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What happens to Jews of Israel (Palestine) if Palestine wins the war against Israel?

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I have this question because while I am in complete support of Palestine, I don't know what would happen to the Jews of that area if Palestine wins the war? Will they be given shelter in the West or what because, to be honest after seeing the treatment of non-Muslims in the majority of the Arab countries and Muslim countries, I don't think they can co-exist with Muslims in the country.
 
That's why a 2 state solution is better.
 
Muslims will never accept jews, you just need to look at the state of minorities in pakistan, eofcourse they could be displaced in europe or usa and they will be back to square one, where they were before israel
 
Muslims will never accept jews, you just need to look at the state of minorities in pakistan, eofcourse they could be displaced in europe or usa and they will be back to square one, where they were before israel

Then how is it going to be different from what is happening with Palestinians right now?
 
That's why a 2 state solution is better.

Two state solution only justifies the occupation of Palestinian land. People need to remember that Israel got its present land from the Nakba - the displacement and dispossession of Palestinians from their land, without a right of return for those people and redistribution of the land there can be no justice.
 
Muslims will never accept jews, you just need to look at the state of minorities in pakistan, eofcourse they could be displaced in europe or usa and they will be back to square one, where they were before israel

Fyi Christians Jews and Muslims lived relatively peacefully for centuries in the middle east

Palestinian christians and Muslims still do despite their differences That is until the radical zionists came along with their hate and terror

Itd be a democratic countey Not a radical aparthied like israel
 
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Fyi Christians Jews and Muslims lived relatively peacefully for centuries in the middle east

Palestinian christians and Muslims still do despite their differences That is until the radical zionists came along with their hate and terror

Itd be a democratic countey Not a radical aparthied like israel

In which country did Jews and Muslims live peacefully other than the Western countries which are basically irreligious and multicultural countries? The ideology of Zionism came into being because Jews in countries like Egypt, Morocco and Yemen used to face discrimination and harassment by Muslims and Christians.
 
The head spokesperson for their police is clearly from South Africa.

A large proportion of Israelis are European and American.
Maybe they can all go back home?
 
We live in a realist world. Palestinians will be better off protesting against Hamas rather than Israel.

Work with Israel to reach a solution by accepting the bitter reality that it is the stronger party. Put the onus on them - put the ball in their court.

Japan was nuked by the U.S. 76 years ago. Today, Japanese automakers control over 40 percent of the market share in the U.S.

Muslim states will continue to crumble to greater powers not because of illegal encroachment and settlements, but because of a lack of progress in science, technology, and business.

But of course, there is a better chance of man colonizing Mars in the next 50 years than theocracies embracing modern development.
 
In which country did Jews and Muslims live peacefully other than the Western countries which are basically irreligious and multicultural countries? The ideology of Zionism came into being because Jews in countries like Egypt, Morocco and Yemen used to face discrimination and harassment by Muslims and Christians.

Lol hilarious Its the white european christians that nearly exterminated the jews of this world and treated them like dirt during the 1930s and 1940s and even before

Muslims never killed 5m jews in concentration camps

Do some read up on the subject before spouting rubbish
 
Lol hilarious Its the white european christians that nearly exterminated the jews of this world and treated them like dirt during the 1930s and 1940s and even before

Muslims never killed 5m jews in concentration camps

Do some read up on the subject before spouting rubbish

I am not talking about the Holocaust but you just need to stroll for a minute in Pakistan to know what they think about Jews. The same could be said about most of the other Muslim countries. Muslims are the ones who keep on name dropping the world Kafirs on non-Muslims as if they care about it.
 
Two state solution only justifies the occupation of Palestinian land. People need to remember that Israel got its present land from the Nakba - the displacement and dispossession of Palestinians from their land, without a right of return for those people and redistribution of the land there can be no justice.
I dont think you can just kick out the israelis aswell.

Purpose of dividing the land was so that Ottoman Empire bare the of WW1 loss and had Britain conquering over it.
 
Fyi Christians Jews and Muslims lived relatively peacefully for centuries in the middle east

Palestinian christians and Muslims still do despite their differences That is until the radical zionists came along with their hate and terror

Itd be a democratic countey Not a radical aparthied like israel

FYI, Christians and jews also live in muslim countries today, HAVE YOU SEEN THERE CONDITION?

Do you know there are plently of jews in Iran, who live diguised as muslims otherwise they would be killed?

democracy has never mixed well with islam, its like oil and water, just doesnt mix.
 
I am not talking about the Holocaust but you just need to stroll for a minute in Pakistan to know what they think about Jews. The same could be said about most of the other Muslim countries. Muslims are the ones who keep on name dropping the world Kafirs on non-Muslims as if they care about it.

Why arent u talking about the holocaust

Why are you talking about muslims? Its the white europeans that nearly wiped them out isnt it?
Or is that a inconvenient truth you cant face
 
I dont think you can just kick out the israelis aswell.

Purpose of dividing the land was so that Ottoman Empire bare the of WW1 loss and had Britain conquering over it.

No ones kicking them, they can stay on as Palestinian citizens just like there were Jews and Christians living in historical Palestine during the Ottomans.
 
I don’t think Israel has anything against Muslims otherwise they would not have plenty of Muslims in their football team and in important posts of the government. They have issues with Palestinians which stems from god knows how long.

Jews can’t even visit their most holy site in Jerusalem except for one day and even then only the chief Rabbi is allowed to visit that place.
 
Why arent u talking about the holocaust

Why are you talking about muslims? Its the white europeans that nearly wiped them out isnt it?
Or is that a inconvenient truth you cant face

Everyone is aware of europes imperialism and colonialism, so i dont know where your going with that.

Because today theres a difference, the europeans have learnt their lessons, they have detached themselves from their crusaders and barbarianisms.

Today you can go to major European capital and pray namaz on any footpath and not be arrested.

The difference in the muslim world is, that our mosques and even schools still romatize over barbarians like salahid, bin qasim, gaznavi.
Even Pakistans nuclear program is named after a barbarian who oppressed hindus.

We still havnt learnt any from history and still live in medievil times, while the europeans moved on.
 
Two state solution only justifies the occupation of Palestinian land. People need to remember that Israel got its present land from the Nakba - the displacement and dispossession of Palestinians from their land, without a right of return for those people and redistribution of the land there can be no justice.

That would certainly be what is just and right but practical realities have to be taken into account as well. Israel is a reality that is not going anywhere anytime soon.

The Palestinians will lose whatever little is remaining of their homeland if this continues. The West wont stop Israel and the Arab/Islamic world has not only turned its back on Palestine several times but has also indulged in killing Palestinian civilians. A 2 state solution is still not beyond hope. Israel has to be forced to come to negotiating table and an international border has to be drawn.
 
Palestinians will never let Jews live in their lands. They will get slaughtered.
 
No ones kicking them, they can stay on as Palestinian citizens just like there were Jews and Christians living in historical Palestine during the Ottomans.

again, you cant just kick out israeli's and you cant just go back and revert things.

Alot of times what many people miss out in the israel-palestine discussion is the mistakes made by the Ottoman Empire. They got involved in WW1, they caused all this problem.

And like any war, the loser is required to take responsibility and his land is divided up and owned by the winning countries (Britain) who could do whatevery they want with. THats what Britain did by giving it to the Jews.

So you can't just decide to kick Israelis out or finish the country of Israel. For that to happen you either have to travel in a Time Machine and change history OR a muslim country needs to become a World Power that could win a war against Israel and get to dictate foreign policy on them and not have any other country intervene.

Even if Palestine wins the war, they dont have muscle to dictate nor does any other muslim country.

USA will intervene and if not USA than countries like China can also intervene as existing trade links are with Israel, not Palestine.
 
Everyone is aware of europes imperialism and colonialism, so i dont know where your going with that.

Because today theres a difference, the europeans have learnt their lessons, they have detached themselves from their crusaders and barbarianisms.

Today you can go to major European capital and pray namaz on any footpath and not be arrested.

The difference in the muslim world is, that our mosques and even schools still romatize over barbarians like salahid, bin qasim, gaznavi.
Even Pakistans nuclear program is named after a barbarian who oppressed hindus.

We still havnt learnt any from history and still live in medievil times, while the europeans moved on.

Do you mean Salahuddin? Why do you have his quote in your signature if he is a barbarian? Also can you explain what he did that made him barbaric?
 
Why arent u talking about the holocaust

Why are you talking about muslims? Its the white europeans that nearly wiped them out isnt it?
Or is that a inconvenient truth you cant face
Lol yeah I like how he is trying to make it seem like some random uncles saying anti-Jew stuff in Pakistan is worse than the Holocaust.
 
Why arent u talking about the holocaust

Why are you talking about muslims? Its the white europeans that nearly wiped them out isnt it?
Or is that a inconvenient truth you cant face

As mentioned by some other poster, West made mistakes and they acknowledged it and now they take in refugees from war torn countries regardless of their religion. Now you can pray freely in those countries without getting arrested but if you try the same in a Muslim country such as Pakistan, you would be booked for blasphemy which is basically a death warrant. MENA Christians continue to get oppressed by Muslims and less said about the Jews the better. Even those who are still left there, fake as Muslims to stay safe.

There is a huge percentage of Muslim population which is anti Semitic and it would make it difficult for Jews to live peacefully in Palestine.
 
Jews have lived under Muslim rule in peace and freedom for over a 1000 years.

However all adult Israelis have become enemies as they must be part of the IDF , an occupying force. For this reason they should face justice.

Others who want to leave , go back to Germany or other parts of the world they come from, can do so.

The settler state is a temporary entity, even the Jews know this.
 
Jews have lived under Muslim rule in peace and freedom for over a 1000 years.

However all adult Israelis have become enemies as they must be part of the IDF , an occupying force. For this reason they should face justice.

Others who want to leave , go back to Germany or other parts of the world they come from, can do so.

The settler state is a temporary entity, even the Jews know this.

Under which rule did they live peacefully?
 
Do you mean Salahuddin? Why do you have his quote in your signature if he is a barbarian? Also can you explain what he did that made him barbaric?

My quote is intended for those people who are pakistanis and start spreading hate against there own army.


btw. im not arguing for any sides here, im just saying all 3 sides (jews, christians, muslims) outdid each other every time they came to power and tried to conquer the other.

The only difference is its only the christians who have moved on and condemed there own history, while jews and muslims are still stuck in the past.
 
As mentioned by some other poster, West made mistakes and they acknowledged it and now they take in refugees from war torn countries regardless of their religion. Now you can pray freely in those countries without getting arrested but if you try the same in a Muslim country such as Pakistan, you would be booked for blasphemy which is basically a death warrant. MENA Christians continue to get oppressed by Muslims and less said about the Jews the better. Even those who are still left there, fake as Muslims to stay safe.

There is a huge percentage of Muslim population which is anti Semitic and it would make it difficult for Jews to live peacefully in Palestine.

Its the zionist jews killing palestinians taking over their land terrorising them but its the muslims who are anti semetic?

Europe and america is much more anti semetic Yes the west themselves may not be on paper but read the news on facism rising in europe and the regular attacks on jews in europe today All the hallmarks of what was happening at the beginning of the 1900s

The palestinians have paid for the west mistakes who basically washed their hands of the jewish issue on someone else So much for acknowledging their mistakes

Thankyou for your warped version of fact and fiction
 
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Didn't the Jews live in Palestine before the British Mandate and then the creation of Israel.

A handful I believe they made up a few percent of the population before the british The rest were then shipped in from europe and still are to this day
 
Wishful thinking. Palestines will never win the war against Israel, not till Israel has such powerful backers.
 
My quote is intended for those people who are pakistanis and start spreading hate against there own army.


btw. im not arguing for any sides here, im just saying all 3 sides (jews, christians, muslims) outdid each other every time they came to power and tried to conquer the other.

The only difference is its only the christians who have moved on and condemed there own history, while jews and muslims are still stuck in the past.


Have they moved on though? Didn’t Bush call the Iraq war a crusade? It didn’t seem like he condemned his history at all but was proud and eager to repeat it.

Trump and his administration also cited religious reasons for moving the US embassy to Jerusalem.

At least right wing Americans are still pretty hung up on their religious history.
 
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Logical fallacy! Anti Semite sentiments donot translate into apartheid and genocide!!

Muslims living in US and Europe know that significant portions of local population there have islamophobia. It is infused in culture and doesn’t depend on whether you are conscious Christian or not. Even woke liberals have plenty of islamophobic stereotypes. But we know that it has not translated into persecution. Even after 9/11 the most we saw was systemic targeting of Muslims by homeland security, FBI etc but even that has stopped now.

We have at least data sample of about 1400 years of history of Muslims and there have been numerous instances for Jews to be present in significant numbers in Muslim lands. Throughout that history there is no example of the kind of apartheid , blockades and genocide that Israel is carrying on today.
 
The Jews should be allowed to live in the Palestine. Then again i feel they will be forced out by the Palestinians back to Europe after how much cruelty they have suffered. Palestinian Muslim's will want revenge for years of oppression. The question really is what happens to the orthodox Christians of the region?
 
This is why slogans like ‘Free Palestine’ are loaded...what does it mean...

You have some of course who say two states...but I’d say more commonplace is the idea of getting everything back...it’s certainly the public aims of those who have arms...

So what does happen to those who live there, were born there etc?...one of the common responses is they can go back to where they came from?...for many that is where they are from...and over half of them are Mizrahi (Middle Eastern)...so these 3rd/4th generation Iraqi’s are going ‘back’ to Iraq?...what if they are a mixture of things?...Baghdad was 25% Jewish not that long ago...this notion that Israelis are predominantly European doesn’t fit with reality...what if your ancestry is half from Ottoman Palestine and half Greek...can you stay or do you have to leave?...

On the more extreme end there is the wipe them out contingent...I mean you even have guys saying they are all legitimate targets for example...

Then the more reasonable ‘they can be citizens’...but go back to being second class citizens...the argument of Muslims and Jews having lived in peace in history is true...what is not true is that they were equals...Jews were always second class citizens but accepted their lot throughout history...and especially with the growth of nationalisms their situations became more precarious...

It’s perfectly understandable why the Palestinians want to have rule...in light of the above though it is also perfectly understandable why the Israeli’s want to cling on to power...considering the consequences of losing it...

The problem for some making absolutist moral arguments is they wouldn’t be making the same arguments if today’s situation was reversed...the lefties would cos essentially they love an underdog...but for others it’s basically a case of my side is losing so that’s why I’m angry...the outrage is less about what but about who...

One elephant in the room that often doesn’t get mentioned is the majority of Israeli Arabs who are something like 20% of Israel would prefer to keep Israeli citizenship to joining a Palestinian state...legitimate targets too I guess ;) ...
 
What happens to Jews if Palestine wins the war against Israel?

A big what if scenario and a very rhetorical question. Not gonna happen. The conflict will not get resolved .

But since we are talking about a scenario, so, If in the minutest remotest possibility that Palestine wins the war against Israel,
most likely scenario would be a power vaccum and a mad scramble from various Islamist powers amid heavy infighting and even more disorder and pain for the poor Palestinians.

My understanding is that any attempt to win by force is going to backfire miserably. Even if there is any victory, it will be hollow and temporary and soon devolve to infighting and further unrest. I have read about what happened in Libya, Tunisia and Syria and have first hand info from my time spent working in Algeria and Iraq (2012 to 2014). There are too many factions and infighting is far worse than lets say when Saddam or when Americans/Brits were in control. "At least there was an order before" is a common refrain that I heard so many times dealing with local businesses there. The only focus for the locals there is to move out of the area somehow and try to rebuild their lives.

The ensuing violence (after the victory) will not help the west as they will have to bear the brunt of refugees. Arab states and Pakistan may not support anymore as the Palestinians will have been in charge of their affairs now and the neutral nations will distance themselves from the newly formed state.

There will be insurgency from the Arab Israelis, and you know they will have bigger rockets than what the Hamas have now and in a matter of an year or two, the new state will be lost again and we all are back to square one.



Speaking (not an expert here) from a neutral standpoint, only way is for Palestine will be to become legitimate by avoiding military conflict. Build up strength economically and politically and find a way to live peacefully. Arms and ammunition have not worked so far and will not work in the future too.

Easier said than done.
That is why I said the conflict will not get resolved.
 
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again, you cant just kick out israeli's and you cant just go back and revert things.

Alot of times what many people miss out in the israel-palestine discussion is the mistakes made by the Ottoman Empire. They got involved in WW1, they caused all this problem.

And like any war, the loser is required to take responsibility and his land is divided up and owned by the winning countries (Britain) who could do whatevery they want with. THats what Britain did by giving it to the Jews.

So you can't just decide to kick Israelis out or finish the country of Israel. For that to happen you either have to travel in a Time Machine and change history OR a muslim country needs to become a World Power that could win a war against Israel and get to dictate foreign policy on them and not have any other country intervene.

Even if Palestine wins the war, they dont have muscle to dictate nor does any other muslim country.

USA will intervene and if not USA than countries like China can also intervene as existing trade links are with Israel, not Palestine.

I already said, no ones kicking them out. They stay as Palestinian citizens, Palestinians are all for creating a pluralistic egalitarian country and not an apartheid state like isr*el
 
This has probably been asked before, but how did Palestine allow outsiders to trample all over their land in the first place? It wasn't colonization which could be understandable in one sense, but basically an overnight takeover.

If they had the gumption to resist and play hardball with the protagonists back then, they wouldn't be in the soup they are in today, friendless and nearly landless.
 
I already said, no ones kicking them out. They stay as Palestinian citizens, Palestinians are all for creating a pluralistic egalitarian country and not an apartheid state like isr*el

Did you take into account the Hamas charter:

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and

kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the

rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind

me, come and kill him.'
 
This has probably been asked before, but how did Palestine allow outsiders to trample all over their land in the first place? It wasn't colonization which could be understandable in one sense, but basically an overnight takeover.

If they had the gumption to resist and play hardball with the protagonists back then, they wouldn't be in the soup they are in today, friendless and nearly landless.

They didn't really have the choice. Palestine couldn't go against the UK and US who were backing Israel. I'm pretty sure this all started with the British instituting the White Paper, but I could be wrong.
 
Did you take into account the Hamas charter:

They got that from a hadith, as well. I very much dislike Hamas, but I also think that it makes sense for an extremist party to form when you're being genocided? It's a bad situation all around, and I would love nothing more for the extremist Zionists and Hamas to disappear from this world, but it will be difficult for that to happen during current circumstances.
 
again, you cant just kick out israeli's and you cant just go back and revert things.

Alot of times what many people miss out in the israel-palestine discussion is the mistakes made by the Ottoman Empire. They got involved in WW1, they caused all this problem.

And like any war, the loser is required to take responsibility and his land is divided up and owned by the winning countries (Britain) who could do whatevery they want with. THats what Britain did by giving it to the Jews.

So you can't just decide to kick Israelis out or finish the country of Israel. For that to happen you either have to travel in a Time Machine and change history OR a muslim country needs to become a World Power that could win a war against Israel and get to dictate foreign policy on them and not have any other country intervene.

Even if Palestine wins the war, they dont have muscle to dictate nor does any other muslim country.

USA will intervene and if not USA than countries like China can also intervene as existing trade links are with Israel, not Palestine.

Why are the Ottomans to blame? Yes they had their faults but wasn't it the Arabs (of modern day Saudi) who were responsible for the mess because firstly, they sold themselves to the British which gave Zionists a foot in the door that they needed to occupy Palestine.

Secondly, it was the same Arabs who revolted against the Ottomans. This allowed the Zionists to control Palestine.
 
Why are the Ottomans to blame? Yes they had their faults but wasn't it the Arabs (of modern day Saudi) who were responsible for the mess because firstly, they sold themselves to the British which gave Zionists a foot in the door that they needed to occupy Palestine.

Secondly, it was the same Arabs who revolted against the Ottomans. This allowed the Zionists to control Palestine.

ottoman empire's involvement in ww1. It was not needed. WHen you lose a war, the winning country or forces will break you up and own you.

In treaty of Sevres, Ottoman Empire was broken up becuase they were the losers of the war and the winning country will try to make you weak by breaking you up.

They were broken up and some countries came under the mandate of Britain and France. After that they could could give land to whomever they want

Ottoman Empire's invovlement in ww1 is where this started
 
I have this question because while I am in complete support of Palestine, I don't know what would happen to the Jews of that area if Palestine wins the war? Will they be given shelter in the West or what because, to be honest after seeing the treatment of non-Muslims in the majority of the Arab countries and Muslim countries, I don't think they can co-exist with Muslims in the country.
Which jews?

If you are talking about native jews then they would be fine. There will be anger against them for why they did not do enough to stop Israelis atrocities against Palestinians but ultimately Palestinians realized that native jews were not much involved in those atrocities.

If you are talking about non-native jews then they will definitely feel the wrath of Palestinians. Those bunch (non-native jews) have committed some of the most heinous crimes ever so its up to Palestinians to decide what they want to do.
 
Israel is way too heavily backed by all the big dogs of the world, it makes it unlikely Israel would lose(till the Mahdi and Jesus return as per Islamic belief).

I still can't figure out as to why all the first world countries and the leaders of the world treat Israel like royalty and keep aiding them at every possible moment like a spoilt baby. Like what does Israel have that US, UK, Canada, Australia, France, Italy etc etc are always keeping their hands on its shoulders.

I can't see Palestine winning the war unless other Muslim countries start sending armies to the area resulting in sort of a world war, or the Islamic prophecy about the end times comes in to the fold this early (My gut tells me that the arrival of Mahdi and Jesus is not going to happen this soon and the world is need to take an even bigger paradigm shift before that happens but who am i to say that)
 
ottoman empire's involvement in ww1. It was not needed. WHen you lose a war, the winning country or forces will break you up and own you.

In treaty of Sevres, Ottoman Empire was broken up becuase they were the losers of the war and the winning country will try to make you weak by breaking you up.

They were broken up and some countries came under the mandate of Britain and France. After that they could could give land to whomever they want

Ottoman Empire's invovlement in ww1 is where this started

I agree the Ottoman’s shouldn’t have got involved in WW1.

BUT

The British and Zionists were unable to capture Palestine without the help of the Wahabis who revolted against the Ottomans.

Winston Churchill and the rest of the British always viewed the Ottomans as enemies, so I don’t think their involvement in WW1 can be the main driver behind the Zionist movement.
 
We live in a realist world. Palestinians will be better off protesting against Hamas rather than Israel.

Work with Israel to reach a solution by accepting the bitter reality that it is the stronger party. Put the onus on them - put the ball in their court.

Japan was nuked by the U.S. 76 years ago. Today, Japanese automakers control over 40 percent of the market share in the U.S.

Muslim states will continue to crumble to greater powers not because of illegal encroachment and settlements, but because of a lack of progress in science, technology, and business.

But of course, there is a better chance of man colonizing Mars in the next 50 years than theocracies embracing modern development.

How do you expect the Palestinians to work with those who cut of their water supply, destroy their crops, kill their loved ones, destroy their homes, kick them out of their land , control their movements, bomb their hospitals, shoot their medics from long range, infiltrate their mosques, and the list just goes on and on. You my guy have zero empathy.
 
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Did you take into account the Hamas charter:

You provided no link so can't verify if it's real. If it is real then it's really Israel's fault for radicalizing a population, by torturing and genociding them they've push them to the far right, that charter seems like it comes from a place of hurt and anger and wouldn't have existed if all the atrocities of the past 70+ years hadn't happened.
 
If Palestine win the war then the Jews could relocate to England, I think it would be a good result if the Jews went to England then we could all live in peace.
 
If Palestine win the war then the Jews could relocate to England, I think it would be a good result if the Jews went to England then we could all live in peace.

Why not Australia? Since the native Australians have suffered a similar fate to the Palestinians, I'm convinced the israelis (Zionists) would fit in nicely as Australia is vast .
 
Why not Australia? Since the native Australians have suffered a similar fate to the Palestinians, I'm convinced the israelis (Zionists) would fit in nicely as Australia is vast .

Well they could but I dont think they would want to, England would be the best place and most fitting, England have a good financial system and England did create this problem so its only fitting they become the solution.
 
In the unlikely scenario that this would take place they should be accommodated in a South Africa style scenario ( hopefully better).

The Jews that are born in Israel are innocent. They do not know anything but Israel and it would not be right to punish them for the crimes of their forefathers.
 
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