What changes would you implement to prepare for ICC World Cup 2027?

[mominsaigol]

As of writing, our world cup campaign isn't over and hope is not lost, however its very clear after suffering the 2nd humiliating defeat towards India, we need changes and need to actually prepare for 2027. Pakistani fans are simply not happy.

Pakistan have wasted 4 years since 2019 and thats a cold hard fact given the gap between Pakistan and SENA + India. Beating them won't be something consistent, more like a once in a blue moon occurrence.

All the posters here who are unhappy, Boys this is your chance, All changes you would like implemented, Share your suggestions.

Here are some of mine.

1) Play 2nd string teams in tours with only a few seniors being squad rotated here and their for match pracitse and dont focus on results or ranks, players will come good if given a chance.

^^ This will allow us to groom youngsters in the same NZ Was able to groom the likes of Mitchell and Chapman in their D tier tour against us.

2) Form and Merit > So called miracle experience.

players need to be selected on form, and not the so called this player once played a match winning innings centuries ago so they shpuld be included.

We did this with choosing jamshed for sarfi in 2015, we did this with choosing shehzad over fakhar for 3 games in CT 2017 amd we are doing this with not choosing saim ayub over fakhar.

If these guys are put of form then they need to go back to domestic, as simple as that. BCCI didn't hesitate to drop an experienced fizzled our dhawan for Red hot form Gill.

3) No More Dosti Yaari

Stop throwing players like zaman Khan who just made his debut and isn't groomed yet and putting pressure on the lad by saying he sucks infront of the media while you have the audacity to claim shadab and nawaz who even in the world cup avg an economy of 70 are your best bowlers. Usama did better in warmups then shadab, why is sheddy our VC? Let alone playing? Enough with the whole 2017 yuvraj wicket and tournament form, as stated in point 2, that was ages ago.

4) Adopt a system of modern day aggression rather then focus on avg and rankings.

Because pcb selects players on averages and ranks, any idiot just slowly slowly nudges the ball and stat pads their way cough imam cough.

What's the point of showing aggression if that is not the criteria for selection? If the criteria for selection is playing match losing 50's then no thanks.

I want someone like saim ayub and haris cause if they don't perform then that's okay they can get groomed, but if they do perform, expect match winning games, it's why we backed on fakhar so much.

Imam may perform more consistently but who cares, if he and Babar perform or don't perform, it never makes a difference against A string teams lol.

 

[saqib.rai]

As of writing, our world cup campaign isn't over and hope is not lost, however its very clear after suffering the 2nd humiliating defeat towards India, we need changes and need to actually prepare for 2027. Pakistani fans are simply not happy.

Pakistan have wasted 4 years since 2019 and thats a cold hard fact given the gap between Pakistan and SENA + India. Beating them won't be something consistent, more like a once in a blue moon occurrence.

All the posters here who are unhappy, Boys this is your chance, All changes you would like implemented, Share your suggestions.

Here are some of mine.

1) Play 2nd string teams in tours with only a few seniors being squad rotated here and their for match pracitse and dont focus on results or ranks, players will come good if given a chance.

^^ This will allow us to groom youngsters in the same NZ Was able to groom the likes of Mitchell and Chapman in their D tier tour against us.

2) Form and Merit > So called miracle experience.

players need to be selected on form, and not the so called this player once played a match winning innings centuries ago so they shpuld be included.

We did this with choosing jamshed for sarfi in 2015, we did this with choosing shehzad over fakhar for 3 games in CT 2017 amd we are doing this with not choosing saim ayub over fakhar.

If these guys are put of form then they need to go back to domestic, as simple as that. BCCI didn't hesitate to drop an experienced fizzled our dhawan for Red hot form Gill.

3) No More Dosti Yaari

Stop throwing players like zaman Khan who just made his debut and isn't groomed yet and putting pressure on the lad by saying he sucks infront of the media while you have the audacity to claim shadab and nawaz who even in the world cup avg an economy of 70 are your best bowlers. Usama did better in warmups then shadab, why is sheddy our VC? Let alone playing? Enough with the whole 2017 yuvraj wicket and tournament form, as stated in point 2, that was ages ago.

4) Adopt a system of modern day aggression rather then focus on avg and rankings.

Because pcb selects players on averages and ranks, any idiot just slowly slowly nudges the ball and stat pads their way cough imam cough.

What's the point of showing aggression if that is not the criteria for selection? If the criteria for selection is playing match losing 50's then no thanks.

I want someone like saim ayub and haris cause if they don't perform then that's okay they can get groomed, but if they do perform, expect match winning games, it's why we backed on fakhar so much.

Imam may perform more consistently but who cares, if he and Babar perform or don't perform, it never makes a difference against A string teams lol.

We would win this World Cup. So why look so ahead in the future ??
However, we should get a World Class Coach and give him a 4 year contract. He should be allowed to pick his team.

The problem with players resting is that no one apart from Babar and Shaheen is a certainty. So players are always unsure whether to rest or not as the new person might take their place.

Abid Ali averages 49 in tests. Got a medical condition, was rested. Imam took his place and scored runs on highways. Now Abid is back playing but is no where near the test team. Why would anyone want to rest looking at this?

Babar doesn't rest as the new captain might impress and then toxic fans and media would start wanting Babar to be removed as captain.

A classic example of why long term coaches are required is this: Amir clearly conveyed to Mickey that he would retire from test cricket after the 2019 WC and Mickey agreed. Mickey was removed and Misbah and Waqar came in his place.
We went to Australia, got whitewashed and all the blame was put on Amir for 'ditching' the team by 2 pathetic human beings Misbah and Waqar. They then dropped Amir from white ball as well.

With our board regularly changing, it's a far fetched dream to except that one coach would be allowed to complete his tenure. Pakistan cricket doesn't work in a vacuum, the pathetic state of the country affects our cricket as well.

So be happy that atleast we are still a world class team, otherwise with what is happening in the country, it's a big surprise that we haven't gone the West Indies way yet.

 

[mominsaigol]

We would win this World Cup. So why look so ahead in the future ??
However, we should get a World Class Coach and give him a 4 year contract. He should be allowed to pick his team.

The problem with players resting is that no one apart from Babar and Shaheen is a certainty. So players are always unsure whether to rest or not as the new person might take their place.

Abid Ali averages 49 in tests. Got a medical condition, was rested. Imam took his place and scored runs on highways. Now Abid is back playing but is no where near the test team. Why would anyone want to rest looking at this?

Babar doesn't rest as the new captain might impress and then toxic fans and media would start wanting Babar to be removed as captain.

A classic example of why long term coaches are required is this: Amir clearly conveyed to Mickey that he would retire from test cricket after the 2019 WC and Mickey agreed. Mickey was removed and Misbah and Waqar came in his place.
We went to Australia, got whitewashed and all the blame was put on Amir for 'ditching' the team by 2 pathetic human beings Misbah and Waqar. They then dropped Amir from white ball as well.

With our board regularly changing, it's a far fetched dream to except that one coach would be allowed to complete his tenure. Pakistan cricket doesn't work in a vacuum, the pathetic state of the country affects our cricket as well.

So be happy that atleast we are still a world class team, otherwise with what is happening in the country, it's a big surprise that we haven't gone the West Indies way yet.

We aren't a world class team though? And judging from our games against India it isn't exactly easy to win this cup.

Saying we would as a definite certainty is a bit too much hope.

 

[saqib.rai]

We aren't a world class team though? And judging from our games against India it isn't exactly easy to win this cup.

Saying we would as a definite certainty is a bit too much hope.

Being Pakistan has made me really optimistic as a human being as there is no other way to not fall into depression.

We are world class in white ball atleast: played final and semi-final of last 2 t20 WCs
Were just recently ranked number 1 in ODI

An optimistic person would say we are world class

 

[ExpressPacer]

Oh bhai, SENA is leagues ahead of us? England just got humiliated by Afghanistan of all teams and Australia lost equally bad to India as we did.

Focus on this WC. As you said, this WC campaign isn't over and we have only just lost 1 game. We were expected to lose to the hosts anyway. India is on a roll at the moment, I wouldn't take the loss too seriously.

 

[giri26]

Pakistan's major problem so far this WC is the spin. If you look at the 3 spinners in the team, this is their record since Jan 2023:

Shadab - Matches 14, wkts 15, Ave 42, econ 5.72
Nawaz - Matches 13, wkts 11. Ave 48 econ 5.25
Usama Mir - Matches 8, wkts 11, Ave 35, econ 5.43

Now to the part-timers
Agha Salman - Mat 15, wkts 4, Ave 80, econ 5.56
Iftikhar - Mat 12, wkts 5, Ave 41, econ 6.47

The above is the reason Pakistan is struggling in the middle overs. None of the above bowlers inspire any confidence. They can neither contain nor can they pick wickets. I am surprised Pakistan thought they are going in to this WC with a great attack just believing on their Pace attack.

Since Pakistan's match against India in the Asia cup, here are the averages of the pacers

Afridi - 38 at an economy rate of 6.58
Haris - 35 at an economy of 5.9

Only Hasan Ali has done well with an Average of 19.7 but with an economy of 6.0

So now when you have a bowling attack like above, consistency is difficult unless your batters can score 350 every game. If Pakistan want to change something for the next WC they should build a better bench and pick bowlers based on performances. The pacers are fine at least as they were doing well before the Asia cup but what is the excuse for picking such poor spinners?

 

[deltexas]

As of writing, our world cup campaign isn't over and hope is not lost, however its very clear after suffering the 2nd humiliating defeat towards India, we need changes and need to actually prepare for 2027. Pakistani fans are simply not happy.

Pakistan have wasted 4 years since 2019 and thats a cold hard fact given the gap between Pakistan and SENA + India. Beating them won't be something consistent, more like a once in a blue moon occurrence.

All the posters here who are unhappy, Boys this is your chance, All changes you would like implemented, Share your suggestions.

Here are some of mine.

1) Play 2nd string teams in tours with only a few seniors being squad rotated here and their for match pracitse and dont focus on results or ranks, players will come good if given a chance.

^^ This will allow us to groom youngsters in the same NZ Was able to groom the likes of Mitchell and Chapman in their D tier tour against us.

2) Form and Merit > So called miracle experience.

players need to be selected on form, and not the so called this player once played a match winning innings centuries ago so they shpuld be included.

We did this with choosing jamshed for sarfi in 2015, we did this with choosing shehzad over fakhar for 3 games in CT 2017 amd we are doing this with not choosing saim ayub over fakhar.

If these guys are put of form then they need to go back to domestic, as simple as that. BCCI didn't hesitate to drop an experienced fizzled our dhawan for Red hot form Gill.

3) No More Dosti Yaari

Stop throwing players like zaman Khan who just made his debut and isn't groomed yet and putting pressure on the lad by saying he sucks infront of the media while you have the audacity to claim shadab and nawaz who even in the world cup avg an economy of 70 are your best bowlers. Usama did better in warmups then shadab, why is sheddy our VC? Let alone playing? Enough with the whole 2017 yuvraj wicket and tournament form, as stated in point 2, that was ages ago.

4) Adopt a system of modern day aggression rather then focus on avg and rankings.

Because pcb selects players on averages and ranks, any idiot just slowly slowly nudges the ball and stat pads their way cough imam cough.

What's the point of showing aggression if that is not the criteria for selection? If the criteria for selection is playing match losing 50's then no thanks.

I want someone like saim ayub and haris cause if they don't perform then that's okay they can get groomed, but if they do perform, expect match winning games, it's why we backed on fakhar so much.

Imam may perform more consistently but who cares, if he and Babar perform or don't perform, it never makes a difference against A string teams lol.

Having following Pak cricket since early 90's - good luck having any vision for 2027 LOL! If they have some plans fro 2023 WC and the Aus tour afterwards that , then consider it good. It is just their system . Cant have a fix it miracle cure. FWIW , Saqlain's quote is true "Qudrat ka Nizam" . The whole system has to change and be come professional. Takes a lot of time and commitment which is not possible in Pak - anytime there is a change in the gov ,there is a new board with their internal agendas

 

[mominsaigol]

Oh bhai, SENA is leagues ahead of us? England just got humiliated by Afghanistan of all teams and Australia lost equally bad to India as we did.

Focus on this WC. As you said, this WC campaign isn't over and we have only just lost 1 game. We were expected to lose to the hosts anyway. India is on a roll at the moment, I wouldn't take the loss too seriously.

SA, NZ and India are leagues ahead of us yes.

Australia and England naw, cause their has been players playing atm.

We might reach SF, after that Allah khair karei

 

[ArabKnight]

As of writing, our world cup campaign isn't over and hope is not lost, however its very clear after suffering the 2nd humiliating defeat towards India, we need changes and need to actually prepare for 2027. Pakistani fans are simply not happy.

Pakistan have wasted 4 years since 2019 and thats a cold hard fact given the gap between Pakistan and SENA + India. Beating them won't be something consistent, more like a once in a blue moon occurrence.

All the posters here who are unhappy, Boys this is your chance, All changes you would like implemented, Share your suggestions.

Here are some of mine.

1) Play 2nd string teams in tours with only a few seniors being squad rotated here and their for match pracitse and dont focus on results or ranks, players will come good if given a chance.

^^ This will allow us to groom youngsters in the same NZ Was able to groom the likes of Mitchell and Chapman in their D tier tour against us.

2) Form and Merit > So called miracle experience.

players need to be selected on form, and not the so called this player once played a match winning innings centuries ago so they shpuld be included.

We did this with choosing jamshed for sarfi in 2015, we did this with choosing shehzad over fakhar for 3 games in CT 2017 amd we are doing this with not choosing saim ayub over fakhar.

If these guys are put of form then they need to go back to domestic, as simple as that. BCCI didn't hesitate to drop an experienced fizzled our dhawan for Red hot form Gill.

3) No More Dosti Yaari

Stop throwing players like zaman Khan who just made his debut and isn't groomed yet and putting pressure on the lad by saying he sucks infront of the media while you have the audacity to claim shadab and nawaz who even in the world cup avg an economy of 70 are your best bowlers. Usama did better in warmups then shadab, why is sheddy our VC? Let alone playing? Enough with the whole 2017 yuvraj wicket and tournament form, as stated in point 2, that was ages ago.

4) Adopt a system of modern day aggression rather then focus on avg and rankings.

Because pcb selects players on averages and ranks, any idiot just slowly slowly nudges the ball and stat pads their way cough imam cough.

What's the point of showing aggression if that is not the criteria for selection? If the criteria for selection is playing match losing 50's then no thanks.

I want someone like saim ayub and haris cause if they don't perform then that's okay they can get groomed, but if they do perform, expect match winning games, it's why we backed on fakhar so much.

Imam may perform more consistently but who cares, if he and Babar perform or don't perform, it never makes a difference against A string teams lol.

It’s gonna be the last WC for Babar and Rizwan.

Babar is gonna be 33, same age that Iftikhar currently is on paper. Rizwan will be 35.

PCB doesn’t seem like they will drop Babar/Rizwan, as they will continue to hit 100s in bilateral series & retain high ICC rankings for show.

I would drop these two players but it’s almost certain they’re gonna be playing.

That being said:

• Mohammed Nawaz, Iftikhar Ahmed should be retired
• Imam ul Haq, Shadab Khan should be dropped & sent to domestic
• Saud Shakeel should be dropped period
• Abdullah Shafique should be persisted with and supported
• Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman should be given ultimatums
• Shaheen Afridi should be rested from all cricket for 8 months
• Mohammed Harris, Abrar Ahmed should be invested in & groomed
• Imad Wasim, Sarfraz Ahmed, Azam Khan, Sharjeel Khan, Asif Ali should be called back

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistan's major problem so far this WC is the spin. If you look at the 3 spinners in the team, this is their record since Jan 2023:

Shadab - Matches 14, wkts 15, Ave 42, econ 5.72
Nawaz - Matches 13, wkts 11. Ave 48 econ 5.25
Usama Mir - Matches 8, wkts 11, Ave 35, econ 5.43

Now to the part-timers
Agha Salman - Mat 15, wkts 4, Ave 80, econ 5.56
Iftikhar - Mat 12, wkts 5, Ave 41, econ 6.47

The above is the reason Pakistan is struggling in the middle overs. None of the above bowlers inspire any confidence. They can neither contain nor can they pick wickets. I am surprised Pakistan thought they are going in to this WC with a great attack just believing on their Pace attack.

Since Pakistan's match against India in the Asia cup, here are the averages of the pacers

Afridi - 38 at an economy rate of 6.58
Haris - 35 at an economy of 5.9

Only Hasan Ali has done well with an Average of 19.7 but with an economy of 6.0

So now when you have a bowling attack like above, consistency is difficult unless your batters can score 350 every game. If Pakistan want to change something for the next WC they should build a better bench and pick bowlers based on performances. The pacers are fine at least as they were doing well before the Asia cup but what is the excuse for picking such poor spinners?

It's why I made a thread praising Hasan Ali's selection.

He is the only one holding this attack together with his tight lengths and skiddy trajectory.

It's a garbage bowling attack on current form - both pace and spin. SL would have smashed 400 against this attack if not for Hasan's wickets

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

It’s gonna be the last WC for Babar and Rizwan.

Babar is gonna be 33, same age that Iftikhar currently is on paper. Rizwan will be 35.

PCB doesn’t seem like they will drop Babar/Rizwan, as they will continue to hit 100s in bilateral series & retain high ICC rankings for show.

I would drop these two players but it’s almost certain they’re gonna be playing.

That being said:

• Mohammed Nawaz, Iftikhar Ahmed should be retired
• Imam ul Haq, Shadab Khan should be dropped & sent to domestic
• Saud Shakeel should be dropped period
• Abdullah Shafique should be persisted with and supported
• Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman should be given ultimatums
• Shaheen Afridi should be rested from all cricket for 8 months
• Mohammed Harris, Abrar Ahmed should be invested in & groomed
• Imad Wasim, Sarfraz Ahmed, Azam Khan, Sharjeel Khan, Asif Ali should be called back

Your first and last bullet point directly contradict each other. What is the point of bringing back players who are knocking on the door of 40 and retiring Nawaz and Iftikhar?

 

[ArabKnight]

Your first and last bullet point directly contradict each other. What is the point of bringing back players who are knocking on the door of 40 and retiring Nawaz and Iftikhar?

Imad & Sarfraz aren’t gonna be 40.

Their performances speak for themselves that’s why they need to brought back.

 

[160KPH]

Who knows, there will be multiple players who come and go in between now and then.

Abdullah Shafique, Babar, Rizwan, and Saud will still be in the squad as well as Shaheen Shah and Naseem Shah. Hopefully by then we have a new primary spin option - both off spinner and leg spinners as well as a good late order bat to replace Iftikhar who can ideally bowl a bit as well.

 

[mominsaigol]

Guys the thread is about new changes that need to be made overall. Such as how we play bilaterals, our overall coward mentality which needs to change and squad rotation.

Even if we reach semi final it doesn't mean the team is free from criticism.

Imam is a backward player compared to SENA and India opener.

Shadab and nawaz can't even audition for the USA team.

Etc etc all these problems that need to be addressed such as haris not in squad whereas put form fakhar is

 

[BouncerGuy]

We needed a specialist spinner, not these part-timers in the squad. Ibrar would have been a surprise package but he is not there. We needed a banger of an opener in the team which we don't have.

 

[mominsaigol]

Being Pakistan has made me really optimistic as a human being as there is no other way to not fall into depression.

We are world class in white ball atleast: played final and semi-final of last 2 t20 WCs
Were just recently ranked number 1 in ODI

An optimistic person would say we are world class

" Being Pakistan has made me really optimistic as a human being as there is no other way to not fall into depression."

^^ I don't know how to respond to this, their are many pakistani people depressed for various reason, I don't see what being a pakistani supporter has to do with depression lol, Theirs no correlation.

"We are world class in white ball atleast: played final and semi-final of last 2 t20 WCs
Were just recently ranked number 1 in ODI"

^^ 2021 yes, because we were under new coaching management who were their to coach us for just one tournament and everyone was class in that tourney. But pre 2021 when misbah was in charge we were struggling against Zimbabwe lol, it goes to show how kuchen coaching plays a part lol.

After that tournament they left cause they were their for just that tourney and Babar was given full control. Previously misbah had control and then the 2021 coaching staff.

As soon as Babar was given control we were anything but world class.

Firstly in 2022 Babar and rizwan failed every single match besides the NZ semi final, we had to rely on nedtherlands beating SA lol. We reached finals cause we included fresh young blood for bowlers and haris as a wicket keeper. Haris and tye bowlers carried us through.

However haris rather then being groomed properly is now in reserves lol, and the whole team is in a mess due to dosti yaari culture with shadab and nawaz being hilariously horrific spinners, the clueless management making broken finger shaheen play and driving naseem to being unfit. And no new blood has been formulated since besides Abdullah and saud which are forced changes.

As for the no 1 ranking, everyone knows its a joke, a no 1 ranked team can get smashed and lose I agree, 2019 England lost to Sri Lanka and has had embrassing defeats but it does not happen consistently. With pakistan losing to A sides happens consistently.

NZ beat us in warmups with retiring their players at 50, and having darly Mitchell bowl to us. Australia destroyed us and the game was only close because Warner started bowling.

Rn we've only beat nedtherlands which is a minnow, and Sri Lanka which is being given a minnow treatment by everyone in the tourney so far lol. India has humiliated us very badly 2x now.

A no 1 team shpuld not get stomped consistently, 2019 England when they were no 1 ranked bullied every team including India. They only struggled 3x, once against Sri Lanka, then against Pakistan which they lost both and then against mz in the final. Otherwise they bullied everyone comfortably. That's what you call a no 1 team.

Our no 1 team placed last in the asia cup super 4 stage, got bullied in warmups with Warner and Smith players bowling for us to recover lol, and got butchered by India 2x in a row now. That isn't a no 1 team. 2019 England even in those 3 games that they struggled, they still made it close. Its not like they got butchered badly.

Our no 1 team gets butchered big difference.

"An optimistic person would say we are world class"

^^ Bro first of all, You're not optimistic, you literally throw a rage fit half the time and when we met the first time, you swore at me lol. I don't mean to be rude to you, but you need to cool down, secondly optimisism and delusion are 2 seprate things.

Imagine you're eating a vomit flavour ice cream

Optimisism is like saying The ice cream was bad but its okay, we should look for a better place, let's not ruin our day.

A pessimistic person would throw a rage fit and be like ice cream sucks, my whole day is ruined .

Delusion is saying the ice cream tasted spectularly lol.

Optimisism in this scenario would be saying Pakistan is an all right team but their teams worse then us so fingers crossed we make it inshallah, whereas pessimism would be saying Pakistan is trash, horrible team I hate them blah blah.

Delusion however is what you're saying: Calling them world class lol

 

[cricenjoyer]

Imad & Sarfraz aren’t gonna be 40.

Their performances speak for themselves that’s why they need to brought back.

What performances from Sarfraz?

He has done nothing in any of the domestic limited over tournaments, has failed in the PSL with both the bat and as captain. He was also selected in the LPL but then benched for the entire tournament

Their are about 5 keepers minimum who are good enough to take over after Rizwan hangs his boots. Sarfraz is done

 

[shah9425]

It’s gonna be the last WC for Babar and Rizwan.

Babar is gonna be 33, same age that Iftikhar currently is on paper. Rizwan will be 35.

PCB doesn’t seem like they will drop Babar/Rizwan, as they will continue to hit 100s in bilateral series & retain high ICC rankings for show.

I would drop these two players but it’s almost certain they’re gonna be playing.

That being said:

• Mohammed Nawaz, Iftikhar Ahmed should be retired
• Imam ul Haq, Shadab Khan should be dropped & sent to domestic
• Saud Shakeel should be dropped period
• Abdullah Shafique should be persisted with and supported
• Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman should be given ultimatums
• Shaheen Afridi should be rested from all cricket for 8 months
• Mohammed Harris, Abrar Ahmed should be invested in & groomed
• Imad Wasim, Sarfraz Ahmed, Azam Khan, Sharjeel Khan, Asif Ali should be called back

Okay Sarfraz Ahmed

 

[ArabKnight]

What performances from Sarfraz?

He has done nothing in any of the domestic limited over tournaments, has failed in the PSL with both the bat and as captain. He was also selected in the LPL but then benched for the entire tournament

Their are about 5 keepers minimum who are good enough to take over after Rizwan hangs his boots. Sarfraz is done

Wait for Pakistan Cup. Right now, he’s already one of the top batters of QeA Trophy.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Wait for Pakistan Cup. Right now, he’s already one of the top batters of QeA Trophy.

He already is the first-choice wicketkeeper in tests so he has cemented his place once again after this QEA trophy performance. We are looking for T20 and Odi performances here.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

All associate teams are highly competitive now a days. So, they should be included in every major ICC events.

Two time world champions Windies and Zimbabwe team including world class players like Raza, Williams and Muzarabani needs to play every world tournament.

With inclusion of Windies, Zimbabwe,Ireland, Scotland format should contain atleast 14 to 16 teams.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Personally I believe that their are 5 key things that need to happen for Pakistan cricket to progress forward after what looks to be a disastrous world cup

1. Appointing a captain who has experience leading in domestics with successful results. From our current pool of players I'd say the best options are Imad, Sarfraz and Saud with all three being proven leaders with at least one tournament win under their belt. Furthermore each of them have their own unique style of captaincy which puts the team first and prioritises an aggressive outlook to the game

2. Selecting players based on consistent domestic performance. Here it is important to differentiate between on-off PSL performances and actual consistent performance. Yes a one brilliant PSL season does show that a player has potential, however it is more important for the potential to be consistent and this can only be done through grinding in the domestic circuit.

3. Appointing a head coach who places aggression as the key pillar of our cricket

4. A selection committee that has no bias against certain regions or cities. It is also important for this committee to have a good raport with the captain in order to ensure uniformity with selections

 

[Devadwal]

No need to think about too Ahead .now just focus on this world cup only

 

[mominsaigol]

No need to think about too Ahead .now just focus on this world cup only

It's not about winning or losing this world cup.

Sheddy, nawaz, Imam this dosti yari culture needs to end

 

[Devadwal]

It's not about winning or losing this world cup.

Sheddy, nawaz, Imam this dosti yari culture needs to end

Bro after world cup you have enough time to end those culture . right now they are needed fan's support thats it .

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro after world cup you have enough time to end those culture . right now they are needed fan's support thats it .

Aren't you Indian? And a guy who supports that team? Focus on your own team mate, not ours.

True fans know what they want lol.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Ifti will still be pinchings hitter, Hasan Ali will be drafted in last minute.

What's Pakistan learnt since 2011?!. Jack all.

Need to desperately nurture attacking cricketers and spinners.

Saim Ayub cannot drift like those before him

 

[mrtaim3]

It’s gonna be the last WC for Babar and Rizwan.

Babar is gonna be 33, same age that Iftikhar currently is on paper. Rizwan will be 35.

PCB doesn’t seem like they will drop Babar/Rizwan, as they will continue to hit 100s in bilateral series & retain high ICC rankings for show.

I would drop these two players but it’s almost certain they’re gonna be playing.

That being said:

• Mohammed Nawaz, Iftikhar Ahmed should be retired
• Imam ul Haq, Shadab Khan should be dropped & sent to domestic
• Saud Shakeel should be dropped period
• Abdullah Shafique should be persisted with and supported
• Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman should be given ultimatums
• Shaheen Afridi should be rested from all cricket for 8 months
• Mohammed Harris, Abrar Ahmed should be invested in & groomed
• Imad Wasim, Sarfraz Ahmed, Azam Khan, Sharjeel Khan, Asif Ali should be called back

When you said drop Saud Shakeel, I was surprised but i still kept on reading. But what were thinking when you wrote the last point?

Imad Wasim and Sarfaraz Ahmed are not your future. They can only play in leagues with their age and fitness.

Azam Khan? He needs to lose weight. Playing for your country is no joke. No other country has similar players.

Have you seen Sharjeel Khan's domestic record ever since he came back? No thanks please

And Asif Ali got numerous chances and didn't capitalize. He is a hack. Iftikhar is a better batsmen than him by miles.

 

[batandballbattle]

2027? To be honest, they'd be thinking more about the t20 wc next year

For batsmen, saim ayub and mohammed haris should be in our plans, we could also risk azam khan for his powerhitting although the snail's pace singles and zero doubles would be an issue

Shaheen should be wrapped in cotton wool after this WC and not asked to play for another 6 months at minimum, the tournament is in june so could be a maybe for that but we shouldn't rush him back in any case

If ihsanullah is fit in time, we can use the period before the tournament and the tournament itself to bed him in. 4 overs a game is the perfect quota to get used to the international stage, so that he can progress to one day and maybe even tests further down the line.

Investing in zaman khan as a death bowler could also prove to be a good asset in this side.

 

[160KPH]

Bro after world cup you have enough time to end those culture . right now they are needed fan's support thats it .

You’re completely right, but Pakistani fans never understand this.. everyone we lose one match we begin thinking 5 years ahead instead of on the current moment

Sort of reminds me of how we ended up making the T20 World Cup final even though people kept saying that we had no chance to get that far.

 

[mominsaigol]

You’re completely right, but Pakistani fans never understand this.. everyone we lose one match we begin thinking 5 years ahead instead of on the current moment

Sort of reminds me of how we ended up making the T20 World Cup final even though people kept saying that we had no chance to get that far.

You need to think 4 years ahead regardless. Not thinking is the problem.

BCCI and SENA has already planned 4 years ahead I guarantee. Their straight up working on it lol

 

[hitthestump]

The next t20 WC is less than 8 months away.

Once this WC is done we need to focus on that and quickly.

I anticipate we’ll play minimal ODI’s til July 2024, by which time the landscape could look quite different e.g. new captain, new emerging players, new coaches etc

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

You will open another thread with same stuff after loosing in 2027 WC lol, it's never ending until we give quality education to people on equality.
You can change your captain 100x times shuffle your players 1000x times, results will be same. We need to solve problems on grassroot level to get rewarded.
1. PCB needs to be independent, i.e just look from 2011 to 2023 how many chairmans we had?
Zaka ashraf & najim sethi ruled it mostly again and again. So it's actually PML N vs PPP.
Get rid of polictics in sports atleast.
2. Immediately put temporary ban on PSL for 3 years and invest that money to upgrade your equipment and venues.
3. Make separate associations for each venue and let these associations to handle the venues.
4. Set age limit for national squad. We can't have players aging 40+.
5. You need to be passionate for your country and have some pride.

 

[hassan918]

One think that Pakistan team can do going into any important tournament is to have their backups ready for each player. They should be 100% fit and have some games under their belt. We cannot just pick a player who hasn't played an international game in the last few months and expect him to win matches for us.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Before the 2027 ICC WC, you should think about the upcoming T20 WC next year and then the Champions Trophy.

 

[hitthestump]

Nonetheless it is a good thread idea and i will add my suggestions to the list:

1. Remove Babar as captain.
Babar is a hard worker, an honest trier and managed to rid the dressing room of it's toxic elements (which is no mean feat for a Pakistani). But his limitations are all there to see.
He has done better than people expected in white ball cricket. However, Pakistan are simply hampered under his poor tactics and meek leadership. He's got to go.

2. No more keeping the same XI.
We were brutally exposed by the strategy of naming the same players in every single series.
The Pakistani management need to reassure the next captain that it is ok to lose a series and they will not be judged solely on this.
We must build a core of 25-30 players and ensure all of them get suitable exposure across formats.

3. Less pointless leagues and more domestic cricket.
It is beyond stupid to hear when our players are breaking their backs at LPL or BPL.
Contracted players should be allowed to play ONE league outside of PSL.
When the main Pakistan players are not on national duty they should be resting.
Non-contracted players should be encouraged to play a full domestic season or risk not getting a NOC. That way their talent can benefit Pakistan rather than become mercenaries like Amir or Azam Khan.

4. Consistency in bowling and batting coaching.
Having random goras in these positions hasn't helped our cricket at all.
Select and assign two coaches for each aspect and then let them remain for at least 2-3 years.
Stop chopping and changing and instead select wisely.

5. Let Saim and Haris cook for two more years before selecting them.
These are our best two prospects from the batting side. However neither of them is ready to step up as of yet.
We risk losing their talent like we inexplicably did with Haider. There is no rush.
Both of them should play full domestic seasons, get gigs in England over summer and work very hard at the NHPC.
In 2025 inshaAllah we will get the best out of them.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Before finding the solution, one needs to where the problem the lies. This tournament is not over yet so we don't know the problem yet.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Investment on 2 pacers, development of 1 specialist spinner and Preparing a rigid Middle order batter.

 

[daytrader]

Given up already? Such fickle fans. We have a WC going on right now and are in position to qualify for the knockouts. Don't write off this team so quick.

What a defeated mindset

 

[160KPH]

People in general are way over-reactive. Still so many games to play. Before this game today, South Africa was considered a top 3 tournament in the team and guaranteed a semi final spot. And now they are crushed by Netherlands - a team we easily defeated. So far Pakistan has played 3 games, 2 we easily won including an all time record chase and we lost one singular game to the tournament favorites who have home condition advantage.

And regardless of whatever is posted, unless Pakistan loses to Afghanistan/Bangladesh and crashes out of the tournament, Babar will remain captain at least until the next Champions Trophy.

We have a good base of a team, we really just need a primary spin option. I’d rather have a primary off spin option as it seems like in modern cricket, leggies take wickets but also are easy to get runs off of - see Zampa. Additionally, hopefully we discover an alternative to Iftikhar as Iftikhar’s age will probably prevent him from being in too many more tournaments. Even better if it’s a fast bowling all rounder.

 

[ArabKnight]

When you said drop Saud Shakeel, I was surprised but i still kept on reading. But what were thinking when you wrote the last point?

Imad Wasim and Sarfaraz Ahmed are not your future. They can only play in leagues with their age and fitness.

Azam Khan? He needs to lose weight. Playing for your country is no joke. No other country has similar players.

Have you seen Sharjeel Khan's domestic record ever since he came back? No thanks please

And Asif Ali got numerous chances and didn't capitalize. He is a hack. Iftikhar is a better batsmen than him by miles.

Saud needs to be dropped. I bet you don’t even know his domestic stats.

Imad and Sarfraz are better than most XI players today.

Azam Khan is far more talented than our current middle order.

Sharjeel is doing good and smashing good runs in domestic.

Asif Ali succeeded but got dropped for no reason.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

It would be better to identify at least two or three promising fast bowlers who can bat as well, considering that the next World Cup is scheduled to be held in South Africa.

 

[ads101]

Tournament isn't over and we are still in a good position to qualify.

I'd probably try to focus on maximising talent. The strategy of finding the best talent in the world doesn't work anymore. Either there isn't enough talent in Pakistan or on it's own it isn't enough. We are always on the endless search for the next great talent, but we need to develop the actual talent better.

Too many batsmen are easy to pin down. They don't have great awareness, able to rotate strike/pick up singles easily. Gavaskar praised Rizwan, for his gameplay and awareness, but he is low on talent, he doesn't have great timing, technique or power game. Imagine if other more talented players incorporated parts of Rizwan's game to add to their own. It's why Rizwan can't really compete with guys like Butler who has a much better power game and 360 degree game. They aren't say just like a Sharjeel type who has power but is stand and deliver and doesn't run. It is the problem the actual talented guys are fat, poor footwork, bad running etc. Azam Khan is another annoying case, he's talented, you can just see that in the recent PSL. He hits it cleaner than say Haris. And yet realistically he's just not going to perform in international cricket at that weight/fitness. Another waste of talent.

Fielding has improved, otherwise I would have said that too. Running between the wickets needs to improve a bit too.

I think the T20 and ODI teams should also be more similar. We don't play enough ODI games as it is, as people lose practice. It also just creates a more settled team. I kind of lean towards the T20 players being preferred for ODIs than the other way around. Especially given PSL is the best barometer to predict international success in LOI cricket due to it's higher standard. Though I'd happily include guys like Saud Shakeel in the T20 team too.

 

[sweep_shot]

2027 World Cup is in South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Namibia. So, pace should be the main factor.

Pakistan should ensure these for 2027 WC:

- Pacers are not overworked. Give them enough rest to keep them fresh. Manage them better.

- Groom one pace-bowling all-rounder (someone like Abdul Razzaq).

 

[Syed1]

It will be the typical 'Pakistan Way'. We will faff around playing pretty much the same squad post 2023 WC. Then around 5-6 months before the 2027 WC start experimenting either due to desperation or injury and will result in sending some pretty undercooked players to the World Cup. Example Saud Shakeel, Abdullah Shafique in this WC.

 

[ArabKnight]

It will be the typical 'Pakistan Way'. We will faff around playing pretty much the same squad post 2023 WC. Then around 5-6 months before the 2027 WC start experimenting either due to desperation or injury and will result in sending some pretty undercooked players to the World Cup. Example Saud Shakeel, Abdullah Shafique in this WC.

Sounds like the Misbah/Babar way.

2019 WC was never like this. Sarfraz was an intelligent captain.

 

[Suleiman]

Privatize PCB. Enough musical chairs of conmen sorry I mean chairmen.

Each one comes with a certain set of changes and then a new PM comes with a new circus clown chairman that undoes the previous guy’s efforts.

Enough.

Changing captain, keeper, kit, etc are just cosmetic changes. Tackle the root problem. Which is politics ruining cricket.

Will it get immediate results? Probably not. But seeking shortcuts instead of tackling long term change is what has caused this steady decline across 2 decades.

 

[mominsaigol]

Gonna bump this thread because hopefully now after the Australia game people will see why things need to change.

I'll just add a few more points to my original points.

1) Implement a proper no 7

our tail is beyond hilarious at this point we need a finisher.

2) Find a proper fast bowling allrounder like pandya and play him at 6.

we desperately need someone like pandya on our side, no joke, we need to groom.

3) Kick all stat padders out

I don't care about 50+ averages. Fakhar when in form was the only batter who played according to modern standards. We need batters like him Match winners > Useless match losing consistency drama.

4) End the Pseudo allrounder drama.

we need proper spinners, proper bowlers, proper allrounders ,proper middle order batsmen and proper openers.

 

[emranabbas]

Sack the whole team and managment

 

[muqarrab]

First of all appoint someone for 4 years....even if its babar

 

[Marooned]

Be smart and know when to boycott a tournament. That would be it from my side.

 

[7sins]

seriously i haev no hope. No hope in this country as overall we are going nowhere so stop thinking about it

 

[YousafTheBeast]

My World Cup XI for 2027

Saim Ayub
Abdullah Shafique
Saud Shakeel (c)
Tayyab Tahir
Mohammad Haris (wk)
Azam Khan
Imad Wasim
Amir Jamal
Shaheen Afridi
Naseem Shah
Abrar Ahmed

 

[cricenjoyer]

After todays loss a whole host of changes need to be made with the most important being the removal of Babar as captain

The next is implementing a policy of at least 3 seasons of first class experience before national selection

Also an embargo on fake all rounders

 

[The_KING]

Removal of Babar Azam as the captain.

Removal of Shadab, Mir, Nawaz, Ifthikar, Hasan Ali, Rauf for good.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Pathetic performance and just not good enough.

Should be the last ODI for : Mir, Rauf, Imam

 

[ahmadharis1]

Usama Mir needs to keep playing. Earned his spot in domestics and leg spinners aren't made in a day. If Shadab can have 6 years of nonstop cricket, Usama Mir can have his time

Imam ul-Haq can go and Haris Rauf, agreed 100%. Haris Rauf is an ok T20 option (at best), and a horrendous ODI selection. Truly idiot selection

 

[aukhan]

This should be Babar's last assignment as captain.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Usama Mir needs to keep playing. Earned his spot in domestics and leg spinners aren't made in a day. If Shadab can have 6 years of nonstop cricket, Usama Mir can have his time

Imam ul-Haq can go and Haris Rauf, agreed 100%. Haris Rauf is an ok T20 option (at best), and a horrendous ODI selection. Truly idiot selection

Every game he plays is a loss mark my words

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Also for Rizwan and Shadab

Also last game for babar as captain and number 3 batsmen

 

[aukhan]

Every game he plays is a loss mark my words

He is nothing special. The team selection has been atrocious. Wasim Junior and Salman Agha are not the players who will win you the World Cup. Babar was given too much power to dictate the selection, and now the whole country is facing embarrassment.

 

[ahmadharis1]

Every game he plays is a loss mark my words

"He" who? Usama Mir? Agreed if you mean Haris Rauf

But agreed on the end that this whole team needs reset. After the world cup ends, Only Babar, Shaheen and Usama (maaaayybbe Rizwan) get their spot on the ODI team, everyone else needs to go back to domestics and earn their spot

 

[mominsaigol]

Man a storm really did come. . But it was expected. This is what happens when you have the delusions of faulty rankings.

 

[Varun]

What about that Ifthikar age fudger?

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Usama Mir needs to keep playing. Earned his spot in domestics and leg spinners aren't made in a day. If Shadab can have 6 years of nonstop cricket, Usama Mir can have his time

Imam ul-Haq can go and Haris Rauf, agreed 100%. Haris Rauf is an ok T20 option (at best), and a horrendous ODI selection. Truly idiot selection

Leg spinners may not be made in a day however medicore cricketers can be identified in seconds and in the case of Usama it doesn't take Einstein to realise that he ain't cut for international cricket

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not for Usama. He has been poor so far but has potential. He needs a longer run.

 

[The_KING]

Mir needs to be dropped for not only being an awful cricketer but also for his pathetic body language. He looks like a scared little kid out there.

 

[Rana]

Should be the last game Rizwan bats at number 4 also

 

[Chip32]

Haris Rauf doesn’t know how to bowl, and I’ve said this from the time he made his debut. All he does is bowl fast and hope for the best, there is not a single thought behind anything he bowls.

 

[ahmadharis1]

Leg spinners may not be made in a day however medicore cricketers can be identified in seconds and in the case of Usama it doesn't take Einstein to realise that he ain't cut for international cricket

Respectfully disagree. I think the guy has international potential and one or two matches doesn't change that. He's gotten some very talented batsmen out

 

[ssuhaide]

First name that should be removed from the 50 over squad is Babar Azam, then Rizwan. Pathetic midget mindset which permeats across the team.

Imam and Rauf should also perish, Imam also bats with fear. Anyone who wants to protect their average and not play for the team should be jettisoned from the line up.

But this apart - the lack of talent is all departments is startling, Shaheen won't be around in 4 years - given the injuries he is currently going through who are the next up and coming superstars looks like a big fat 0.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Withdraw from international cricket.

 

[mominsaigol]

Gonna bump this thread again ig.

 

[mominsaigol]

Respectfully disagree. I think the guy has international potential and one or two matches doesn't change that. He's gotten some very talented batsmen out

It isn't one or 2 matches, he's not cut out for international.

He has no variation, none. Its traditional legspin at the same line and length. He's predictable and easy to figure out.

 

[ahmadharis1]

It isn't one or 2 matches, he's not cut out for international.

He has no variation, none. Its traditional legspin at the same line and length. He's predictable and easy to figure out.

He gets bounce, along with actual turn off the pitch. I maintain that if Shadab was given 6 years for us to reach the conclusion that he's not international material, Usama Mir deserves a run. He's practically being set up for failure with the way he's been selected. Improvement will come with consistent selection

 

[mominsaigol]

He gets bounce, along with actual turn off the pitch. I maintain that if Shadab was given 6 years for us to reach the conclusion that he's not international material, Usama Mir deserves a run. He's practically being set up for failure with the way he's been selected. Improvement will come with consistent selection

It's still the same delivery over and over. He's entirely pitch dependent, that's the problem.

Abrar can fail spectacularly and I'd still back him cause abrar has variation, tricks and varies line and length.

Usama does not

 

[FearlessRoar]

Remove Babar from captaincy, sent Shaheen for rehabilitation. Exclude Imam, Fakhar, Shadab, and Nawaz from ODI side forever

 

[ahmadharis1]

It's still the same delivery over and over. He's entirely pitch dependent, that's the problem.

Abrar can fail spectacularly and I'd still back him cause abrar has variation, tricks and varies line and length.

Usama does not

Have you seen him bowl? He's got the stock leg break and a decent googly. Every spinner is pitch dependent, in fact I'd argue that Usama Mir is even less dependent on the pitch bc his height will give him decent bounce everywhere.

I'll consider Abrar Ahmed for the ODI team when he's leading the list A domestic charts. I'm not saying Usama Mir is a perfect bowler right now but he's deserved an extended run on the team

 

[mominsaigol]

Have you seen him bowl? He's got the stock leg break and a decent googly. Every spinner is pitch dependent, in fact I'd argue that Usama Mir is even less dependent on the pitch bc his height will give him decent bounce everywhere.

I'll consider Abrar Ahmed for the ODI team when he's leading the list A domestic charts. I'm not saying Usama Mir is a perfect bowler right now but he's deserved an extended run on the team

I've seen him bowl plenty.

That stock leg break and googly that he advertises is still the same delivery .

He's of the same mould as sheddy.

I have nothing against usama BTW. Just like I have nothing against the team in general. Just stating honest truths.

We saw how a newbie afghan spinner was bowling today. One no ball, a few wrong lengths but he clearly proved he has potential and is a match winner and deserves a long run.

Usama hasn't proved anything in any game. He's not talented enough. Same shan masood mould.

 

[ahmadharis1]

I've seen him bowl plenty.

That stock leg break and googly that he advertises is still the same delivery .

He's of the same mould as sheddy.

I have nothing against usama BTW. Just like I have nothing against the team in general. Just stating honest truths.

We saw how a newbie afghan spinner was bowling today. One no ball, a few wrong lengths but he clearly proved he has potential and is a match winner and deserves a long run.

Usama hasn't proved anything in any game. He's not talented enough. Same shan masood mould.

Agree to disagree. I'm not ready to dismiss him simply based on the eye test.