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French official says Pakistan downed Rafale jet as officials examine possible further losses - CNN

Indian military are run by clowns that's why 🤣🤣.

I saw this YouTube video as to who would win in a war between India and China assuming nukes aren't used and infographics show literally stated that China isn't even winning due to a numbers game, their winning cause Indian military is so bloody incompetent.

I'm 100% convinced that their flight school director had them play gta 5 and was like yup based of this simulation you can now fly 🤣
 
Indian media and their denial mode is at the highest level... They will never accept it.
 
This entire episode has once again exposed what many have always known but few say out loud: to the West, India is just a massive consumer base,good for selling weapons and hiring cheap IT labor. That’s it.

The idea that India was being propped up to stand against China? Completely delusional. Not because India lacks talent or resources, but because no country can lead the future while still fighting centuries old religious ghosts. As long as Hindutva shapes Indian politics, India will keep fighting Aurangzeb, who, last we checked, has been dead for over 300 years. And you don’t win wars against corpses.

The Quad? All but dead. Even the US isn’t playing the old game anymore. JD Vance, who literally has an Indian wife, said it bluntly, let them deal with it. And who did India turn to when tensions rose? Not Washington, not Canberra, but Riyadh. Let that sink in.

And now, India’s scrambling to silence social media, not to protect national security, but to shield its population from inconvenient truths. Pakistani voices aren’t celebrating death, they’re calling out those in India who are. That difference matters.

India has money, it has weapons, it has numbers. But it’s already lost the narrative. And by suspending the Indus Waters Treaty, it’s made sure this conflict stays alive.

This isn’t global leadership. It’s a nation hollowing itself out from the inside.
 
Yes! Chavda ji has debunked and now everyone is a liar and out to get Modi because Modi is a divine incarnation.

Hindutva are a special breed.

Relax Mr Cliche, don't be so sensitive...

Everyone is a liar except for Pakistanis, you feel better now ? :apology
 
Relax Mr Cliche, don't be so sensitive...

Everyone is a liar except for Pakistanis, you feel better now ? :apology

Why would anyone need your approval to feel validated? What gives you the impression your endorsement holds weight?

The West’s engagement with India isn’t a love affair, it’s a transaction. Mistake that for admiration.

If your entire argument rests on “India has more money,” then you’ve reduced a civilization to a bank statement, and even that is a stretch, not a statement of power.
 
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The delusions get worse.
 
Big Raj

Titanic Ram

Marvellous Mahendra

I still can't believe they called their mission of killing innocent civilians as mission sindoor, like how cheesy and bollywoodish. No wonder they are such an emotional bunch because their deeply dramatic fragile egos and emotions get the better of them.

We should call this mission of humiliating India as #MissionAurangzeb. I say name every mission of destruction of their jets/military and egos to a great prominent Muslim leader of Maha Bharat from the past just to tick them off :)
 
I am hearing that some Pakistani woman brought down the Rafale jet? Not sure how truth that is, but pretty insane feat.
 
Godzilla squadron got utterly cooked. PAF showed proof to international media.
This embarrasment will force Modi to do something tbh.
 
Pretty comprehensive press briefing and we will read more in the coming days as they have released further details to the journalists. What isn't fascinating is the hubris. Calling yourself Godzilla. They really are actually delusional. I cant wait for the JF35 to arrive and further damage their arteries.
 
How did PAF intercept that message. The Rafales were at least a 100 kms away, the comms must be encrypted. Encryption systems are pretty foolproof nowadays
 
Relax Mr Cliche, don't be so sensitive...

Everyone is a liar except for Pakistanis, you feel better now ? :apology
I think you have it backwards. You should be asking if everyone is liar except bakhts, because consensus seems to be (except Indians) that Rafale was shot down.
 
I think you have it backwards. You should be asking if everyone is liar except bakhts, because consensus seems to be (except Indians) that Rafale was shot down.

So no proof Rafale has been shot down.

'Unnamed French source' and a few edited images, try harder..

:inzi2
 
So no proof Rafale has been shot down.

'Unnamed French source' and a few edited images, try harder..

:inzi2
It has been confirmed by French, American sources, as well independently by BBC. You will play dumb as usual, and that's fine. The consensus outside India is what matters.
 
How did PAF intercept that message. The Rafales were at least a 100 kms away, the comms must be encrypted. Encryption systems are pretty foolproof nowadays

But Paxstann is sooo advanced they can pick up messages that are encrypted from space stations 😇
 
So no proof Rafale has been shot down.

'Unnamed French source' and a few edited images, try harder..

:inzi2
How blind do you have to be to ignore all the evidence about the downed jet lol . India govt basically confirmed the downing by saying they will comment later instead of a outright denial.

International media reported it. French intelligence, US intelligence all confirmed it on background. Heck Indian intelligence told The Hindu but they were forced to delete the post
 
It has been confirmed by French, American sources, as well independently by BBC. You will play dumb as usual, and that's fine. The consensus outside India is what matters.

'Unnamed French source' that told someone that then told someone else.

'Unnamed French source'

Must be true bro 🤡
 
How blind do you have to be to ignore all the evidence about the downed jet lol . India govt basically confirmed the downing by saying they will comment later instead of a outright denial.

International media reported it. French intelligence, US intelligence all confirmed it on background. Heck Indian intelligence told The Hindu but they were forced to delete the post

Yeah bro a few edited images online and an 'unnamed' French source.


Ok ok I give it to you. On PP Pakistan is winning this war bro, I surrender :apology
 
Yeah bro a few edited images online and an 'unnamed' French source.


Ok ok I give it to you. On PP Pakistan is winning this war bro, I surrender :apology
Lol I'm not Pakistani. But your mind is rotted with partisan propaganda. No wonder news channels are concocting their own reports of imagined attacks and people like you continue to lap it up.

Intelligence sources are always unnamed. Do you think an intelligence official would attach his name to a statement given on background. That's why media orgs like reuters bbc and NYT verify the source before posting it because it's their credibility is on the line
 
Lol I'm not Pakistani. But your mind is rotted with partisan propaganda. No wonder news channels are concocting their own reports of imagined attacks and people like you continue to lap it up.

Intelligence sources are always unnamed. Do you think an intelligence official would attach his name to a statement given on background. That's why media orgs like reuters bbc and NYT verify the source before posting it because it's their credibility is on the line

Yes 'unnamed' French source which CNN and lol BBC which tried to target PM Modi is running with the story and Yes Paxstan has won the war on PP.

Bangladeshis joining the fight soon ?


I only realised on PP that 'unnamed' sources were not made up... 🤡
 
Yes 'unnamed' French source which CNN and lol BBC which tried to target PM Modi is running with the story and Yes Paxstan has won the war on PP.

Bangladeshis joining the fight soon ?


I only realised on PP that 'unnamed' sources were not made up... 🤡
Lol that's how journalism works. Sometimes sources get to be anonymous because they can't discuss it openly. It's up to the media orgs to verify and their credibility is on the line. That's why international media like NYT and Reuters has more credibility than Noida media. Like I said the only reason you are questioning the report is because it's negative to India. If this was a republic tv report about massive attack on karachi port citing no sources you would lap it up because it confirms your priors

Not Bangladeshi either, try again
 
Lol that's how journalism works. Sometimes sources get to be anonymous because they can't discuss it openly. It's up to the media orgs to verify and their credibility is on the line. That's why international media like NYT and Reuters has more credibility than Noida media. Like I said the only reason you are questioning the report is because it's negative to India. If this was a republic tv report about massive attack on karachi port citing no sources you would lap it up because it confirms your priors

Not Bangladeshi either, try again

Yes I admit Paxstan has won the war here on PP with the the 'unnamed' French sources..😁

Apologies if you are a Britstani, I don't know.
 
Yes I admit Paxstan has won the war here on PP with the the 'unnamed' French sources..😁

Apologies if you are a Britstani, I don't know.
Lol spoken like a true andbhakth. Just read one line on twitter and repeating it like a parrot. 😂😂

Keep trying you'll eventually get it
 
Lol spoken like a true andbhakth. Just read one line on twitter and repeating it like a parrot. 😂😂

Keep trying you'll eventually get it

Bro, I already admit Paxstan has won the war on PP.. Indian fighter jets, ships, tanks have all been beaten by the Paxstanis on PP.

😉😊
 
Bro, I already admit Paxstan has won the war on PP.. Indian fighter jets, ships, tanks have all been beaten by the Paxstanis on PP.

😉😊

French Jets and Israeli drones. Air carrier is in the crosshair Insha'Allah. Last time it retreated
 
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🤣🤣 this is too funny. And our guy was like those animals are extinct, maybe he got confused with dinosaurs
 
French Jets and Israeli drones. Air carrier is in the crosshair Insha'Allah. Last time it retreated

All jokes aside.

It is fun and games, cops and robbers, unnamed source claims etc for now, hopefully It will stay that way and this conflict will end.

If things go out of hand then there is no winner here... India I feel has more to lose as it will hurt the economy that had been moving upwards.

Pakistan has less to lose, I would say almost nothing in comparison to India....
 
All jokes aside.

It is fun and games, cops and robbers, unnamed source claims etc for now, hopefully It will stay that way and this conflict will end.

If things go out of hand then there is no winner here... India I feel has more to lose as it will hurt the economy that had been moving upwards.

Pakistan has less to lose, I would say almost nothing in comparison to India....

India just attacked a few airbases in Pakistan. They want a victory bad to save face after the aforementioned humiliations. War is upon us and history will remember India's own undoing.
 
All jokes aside.

It is fun and games, cops and robbers, unnamed source claims etc for now, hopefully It will stay that way and this conflict will end.

If things go out of hand then there is no winner here... India I feel has more to lose as it will hurt the economy that had been moving upwards.

Pakistan has less to lose, I would say almost nothing in comparison to India....
Why don't you keep your mouth shut and sit your a$$ down in comfy Australia?

Talk to me when an airbase 9 minutes away from your home is targeted by a missile, and causes an explosion so loud that it rocks your entire nearby area.

Till then sit down because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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Why don't you keep your mouth shut and sit your a$$ down in comfy Australia?

Talk to me when an airbase 9 minutes away from your home is targeted by a missile, and causes an explosion so loud that it rocks your entire nearby area.

Till then sit down because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Ok.tough guy, instead of being a keyboard warrior.

Why don't you go rebel against your Asim Munir and the Pakistani military that needs nationalism to spread to save their unpopular rear end....

*****Free Imran Khan********
 
So 5 planes have been confirmed with 3 Rafales going down.

Now to hide their embarrassment, India is sending in surveillance drones.
 
So 5 planes have been confirmed with 3 Rafales going down.

Now to hide their embarrassment, India is sending in surveillance drones.
4 have been quasi confirmed. But two have been reported by multiple media sources independently a Rafale and a Mirage.

Another two are a Mig and likely a sukhoi based on ejection seat but didn't see multiple sources about them
 
Global militaries to study India-Pakistan fighter jet battle

A dogfight between Chinese-made Pakistani jets and French-made Indian Rafale fighters will be closely scrutinized by militaries seeking insights that could offer an edge in future conflicts.

A Chinese-made Pakistani fighter plane shot down at least two Indian military aircraft on Wednesday, two U.S. officials told Reuters, marking a potential major milestone for Beijing's advanced fighter jet.

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The aerial clash is a rare opportunity for militaries to study the performance of pilots, fighter jets and air-to-air missiles in active combat, and use that knowledge to prepare their own air forces for battle.

Experts said the live use of advanced weapons would be analyzed across the world, including in China and the United States which are both preparing for a potential conflict over Taiwan or in the wider Indo-Pacific region.

One U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters there was high confidence that Pakistan had used the Chinese-made J-10 aircraft to launch air-to-air missiles against Indian fighter jets.

Social media posts focused on the performance of China's PL-15 air-to-air missile against the Meteor, a radar-guided air-to-air missile produced by European group MBDA (AIR.PA), opens new tab, (BAES.L), opens new tab, (LDOF.MI), opens new tab. There has been no official confirmation these weapons were used.

"Air warfare communities in China, the U.S. and a number of European countries will be extremely interested to try and get as much ground truth as they can on tactics, techniques, procedures, what kit was used, what worked and what didn't," said Douglas Barrie, senior fellow for military aerospace at the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

"You have arguably China's most capable weapon against the West's most capable weapon, if indeed it was being carried; we don't know that," Barrie said.

The French and Americans would likely be hoping for similar intelligence from India, Barrie said.

"The PL-15 is a big problem. It is something that the U.S. military pays a lot of attention to," a defense industry executive said.

Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation (AM.PA), opens new tab declined comment and the MBDA consortium (AIR.PA), opens new tab, (BAES.L), opens new tab, (LDOF.MI), opens new tab could not immediately be reached for comment on a French public holiday.

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Western analysts and industry sources said crucial details remained unclear including whether the Meteor was carried and the type and amount of training the pilots had received. Arms firms would also be anxious to separate technical performance from operational factors, analysts said.

"There will be audits of what works and what doesn't work, but I think the other overlay is the proverbial fog of war," said Byron Callan, a Washington-based defense expert and managing partner of Capital Alpha Partners.

U.S. arms companies are getting constant feedback about how their products are working in the war in Ukraine, he said.

"So I absolutely expect the same to be the case with India's European suppliers, and Pakistan and China are probably sharing the same feedback. If the PL-15 is working as advertised or better than expected, the Chinese would like to hear that."

A defense industry source from a Western country operating the Meteor said an online picture of a seeker appeared to feature the component of a missile that had missed its target. There are conflicting reports on whether Pakistan has the domestic version of the PL-15 from the PLAAF, China's air force, or the lower-range export version publicly unveiled in 2021.

Barrie, who has written extensively on the missile, said he believed that Pakistan most likely has the export version.

A Western industry source dismissed claims that the rocket-powered PL-15 had longer range than the air-breathing Meteor but acknowledged that its capability "may be greater than was thought." The Meteor's range has not been officially published. "At the moment it's not possible to judge anything. We know so little," the industry source said.

The PL-15's range and performance have been a focus of Western interest for years. Its emergence was seen as one of many signals that China had moved well beyond reliance on Soviet-era derivative technology.

The United States is developing the AIM-260 Joint Advanced Tactical Missile via Lockheed Martin (LMT.N), opens new tab partly in response to the PL-15 and its beyond-visual-range performance - part of a broader reset of Western priorities toward China.

European nations are exploring a mid-life upgrade for Meteor, which specialist publication Janes says could involve propulsion and guidance, but analysts say progress has been slow.

REUTERS
 

Attached a link to a video analyses from Indian YouTube channel involving the Editor of Force Magazine, Pravin Sawhney.
As per his POV the battle in the air was critical.
 
India ordered some 30 odd more rafales last week, will be fun when we sink their aircraft carrier with their rafale naval versions on their, next time it kicks off.
 
The Rafale is a very capable jet, one of the best of it's generation.

We don't know the circumstances of its downing, and whether it was pilot error.

Anyone who has played DCS knows, in war even the most skilled pilots can crash. Some level of attrition is expected.
 
The Rafale is a very capable jet, one of the best of it's generation.

We don't know the circumstances of its downing, and whether it was pilot error.

Anyone who has played DCS knows, in war even the most skilled pilots can crash. Some level of attrition is expected.

My best Guess is rafale pilot released his bombs from Indian punjab which hit bhawalpur, he wasn't ecpecting a pl150 from 150km and coudan't fire back because he didnt have a meteor on board, since he deployed all his bombs at bahawalpur.
 
Major and his sources never disappoint… LOL.
By the way, who is that unnamed French intelligence guy? Please don’t say Misbah-ul-Haq! :LOL:
 
The Rafale is a very capable jet, one of the best of it's generation.

We don't know the circumstances of its downing, and whether it was pilot error.

Anyone who has played DCS knows, in war even the most skilled pilots can crash. Some level of attrition is expected.
lol DCS that simulation games?

Thats like saying Babar Azam has to go through tough decisions after having played cricket captain simulator
 
lol DCS that simulation games?

Thats like saying Babar Azam has to go through tough decisions after having played cricket captain simulator
You're missing the point. DCS doesn't teach real combat skills, but it does provide a sense of what aerial combat is like.

It's not meant for pilots, it's for ordinary folks discussing the operations
 
Imagine getting shot down in your own airspace of all the places. And not once or twice, 5 times and 3 of them are your top of the line Rafales lol
 
You guys should read about this on reddit, uff even the foreigners are having a go at India and their false news. How they first claimed of destroying Pakistani plane and than it turned other way around and kept denying it.
 
India will never admit to it btw, it will never come out not under modi government anyway, same way they will never admit to their airbase being lit up last night.

Pakistan has admitted to their airbase being struck but nothing will come out of the indian side, about planes or bases.
 
Aljazeera reporting that they have been told by pakistani military sources that Pakistan downed two jets today as well and has captured one lady-pilot. And all the ceasefire talk might have something to do with this pilot. Let's see how this story goes on.
 
Aljazeera reporting that they have been told by pakistani military sources that Pakistan downed two jets today as well and has captured one lady-pilot. And all the ceasefire talk might have something to do with this pilot. Let's see how this story goes on.

I doubt this after day 1 they stopped using their planes and stuck to drones and missiles, they didn't want to lose any more planes.
 
Indians are an absolute embrassment. The goras will first expose them and then later they will slowly admit that they were massacres by the PAF.

IAF is a jhooti and embarassing airforve lol these are the first ever Rafale kills in combat.

India will live with this embarrassment forever.
Well that’s expected. India is low trust society where people don’t trust each other. Scamming and fraud is pretty much normalized in India. Do you really expect them to expect defeat? They will go out of their way to conceal the truth.
 
How did PAF intercept that message. The Rafales were at least a 100 kms away, the comms must be encrypted. Encryption systems are pretty foolproof nowadays
This is still the biggest mystery of the downing to me. You simply can't break encrypted comms. Not humanly possible.

For Pakistan to have accessed the comms, someone must have used the wrong channel to communicate, or the recording is fake.
 
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