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What do you make of Rashid Khan's behaviour?

Absolutely nothing wrong with it. He is a sensational cricketer who can back up the arrogance. Not that this is arrogance to begin with.

Sensational is a big word. He sure is really good but I am yet to so him win his side anything memorable against any top side, having inflated stats against minnows and beating Bangla and this Srl team is nothing to rave about.
 
Absolutely nothing wrong with it. He is a sensational cricketer who can back up the arrogance. Not that this is arrogance to begin with.
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It is time for him to cut down on that fake attitude and get over that cringeworthy celebration.


[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION], what say you?
 
Sensational is a big word. He sure is really good but I am yet to so him win his side anything memorable against any top side, having inflated stats against minnows and beating Bangla and this Srl team is nothing to rave about.

Do you honestly think any of the pak players can win with this Afghan team? Cricket is a team game
 
Those were celeberations without pointing fingers and showing directions to the opposition batsmen

Pakistani cricket is littered with such celebrations since I started watching.

Asif, Ajmal, Afridi, and Akhtar have all given similar sendoffs. Hell Afridi didn't even spare his own countrymen in the PSL (Saif Badar).

[utube]JyVYHhD0AnM[/utube]
 
Nothing wrong
Guy is a super star ..
would love him in our side and TBH he is the only Afghan player(maybe Shahzad too) who looks like a Pakistani
 
Hasan Ali celebrations are fine but Rashid Khan's isnt.Lol.

What has IPL got to do here OP? He makes in excess of $1mn from the IPL. So he cant celebrate?

Ah joshila bhai and his show boating of IPL millions on every cricket thread like those millions are his own. Name a better duo.
 
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[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION], what say you?

Hasan Ali is not as good as Rashid Khan and I don't mind him giving a send-off to the opposition, but I think his generator celebration has ran its course and is becoming cringeworthy now.

Not sure why you had to tag two other posters. Are you planning a 3 on 1 attack because you cannot take me on your own?
 
They are not minnows on this surface with 3 quality spinners. Eng,Aus,SA and NZ would have not chased down 250 today.

Eng Aus SA NZ wouldn’t have let these cowboys make anything over 170... this is paks worst ever bowling line up since 2013
 
Says the guy with a junaid Khan av ROFL

I am happy that you are showing your true colors. I suspected that you are fake posturing as a Pakistani. Now i am 100 pc sure that you are.

Junaid is a top bowler and was the third best bowler in CT.
 
Nothing wrong with it. Only in cricket will a "shut up" gesture be so analyzed. In fact, his celebrations are a lot more subdued than someone like Hasan Ali.
 
Ah joshila bhai and his show boating of IPL millions on every cricket thread like those millions are his own. Name a better duo.

I understand your jealousy for the ipl. But there is nothing you can do.
 
Sensational is a big word. He sure is really good but I am yet to so him win his side anything memorable against any top side, having inflated stats against minnows and beating Bangla and this Srl team is nothing to rave about.

He is the best Limited Overs spinner in the world. People simply have a chip on their shoulders when it comes to Afghanistan players.

Your post actually describes someone like Shadab better than Rashid, who has done nothing as a spinner against the top teams, yet he has conjured a superstar like reputation among our fans.

If Rashid was Pakistani and was part of our current team that has indulged in minnow-bashing to its hearts' content, he would be viewed differently by our fans today.

Yes he is about 5-6 years older than he says and he is not very humble, but he is a special cricketer than will walk into any ODI and T20 team in the world today.
 
One heck of a player. As some one said, the bowling version of Kohli. He is full of confidence, reeks arrogance but has the ability to back it up with performances. He has such control over the things happening in the cricket field.
 
Pakistani cricket is littered with such celebrations since I started watching.

Asif, Ajmal, Afridi, and Akhtar have all given similar sendoffs. Hell Afridi didn't even spare his own countrymen in the PSL (Saif Badar).

[utube]JyVYHhD0AnM[/utube]

Why presenting only one side of the picture? Afridi had to publicly apologise on twitter because of people's reactions.
 
You are an idiot if you are comparing a fast bowler with a spinner. You are fickle if you are down playing Hassan Ali to big up Rashid Khan, who both are good at what they do.
 
Stretching your arm out is not cringeworthy. Acting like you just exploded is.

Indians are still weeping over how Hassan single handedly led Pakistan to an ICC tournie victory. Something they could only dream for their own. Seeing Fakhar and Hassan performing badly gives you lot immense pleasure, we know.
 
Indians are still weeping over how Hassan single handedly led Pakistan to an ICC tournie victory. Something they could only dream for their own. Seeing Fakhar and Hassan performing badly gives you lot immense pleasure, we know.

2 world cups, 2 CTs, 6 Asia Cups, and 1 T20 world cup. You're right, it's something we can only dream of. But stop going on a tangent in every thread.
 
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[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION], what say you?


Ah! Its [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] man, he is not kind towards Pak players most of the times so cant say anything he is a man of clear likes and dislikes. Dislikes for Pak players have been more though. Maybe he expects more from the talent they possess, who knows?

Though he gives exceptional and impressive insights when Pak is not involved but Pak involvement blurs his vision to one extreme. I expect better from him, to give insights about players, teams and conditions rather than targeting a bunch of Pak players or team as a whole.
 
2 world cups, 2 CTs, 6 Asia Cups, and 1 T20 world cup. You're right, it's something we can only dream of. But stop going on a tangent in every thread.

Great to see you lot counting Asia cups as some sort of achievement. I actually keep losing track because i feel like i kept getting told that Asia cup is useless, Indian fans dont care about Asia cup blah blah

Khair, none of the tournies was won by your bowlers but your batting. So my point stays there, something you can dream off.
 
Still cant help you sleep at night. Can it? IPL and the nightmares it gives to people like you.

Looks like you love going in circles, buddy. I think its pretty hilarious someone showboating IPL millions on every thread like they were his own. Have never seen someone do that wrt to PSL or Big bash.
 
He is the best Limited Overs spinner in the world. People simply have a chip on their shoulders when it comes to Afghanistan players.

Your post actually describes someone like Shadab better than Rashid, who has done nothing as a spinner against the top teams, yet he has conjured a superstar like reputation among our fans.

If Rashid was Pakistani and was part of our current team that has indulged in minnow-bashing to its hearts' content, he would be viewed differently by our fans today.

Yes he is about 5-6 years older than he says and he is not very humble, but he is a special cricketer than will walk into any ODI and T20 team in the world today.

I never said Shadab is better as a bowler as he himslef is yet to win us matches against top sides but Shadab has much more potential as all rounder. He did win us one match by hitting a 6 in a T20 match and has 50s in Eng and Nz.
 
Ah! Its [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] man, he is not kind towards Pak players most of the times so cant say anything he is a man of clear likes and dislikes. Dislikes for Pak players have been more though. Maybe he expects more from the talent they possess, who knows?

Though he gives exceptional and impressive insights when Pak is not involved but Pak involvement blurs his vision to one extreme. I expect better from him, to give insights about players, teams and conditions rather than targeting a bunch of Pak players or team as a whole.

People tend to go overboard here that is why I also have to go overboard with my criticism of Pakistani players to off-set the hype, but I do appreciate the honest critique.
 
I am happy that you are showing your true colors. I suspected that you are fake posturing as a Pakistani. Now i am 100 pc sure that you are.

Junaid is a top bowler and was the third best bowler in CT.

Bro, there’s no bigger fan of Junaid Khan on this site, I rate him higher than amir.
 
Why presenting only one side of the picture? Afridi had to publicly apologise on twitter because of people's reactions.

Because he did it to a fellow Pakistani.

Like I said, Ajmal, Akhtar, Asif, and Afridi have done this multiple times. Shadab (was fined vs WI), Amir, and Hasan Ali have also used colorful language while sending off players.

Pakistani cricket is filled to the top with examples dating back to the 90s.
 
Pakistani cricket is littered with such celebrations since I started watching.

Asif, Ajmal, Afridi, and Akhtar have all given similar sendoffs. Hell Afridi didn't even spare his own countrymen in the PSL (Saif Badar).

[utube]JyVYHhD0AnM[/utube]

I thought the comparison was bw Rashid, Sheheen and Hassan not the history of cricket or leagues
 
Because he did it to a fellow Pakistani.

Like I said, Ajmal, Akhtar, Asif, and Afridi have done this multiple times. Shadab (was fined vs WI), Amir, and Hasan Ali have also used colorful language while sending off players.

Pakistani cricket is filled to the top with examples dating back to the 90s.

It was much, much worse in the 90’s.

Wasim was allowed to have a go at the umpires and called Australian’s certain “feminine” terms.

The good ol’ days...
 
Arrogant? sure, but it's not a big deal as long as they don't cross the line.
 
I had no issue with it, his cockiness shook up the Pakistani superiority complex and by getting under the skin of the players we nearly saw an upset. He's still a teen and it's very standard to be brimming in confidence at this age. Good luck to him.
 
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I had no issue with it, his cockiness shook up the Pakistani superiority complex and it very nearly pulled off an upset. He's still a teen and it's very standard to be brimming in confidence at this age. Good luck to him.

With all due respect to him, he’s not a teen.

A teen is someone defined as between the ages of 13-18.

Even if you take in his “official” age of 19, he does not qualify as a teen.
 
I had no issue with it, his cockiness shook up the Pakistani superiority complex and by getting under the skin of the players we nearly saw an upset. He's still a teen and it's very standard to be brimming in confidence at this age. Good luck to him.

I take issue with this, because we were being humiliated before that celebration, and actually hit hit after it
 
With all due respect to him, he’s not a teen.

A teen is someone defined as between the ages of 13-18.

Even if you take in his “official” age of 19, he does not qualify as a teen.

Most definitions of "teen" or "teennager" refer to persons between 13 and 19 years of age. This is obvious because the numbers thirteen to nineteen end in "teen".
 
Was it Rashid crying his eyes out and on his knee's when they lost?:kakmal I don't really see anything offensive about his behaviour.
 
Looks like you love going in circles, buddy. I think its pretty hilarious someone showboating IPL millions on every thread like they were his own. Have never seen someone do that wrt to PSL or Big bash.

From when did psl paid million dollars in salary? What will you showboat about?
 
I would never, its not my money. Its foolish and childish to showboat on something i dont have as my own.

Yes you dont have a league that can pay a million dollars. So ofcourse you cant showboat.
 
I dont mind his celebrations, a bit of competitive edge always helps...my biggest issue is that this is probably the 10th time I've seen him play and apart from the odd occasion, he does not get the ball to spin. He seems to be picking up wickets much the same way as Mendis, by varying length and at times, pace. It is clever but hardly a spinner and wants batsmen look beyond that, he will get clobbered.
 
I dont mind his celebrations, a bit of competitive edge always helps...my biggest issue is that this is probably the 10th time I've seen him play and apart from the odd occasion, he does not get the ball to spin. He seems to be picking up wickets much the same way as Mendis, by varying length and at times, pace. It is clever but hardly a spinner and wants batsmen look beyond that, he will get clobbered.

He doesn't spin his stock leg spin ball, ironically. But his googly definitely spins.

And he's not like Mendis. He's closer to an Afridi or a Badree.
 
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Ireland have played Afghanistan in 15 ODI's or more in the past 3 years and Rashid has been in all of them so I've probably seen as much of his on field stuff as anyone. Opinion?

Yes, he is definitely in your face, he definitely tries to get under the skin and on occasion might even cross the line a little, however from what I've seen of him the minute the game ends he's a totally different person, much more gracious and respectable. Can respect that. Guy is ultimately the best in the world at what he does, he didnt get there for nothing. Wants to win and win every game, take every wicket, hence his incredible success. I can actually respect him for that.

Now Nabi on the other hand is an indefensible cheating ...........
 
Ireland have played Afghanistan in 15 ODI's or more in the past 3 years and Rashid has been in all of them so I've probably seen as much of his on field stuff as anyone. Opinion?

Yes, he is definitely in your face, he definitely tries to get under the skin and on occasion might even cross the line a little, however from what I've seen of him the minute the game ends he's a totally different person, much more gracious and respectable. Can respect that. Guy is ultimately the best in the world at what he does, he didnt get there for nothing. Wants to win and win every game, take every wicket, hence his incredible success. I can actually respect him for that.

Now Nabi on the other hand is an indefensible cheating ...........

Nabi is a nice guy if you look beyond the run out of Edd Joyce and the catch he claimed.
 
Nabi is a nice guy if you look beyond the run out of Edd Joyce and the catch he claimed.

Both of which were disgusting, deliberate attempts at cheating. The second one made significantly worse by the fact it occurred after the first one and in a game Afghanistan were easily winning anyway.

I'm sure hes fine off the field, but I'll never respect him on it.
 
He was hit for a 6 in the previous ball, i don’t see anything wrong with his behaviour.

It’s fine for a pace bowler to be aggressive and use foul language but a world class world famous spinner from a upcoming cricket nation can’t?
 
How is Rashid Khan world class? For taking wickets against minnows? First game against a top side, he got tonked and lost Afghanistan the game single-handedly
 
I may be wrong but as far as I know, send offs in the face of the batters are against the spirit of cricket and you get some fine for it.
 
Should be fined. I personally found it to be very immature of him and don't have respect for him. Hopefully he will grow out of it.
 
I see nothing wrong with his behavior but then again i did not watch every ball. A little aggression is OK IMO. A lot of PP might be influenced by politics on the issue
 
There is one type of over-the-top celebration in which you celebrate aggressively alone or with your teammates, and then there is what Rashid was doing. Glaring at the batsman eying them down or doing gestures for them to get lost.


All that arrogance looks cheap when you get smashed to the stands by a number 10 batsman.

Did you see Shaheen’s celebration? He said ‘Ooza’ three times to Asghar. That means “get lost”.
 
He think's he's very big star already. He does the same in the leagues he play's. Most of the Afghan player seem arrogant to me they need to calm down and come back to earth. Otherwise it will be another Bangla

I like their confidence. It doesn’t hurt to have personalities. This is part of the reason cricket doesn’t get picked up. Puritans like you frown upon stuff like this but people are pulled towards theatrics a lot more than the sport itself.
 
Like this rivalry which is brewing with Afghanistan, hope the animosity continues to build and the teams establish a real dislike for one another. I much rather watch a game when there is real tension between the sides in this case the countries than a borefest with Sri Lanka.
 
He's a a complete wetwipe. Will be finished within 2 years. He barely spins it. Loved to see him being smashed.
 
I think, Rashid's stocks are too high here in PP. Very good bowler for LOs, but is he that good a leggi? His first Test was poor (now I should mention that, when he was trashed by almost everyone for his 1st Test, this guy MMHS was among very few who stood for him), and today I have checked his ODI profile - he has

117 wickets in 50 games @14/3.9/22 stats which is unreal in contemporary cricket. But, guy has played

BD - 4 ODIs
HK - 1
IRL - 16
PAK - 1
SCT - 3
SRL - 1
UAE - 1
WIN - 5
ZIM - 18

And, in
BD - 3
IND - 5
IRL - 7
SCT - 2
UAE - 14
WIN - 3
ZIM - 16

Does this really gives that confidence that, if he starts to play regularly with top 8 sides above AFG?
 
I think, Rashid's stocks are too high here in PP. Very good bowler for LOs, but is he that good a leggi? His first Test was poor (now I should mention that, when he was trashed by almost everyone for his 1st Test, this guy MMHS was among very few who stood for him), and today I have checked his ODI profile - he has

117 wickets in 50 games @14/3.9/22 stats which is unreal in contemporary cricket. But, guy has played

BD - 4 ODIs
HK - 1
IRL - 16
PAK - 1
SCT - 3
SRL - 1
UAE - 1
WIN - 5
ZIM - 18

And, in
BD - 3
IND - 5
IRL - 7
SCT - 2
UAE - 14
WIN - 3
ZIM - 16

Does this really gives that confidence that, if he starts to play regularly with top 8 sides above AFG?

Well he has bamboozled Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Pakistan. Lets see how he does against India.

But yes, in Asian conditions he will do very well against all teams.

In tests he has a capability to do well as well in Asian conditions, but that will come with the more he plays the longer format.

But it may be a different story in non-asian conditions against top sides.
 
I see nothing wrong with Rashid's actions.

It isnt much worse than Shaheen's celebration today, or Hasan's after every wicket.

He is an aggressive cricketer which can be seen in his bowling and batting. In his mind he is a fast bowler who bowls 160 kph and tries to intimidate batsmen. Its part of his on field presence.
 
Well he has bamboozled Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Pakistan. Lets see how he does against India.

But yes, in Asian conditions he will do very well against all teams.

In tests he has a capability to do well as well in Asian conditions, but that will come with the more he plays the longer format.

But it may be a different story in non-asian conditions against top sides.

Leg spinners are itself a mystery because they have so many options. But, if Rashid starts to play regularly with top teams, I think they'll work out on his demystification - Warne survived after that for 2 decades because he had very little mystery, he did simple things so proficiently with absolute accuracy that batsmen knew what was coming, still hardly managed him. For example, everyone knew he had little Googly, rather he had couple of flipper/top-spinners; but he used to bowl his flippers a bit faster & a little short so that he gets batsmen on back-foot. I am sure every batsman had seen that flipper action thousands of times, still apart from Salim Malik & STD, and may be Lara, hardly anyone could manage that ball well, most of them would get LBW trying to pull.

I didn't see Rashid's big turning leggi, which should be the stock ball for every leg spinners. I actually haven't seen him much because he didn't play ODI against us after his debut series and I hardly rate spinners from T20s. I searched for his profile to see which batsmen/teams he had troubled and the result was shocking, a posted. Even those 3 games against BD, SRL & PAK are played on surface rare these days and 3 times, he was defending what has to be an above per score for the track. In ZIM, on a good wicket SCT chased 250 inside 40 overs against him.

Also, I have seen any batsman trying to distort his length, which is irritating for most leggis, as they need to change pace & length. Since, it comes from wrist, if a leggi is to alter his bowling plan during delivery stride, often they loose their tight control. This Abu Dhabi ground isn't the ground where you can step out and loft spinners for the distance of boundary & slowness of wicket, but once batsmen starts to charge at him, we'll have to wait to see his reaction.

I'll be waiting eagerly to see him in UK next year, where Warne won a WC in May-June, and Qadir had couple of 5fors in 1983 WC..
 
Leg spinners are itself a mystery because they have so many options. But, if Rashid starts to play regularly with top teams, I think they'll work out on his demystification - Warne survived after that for 2 decades because he had very little mystery, he did simple things so proficiently with absolute accuracy that batsmen knew what was coming, still hardly managed him. For example, everyone knew he had little Googly, rather he had couple of flipper/top-spinners; but he used to bowl his flippers a bit faster & a little short so that he gets batsmen on back-foot. I am sure every batsman had seen that flipper action thousands of times, still apart from Salim Malik & STD, and may be Lara, hardly anyone could manage that ball well, most of them would get LBW trying to pull.

I didn't see Rashid's big turning leggi, which should be the stock ball for every leg spinners. I actually haven't seen him much because he didn't play ODI against us after his debut series and I hardly rate spinners from T20s. I searched for his profile to see which batsmen/teams he had troubled and the result was shocking, a posted. Even those 3 games against BD, SRL & PAK are played on surface rare these days and 3 times, he was defending what has to be an above per score for the track. In ZIM, on a good wicket SCT chased 250 inside 40 overs against him.

Also, I have seen any batsman trying to distort his length, which is irritating for most leggis, as they need to change pace & length. Since, it comes from wrist, if a leggi is to alter his bowling plan during delivery stride, often they loose their tight control. This Abu Dhabi ground isn't the ground where you can step out and loft spinners for the distance of boundary & slowness of wicket, but once batsmen starts to charge at him, we'll have to wait to see his reaction.

I'll be waiting eagerly to see him in UK next year, where Warne won a WC in May-June, and Qadir had couple of 5fors in 1983 WC..

He isn't a traditional leggie.

He himself says he considers himself more of a finger spinner.

His unique action disguises the delivery a little more than a traditional leg spin action.

His leggie, straighter one, and googly are very hard to pick because of his unique action.

You are right in that there is a mystery about him.

But due to the pace he gets on the ball due to him using his fingers as part of his action, it is hard to decode this mystery.

Not sure charging down to him would work considering how much pace he puts on his deliveries including the googly. Its a high probability to get stumped, he isnt like a traditional leggie who bowls much slower.

But Babar, Imam, and Malik showed everyone that it is possible to bat Rashid out and keep out his balls. So in a scenario like test matches where batsmen dont have to attack him, it is a good possibility he is not nearly as effective.

Still a gun LOI bowler though, as he is nearly impossible to hit.
 
I see nothing wrong with Rashid's actions.

It isnt much worse than Shaheen's celebration today, or Hasan's after every wicket.

He is an aggressive cricketer which can be seen in his bowling and batting. In his mind he is a fast bowler who bowls 160 kph and tries to intimidate batsmen. Its part of his on field presence.


Only thing I can say is, he is at least 28+. I can't believe this man just turned 20 years few days ago.

And for behavior thing, its fine, bowlers do celebrate in their own style, and there is no harm. What people want, bowlers to stop celebrating wickets?? If he is making some offensive comments then there are match referees to play their part.
 
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