What do you make of Shahid Afridi's 'choozay', 'chai', Modi remarks?

[chazam]

That's what I thought. The Indians posters on here are perpetual liars, they pull their "facts" from where the sun don't shine.

Jinnah is taught as one of the founders of freedom in textbooks in Indian Punjab along with Nehru and Gandhi along with many others like Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev and Rajguru. But it is also taught that a separate nation was demanded based on religion and hence the bloody partition. Lessons about Bose, Indian National Congress and Muslim League, British divide and conquer policy based on pork and cows meat in hindu temples and mosques... all these things are taught.
What is taught in Pakistan about Gandhi and Nehru and Bose.

Also, You seem to have nothing to contribute to discussions apart from sarcastic one liners.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

What is taught in Pakistan about Gandhi and Nehru and Bose.

Quite a bit actually. I think I learned more about Gandhi than I did about someone like Allama Iqbal. Salt March, non cooperation, quit india, negotiations, round table conferences, Gandhi has a very major role in Pakistani text books. Nehru is there as well.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

A counter question: Jinnah’s shift from a desire for India to remain whole, to a desire for a separate country, is that taught in India? The reasons for this drastic shift in ideology?

 

[Asifnow]

The one which has been trying to get Kashmir since it's inception only to fail embarrassingly everytime and got it's country cut in half by it's enemy whilst recording the largest surrender since ww2.

The last time Pakistan invaded India, they took what they wanted

Also, nice to go back to 1971, but believe it or not we are in 2020. If Pakistan is so weak militarily, I am curious why India hasn't invaded after having two if its jets shot down?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

so he has no concerns about Uighur muslims treatment in China. Would love to hear a few words about
that from the intellectual Afridi.. savior of all muslims.
Or there is a category.. good muslims and bad muslims. where the uighurs are the bad ones and should be allowed to rot in a detention center all the time.
Also, as far as i know.. how many rohingya muslims did Pakistan offer to help??

As always trying to divert the topic at hand by bringing in China and others.

 

[Mesozoic]

The last time Pakistan invaded India, they took what they wanted

Took what ? Kashmiri Pulao ?

Also, nice to go back to 1971, but believe it or not we are in 2020. If Pakistan is so weak militarily, I am curious why India hasn't invaded after having two if its jets shot down?

You still on that ? So I guess "doosra banda" is still in the hospital recovering from his "injuries".

 

[Asifnow]

Took what ? Kashmiri Pulao ?



You still on that ? So I guess "doosra banda" is still in the hospital recovering from his "injuries".

Ok 2, 1, whatever you like, very simple question though and I will repeat -

I am curious why India hasn't invaded after having two if its jets shot down?

 

[Mesozoic]

Ok 2, 1, whatever you like, very simple question though and I will repeat -

I am curious why India hasn't invaded after having two if its jets shot down?

Well if you keep pushing this empty rhetoric, then I too get inclined to ask questions like where's the "DoosraBanda" and why in a matter of few hours the count went from 3 , 2 and then finally to "just 1 guy in our custody".... You get the point.

Don't expect an answer from me if you insist on doing that...

 

[Local.Dada]

Ok 2, 1, whatever you like, very simple question though and I will repeat -

I am curious why India hasn't invaded after having two if its jets shot down?

It didn’t need to. It did what it had to and just closed out the Kashmir issue and said do what you gotta do to almost like a taunt.

Pakistan is so far responding in a scary twitter attack. After proving their clear superiority shouldn’t it be as simple as stealing candy from a 3 year old.

 

[El Generico]

It didn’t need to. It did what it had to and just closed out the Kashmir issue and said do what you gotta do to almost like a taunt.

Pakistan is so far responding in a scary twitter attack. After proving their clear superiority shouldn’t it be as simple as stealing candy from a 3 year old.

How did they close out the Kashmir issue unless you are admitting that there is no such thing as “POK”? Don’t your PM and every major politician claim that Azad Kashmir and Gilgit are your “atoot ang” ? Pakistan has held those areas for over 70 years and what has India able to do about it despite having a way larger military and economy?

 

[Local.Dada]

How did they close out the Kashmir issue unless you are admitting that there is no such thing as “POK”? Don’t your PM and every major politician claim that Azad Kashmir and Gilgit are your “atoot ang” ? Pakistan has held those areas for over 70 years and what has India able to do about it despite having a way larger military and economy?

Of course. There is a saying charity begins at home. For many years this Kashmir autonomy and article 370 was a hindrance. Jammu is a Hindu dominated area and a pilgrimage center for Hindus and Ladakh was a Buddhist area. There were some voices in a few districts in Kashmir. So first India did was separate the 3. 2/3 issues automatically closed.

This isn't the WWE or whatever that you randomly start fighting to entertain the fans. There is diplomacy, strategy etc involved in any decision. There is a reason Modi govt didn't make this decision overnight in 2014 when they got elected.

There is a saying in my mother tongue which translates to, 'To see if the rice is cooked or not, you can tell by feeling one grain of the rice instead of putting your hand in the entire cooker".

There is a reason why the Kashmiri decision was taken at that time. Like it or not, Modi is not all talk, he is a man with a plan and does what he says. Now sure will some not translate to his vision, sure, every one makes such decisions but there is no haste, there is calmness and more importantly a "plan. Let us stay tuned.

Personally don't want war because innocent lives will be lost,property damaged and even the common civilians will get affected so hope there is a logical and rational solution to it.

I have pointed this out before, may be I am over simplifying this because I am clearly not a diplomat or a politician but personally I think India keeps Jammu and Ladakh and exchange these 2-3 districts with Pakistan for say Kartarpur and equivalent land/money or whatever barter they make. Then These districts of Kashmir along with "Azad" Kashmir can be Pakistan's headache if they want to give them freedom or do whatever because they seem to really love these folk.

 

[El Generico]

Of course. There is a saying charity begins at home. For many years this Kashmir autonomy and article 370 was a hindrance. Jammu is a Hindu dominated area and a pilgrimage center for Hindus and Ladakh was a Buddhist area. There were some voices in a few districts in Kashmir. So first India did was separate the 3. 2/3 issues automatically closed.

This isn't the WWE or whatever that you randomly start fighting to entertain the fans. There is diplomacy, strategy etc involved in any decision. There is a reason Modi govt didn't make this decision overnight in 2014 when they got elected.

There is a saying in my mother tongue which translates to, 'To see if the rice is cooked or not, you can tell by feeling one grain of the rice instead of putting your hand in the entire cooker".

There is a reason why the Kashmiri decision was taken at that time. Like it or not, Modi is not all talk, he is a man with a plan and does what he says. Now sure will some not translate to his vision, sure, every one makes such decisions but there is no haste, there is calmness and more importantly a "plan. Let us stay tuned.

Personally don't want war because innocent lives will be lost,property damaged and even the common civilians will get affected so hope there is a logical and rational solution to it.

I have pointed this out before, may be I am over simplifying this because I am clearly not a diplomat or a politician but personally I think India keeps Jammu and Ladakh and exchange these 2-3 districts with Pakistan for say Kartarpur and equivalent land/money or whatever barter they make. Then These districts of Kashmir along with "Azad" Kashmir can be Pakistan's headache if they want to give them freedom or do whatever because they seem to really love these folk.

it may be an oversimplification but it doesn’t sound too bad tbh. IMO no side is taking over any territory from the other without a major war which can likely escalate to a nuclear one. So it’s best to solve the issue with talks/compromise but that seems unlikely.

 

[sshakir411]

Indians have a habit of being over sensitive. All he said was the pilot was a chick and not a chicken (aka baby) and that we gave him chai and sent him back. I don’t understand why bhajji and yuvi got so triggered? Probably because they got too much shi* for supporting lala and then the above comments just amplified it.

Fact is bhajji and yuvi were already in hot water for supporting Lala before he made these comments. Indians today are anti-pakistan and it doesn’t matter what it’s related to.

 

[pillionrider]

Like it or not, Modi is not all talk, he is a man with a plan and does what he says. Now sure will some not translate to his vision, sure, every one makes such decisions but there is no haste, there is calmness and more importantly a "plan.

In my mother tongue there is a saying:
Fool is a fool is a fool is a fool.

 

[Bigboii]

Personally don't want war because innocent lives will be lost,property damaged and even the common civilians will get affected so hope there is a logical and rational solution to it.

I have pointed this out before, may be I am over simplifying this because I am clearly not a diplomat or a politician but personally I think India keeps Jammu and Ladakh and exchange these 2-3 districts with Pakistan for say Kartarpur and equivalent land/money or whatever barter they make. Then These districts of Kashmir along with "Azad" Kashmir can be Pakistan's headache if they want to give them freedom or do whatever because they seem to really love these folk.

Wow one of the few smart thing you have posted in a while know

It makes perfect sense not all of kashmir is suffering just couple of districts and a couple Sikh districts can be exchanged and if these people from both sides don't want to move they can get new citizenships and our government can allocate thier lands somewhere else in Punjab yes make sense

 

[chazam]

As always trying to divert the topic at hand by bringing in China and others.

the topic is human rights. of muslims... there is an very bad situation going on in China where people are re-educated
to learn a new culture. How is it not related to what Pakistanis always harp about.. the rights of muslims.
I am Indian Muslim, and I have full rights and no one is forcing me to re-educate and leave Islam.
Off course there are issues about Islamophobia like any other place in the world.. but so is with other minorities.
Even within Muslims we fight amongst each other and kill eacher, shias, sunnis,hazaras.
Treatment of Ahmadis is well documented.
So if Pakistan and Afridi are savior of muslims, please speak against China as well.

 

[chazam]

A counter question: Jinnah’s shift from a desire for India to remain whole, to a desire for a separate country, is that taught in India? The reasons for this drastic shift in ideology?

Actually both men(Nehru and Jinnah) are held equally responsible at least in Indian Punjab textbooks.
If one of them was ready to give in to his wishes of power, the bloody partition would not have happened...may be. But i guess seeds of distrust were always there.. The British fanned them further.
And Jinnahs ideology shifted with support for a Muslim homeland. Gandhi also to a certain extent as well, he could not reign in both men and come to a compromise.
To be honest, of all the freedom fighters, Bhagat Singh is revered the most.

 

[Asifnow]

Well if you keep pushing this empty rhetoric, then I too get inclined to ask questions like where's the "DoosraBanda" and why in a matter of few hours the count went from 3 , 2 and then finally to "just 1 guy in our custody".... You get the point.

Don't expect an answer from me if you insist on doing that...

You can't answer a question with another questions. I asked a very simple question, can you answer it? Once you do, I am more than happy to answer your questions

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Actually both men(Nehru and Jinnah) are held equally responsible at least in Indian Punjab textbooks.
If one of them was ready to give in to his wishes of power, the bloody partition would not have happened...may be. But i guess seeds of distrust were always there.. The British fanned them further.
And Jinnahs ideology shifted with support for a Muslim homeland. Gandhi also to a certain extent as well, he could not reign in both men and come to a compromise.
To be honest, of all the freedom fighters, Bhagat Singh is revered the most.

Seems a horribly negative outlook on both men. Which is not a neutral summary of the situation. I am genuinely surprised.

 

[MenInG]

Just a quick note

When referring to the founder of our nation, please use the term Mr. Jinnah.

Thanks

 

[CricketCartoons]

I am Indian Muslim, and I have full rights and no one is forcing me to re-educate and leave Islam.
Off course there are issues about Islamophobia like any other place in the world.. but so is with other minorities.

I believe you when you say you are an indian muslim.

 

[Local.Dada]

I am going to tread a sensitive path but let’s look at all the big leaders from the subcontinent

Nehru family, Mr.Jinnah, Imran Khan, Nawaz Sharif,Bhutto family.

Can someone seriously tell me how much actual understanding do you think these people have of the common people problems. All these guys are from privileged backgrounds and educated abroad and hung around with western society be it fellow desis or foreigners.

There are some rich folk in the USA who don’t even know what Walmart sells or won’t buy things in clearance because they think clearance is the same thing as used.

I am not saying if you rich you can’t be a leader or a politician but there has to be some ground level understanding of what happens in the day to day life of the common folk or even the lowest common denominator in the society. I am sure some of them have worked to understand the pulse but sometimes I wonder if their definition of poverty is more of their own perception and stereotype than the ground reality.

 

[MenInG]

Seems Afridi has spoken again about Modi

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[Major]

I am going to tread a sensitive path but let’s look at all the big leaders from the subcontinent

Nehru family, Mr.Jinnah, Imran Khan, Nawaz Sharif,Bhutto family.

Can someone seriously tell me how much actual understanding do you think these people have of the common people problems. All these guys are from privileged backgrounds and educated abroad and hung around with western society be it fellow desis or foreigners.

There are some rich folk in the USA who don’t even know what Walmart sells or won’t buy things in clearance because they think clearance is the same thing as used.

I am not saying if you rich you can’t be a leader or a politician but there has to be some ground level understanding of what happens in the day to day life of the common folk or even the lowest common denominator in the society. I am sure some of them have worked to understand the pulse but sometimes I wonder if their definition of poverty is more of their own perception and stereotype than the ground reality.

I understand your point, but you have to look at the gap between rich and poor.

During Jinnahs time the gap between rich and poor wasn't much, thus the rich had a better understanding of the poor. The likes of Jinnah did not have private housing societies. They came from villiages and were educated in the same schools as the poor. Govt school helps in eliminating this gap.

Infact even during Zullfiqar Ali Bhutto, that gap wasnt much as he aswell studied in those same schools that everyone else did. Even the likes of Nawaz, Zardari, Benazir they went to these schools that were there for everyone.

The gap started to rise by massive amounts during the early 90s. Now here is the interesting thing.

Someone like Hamza Shareef, who has grown up with the locals does not care about the problems of the poor and someone like Bilalwal who has never seen poverty and had a shielded life also doesnt know or care much about the problems of the poor.

I am still learning politic and governance, and my assumption is that leaders dont really need to care about these micro level problems as in a democratic set up its the local MNAs that are required to look after such issues. At executive level you are required to look at problems related with the country as of whole. I could be wrong though.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Seems Afridi has spoken again about Modi

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Did he say anything wrong? This is the same thing some indian members proudly accept here that BCCI don't want to benefit Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

Seems Afridi has spoken again about Modi

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Shahid Afridi:

"Ever since Modi has come to power you can’t expect anything from him in Pakistan’s favour. As simple as that. "History speaks for itself. Earlier when BJP was in power, we had pretty good relationships with the previous prime ministers,"

"I am only talking about Modi. I have no expectations from him whatsoever. He will only harm us, I don’t see him doing anything in our (Pakistan’s) favour,"

 

[NishanKonar]

I understand your point, but you have to look at the gap between rich and poor.

During Jinnahs time the gap between rich and poor wasn't much, thus the rich had a better understanding of the poor. The likes of Jinnah did not have private housing societies. They came from villiages and were educated in the same schools as the poor. Govt school helps in eliminating this gap.

Infact even during Zullfiqar Ali Bhutto, that gap wasnt much as he aswell studied in those same schools that everyone else did. Even the likes of Nawaz, Zardari, Benazir they went to these schools that were there for everyone.

The gap started to rise by massive amounts during the early 90s. Now here is the interesting thing.

Someone like Hamza Shareef, who has grown up with the locals does not care about the problems of the poor and someone like Bilalwal who has never seen poverty and had a shielded life also doesnt know or care much about the problems of the poor.

I am still learning politic and governance, and my assumption is that leaders dont really need to care about these micro level problems as in a democratic set up its the local MNAs that are required to look after such issues. At executive level you are required to look at problems related with the country as of whole. I could be wrong though.

I hope you come down to Mumbai and see Jinnah's mansion. Its like a royal palace

Jinnah's father was a wealthy textile merchant and he grew up in posh area of Karachi. If any parent could send his child to study in UK ( Nehru / Jinnah / Gandhi ) in the 19th century - were definitely elite and wealthy