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What could have caused Air India Flight AI171 to crash?

What in your view was the reason for the Air India crash?


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What could have caused Air India plane to crash in 30 seconds?

What exactly happened to Flight AI171 between Ahmedabad and London Gatwick on Thursday afternoon will only be revealed by a detailed investigation, but the moments after take-off can be the most challenging in aviation.

Indian investigators will be joined by experts from the US and UK in the coming days, as authorities attempt to establish what caused the Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner to crash shortly after take-off just 1.5km (0.9 miles) from the runway at Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport.

It marks the first time a 787-8 Dreamliner has suffered a fatal crash since it entered commercial service in 2011. Thursday's disaster killed 241 people onboard and more on the ground.

The BBC has spoken to aviation experts as well as pilots based in India - some of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity - who regularly fly 787-8s out of India's international airports to find out what factors might have caused the plane to slam into residential buildings in the heart of Ahmedabad just moments into its flight.

Struggled to gain altitude

The 787-8 Dreamliner was flown by Captain Sumeet Sabharwal and his co-pilot Clive Kundar. The two were highly experienced, with more than 9,000 combined flying hours. Mr Sabharwal having earned over 22-years expertise as a commercial airline pilot.

The plane was carrying 242 people as it taxied along the runway at Ahmedabad International Airport on Thursday afternoon. The jet took off at 13:39 local time (08:09 GMT), operator Air India said.

India's Home Affairs Minister Amit Shah said the plane was carrying 100 tonnes of fuel - practically a full load - as it climbed out of Ahmedabad.

Almost immediately after take-off the cockpit gave a mayday call, India's aviation regulator said. No response was given by the aircraft after that. It's unclear what prompted the mayday call, but the flight's sole survivor has told Indian media that he heard a loud bang as the plane struggled to gain altitude.

Footage authenticated by BBC Verify then showed the plane flying low over what appears to be a residential neighbourhood. The final transmitted data showed the plane reached a height of 625ft (190m). It proceeds to descend and becomes obscured by trees and buildings, before a large explosion appears on the horizon.

"There would have been no time for him to react if he lost both engines," one pilot said. CCTV footage viewed by BBC Verify showed that the plane was airborne for 30 seconds.

The plane crashed in a residential area, with images showing housing blocks heavily damaged in a densely built area which included hospitals and official buildings.

Speculation of 'very rare' double engine failure

It is almost impossible to definitively establish what caused the disaster based on videos of the plane's brief flight.

In the coming days a complex investigation involving the plane's black box - which records flight data - and an examination of debris will commence. But videos that have emerged show the plane struggling to lift off the ground, seemingly amid a lack of thrust or power.

One cause that has been speculated on by some experts is the possibility of an extremely rare double engine failure. Questions have been raised as to whether the plane had its Ram Air Turbine (RAT) deployed, an emergency back-up turbine which kicks in when main engines fail to generate power for essential systems.

Double engine failures are almost unheard of, with the most notable example being the 2009 "Miracle on the Hudson", when a US Airways Airbus A320 lost both engines to a bird strike moments after take-off from New York's LaGuardia Airport, but glided to safety.

One senior pilot told the BBC that dual engine failure could also result from fuel contamination or clogging. Aircraft engines rely on a precise fuel metering system - if that system gets blocked, it can lead to fuel starvation and engine shutdown.

Marco Chan, an ex-pilot, told BBC Verify that there isn't any evidence to suggest a double engine failure based on the available footage.

Mohan Ranganathan, an aviation expert, told the BBC that a double engine failure would be "a very, very rare incident".

Engine manufacturer GE Aerospace said it was sending a team to India to help with the investigation, while Boeing said it was offering its full support to the airline.

Bird strikes

Another possibility raised by some experts in India is a bird strike.

They occur when a plane collides with a bird and can be extremely dangerous for aircraft. In serious cases, engines can lose power if they suck in a bird, as happened in South Korea's Jeju Air disaster which killed 179 people last year.

Experts and pilots familiar with Ahmedabad airport have told the BBC that it is "notorious for birds".

"They are always around," says Mr Ranganathan, echoing what at least three Indian pilots who have flown in and out of the airport told the BBC .

Gujarat state, where Ahmedabad is located, reported 462 bird strike incidents over five years, with most occurring at Ahmedabad airport, according to Civil Aviation Ministry data tabled in Parliament in December 2023.

A Times of India report in September 2023 cited Airport Authority data noting 38 bird strikes in 2022–23 in Ahmedabad, a 35% rise over previous 12 months.

In the 2009 case, a flock of seagulls was ingested at 2,700ft – more than four times higher than the Air India flight. In this case the Indian pilots had neither the altitude nor the time to manoeuvre.

However, a senior pilot said that a bird hit is rarely catastrophic "unless it affects both engines".

Could the plane's flaps have contributed?

Three experts who spoke to BBC Verify suggested that the disaster may have occurred as the aircraft's flaps were not extended during take-off - though other pilots and analysts have challenged this.

Flaps play a vital role during take-off, helping an aircraft generate maximum lift at lower speeds.

If they're not properly extended, a fully loaded jet - carrying passengers, heavy fuel for a long-haul flight, and battling hot conditions - will struggle to lift off.

In Ahmedabad, where temperatures neared 40°C (104F) on Thursday, the thinner air would have demanded higher flap settings and greater engine thrust, one pilot told the BBC. In such conditions, even a small configuration error can have catastrophic consequences.

CCTV footage which emerged late on Thursday afternoon showed the plane taking off from Ahmedabad, struggling to achieve altitude, and then slowly descending before crashing.

But a take-off roll with retracted flaps would trigger warnings from the 787's take-off Configuration Warning System, alerting the flight crew to an unsafe configuration, according to one pilot the BBC spoke to.

Ex-pilot Mr Chan told BBC Verify that the footage that has emerged so far is too distorted to establish for sure whether the flaps were extended, but said that such an error would be "highly unusual".

"The flaps are set by pilots themselves, before take off, and there are several checklists and procedures to verify the setting," Mr Chan said. "That would point to potential human error if flaps aren't set correctly."

 
But this is BBC and factual.

Let's hear directly from Arnab and his horses:

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There was another piece where the one of the press mentioned something along the lines of an investigation team from UK is arriving, and before she could finish, the anchor goes...oh, the UK has 'offered' itself to help India, oh. The tone suggested implying that countries around the world are running to help India, but the fool couldn't understand how awkward it was sounding looking at the extent of what greedy negligence had just taken place which is now a 'duty' on international authorities to investigate.
 
Lone survived person from this deadly clash mentioned he heard loud sound before crashing of air India plane. It must be birds hitting plane engines…
 
THIS THREAD IS ONLY TO DISCUSS THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF THIS DISASTER.

I URGE ALL POSTERS TO STAY ON TOPIC, INSTEAD OF BRINGING PROPAGANDA STUFF HERE.
 
This is pure speculation because this will take months, if not years to evaluate all the evidence. It’s a highly regulated industry and we wont find answers right away.

Watching the footage, there was no smoke or fire which could have pointed to problem beyond the gas turbine’s control system. The survivor mentioned the plane felt ‘stuck’ in the air and you could argue that was due to fuel starvation; however, the probably is extremely low that this would occur at the same time on both engines - like what are the chances you have an issue in both engines fuel systems at the same time? In-fact these planes are capable of flying back to base on just one engine so a single in-flight shutdown is an accepted risk.

An even lower probability is a dual engine bird strike, but that has happened before with the Hudson incident.

So for me I think it’s either of those two extremely low probability events but I haven’t looked at in much detail yet, and this is pure speculation again without being able to look at the flight data.
 
Most likely pilot error flaps extracted landing gear still out. Indians & there media history will never ever admit pilots were at fault.
 
I honestly think it was an inside job. The idea was probably to blame Pakistan, but on a call with Modi, Netanyahu probably said he’s starting a war with Iran and they could just stage another attack in future and pin it on Pakistan.
 
Pilot error.

Co pilot with 1000 odd hrs of flying experience was meant to pull the gear up, instead he pulled the flaps up.
 
This is pure speculation because this will take months, if not years to evaluate all the evidence. It’s a highly regulated industry and we wont find answers right away.

Watching the footage, there was no smoke or fire which could have pointed to problem beyond the gas turbine’s control system. The survivor mentioned the plane felt ‘stuck’ in the air and you could argue that was due to fuel starvation; however, the probably is extremely low that this would occur at the same time on both engines - like what are the chances you have an issue in both engines fuel systems at the same time? In-fact these planes are capable of flying back to base on just one engine so a single in-flight shutdown is an accepted risk.

An even lower probability is a dual engine bird strike, but that has happened before with the Hudson incident.

So for me I think it’s either of those two extremely low probability events but I haven’t looked at in much detail yet, and this is pure speculation again without being able to look at the flight data.
A bird strike would result in smoke coming out the engines, since there was no smoke I think a bird strike can be ruled out.

Contaminated fuel is a more probable theory!
 
Dual engine failure or something, quite compelling visual evidence too. Didn't have time to watch this full, so please finish whoever is interested.

 
A bird strike would result in smoke coming out the engines, since there was no smoke I think a bird strike can be ruled out.

Contaminated fuel is a more probable theory!

Possibly, it depends on the nature of the strike and to which extent the fluid systems are intercepted. The smoke is more likely in a narrow-body, if you were thinking the 737 then they have issues with oil leaks. The 787 is arguably their most reliable plane right now and while am not as familiar with the GE motors they would have still had to meet very strict bird ingestion requirements and be able to withstand the impact, so I was thinking along those lines to make sense of no smoke, but could always be wrong.

Contaminated fuel is a very good theory, I didn’t think of that! Perhaps someone should find out if Air India use highly acidic fuel, there are some operators who do, but it’s still within spec, maybe Air India put seriously dodgy fuel in which they normally wouldn’t? Acidic fuel can lead to chemical attack of key fuel system parts and accelerate pump cavitation, that’s where the fuel starvation could have occurred and explained the rare dual engine shutdown.
 
Investigators find cockpit voice recorder from crashed Air India flight

Investigators have recovered the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) from the crashed Air India flight, a key step in uncovering what caused last week's deadly accident.

The London-bound Air India aircraft, a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, crashed soon after taking off on Thursday from the western Indian city of Ahmedabad. At least 270 people have been killed, most of them passengers.

The CVR captures audio from the cockpit, including pilot conversations, alarms and ambient sounds.

The flight data recorder (FDR), which logs crucial flight parameters like altitude, speed and engine performance, had been recovered from the debris on Friday.


 
Illetarte clown was trying to mock the educated pilot and a good man unlike him.As per reports , pilot diverted flight towards a green space and avoided hitting apartments which may have resulted in another 100's of deaths.

 
Air India says one engine on crashed plane was new

One of the engines of the Air India plane that crashed last week was new, while the other was not due for servicing until December, the airline's chairman has said.

In an interview with an Indian news channel, N Chandrasekaran said that both engines of the aircraft had "clean" histories.

"The right engine was a new engine put in March 2025. The left engine was last serviced in 2023 and due for its next maintenance check in December 2025," he told Times Now channel.

At least 270 people, most of them passengers, were killed last Thursday when AI171, a London-bound Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, crashed less than a minute after taking off from Ahmedabad airport in western India.

Investigators are now sifting through debris and decoding recorded flight data and cockpit audio - from the aircraft's black boxes which have been found - to deconstruct the flight's final moments and determine the cause of the incident.

"There are a lot of speculations and a lot of theories. But the fact that I know so far is this particular aircraft, this specific tail, AI171, has a clean history," Mr Chandrasekaran said, cautioning people against jumping to conclusions.

"I am told by all the experts that the black box and recorders will definitely tell the story. So, we just have to wait for that," he added.

Kishore Chinta, a former investigator with India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau, told the BBC that the condition of an aircraft engine is not necessarily linked to its age - particularly in the case of the Genx-1B engines used on the Boeing 787-8.

"The age of the engine has no bearing on the health of the engine, especially for the Genx-1B engines," Mr Chinta said. In other words just because an engine is new, does not necessarily mean it is healthy, or vice versa.

Unlike older models, the Genx-1B engines, which are made by GE Aerospace, don't follow a fixed overhaul or maintenance schedule. Instead, they are equipped with a system called the Full Authority Digital Engine Control or FADEC that continuously monitors engine health and performance. The decision to service or replace the engine is based on this data and physical inspections.

However, Mr Chinta pointed out that certain components of the engine, known as Life Limited Parts (LLPs), still have a fixed lifespan typically between 15,000 and 20,000 cycles.

"Every start and switch-off of the engine counts as one cycle," he explained.

While the investigation continues, Air India has also announced a 15% cut in its international operations on wide-body aircraft until mid-July as it grapples with the fallout from the crash.

In a statement issued on Wednesday, the airline said the decision was driven by "compounding circumstances" - including enhanced safety checks, increased caution by crew and ground staff and tensions in the Middle East.

Separately, the airline said that inspections have been completed on 26 of its 33 Boeing 787-8 and 787-9 aircraft, all of which have been "cleared for service".

India's aviation regulator had ordered additional safety checks on Air India's Boeing 787 fleet after the deadly crash as a "preventive measure".

The remaining aircraft are expected to be examined in the coming days, Air India said, adding that the airline's Boeing 777 fleet would also "undertake enhanced safety checks".

"The curtailments are a painful measure to take, but are necessary following a devastating event which we are still working through and an unusual combination of external events," it said.

Meanwhile some experts say the crash will likely have an impact on Air India as it tries to transform from a troubled state-owned carrier to a privately-owned company.

Tata Sons, a conglomerate which also owns big brands like Tetley Tea and Jaguar Land Rover, brought the airline - formerly India's national carrier - from the Indian government in 2022.

BBC
 
Air India says one engine on crashed plane was new

One of the engines of the Air India plane that crashed last week was new, while the other was not due for servicing until December, the airline's chairman has said.

In an interview with an Indian news channel, N Chandrasekaran said that both engines of the aircraft had "clean" histories.

"The right engine was a new engine put in March 2025. The left engine was last serviced in 2023 and due for its next maintenance check in December 2025," he told Times Now channel.

At least 270 people, most of them passengers, were killed last Thursday when AI171, a London-bound Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, crashed less than a minute after taking off from Ahmedabad airport in western India.

Investigators are now sifting through debris and decoding recorded flight data and cockpit audio - from the aircraft's black boxes which have been found - to deconstruct the flight's final moments and determine the cause of the incident.

"There are a lot of speculations and a lot of theories. But the fact that I know so far is this particular aircraft, this specific tail, AI171, has a clean history," Mr Chandrasekaran said, cautioning people against jumping to conclusions.

"I am told by all the experts that the black box and recorders will definitely tell the story. So, we just have to wait for that," he added.

Kishore Chinta, a former investigator with India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau, told the BBC that the condition of an aircraft engine is not necessarily linked to its age - particularly in the case of the Genx-1B engines used on the Boeing 787-8.

"The age of the engine has no bearing on the health of the engine, especially for the Genx-1B engines," Mr Chinta said. In other words just because an engine is new, does not necessarily mean it is healthy, or vice versa.

Unlike older models, the Genx-1B engines, which are made by GE Aerospace, don't follow a fixed overhaul or maintenance schedule. Instead, they are equipped with a system called the Full Authority Digital Engine Control or FADEC that continuously monitors engine health and performance. The decision to service or replace the engine is based on this data and physical inspections.

However, Mr Chinta pointed out that certain components of the engine, known as Life Limited Parts (LLPs), still have a fixed lifespan typically between 15,000 and 20,000 cycles.

"Every start and switch-off of the engine counts as one cycle," he explained.

While the investigation continues, Air India has also announced a 15% cut in its international operations on wide-body aircraft until mid-July as it grapples with the fallout from the crash.

In a statement issued on Wednesday, the airline said the decision was driven by "compounding circumstances" - including enhanced safety checks, increased caution by crew and ground staff and tensions in the Middle East.

Separately, the airline said that inspections have been completed on 26 of its 33 Boeing 787-8 and 787-9 aircraft, all of which have been "cleared for service".

India's aviation regulator had ordered additional safety checks on Air India's Boeing 787 fleet after the deadly crash as a "preventive measure".

The remaining aircraft are expected to be examined in the coming days, Air India said, adding that the airline's Boeing 777 fleet would also "undertake enhanced safety checks".

"The curtailments are a painful measure to take, but are necessary following a devastating event which we are still working through and an unusual combination of external events," it said.

Meanwhile some experts say the crash will likely have an impact on Air India as it tries to transform from a troubled state-owned carrier to a privately-owned company.

Tata Sons, a conglomerate which also owns big brands like Tetley Tea and Jaguar Land Rover, brought the airline - formerly India's national carrier - from the Indian government in 2022.

BBC
All folks should abandon Air Ind. One of the worst Airlines in the world even before this crash. Avoid flying it and save yourself the headache.
 
New lab, old problem: India’s new Rs 9 crore black box lab fails first big test, as govt plans to send Air India crashed plane black box to US

Just two months after inaugurating a state-of-the-art laboratory for analysing aircraft black boxes, the Indian government has decided to send the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder from the recent Air India crash to the United States for decoding. The move highlights limitations in India’s newly launched facility, which was expected to handle such critical investigations.

The black box, retrieved from the crashed Air India Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, has been sent to the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau’s (AAIB) Digital Flight Data Recorder and Cockpit Voice Recorder (DFDR & CVR) Laboratory in New Delhi.

In April, Union Civil Aviation Minister Ram Mohan Naidu inaugurated the DFDR & CVR Laboratory at the AAIB headquarters in New Delhi. Built with an investment of Rs 9 crore and technical support from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), the facility was designed to recover flight data and conduct detailed crash investigations.

It aimed to meet international standards and enable India to independently analyse black boxes without sending them abroad. The lab is expected to reduce dependency on foreign agencies and improve the speed of investigations.


 
Air India says one engine on crashed plane was new

One of the engines of the Air India plane that crashed last week was new, while the other was not due for servicing until December, the airline's chairman has said.

In an interview with an Indian news channel, N Chandrasekaran said that both engines of the aircraft had "clean" histories.

"The right engine was a new engine put in March 2025. The left engine was last serviced in 2023 and due for its next maintenance check in December 2025," he told Times Now channel.

At least 270 people, most of them passengers, were killed last Thursday when AI171, a London-bound Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, crashed less than a minute after taking off from Ahmedabad airport in western India.

Investigators are now sifting through debris and decoding recorded flight data and cockpit audio - from the aircraft's black boxes which have been found - to reconstruct the flight's final moments and determine the cause of the incident.

"There are a lot of speculations and a lot of theories. But the fact that I know so far is this particular aircraft, this specific tail, AI171, has a clean history," Mr Chandrasekaran said, cautioning people against jumping to conclusions.

"I am told by all the experts that the black box and recorders will definitely tell the story. So, we just have to wait for that," he added.

Kishore Chinta, a former investigator with India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau, told the BBC that the condition of an aircraft engine is not necessarily linked to its age - particularly in the case of the Genx-1B engines used on the Boeing 787-8.

"The age of the engine has no bearing on the health of the engine, especially for the Genx-1B engines," Mr Chinta said. In other words just because an engine is new, does not necessarily mean it is healthy, or vice versa.

Unlike older models, the Genx-1B engines, which are made by GE Aerospace, don't follow a fixed overhaul or maintenance schedule. Instead, they are equipped with a system called the Full Authority Digital Engine Control or FADEC that continuously monitors engine health and performance. The decision to service or replace the engine is based on this data and physical inspections.

However, Mr Chinta pointed out that certain components of the engine, known as Life Limited Parts (LLPs), still have a fixed lifespan typically between 15,000 and 20,000 cycles.


 
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