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What has been the difference between Mohammad Amir and Shaheen Afridi on this tour?

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All formats combined these 2 end up as the highest wicket takers for Pakistan and this was a comeback series for Amir as he was playing after 3-4 months break.

Mohammad Amir: 7 Matches 10 innings 17 Wickets Average 24.23

Shaheen Afridi: 8 Matches 10 innings 17 Wickets Average 25.23

People are praising Shaheen which he obviously deserves, but they are bashing Amir and want him dropped from the team, while he has been little better than him overall. What has been the difference between the two of them?
 
All formats combined these 2 end up as the highest wicket takers for Pakistan and this was a comeback series for Amir as he was playing after 3-4 months break.

Mohammad Amir: 7 Matches 10 innings 17 Wickets Average 24.23

Shaheen Afridi: 8 Matches 10 innings 17 Wickets Average 25.23

People are praising Shaheen which he obviously deserves, but they are bashing Amir and want him dropped from the team, while he has been little better than him overall. What has been the difference between the two of them?

The difference is, Amir can do nothing right for some of his haters here.

Which isn't a small club. Lots of haters.

Yet he continues to be our best bowler and leader of the attack. Class is permanent, though wait for all the funny reasons people are going to come up with to hate on Amir.
 
One is 18 years old and in his first year of international cricket. He should improve and get better.

The other has been around for a decade. Well, half...
 
One is 18 years old and in his first year of international cricket. He should improve and get better.

The other has been around for a decade. Well, half...

So that means we should expect Amir to pick up 5-fer every match?
 
So that means we should expect Amir to pick up 5-fer every match?

Yes.

Plus, how dare he become our best Test and T20 bowler, without becoming world's best in ODIs too?

What blasphemy.
 
So that means we should expect Amir to pick up 5-fer every match?

It's been three years since his comeback. He has one five-fer since then. Against WI, almost two years ago.

I am hopeful that Shaheen will do much better. In fact, Shaheen already has two four-fers in ODIs... That's more than Amir, whose sole four-fer came in 2009.
 
Yes.

Plus, how dare he become our best Test and T20 bowler, without becoming world's best in ODIs too?

What blasphemy.

Abbas is our best Test bowler.

Amir is very good in T20s, no doubt. Also decent in Tests.
 
It's been three years since his comeback. He has one five-fer since then. Against WI, almost two years ago.

I am hopeful that Shaheen will do much better. In fact, Shaheen already has two four-fers in ODIs... That's more than Amir, whose sole four-fer came in 2009.

Not many 5fers indeed.

But, Shinwari likely . has more 4/5 wicket hauls in the same time. :najam

That's not a metric one can rely on.
 
Abbas is our best Test bowler.

The one who went missing on bowling paradises of SA, as well as against NZ?

Nice. :najam

Counter his 120kph thunderbolts that don't outswing, and you have conquered Abbas.

Like NZ and SA did.
 
Shaheen is swinging the white ball.
Amir isn't.
Shaheen is performing beyond expectations. Amir isn't.
Shaheen has more pace than Amir.
People want Amir to stop being timid and be aggressive in the PP overs.
Shaheen was the Frontline bowler in the ODIs
Amir became a first change bowler.

Amir did well in tests and in the last T20. Shaheen did well in all formats
 
It's been three years since his comeback. He has one five-fer since then. Against WI, almost two years ago.

I am hopeful that Shaheen will do much better. In fact, Shaheen already has two four-fers in ODIs... That's more than Amir, whose sole four-fer came in 2009.

Shaheen is better than him in ODIs which is precisely not we are talking about, Amir is better than him in Tests and T20Is.
 
Not many 5fers indeed.

But, Shinwari likely . has more 4/5 wicket hauls in the same time. :najam

That's not a metric one can rely on.

Wow, a couple of posts about Amir and suddenly I am getting quoted left, right and center! :rosco

Have an exam later today, will join in once again time-permitting, insha'Allah. :najam
 
It's been three years since his comeback. He has one five-fer since then. Against WI, almost two years ago.

I am hopeful that Shaheen will do much better. In fact, Shaheen already has two four-fers in ODIs... That's more than Amir, whose sole four-fer came in 2009.

So going by that logic, Hasan last picked a 5-fer in 2017 and a 4-fer in 2016.
 
Wow, a couple of posts about Amir and suddenly I am getting quoted left, right and center! :rosco

Have an exam later today, will join in once again time-permitting, insha'Allah. :najam

Alright. :afridi

Exams are definitely more important. :najam
 
So going by that logic, Hasan last picked a 5-fer in 2017 and a 4-fer in 2016.

Hasan has also failed in all formats this series and for more than a year now, we shouldn't even talk about him now unless he starts to work on his bowling.
 
Tests: Abbas, Shaheen, Hasan, Mir Hamza | Amir (SENA only), Faheem (SENA only)

ODIs: Shaheen, Hasan, Junaid, Usman, Bashir/Musa/Arshad/Sameen

T20Is: Amir, Shaheen, Faheem, Rumman, Hasan/Sameen
 
Amir is good for away Tests, and T20s. Needs to stop playing ODIs. Will prolong his career and benefit the team as well.
 
The difference is, Amir can do nothing right for some of his haters here.

Which isn't a small club. Lots of haters.

Yet he continues to be our best bowler and leader of the attack. Class is permanent, though wait for all the funny reasons people are going to come up with to hate on Amir.

Class maybe permanent but the stark reality is that Amir is a tainted individual and in this rare occasion, the hate from some fans isn't for superfluous reasons.
 
Muhammad Amir frankly looks like a spent force at this very moment. The 2015 Amir was swinging the ball and still had decent pace but looked dodgy in terms of match fitness. Granted he wasn't setting the world at fire but he still looked a decent yet slightly unlucky bowler and it was said that he's been out of cricket for 05 years and it takes time to readjust.

We were however told he will go from strength to strength in terms of bowling but if you look at his general physique right now, it doesn't look like one of a proper fast bowler and he looks even less prepared as he was back in 2015. He was always wiry but if you look at the Karachi Kings kit thread, you will see that he has gained some weight and that too at all the wrong places.

There's also a case of sharp decline in his average speed. Even in the CT 17', he was able to bowl at 145 kph and more with relative ease and his fast arm action was making him difficult to pick. The runup was smoother, the jump higher and some semblance of seam and swing movement.

All of that feels a distant memory now. Here's a bowler who is bowling more and more like Mustafizur without Mustafizur's wrists and guile for the deadly cutter.

Shaheen, on the other hand, looks like a bowler who is interested in taking wickets in whatever form of cricket that he plays. He is not ready for test cricket yet and we shouldn't be playing him in T20 cricket but that's another matter. ODI's are his format now and that's what our management should focus on. He can play test cricket but he hasn't fully grown into his body as he's just 18 and UAE is a graveyard for fast bowlers and with our scant resources, there's no point burning him out on those remorseless pitches.

Shaheen pitches the bowl up, attacks both inside and outside edge of the bat, and is able to bounce out batsmen as well. He also seems to hit 140 kph mark more often and looks generally interested in the competition and enjoys playing cricket.

Amir isn't the thoroughbred that some of us thought he might be, he's now in need of serious motivation and game development. He is by far our best T20 bowler and should be the second name on the T20 team after Babar but overall his ODI and Test cricket fortunes have declined to a stage where it requires immediate remedial action.

He, however, is the only bowler from Pakistan that may have some psychological impact on certain players from other countries or is capable of bowling a downright brilliant spell every once in a blue moon. That makes him better than the likes of Shinwari, Raees, etc. but that isn't saying much.

Shaheen's star is on the rise and he may fulfill his talent, Amir's moment it seems, has come and gone (unless he really gets serious about it) and he'll probably be best remembered for not what he did on the field in terms of achievements, but for bowling a couple of no-balls.
 
Stas aren't everything, no doubt Shaheen Afridi has been better than Amir on this tour, but Amir was also good in Tests and T20I's. Overall I'd say Shaheen > Amir but Amir doesn't deserve all the hate he has been getting
 
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