peace), Wasim Akram and The great Imran Khan.

When a legend of the calibre of Shoaib Akhtar speaks, it is the authority which has to justify to the awaam for its wrong doings.

PCB management people have come and gone while dealing with Shoaib Akhtar.

Remember the famous quote by Daenerys Targaryen, a dragon is no slave.

Trolling aside, I'd never wish a bad "employer" (like PCB in this scenario) to anyone!

Imagine working under some management who are as toxic, corrupt, arrogant and small-minded like PCB. Just imagine for a second. It's suffocating. No wonder, every ex-Pak cricketer hates guts of PCB.
Heck, IK started selecting people by himself instead of waiting for PCB's approval.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Trolling aside, I'd never wish a bad "employer" (like PCB in this scenario) to anyone!

Imagine working under some management who are as toxic, corrupt, arrogant and small-minded like PCB. Just imagine for a second. It's suffocating. No wonder, every ex-Pak cricketer hates guts of PCB.
Heck, IK started selecting people by himself instead of waiting for PCB's approval.

Not sure where you live but companies across Pakistan in my experience, minus the multinationals, are all like this haha

 

[Savak]

If thats done privately theres no issue

If im doing it on social media then thats hurting the image of the person \ organisation publicly - that wont be acceptable

If shoaib had an issue then he shouldve picked up the phone and spoke to the relevant parties privately instead of splashing it for all the world to hear, see and judge

Everyone knows that nothing happens in Pakistan when things are discussed privately. It gets brushed aside, ignored or forgotten. There is no choice but to take things public in order to bring about change. We as a nation only understand the danda

 

[Saj]

This could get interesting.

There are quite a few former players with an axe to grind.

 

[IMMY69]

This could get interesting.

There are quite a few former players with an axe to grind.

and sticking them at home in isolation isn’t gonna help &#55357;&#56833;

 

[Savak]

Lol, expecting a Taffazul Rizvi lawsuit against Younis Khan as well

 

[HitWicket]

Ok smarty pants. Let’s wait for Shoaib’s legal response. The burden of proof is on Rizvi who is suing Shoaib on the basis of ‘opinion’. Shoaib never claimed to have actual proof or Rizvi’s malpractice, whereas Rizvi is clearly trying to intimidate illiterate Pakistani players like he has been doing for the last 5 years now.

I’m gunning for Shoaib to hire a proper lawyer to take this pathetic lawyer to the cleaners!

A proper lawyer is going to tell him to issue an apology and beg Rizvi to allow him to settle this privately. Shoaib is the one that has made slanderous claims, the onus is on him to back them up with evidence now to prove those slanderous claims are true (which clearly he won't be able to do).

 

[Rana]

Lol, expecting a Taffazul Rizvi lawsuit against Younis Khan as well

Egomaniac lawyer trying to make money on uneducated Pakistanis

 

[Savak]

A proper lawyer is going to tell him to issue an apology and beg Rizvi to allow him to settle this privately. Shoaib is the one that has made slanderous claims, the onus is on him to back them up with evidence now to prove those slanderous claims are true (which clearly he won't be able to do).

A proper lawyer will dig into all the cases that Rizvi has represented the PCB in and decipher the cases won and lost of which there will be plenty in the later and then question why is this individual being continously retained by the PCB as their lawyer inspite of such a poor track record

 

[Hawkeye]

Here comes another loose cannon and drama queen.

Yes, he's a loose cannon and that actually helped him become the fastest bowler on earth, with ATG stats.

But, how is he wrong with his criticism?

 

[Rana]

A proper lawyer will dig into all the cases that Rizvi has represented the PCB in and decipher the cases won and lost of which there will be plenty in the later and then question why is this individual being continously retained by the PCB as their lawyer inspite of such a poor track record

Indeed. This Rizvi guy’s ego is going to be the death of him and his firm

 

[sshakir411]

Ok smarty pants. Let’s wait for Shoaib’s legal response. The burden of proof is on Rizvi who is suing Shoaib on the basis of ‘opinion’. Shoaib never claimed to have actual proof or Rizvi’s malpractice, whereas Rizvi is clearly trying to intimidate illiterate Pakistani players like he has been doing for the last 5 years now.

I’m gunning for Shoaib to hire a proper lawyer to take this pathetic lawyer to the cleaners!

So why accuse the guy of malpractice? He called him a dumb lawyer and that would not have resulted in this but he went on to say he does this for a living. I don’t think you understand the difference here.

 

[sshakir411]

I can say the same about the immigration lawyer who I had hired to process my wife's sponsorship application. The application process is actually pretty simple, straightforward and there were just 1-2 minor ambiguities, questions which needed clarification which a lawyer can easily charge his time for.

However the entire process of dealing with the lawyer was extremely frustrating, they over complicated the most simple straight forward things which did not require a lot of time to spend on, which I could easily have dealt with on my own. Eventually three months later me and my dad just got frustrated because of the amount of time that was being spent, unnecessarily wasted and just told the lawyer to courier us all the forms, supporting documents we had sent him, that we will pay him for the time, effort he spent on our file and we will file the application ourselves.

The lawyer sent us our file and documents and an invoice for $5,000. Upon opening the package, I discovered to my horror, there were so many application forms where my wife's signatures were missing which the lawyer himself stated that they would ensure to get the missing signatures and supporting documents from my spouse and her family. The signatures that were there were obtained by us. Eventually after going through all the forms, documents and everything, we were like just what the hell did these lawyers do exactly in the last 3 months and what the hell are they demanding $5,000 for exactly? Outside Courier charges they have not even put $300-400 worth of work into this file.

Eventually I decided to handle everything on my own and filled out all the forms, coordinated with my wife, obtained the missing signatures, supporting documents from her via courier and eventually filed the application in 2 weeks. We have demanded an explanation from the lawyer as to what exactly did he do with our file and what is he demanding $5,000 for?

Anyways the jist of this entire anecdote is just to comment that I perfectly understand where Akhtar is coming from and what he is trying to say. You will find many people who have dealt with lawyers complaining about how unethically they overbill their clients for simple work that they don't even perform properly.

This guy Taffazul Rizvi has been representing the PCB for the last 15 years and he has probably been unsuccessful in each and every high profile case he chose to represent the PCB in

- Doping saga
- Shoaib Akhtar case
- Shahid Afridi case
- ICC case
- PCB BCCI case

Honestly the PCB BCCI Mou saga should have been the final straw in the coffin. Why does this guy and his law firm keep getting retained again and again as PCB's legal counsel inspite of so many failures? Any reputededly run company would have fired their legal representatives by now with such a track record of failure.

You hired the wrong lawyer. You can accuse him of malpractice if you really think that’s what it was. Canada has due process and you’ll have a shot. If in fact your lawyer did something illegal which it doesn’t seem like. Should’ve consulted with a few attorneys to know who to go with.

 

[Savak]

You hired the wrong lawyer. You can accuse him of malpractice if you really think that’s what it was. Canada has due process and you’ll have a shot. If in fact your lawyer did something illegal which it doesn’t seem like. Should’ve consulted with a few attorneys to know who to go with.

Why does it seem like he has not done something illegal. Did you even read my entire post properly?

How can anyone bill and charge for work that they ultimately did not do properly?

 

[Savak]

So why accuse the guy of malpractice? He called him a dumb lawyer and that would not have resulted in this but he went on to say he does this for a living. I don’t think you understand the difference here.

He said he has lost each and every PCB case he has been on which can easily be confirmed. It also begs the question as to why does the PCB insist on keeping this loser lawyer as their legal representative inspite of his looser track record for them?

 

[daytrader]

These ego maniac ex players can back each other up all they like on social media but until they toe the line they don't have a future with PCB

 

[hitthestump]

Wonder if Younis felt the same way when Shoaib specifically ripped into him on live tv after the 2015 WC match where we lost to the Windies.

 

[Savak]

These ego maniac ex players can back each other up all they like on social media but until they toe the line they don't have a future with PCB

Lol at toe the line with the PCB as if that's a good thing. The players make more outside the PCB anyways, who would want to work with such an unstable, unreliable employer

 

[Abdul]

Ah yes, thanks for chiming in. Can always count on Saint Younis / Mr. I'm a Team Man.

 

[Savak]

Wonder if Younis felt the same way when Shoaib specifically ripped into him on live tv after the 2015 WC match where we lost to the Windies.

Why should he? An honest real man can man fully take justified criticism when it comes there way unlike Gautam Gambhir who gets personal whenever someone criticizes him rather than take it peacefully and constructively

 

[HitWicket]

He said he has lost each and every PCB case he has been on which can easily be confirmed. It also begs the question as to why does the PCB insist on keeping this loser lawyer as their legal representative inspite of his looser track record for them?

In what way can it be easily confirmed? He claims he has a 99% success rate for the PCB, I highly doubt he's lied in his official legal initiation of a defamation case.

 

[Rana]

So why accuse the guy of malpractice? He called him a dumb lawyer and that would not have resulted in this but he went on to say he does this for a living. I don’t think you understand the difference here.

No I am quite certain that Shoaib did not make absolute statements in his rant, it’s a figure of speech not only in the Urdu language but also in the English language.

Now if this cheap lawyer wants to further expose his incompetence by intimidation and suing Shoaib, he is most welcome to but I feel more damage will be done to Rizvi’s declining career if this goes into a public mud-slinging battle. Rizvi could well have just issues a public statement saying that he respects the views of a former Pakistan great but he has always served PCB with the utmost professionalism and sincerity. This would have been enough and Shoaib would just lose credibility and sympathy. Instead this joker issued a notice demanding an apology and retraction of comment, further enhancing his image as a selfish man intent on taking on cricketers. He’s on a streak as he won convictions against a PCB tribunal court against Sharjeel Khan and Umar Akmal, so his head is currently in the clouds.

Shoaib is another level when it comes to dealing with a crook.

 

[daytrader]

Lol at toe the line with the PCB as if that's a good thing. The players make more outside the PCB anyways, who would want to work with such an unstable, unreliable employer

The same unreliable employer that was paying their salaries in their playing days and due to which these individuals are where they are today. They rather appease to their foreign audiences on social media rather than contribute positively towards betterment of Pakistani cricket. Namak haram is the best words to describe then

 

[AFM]

Can always rely on that generation for off field drama. Even when there is no cricket and they are long time retired

 

[Savak]

The same unreliable employer that was paying their salaries in their playing days and due to which these individuals are where they are today. They rather appease to their foreign audiences on social media rather than contribute positively towards betterment of Pakistani cricket. Namak haram is the best words to describe then

These players are the ones due to which the PCB was earning, the PCB was not doing an ehsaan by paying their salaries, the salaries were a legal right for services performed. Younis Khan was willing to become the U16, U19, A team coach and chief selector but was passed on by the PCB. Mohd Yousaf applied to become the NCA Batting coach but was passed on by the PCB. There is no Namak ****** here, only the PCB looking for yes men rather than caring and worrying about the present and future generations of Pakistani Cricket.

 

[daytrader]

Can always rely on that generation for off field drama. Even when there is no cricket and they are long time retired

Spot on. PCB is considered unprofessional but in all honesty the most unprofessional thing about the organization is they lost control over players especially of that generation. Imo this was a combination of having strong individuals as captains that were pulling their weight in selecting their favorites and political appointments in board leadership. Hopefully this nonsense stops in IK's era as we need a strong board for our cricket to progress. Otherwise we'll always be relying on individual talent to win us matches.

 

[Savak]

In what way can it be easily confirmed? He claims he has a 99% success rate for the PCB, I highly doubt he's lied in his official legal initiation of a defamation case.

These are the high profile cases i can think off he has represented the PCB in the last 15 years

- Doping Saga
- Akhtar Ban and Fine Controversy
- Asif Dubai Saga
- ICC Case for withdrawing Pakistan's hosting rights
- Shahid Afridi Case
- PCB Mou Saga

Not a single victory for the PCB. In fact his services should have been terminated after the massive PCB loss to the BCCI.

 

[sshakir411]

No I am quite certain that Shoaib did not make absolute statements in his rant, it’s a figure of speech not only in the Urdu language but also in the English language.

Now if this cheap lawyer wants to further expose his incompetence by intimidation and suing Shoaib, he is most welcome to but I feel more damage will be done to Rizvi’s declining career if this goes into a public mud-slinging battle. Rizvi could well have just issues a public statement saying that he respects the views of a former Pakistan great but he has always served PCB with the utmost professionalism and sincerity. This would have been enough and Shoaib would just lose credibility and sympathy. Instead this joker issued a notice demanding an apology and retraction of comment, further enhancing his image as a selfish man intent on taking on cricketers. He’s on a streak as he won convictions against a PCB tribunal court against Sharjeel Khan and Umar Akmal, so his head is currently in the clouds.

Shoaib is another level when it comes to dealing with a crook.

Yeah we’ve seen Shoaib’s genius before. We’ll see how this turns out Rana sahib. And for the record it’s the genius here who is mud slinging. The lawyer never even mentioned Shoaib. But I guess it’s too hard or complicated for you to understand. We’ll leave it at that and pick this up when the story develops. Deal?

 

[Savak]

No I am quite certain that Shoaib did not make absolute statements in his rant, it’s a figure of speech not only in the Urdu language but also in the English language.

Now if this cheap lawyer wants to further expose his incompetence by intimidation and suing Shoaib, he is most welcome to but I feel more damage will be done to Rizvi’s declining career if this goes into a public mud-slinging battle. Rizvi could well have just issues a public statement saying that he respects the views of a former Pakistan great but he has always served PCB with the utmost professionalism and sincerity. This would have been enough and Shoaib would just lose credibility and sympathy. Instead this joker issued a notice demanding an apology and retraction of comment, further enhancing his image as a selfish man intent on taking on cricketers. He’s on a streak as he won convictions against a PCB tribunal court against Sharjeel Khan and Umar Akmal, so his head is currently in the clouds.

Shoaib is another level when it comes to dealing with a crook.

How did he win against Umar Akmal, Umar Akmal came to the hearing without a lawyer and was basically defending his own self. Rizvi had to do nothing here.

 

[daytrader]

These players are the ones due to which the PCB was earning, the PCB was not doing an ehsaan by paying their salaries, the salaries were a legal right for services performed. Younis Khan was willing to become the U16, U19, A team coach and chief selector but was passed on by the PCB. Mohd Yousaf applied to become the NCA Batting coach but was passed on by the PCB. There is no Namak ****** here, only the PCB looking for yes men rather than caring and worrying about the present and future generations of Pakistani Cricket.

There have been players which have been harder done by PCB (Fawad, Sadaf etc.) and I'm sure other boards have similar examples. No body else but our entitled generation criticizes their board like these guys do. If these guys are sincere towards improving Pakistani cricket, there are other ways they can contribute, doesn't necessarily have to be a PCB position. At one point shoaib was going to travel around the country playing street cricket to spot talent, whatever happened to that? YK also dropped out of lvl 3 coaching certificate because there weren't adequate living arrangements for his highness. The guy was too cheap to pay for a hotel room. These guys are nothing but dramaybaaz. Yes they had success in national colours, but Pakistan is a talented country, if it wasn't these guys it would've been someone else

 

[Rana]

Yeah we’ve seen Shoaib’s genius before. We’ll see how this turns out Rana sahib. And for the record it’s the genius here who is mud slinging. The lawyer never even mentioned Shoaib. But I guess it’s too hard or complicated for you to understand. We’ll leave it at that and pick this up when the story develops. Deal?

I’m afraid I don’t think it’s too complicated for me to understand this and I am not thinking as an biased fan in support of my hero Shoaib. Not sure where you chose to include the word ‘genuis’ for Shoaib because I didn’t. What I do know is that Rizvi may have picked a fight too big for him as Shoaib will drag this guy through the mud on every step of the way.

I guess you may have started to watch cricket recently SShakir so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt

 

[Rana]

How did he win against Umar Akmal, Umar Akmal came to the hearing without a lawyer and was basically defending his own self. Rizvi had to do nothing here.

Yet Rizvi over complicated the issue by going into a cross examination phase and probably racked up his invoice to the PCB in the process. This is why I want this to go to full war.

Umar the joker was saving money by not hiring a defence lawyer and he thought he would be out in 6 months- 1 year. Now he needs to make sure that he gets his brother to find him a proper lawyer and fight his case properly at the appeal.

 

[Usman]

Wow Shoaib and now Younus are all part of the corruption problem in Pakistani cricket.

Do you know why we keep getting cases of corruption in Pakistani cricket? Because every time a case comes up, the perpetrators are let off so easily that no one is discouraged from making the mistake again.

Take Umer Akmal. Here is a guy who is one of the most experienced cricketers in the country. He knows his responsibilities when it comes to corruption matters, including reporting corrupt approaches. Yet he failed, not for the first time in his career, to report two seperate corrupt approaches. What's worse is that, on being charged for doing so, he expressed no remorse and spent his trial justifying his actions. It simply could not be more obvious that this is someone who simply does not give a damn about the rules. He justifiably got a lengthy sentence which reflects his lack of understanding and remorse.

Instead of backing this tough stance taken by the disciplinary committee, our ex-cricketers do all they can to discredit the process. They discredit the lawyer and they discredit the PCB. In the process, they very deliberately undermine Akmal's punishment and make the public sympthaise with him, as if he's been hard done by.

The impact of undermining the system is that cricketers will continue to engage in corrupt practices, believing that it is ok to do so.

 

[adzzy786]

All these cricketers are essentially all sour former employees.

 

[sshakir411]

I’m afraid I don’t think it’s too complicated for me to understand this and I am not thinking as an biased fan in support of my hero Shoaib. Not sure where you chose to include the word ‘genuis’ for Shoaib because I didn’t. What I do know is that Rizvi may have picked a fight too big for him as Shoaib will drag this guy through the mud on every step of the way.

I guess you may have started to watch cricket recently SShakir so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt

LOL. How did Rizvi pick a fight here, genius? Wasn't it Shoaib who brought him up and not the other way around?

 

[the Great Khan]

Wow Shoaib and now Younus are all part of the corruption problem in Pakistani cricket.

Do you know why we keep getting cases of corruption in Pakistani cricket? Because every time a case comes up, the perpetrators are let off so easily that no one is discouraged from making the mistake again.

Take Umer Akmal. Here is a guy who is one of the most experienced cricketers in the country. He knows his responsibilities when it comes to corruption matters, including reporting corrupt approaches. Yet he failed, not for the first time in his career, to report two seperate corrupt approaches. What's worse is that, on being charged for doing so, he expressed no remorse and spent his trial justifying his actions. It simply could not be more obvious that this is someone who simply does not give a damn about the rules. He justifiably got a lengthy sentence which reflects his lack of understanding and remorse.

Instead of backing this tough stance taken by the disciplinary committee, our ex-cricketers do all they can to discredit the process. They discredit the lawyer and they discredit the PCB. In the process, they very deliberately undermine Akmal's punishment and make the public sympthaise with him, as if he's been hard done by.

The impact of undermining the system is that cricketers will continue to engage in corrupt practices, believing that it is ok to do so.

this. End of story.

even of the lawyer is useless, we arent lawyers and dont understand the arguments and procedures. And neither does Actor sahib. He needs to shut his mouth and work on improving the talent we have out there. Give something back to the kids after the billions of times he let us down in the arena.

as for Younis, well I rate him as a batsman but his fixed narrow thinking has always let him down. His stubborness caused us years of pain which eventually lead to the 2010 scandal. He needs to pipe down and stay out of this one.

 

[Savak]

this. End of story.

even of the lawyer is useless, we arent lawyers and dont understand the arguments and procedures. And neither does Actor sahib. He needs to shut his mouth and work on improving the talent we have out there. Give something back to the kids after the billions of times he let us down in the arena.

as for Younis, well I rate him as a batsman but his fixed narrow thinking has always let him down. His stubborness caused us years of pain which eventually lead to the 2010 scandal. He needs to pipe down and stay out of this one.

Younis Khan caused the 2010 scandal? Can I have what you are smoking please

 

[the Great Khan]

Younis Khan caused the 2010 scandal? Can I have what you are smoking please

indirectly his actions did. If he had bit his tongue a bit and not thrown a hissy fit at the PCB, he could have been the cuptaan for a few years including 2010. He may have been able to guide amir, and prevent a loser like Butt to influence the others. Maybe teh akmals would have been dropped ..who knows? but he threw his toys out of the pram and we eventually ended up with Butt..

 

[Rana]

LOL. How did Rizvi pick a fight here, genius? Wasn't it Shoaib who brought him up and not the other way around?

Who sent the legal notice? Rizvi is more than welcome to defend himself like gentlemen do and that is by clarifying it through a public statement.

Sending a legal notice is below the belt, but I am hoping this is a decision he will live to regret

 

[Rana]

indirectly his actions did. If he had bit his tongue a bit and not thrown a hissy fit at the PCB, he could have been the cuptaan for a few years including 2010. He may have been able to guide amir, and prevent a loser like Butt to influence the others. Maybe teh akmals would have been dropped ..who knows? but he threw his toys out of the pram and we eventually ended up with Butt..

This makes no sense. God help you my friend

 

[Asifnow]

Yes.

That means that you do not share the ideals of that orgranization and have no trust in leadership - who hired you!

Try this in any organization you work in and let me know how many minutes it takes before HR Call you to a 'meeting'

Not true at all in the western world mate (excluding organisations working closely with governments to influence policy even then there's some leeway). In fact orgs here encourage employees to criticise as long as it is constructive, I'm not entirely sure on Akhtar's comments but I'm replying to the general point in your argument.

My company, a reputable private health sector organisation in the UK openly asks for criticisms and improvements. No one here feels fearful of voicing their opinion. It is the same in some other companies I've been a part of, including KPMG, quite a large financial firm.

 

[Rana]

Not true at all in the western world mate (excluding organisations working closely with governments to influence policy even then there's some leeway). In fact orgs here encourage employees to criticise as long as it is constructive, I'm not entirely sure on Akhtar's comments but I'm replying to the general point in your argument.

My company, a reputable private health sector organisation in the UK openly asks for criticisms and improvements. No one here feels fearful of voicing their opinion. It is the same in some other companies I've been a part of, including KPMG, quite a large financial firm.

Akhtar’s criticism of PCB seemed fair, but he really tore into Rizvi and pretty much ended his career during his 10 minute video.

He made Rizvi look like the most useless lawyer in the world

 

[Waq]

Not true at all in the western world mate (excluding organisations working closely with governments to influence policy even then there's some leeway). In fact orgs here encourage employees to criticise as long as it is constructive, I'm not entirely sure on Akhtar's comments but I'm replying to the general point in your argument.

My company, a reputable private health sector organisation in the UK openly asks for criticisms and improvements. No one here feels fearful of voicing their opinion. It is the same in some other companies I've been a part of, including KPMG, quite a large financial firm.

Your point is on the right track but not valid as it lacks the details of protected disclosures, more commonly known as whistle blowing.

All employees whether public or private sector can ‘blow the whistle’ and report their organisation for wrongdoing without fear of retribution or impact on their job.

What you cannot do is go to the media whilst you are an employee or you risk losing your job. Most employee contracts forbid you and even if it didn’t, an employer could argue some form of misconduct whether it be specifically in the contract or not.

Whistleblowing is an internal matter or you go to the regulator, trade union etc. Not to the media as that holds a kangaroo court!

Shoaib Akhtar and Younis - not sure if either have contracts with PCB as ambassadors.

 

[HitWicket]

Sending a legal notice is below the belt, but I am hoping this is a decision he will live to regret

Hilarious, but potentially making up lies that, that you've just conceded could end his career, is completely above the belt?

 

[Rana]

Hilarious, but potentially making up lies that, that you've just conceded could end his career, is completely above the belt?

If this was series of attack by Shoaib on this lawyer, I would say that Rizvi is well within his rights to respond with a law suit. I don’t think one rant justifies a legal response.

Coming to the point of ending his career, I am quite sure that a legal battle in which Rizvi would have to justify PCB’s legal handling of allowing online betting companies to function through PSL streaming will get him into some trouble. So I recon both parties need to take a step back and just suck it up.

 

[MenInG]

Not true at all in the western world mate (excluding organisations working closely with governments to influence policy even then there's some leeway). In fact orgs here encourage employees to criticise as long as it is constructive, I'm not entirely sure on Akhtar's comments but I'm replying to the general point in your argument.

My company, a reputable private health sector organisation in the UK openly asks for criticisms and improvements. No one here feels fearful of voicing their opinion. It is the same in some other companies I've been a part of, including KPMG, quite a large financial firm.

A firm asking for suggestions via a mechanism such as a questionnaire or email direct to them is one thing.

An employee/contractor going on his YouTube channel to badmouth his employer is something else. Its a fireable offence in any part of the world.

Huge difference

 

[Batsman e Azam]

Younis, Shoaib and Tafazzul Sahib please do this after iftaar, as I am not able to enjoy this entertainment fully, without popcorn.

 

[Snowflake]

The amount of contempt that Younis Khan holds for the PCB, after all that the PCB put up with during his playing days, just reeks of ungratefulness and arrogance. The guy was a primadonna of the highest order who was involved in some sort of trouble every now and then.

His behavior would have had him thrown out from any other board and now to see him sit on TV and blast PCB at every other opportunity? Such players think the board is nothing without them without realizing that its a two-way street. Pathetic!

 

[Asifnow]

Your point is on the right track but not valid as it lacks the details of protected disclosures, more commonly known as whistle blowing.

All employees whether public or private sector can ‘blow the whistle’ and report their organisation for wrongdoing without fear of retribution or impact on their job.

What you cannot do is go to the media whilst you are an employee or you risk losing your job. Most employee contracts forbid you and even if it didn’t, an employer could argue some form of misconduct whether it be specifically in the contract or not.

Whistleblowing is an internal matter or you go to the regulator, trade union etc. Not to the media as that holds a kangaroo court!

Shoaib Akhtar and Younis - not sure if either have contracts with PCB as ambassadors.

I agree with some of this but whistle blowing is not an internal matter, and in fact, whistle blowing is usually the term given to an employee who goes to the media or releases information onto the internet (modern day). Often it is done for the right reason, by the employee or citizen even.

I agree that in this dispute, there may be the correct or incorrect way of doing things. My response really is in terms of [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] post which I took to be more general (correct me if it wasn't).

As for Akhtar, the guy loves to blow his own pipe and I have no idea regarding Rizvi and if he is a useful lawyer or not (seems to be a bit rubbish from what little I have read). Having said that it seems because of this "we are powerful so don't contradict" us culture in Asia many people feel the need to go to the media, Akhtar, Younis and several others have done so in the past.

The sad thing is, its not as if AKhtar himself is above scrutiny and his career his blighted with controversy where he didn't necessarily put his team first.

 

[sshakir411]

Who sent the legal notice? Rizvi is more than welcome to defend himself like gentlemen do and that is by clarifying it through a public statement.

Sending a legal notice is below the belt, but I am hoping this is a decision he will live to regret

It’s not below the belt when someone totally unrelated to what you’ve done calls you a sell out. After the whole Akmal saga and press releases of Rizvi there was no mention of Shoaib Akhtar. Not once. But Shoaib felt the need to publish a video talking crap about Rizvi. So who started it? The legal notice was after Shoaib went on and spread dung all over Rizvi. You need to get your facts straight.

 

[daytrader]

The amount of contempt that Younis Khan holds for the PCB, after all that the PCB put up with during his playing days, just reeks of ungratefulness and arrogance. The guy was a primadonna of the highest order who was involved in some sort of trouble every now and then.

His behavior would have had him thrown out from any other board and now to see him sit on TV and blast PCB at every other opportunity? Such players think the board is nothing without them without realizing that its a two-way street. Pathetic!

But that smile though

 

[Saj]

Younis is still smarting about how PCB treated him as a player.

Also what Rashid Latif says, Younis does.

 

[Rana]

It’s not below the belt when someone totally unrelated to what you’ve done calls you a sell out. After the whole Akmal saga and press releases of Rizvi there was no mention of Shoaib Akhtar. Not once. But Shoaib felt the need to publish a video talking crap about Rizvi. So who started it? The legal notice was after Shoaib went on and spread dung all over Rizvi. You need to get your facts straight.

This is the PCB lawyer who Shoaib feels is a major let down and an opportunist. Shoaib is immaturely voicing his opinion but at the end of the day is just voicing his opinion on him. So now Rizvi is saying that he is allowed to be inept and he will also take on anyone who questions his uselessness as a lawyer?

 

[silentkiller187]

The amount of contempt that Younis Khan holds for the PCB, after all that the PCB put up with during his playing days, just reeks of ungratefulness and arrogance. The guy was a primadonna of the highest order who was involved in some sort of trouble every now and then.

His behavior would have had him thrown out from any other board and now to see him sit on TV and blast PCB at every other opportunity? Such players think the board is nothing without them without realizing that its a two-way street. Pathetic!

Brilliant player but never really rated him as a person, seems very childish and arrogant. Someone raised a really good point about his potential involvement in Mohali in one of the other threads..I wouldn’t be surprised

 

[Hawkeye]

This is the PCB lawyer who Shoaib feels is a major let down and an opportunist. Shoaib is immaturely voicing his opinion but at the end of the day is just voicing his opinion on him. So now Rizvi is saying that he is allowed to be inept and he will also take on anyone who questions his uselessness as a lawyer?

[MENTION=49505]sshakir411[/MENTION] seems to have something personal here defending Rizvi like nobody else has done.

What's going on.

Akhtar has every right to criticize the PCB or its units. Just like KP can criticize the ECB or any other (ex)cricketer of any other board.

 

[HitWicket]

[MENTION=49505]sshakir411[/MENTION] seems to have something personal here defending Rizvi like nobody else has done.

What's going on.

Akhtar has every right to criticize the PCB or its units. Just like KP can criticize the ECB or any other (ex)cricketer of any other board.

Of course they do, what he doesn't have the right to do is make up false information to defame someone else.

 

[Abdullah719]

Of course they do, what he doesn't have the right to do is make up false information to defame someone else.

Apparently freedom of speech should mean complete freedom of speech without any repercussions or responsibility for your statements...

Anyway, no one has anything to be worried about. If Akhtar didn't say anything wrong then I'm sure he can adequately defend himself and get a positive result in his favor.

 

[sshakir411]

[MENTION=49505]sshakir411[/MENTION] seems to have something personal here defending Rizvi like nobody else has done.

What's going on.

Akhtar has every right to criticize the PCB or its units. Just like KP can criticize the ECB or any other (ex)cricketer of any other board.

I’ve personally lost brain cells reading what you, Rana, and Savak wrote. So yes, for my mental health I felt necessary to point out the defamation here. If you still think Akhtar was just voicing an opinion by accusing Rizvi of malpractice then I’m sorry you really need to up your comprehension game.

 

[Usman]

this. End of story.

even of the lawyer is useless, we arent lawyers and dont understand the arguments and procedures. And neither does Actor sahib. He needs to shut his mouth and work on improving the talent we have out there. Give something back to the kids after the billions of times he let us down in the arena.

as for Younis, well I rate him as a batsman but his fixed narrow thinking has always let him down. His stubborness caused us years of pain which eventually lead to the 2010 scandal. He needs to pipe down and stay out of this one.

I agree that Akthar would do well to stick to what he knows i.e. cricket, rather than pass judgment on the abilities of the PCB lawyer. I am a lawyer myself and can safely say that to me, Akthar's criticisms make little sense. For a start, the PCB lawyer is not the one who convicted Umer - that was the job of the disciplinary panel chairman. It's clear that Akthar has personal beef with the lawyer and is taking that out on his YouTube channel.

Whilst I wouldn't go as far as blaming Younus for 2010, I do agree that Younus the human being has some major character flaws. He regularly says and does things which make you question his mental state and sanity. This is yet another comment for Younus in a long list of inappropriate comments.

Akhtar’s criticism of PCB seemed fair, but he really tore into Rizvi and pretty much ended his career during his 10 minute video.

He made Rizvi look like the most useless lawyer in the world

I could not disagree more. Posting a YouTube video in which your hurl personal insults at someone does nothing but ruin your own reputation. Akthar is clearly no Einstein - nothing Akthar said was backed up by any actual evidence and it was mostly just ranting. Even the comments about the PSL streaming rights and how they enabled online betting didn't make any sense - Akthar came across as way out of his depth. Akthar should stick to cricket and refrain from making himself look like such a tool.

 

[Savak]

I actually agree that Akhtar's criticism of Rizvi comes across as someone holding a personal grudge and dislike and what he ranted was most probably a personal opinion rather than having any actual evidence of wrong doing.

That said, why is this guy Rizvi continously retained by the PCB again and again even though he has been their external legal representative for the last 15 years where the PCB has lost a lot of high profile cases. More importantly as Khalid Mehmood has asked, why does the PCB have so many lawyers, why have none of the lawyers been held to account for the PCB-BCCI MOU saga?

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you <a href="https://twitter.com/YounusK75?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YounusK75</a> for further substantiating my claim. <a href="https://t.co/IH4JsVbDuW">https://t.co/IH4JsVbDuW</a></p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1255965031121985538?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>