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What is the reason for the resurgence of young fast bowlers from Pakistan?
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Sarfaraz Nawaz in a recent interview:
“If you look at Naseem Shah, he is injury-prone. But I think Shaheen Afridi will be more effective because he has the ability to scalp wickets with new balls, and he doesn’t rely on reverse swing. He can be the most successful Pakistan bowler now"
“If you look at Naseem Shah, he is injury-prone. But I think Shaheen Afridi will be more effective because he has the ability to scalp wickets with new balls, and he doesn’t rely on reverse swing. He can be the most successful Pakistan bowler now"
Thatd ridiculous naseem gets movements look at the practise match again austrlia but I agree he is injury prone
So your saying shinwari has gone backwards and shaheen has gone better am sure shaheen would take that
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Junaid Khan speaking about fast-bowlers in Pakistan:
PakPassion.net: Can you explain the reason for the rapid decline of Pakistani fast-bowlers in recent times?
Junaid Khan: There are a few reasons for the issues we have with the newer bowlers and foremost is their lack of experience to help them get through the initial phases of their career. This happens because the moment a youngster shows any promise, the selectors push away experienced bowlers in the false hope that they have found new stars. Understandably, youngsters become overconfident and start believing that they know whatever is needed to succeed and stop learning which is the beginning of the end for them. The other issue with the promotion of youngsters to the national side too quickly is that they seem to be fine when they are performing well and taking wickets, but the problems come when they are out of form. Without the experience of First-class cricket to bank upon which they could have drawn upon to lift themselves in tough times, they feel lost and that leads to their demise. We have youngsters in the Pakistan side who haven’t even played 50 First-class games and it’s understandable that such players fall by the wayside when confronted with a loss of form.
PakPassion.net: Can you explain the reason for the rapid decline of Pakistani fast-bowlers in recent times?
Junaid Khan: There are a few reasons for the issues we have with the newer bowlers and foremost is their lack of experience to help them get through the initial phases of their career. This happens because the moment a youngster shows any promise, the selectors push away experienced bowlers in the false hope that they have found new stars. Understandably, youngsters become overconfident and start believing that they know whatever is needed to succeed and stop learning which is the beginning of the end for them. The other issue with the promotion of youngsters to the national side too quickly is that they seem to be fine when they are performing well and taking wickets, but the problems come when they are out of form. Without the experience of First-class cricket to bank upon which they could have drawn upon to lift themselves in tough times, they feel lost and that leads to their demise. We have youngsters in the Pakistan side who haven’t even played 50 First-class games and it’s understandable that such players fall by the wayside when confronted with a loss of form.
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Mudassar Nazar explains why he is so impressed by Pakistan's newest fast-bowlers:
PakPassion.net: Are you confident that the likes of Shaheen Shah Afridi, Naseem Shah and Mohammad Hasnain have the skills to achieve great things for Pakistan?
Mudassar Nazar: Let me say something about the talent we have in Pakistan when it comes to pace-bowling. Amongst the net bowlers we use at the NCA, there are some incredible talents who can bowl close to 88 to 90MpH which is amazing and sometimes I wonder, given the facilities we have in the country, where are they coming from? We had this same phenomenon of these unknown fast-bowlers springing out of every corner of the country in the late 90s but then the supply-line dried-up. Thankfully, the situation has improved in the last 2 years and we have a lot of fast-bowlers who are bowling above the 85MpH mark with a potential to go well beyond 90 MpH.
Even bowlers like Shaheen are bound to pick up another yard and Naseem for sure has the potential to pick up another couple of yards. Mohammad Hasnain was another promising talent who came to us in the NCA but he broke his ankle and we nursed him for about 9 months at the academy and he has shown a lot of promise. He can also increase his pace now as his run-up has improved as he was over-striding before. When that happens, you don’t have much control over your delivery and the speed is also affected. I recall that Waqar Younis had the same issue at the start of his career but he improved so I am very happy that Hasnain is now in good hands as he has found a coach who had this problem himself. I am also glad to say that I have seen a lot of talent in the younger players and one Under-13 boy, whose name I will not mention as he is still young, literally bowls like Shahid Afridi and is an opening batsman who plays some proper batting shots and I am sure will be someone very special in the future.
PakPassion.net: Are you confident that the likes of Shaheen Shah Afridi, Naseem Shah and Mohammad Hasnain have the skills to achieve great things for Pakistan?
Mudassar Nazar: Let me say something about the talent we have in Pakistan when it comes to pace-bowling. Amongst the net bowlers we use at the NCA, there are some incredible talents who can bowl close to 88 to 90MpH which is amazing and sometimes I wonder, given the facilities we have in the country, where are they coming from? We had this same phenomenon of these unknown fast-bowlers springing out of every corner of the country in the late 90s but then the supply-line dried-up. Thankfully, the situation has improved in the last 2 years and we have a lot of fast-bowlers who are bowling above the 85MpH mark with a potential to go well beyond 90 MpH.
Even bowlers like Shaheen are bound to pick up another yard and Naseem for sure has the potential to pick up another couple of yards. Mohammad Hasnain was another promising talent who came to us in the NCA but he broke his ankle and we nursed him for about 9 months at the academy and he has shown a lot of promise. He can also increase his pace now as his run-up has improved as he was over-striding before. When that happens, you don’t have much control over your delivery and the speed is also affected. I recall that Waqar Younis had the same issue at the start of his career but he improved so I am very happy that Hasnain is now in good hands as he has found a coach who had this problem himself. I am also glad to say that I have seen a lot of talent in the younger players and one Under-13 boy, whose name I will not mention as he is still young, literally bowls like Shahid Afridi and is an opening batsman who plays some proper batting shots and I am sure will be someone very special in the future.
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Mudassar Nazar deserves a lot of credit. His tenures coincide with the emergence of young talented players.
Were they in the grove when nazar were thier
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The question or the debate should be What is the reason for the disappearance of young fast bowlers from Pakistan who show lot of promise at young age but never get to the level of Wasim and Waqar
Could be various things upbringings,poverty,hard work,no coaching pathway,
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Lets not forget nepotism and lack of connections in higher places.
And that
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This tells a different story
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You know things are going south when Sri Lanka and West Indies rank above you!
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It’s disappointing because that could easily have been 3 instead of 0 for Pakistan for last 25 years.
All three of Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammed Asif and Mohammed Amir were at their best bowlers of the highest calibre in test cricket and if only they had focused on their cricket and fitness and not been distracted with other ‘things’ - they should all have taken 250 test wickets at the least.
Another factor which we can’t ignore also is that Pakistan doesn’t play as many test matches in a year and has no opportunity to play 4/5 match test series which also helps fast bowlers if they are on top form to go on and take a stack of wickets. That’s a luxury the likes of Anderson and Broad have had throughout their careers.
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Don't think it does. Let any fast bowler play enough tests consistently and they would be at 200 wickets.
Doesn't make them great bowlers if they reach that milestone.
We simply don't play enough tests and neither do we persist with the same bowlers consistently for a variety of reasons.
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The other day, there was same discussion during first test between Bazid and Haysman. Bazid said that Pakistan has used most number of fast bowlers in the last 20 years and said that PCT management lacks patience and trust with these bowlers & want immediate results. He gave the example of Ishant Sharma and said that most of the fast bowlers dropped were averaging less than him. And now see how Ishant has become top fast bowler.
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I think if you look back, I would say post World Cup 2003 when all the seniors went was the turning point on Pakistani fast bowling legacy - and two bowlers come to mind who changed things forever in Pakistan cricket in different ways.
Mohammed Sami and Umar Gul.
Sami was the worst ambassador of old school raw pace fast bowling , as he was quick and bowled the unplayable wicket taking deliveries but in between that he bowled the worst pile of rubbish any pace bowler in cricket history might have done.
This led to a new strategy with commentator turned selectors like Amir Sohail calling for line and length and bringing on to the scene the so-called next Glenn McGrath also known as Umar Gul. This was a paradigm shift.
Deep down I still think Amir Sohail who was a bit snobbish in his cricket views as a commentator also , and also given his history of problems with Wasim, possibly thought McGraths style of pace bowling was superior
to the traditional Pakistani style of all out quick and attack , and Mohammed Sami getting taken apart at 99mph while Umar Gul bowled tidy and economically at medium pace was his evidence that the so-called line and length and wait-for-batsman-to-make-mistake method of fast bowling was superior in every way.
As back then in early 2000s, as seen in Pak U19 teams there were glimpses of fast bowling talent with the same style that had shades of Wasim/Waqar/Shoaib but it all got wasted and dried up.
And newcomers knew from them on that Umar Gul was the role model for all upcoming quicks , just like Mohammed Hafeez was the role model for young batsmen - play safe and take no risks , that was the message. Let your opponent take the risks , because that worked for Glenn McGrath then it was supposed to work for everyone , right ?
The rest is history...
A young quick has a couple of good matches in the PSL and suddenly he's the next best thing since sliced bread.
In years gone by, our quicks would learn the art of pace-bowling in 4-day cricket under the watchful eye of other very good quick bowlers and senior bowlers. Nowadays our superstar quicks are turned into overnight legends after one or two good performances in 4 overs.
From 4-day to 4-overs has become the criteria to measure our quick bowlers.
In years gone by, our quicks would learn the art of pace-bowling in 4-day cricket under the watchful eye of other very good quick bowlers and senior bowlers. Nowadays our superstar quicks are turned into overnight legends after one or two good performances in 4 overs.
From 4-day to 4-overs has become the criteria to measure our quick bowlers.
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thats definitely the prime reason.
However there's also a genuine lack of good progressive coaching talent at all domestic levels. Thus even if you do get a born 'star' who has all the athletic gifts to be incredible, their technical deficiencies eventually put a low ceiling on their careers.
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MIG, you are being funny here. If there is a resurgence due to young bowlers then 200+ wickets bowlers will show up after 5-7 years. The last 25 years of record can't be used to counter that there is no resurgence.
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Pakistan probably has the least talented and least skilled collection of young fast bowlers in the world at the moment. Resurgence?
And were is he Shinwari now and were is shaheen ?why would you bring his previews seasons and not his current season with lq
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Naseem Shah is the best young fast bowler in Pakistan
I think after Shaheen , Naseem is the best young fast bowler in the country and will soon feature in white ball cricket for Pak.
He has his pace back, and a lot going for him in terms of zip and seam position. Hopefully the stint at Gloucestershire does him good. All the foreign commies also seem to rate him a lot. There is something about him.
I think after Shaheen , Naseem is the best young fast bowler in the country and will soon feature in white ball cricket for Pak.
He has his pace back, and a lot going for him in terms of zip and seam position. Hopefully the stint at Gloucestershire does him good. All the foreign commies also seem to rate him a lot. There is something about him.
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Its not that we didnt have any bowlers after Akhtar, it is just that we didint develop another pacer that became world renowned after that.
But why so?
Sarfraz had a cult following in Australia, and Imran dominated the game for 2 decades with his bowling, while Waqar became the toe crusher and Wasim swung away, and Akhtar (with a limited career) bowled pace.
My take is that all these bowlers mentioned got famous due to Test Cricket. Their performances in Test Cricket what defined their reputation. When Pakistan started producing flat wickets, after Akhtar we had no other bowler that was able to make a name for himself. Two did came but they caught fixing (dont want this thread to be about them).
Than in 2008, we didnt even play a single test match for the whole year, and after 2009 we were playing in someone else backyard.
Or is it something else?
But why so?
Sarfraz had a cult following in Australia, and Imran dominated the game for 2 decades with his bowling, while Waqar became the toe crusher and Wasim swung away, and Akhtar (with a limited career) bowled pace.
My take is that all these bowlers mentioned got famous due to Test Cricket. Their performances in Test Cricket what defined their reputation. When Pakistan started producing flat wickets, after Akhtar we had no other bowler that was able to make a name for himself. Two did came but they caught fixing (dont want this thread to be about them).
Than in 2008, we didnt even play a single test match for the whole year, and after 2009 we were playing in someone else backyard.
Or is it something else?
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