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What is exactly going on with Babar Azam?

Stagnation happened when he first got captaincy. Stopped developing his game and focused too much on captaincy. A skill where he had little natural talent or experience.

The second stint ruined him mentally. Then you had a terrible decline. It’s the exact situation you had with Malik. Guy is a shadow of his former self.

Playing him through the bad form is like dragging him through the mud. Felt the same when we did the same thing with Malik, kept playing him hoping some day would snap out of it. Yet things just got worse and worse. It’s like extra humiliation for Babar.

Just no point. The guy needs a break from international cricket to get his head straight.
 
heddie19 said:
He did take you to final and semi final (undefeated) with the same SR. Respect please.
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No he didn't he failed in every group match in 2022...... The other players got Pakistan through then took the glory scoring a 50 chasing a below par score only to fail ever since as captain and player...... Seeing records for the worst strike and match losing innings aswell.
 
shah9425 said:
He was attention seeker that was his biggest problem during his playing days

Had so much talent but ruined it with his non serious attitude
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Umar Akmal is attention seeker, but from the above image, from the 2014 T20 WC. Akmal helped Pakistan recover from 25-2 to 191-5 against Australia, scoring 94(54) balls and leading Pakistan to a 16-run win.
That was a quality innings ,something Babar can only dream of in his entire T20 career.
 
ads101 said:
Stagnation happened when he first got captaincy. Stopped developing his game and focused too much on captaincy. A skill where he had little natural talent or experience.

The second stint ruined him mentally. Then you had a terrible decline. It’s the exact situation you had with Malik. Guy is a shadow of his former self.

Playing him through the bad form is like dragging him through the mud. Felt the same when we did the same thing with Malik, kept playing him hoping some day would snap out of it. Yet things just got worse and worse. It’s like extra humiliation for Babar.

Just no point. The guy needs a break from international cricket to get his head straight.
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Just stop it. No one is forcing him to play, he really thinks there is nothing wrong with his game.
Do you even know when he last played FC cricket?
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Umar Akmal is attention seeker, but from the above image, from the 2014 T20 WC. Akmal helped Pakistan recover from 25-2 to 191-5 against Australia, scoring 94(54) balls and leading Pakistan to a 16-run win.
That was a quality innings ,something Babar can only dream of in his entire T20 career.
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Truth wish he had proper attitude and temperament for longer career
 
pakistani pride said:
Just stop it. No one is forcing him to play, he really thinks there is nothing wrong with his game.
Do you even know when he last played FC cricket?
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No player is going to refuse a call up. At the end of the day its selectors and coach who pick a player.

Babar has shown no form not even in domestic.

It has nothing to do with what the player thinks of himself. It’s not his job to pick himself. Babar knows he’s failing.

I’m sure he probably wants to play. I am saying he shouldn’t. He will play first class if you drop him from internationals for a lengthy time. That’s the thing these international players they don’t feel the need to grind in domestic anymore after they become a name. Babar needs to do that for his own good.

It’s nothing to do with sympathy for him. Just saying he shouldn’t play. And picking a player in bad form is a massive blunder by selectors. You just don’t do that whether it’s Babar or anyone.
 
During BBL surely Hesson saw Babars struggling.... not sure how he expected better performance against the best international teams or was he selected based on experience only. Its better to lose selecting a younger player it must be pressure from other sources leading to Babars selection.
 
Mesozoic said:
Resect to brother @heddie19 for being a Lone Warrior for King Bobzy... Still heroically fighting an already lost battle.

:salute



Brother @Mobashir waved the white flag a long time ago.
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A battle is only lost when you admit that you're defeated. I hope Babar can think likewise too. He is only 31 and easily has 6-7 years in him. I really wish he hit the purple patch again.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Babar is under so much pressure that we will see him struggling in his strongest format, ODIs as well now... Just wait and watch.

These intent merchants have made a huge mess
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Poor babar. Does he not have any mental strength whatsoever to be pushed over by a few critics?

That alone is good enough reason to drop him if not ban him
 
ads101 said:
No player is going to refuse a call up. At the end of the day its selectors and coach who pick a player.

Babar has shown no form not even in domestic.

It has nothing to do with what the player thinks of himself. It’s not his job to pick himself. Babar knows he’s failing.

I’m sure he probably wants to play. I am saying he shouldn’t. He will play first class if you drop him from internationals for a lengthy time. hat’s the thing these international players they don’t feel the need to grind in domestic anymore after they become a name. Babar needs to do that for his own good.

It’s nothing to do with sympathy for him. Just saying he shouldn’t play. And picking a player in bad form is a massive blunder by selectors. You just don’t do that whether it’s Babar or anyone.
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Many top players understand that hard work is the minimum requirement for sustained success at the highest level. When you look at Babar today compared to three to five years ago, the difference in intensity and performance is noticeable. He no longer gives the same impression o sharpness or competitive mind that you expect from an professional athlete.

More importantly, his game does not appear to have evolved enough, especially against spin, which has been a known weakness for years. Great players actively work to eliminate such gaps, but there hasn’t been clear improvement in that area. There are several examples that suggest stagnation rather than growth, and at the highest level, there comes a point you will find it hard to succeed.
 
@Ahmed216 has been very active recently and cursing everyone who wanted Babar and Rizwan out.

For his sake I hope Babar plays tomorrow
 

An interesting post by a batting coach on instagram showing pictures of Babar Azam in 2021 and today showing the deterioration in his batting technique, positioning. In a nutshell he is saying the Babar of 2021 was a top handed player who played close to the body and Babar of today is not batting bottom handed and has ruined his technique, basics because of trying to focus on improving his power hitting.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Umar Akmal is attention seeker, but from the above image, from the 2014 T20 WC. Akmal helped Pakistan recover from 25-2 to 191-5 against Australia, scoring 94(54) balls and leading Pakistan to a 16-run win.
That was a quality innings ,something Babar can only dream of in his entire T20 career.
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His semifinal 2010 vs australia was even better.....he literally bashed johnson, dirk nannes and shaun tait like club bowlers
Even in 2012 his partnership with gul vs SA also was great innings...
 
shah9425 said:
Truth wish he had proper attitude and temperament for longer career
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Why he was benched in t20s after couple of failures, when current crop is getting match after match? He was beast t20 player and performed in big matches unless king, Queen and their wazirs
 
topspin said:
Even during Ramadhan, guys like him have found false messiahs like Babar. It wouldn't surprise me if his love for Babar exceeds his love for Pakistan cricket. If I was in his shoes, it would be for the greater good of all if he were to start a new forum called BabarPassion rather than stink up this place.
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Isn't it already somewhat akin to BabarPassion?? In last 2/3 years, all these newly appointed mods who are basically babar fanboys have turned this once great analytical site into a mere fandom graveyard. All of them in their early to mid 20's; have zero clue about 90's or even 00's Pak cricket, for them Babar (& likely other fraudstars Rizwan & Shaheen) are the greatest thing to ever happen to Pak.

With Saj & MenIng being barely active, Babarmanina has been running wilder around here moreso than peak Hulkamania years.

Mods being fan of certain mediocre overhyped players is definitely not a crime, but when they become obsessed that's when it becomes pathetic. Entire environment becomes polluted & messy.
 
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VForVendetta said:
Isn't it already somewhat akin to BabarPassion?? In last 2/3 years, all these newly appointed mods who are basically babar fanboys have turned this once great analytical site into a mere fandom graveyard. All of them in their early to mid 20's; have zero clue about 90's or even 00's Pak cricket, for them Babar (& likely other fraudstars Rizwan & Shaheen) are the greatest thing to ever happen to Pak.

With Saj & MenIng being barely active, Babarmanina has been running wilder around here moreso than peak Hulkamania years.

Mods being fan of certain mediocre overhyped players is definitely not a crime, but when they become obsessed that's when it becomes pathetic. Entire environment becomes polluted & messy.
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Couldn't agree more and it has sadly lowered the quality of this forum.
 
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I know I have taken alot of shots at him, but all kidding aside, as someone who does want the best for him, I think he should announce his retirement from T20I cricket.

He can still play an important role for Pakistan in ODIs and Tests - formats where his strengths are better suited. He should focus on that and how he can be that top-order batter that Pakistan need him to be. But T20 cricket has moved in such a different direction, and the format demands a certain tempo and intent that his game simply does not have.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I know I have taken alot of shots at him, but all kidding aside, as someone who does want the best for him, I think he should announce his retirement from T20I cricket.

He can still play an important role for Pakistan in ODIs and Tests - formats where his strengths are better suited. He should focus on that and how he can be that top-order batter that Pakistan need him to be. But T20 cricket has moved in such a different direction, and the format demands a certain tempo and intent that his game simply does not have.
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What will he do in TEST cricket, what has he ever done in TEST cricket? Why are his strength suited to TEST cricket?
 
pakistani pride said:
What will he do in TEST cricket, what has he ever done in TEST cricket? Why are his strength suited to TEST cricket?
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Them flat wickets that were created at home is the reason he averages 42.... Otherwise he's done in test cricket too the weakness against spinners has never been improved.
 
pakistani pride said:
What will he do in TEST cricket, what has he ever done in TEST cricket? Why are his strength suited to TEST cricket?
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Like I already said, he should work on his game in test and ODI cricket so he can be the top-order batsman that Pakistan want him to be.

Beggars can't be choosers. He is one of two players in the team who average over 40 in Test cricket. Test cricket is not T20 cricket where a young player can just come in and start scoring runs. You need experienced players in the team too.

In T20 cricket, even if he works on his game it won't make a difference because he does not have the ability to thrive in that format. He can still be a good player for Pakistan in the longer formats if he works on his weaknesses.
 
Cric1234 said:
Them flat wickets that were created at home is the reason he averages 42.... Otherwise he's done in test cricket too the weakness against spinners has never been improved.
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average of 42 is nothing special, in fact its below average in current standards. forget the average he never played a big knock in his whole career to actualy win big games, apart from perhaps a couple innings.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Like I already said, he should work on his game in test and ODI cricket so he can be the top-order batsman that Pakistan want him to be.

Beggars can't be choosers. He is one of two players in the team who average over 40 in Test cricket. Test cricket is not T20 cricket where a young player can just come in and start scoring runs. You need experienced players in the team too.

In T20 cricket, even if he works on his game it won't make a difference because he does not have the ability to thrive in that format. He can still be a good player for Pakistan in the longer formats if he works on his weaknesses.
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But what has he ever done in TEST cricket next to the fact that he played lots of them on road yet only has an average of 42 which by the way is going down quick.
 
Savak said:

An interesting post by a batting coach on instagram showing pictures of Babar Azam in 2021 and today showing the deterioration in his batting technique, positioning. In a nutshell he is saying the Babar of 2021 was a top handed player who played close to the body and Babar of today is not batting bottom handed and has ruined his technique, basics because of trying to focus on improving his power hitting.
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Should not have tried to develop power hitting with agriculture coaching. This is what happens when a talent like him goes to nothing like coaches to improve.

Babar should've gone to his idol AB de Villiers and consulted with him on what to do, who to hire in the world if he wanted to improve his power game.
 
pakistani pride said:
But what has he ever done in TEST cricket next to the fact that he played lots of them on road yet only has an average of 42 which by the way is going down quick.
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What has anyone else done? When you have a side as pathetic as the current Pakistan test side you have to be pragmatic and decide what your best team looks like. You are acting as if the side is filled with batters averaging over 50. He has atleast scored some runs in SENA. How many other players in the team can claim they have done the same?
 
again which runs he score in SENA resulted in wins? An average of 42 which will soon be below 40 is mediocre to say the least. With this mindset a team can never improve. Its not about the others, he is the so called king and great bat which is being hard done and should focus on TEST cricket. Yet his record is nothing special for the hype he gets. He is well over 30 and has 0 fitness awareness. If he was 1% serious about improving, he would have played FC cricket. You know when was the last time he played FC cricket?
 
RidiculousMan said:
Should not have tried to develop power hitting with agriculture coaching. This is what happens when a talent like him goes to nothing like coaches to improve.

Babar should've gone to his idol AB de Villiers and consulted with him on what to do, who to hire in the world if he wanted to improve his power game.
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Did so called power hitting also stop him from working on his fitness?
 
Mesozoic said:
Resect to brother @heddie19 for being a Lone Warrior for King Bobzy... Still heroically fighting an already lost battle.

:salute



Brother @Mobashir waved the white flag a long time ago.
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Could not agree more. Cowards like @Mobashir fled when going got tough, some left the forum, some lost interest, and the rest switched sides but @heddie19 kept on fighting for what he believes in. Nothing but respect from my side as well. :salute
 
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