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I see all the hype about him in this forum, but whenever I have seen him play against better opposition, he fails regularly.

And don’t even get me started on the number of times this guy can’t efen rotate the strike and hits the balls straight to a fielder.

I just think he is overrated and hyped a lot on here.
 
He is only 23, but yes seems like a soft cricketer thus far.
 
He is only 23, but yes seems like a soft cricketer thus far.

He has been playing for some time now.

So when he is 25 and played more and preformed exactly the same as until today, will you say the same that he is only 25?
 
He has been playing for some time now.

So when he is 25 and played more and preformed exactly the same as until today, will you say the same that he is only 25?

err all im saying is that he deserves the benefit of doubt for now. Lets see if he develops further and shows the ability to stand up under pressure situations in the future. If he continues minnow bashing and getting soft runs he'll never be rated as the great batsmen that everyone thought he was meant to turn out to be.
 
err all im saying is that he deserves the benefit of doubt for now. Lets see if he develops further and shows the ability to stand up under pressure situations in the future. If he continues minnow bashing and getting soft runs he'll never be rated as the great batsmen that everyone thought he was meant to turn out to be.

I know exactly what you are saying :)

Time will tell if he is any good, but what I have seen so far, he isn’t a quality player against decent opposition.
 
Upcoming series' vs better opposition will give a better idea about his capabilities.
 
He is going through a bad phase(it happens to every player)I hope this asia cup was an eye opener for him and also fakhar zaman and i also hope they will learn from their mistakes and get in to the groove of scoring runs and regain their form for the world cup.
 
All the qualities OP has highlighted are inherent to Babar. He has limitations. But he definitely has a role to play in the pakistan team for a long time.
 
We unfortunately don't experiment enough with other batsmen which is a must given the batting emergency in the country.
 
Babar Azam has had 2 bad series in the Asia Cup and the NZ tour. He is a sitting duck against good opposition players
 
To me appears to be a bit soft centred and not a player for the big occasion or against the best opposition.

I hope he proves me wrong and starts to perform regularly against the better teams, but so far that is not happening.
 
He isn't fit for an odi setup.

He'll be some one who can give you 60(85) more often than not but with a price.

He doesn't have another gear. So his opposite batsman will feel the pressure and will be out while trying to decrease the RR.

and he won't be the player who can chase 50 odd runs in 5 overs against a top team.

He can save Pakistan from an embarrassing score but that's as far as it will go.
 
Everybody knows i was his biggest supporter when he started his career. However, he needs to develop to the next level at a quicker rate than what he is showing. He is just 23 and generally players come into their own when they are around 25-26 and finally enter their peak years from 28 years onwards. I dont think he can be dropped in the next couple of years even if he doesnt perform as per the standards which he has set (54 ODI average).
 
He isn't fit for an odi setup.

He'll be some one who can give you 60(85) more often than not but with a price.

He doesn't have another gear. So his opposite batsman will feel the pressure and will be out while trying to decrease the RR.

and he won't be the player who can chase 50 odd runs in 5 overs against a top team.

He can save Pakistan from an embarrassing score but that's as far as it will go.

Pakistan actually doesn't have many players who can win them high scoring matches
Fakhar & Malik are only capable of doing but even they aren't very consistent
Rest are hacks like Asif Ali,Sohail Akhtar etc

Imams & Babars are the best They can have in their line up
 
I see all the hype about him in this forum, but whenever I have seen him play against better opposition, he fails regularly.

And don’t even get me started on the number of times this guy can’t efen rotate the strike and hits the balls straight to a fielder.

I just think he is overrated and hyped a lot on here.

So you didn't see him score runs against Australia and the World XI? Or throughout the Champion's Trophy?

You should watch more cricket.
 
Play against Zimbabwe C team or Sri Lanka or West Indies and all his shortcomings will disappear.
 
Pakistan actually doesn't have many players who can win them high scoring matches
Fakhar & Malik are only capable of doing but even they aren't very consistent
Rest are hacks like Asif Ali,Sohail Akhtar etc

Imams & Babars are the best They can have in their line up

Malik isn't consistent? He averaged 50 with a sr of 96 while batting mainly at 5 since the end of the last world cup. He was one of the premier middle over batsmen in world ODI cricket. His runs are so crucial of teh 32 (out of 55) matches that Pakistan have won in that time, he averages 70+, including a crucial fifty against Afghanistan. A match winning 50 at that.

Zaman in his short career is still averaging 60, sr of 99 and 50 or more runs against teams as good as ENgland, India and NZ.

One bad tournament does not make them all inconsistent.
 
Last I remember he scored a century in Australia against their best bowlers (unlike kohli and rohit who piled it against 3rd string bowlers) and scored decisive runs in all important clash on June 18th. He is a youngster and has all the ingredients to become the great batsman he is meant to become. Indians here need not worry and shed fake tears.
 
He's going through a bad patch. But there are things which he does need to improve . I would also like him to show a bit more aggression in the field. His body language isn't very good.
 
Pakistan actually doesn't have many players who can win them high scoring matches
Fakhar & Malik are only capable of doing but even they aren't very consistent
Rest are hacks like Asif Ali,Sohail Akhtar etc

Imams & Babars are the best They can have in their line up

Just because others are average, it doesn't mean it should give a green entry to babar. Does it?

You do realize where the problem lies. But two weaknesses doesn't make it a stronger.

If Pakistan wants to be consistent on regular basis, it should opt for people who are threatened by other teams.

Fakhar is one who can threaten a team.

Babar doesn't.
 
To me appears to be a bit soft centred and not a player for the big occasion or against the best opposition.

I hope he proves me wrong and starts to perform regularly against the better teams, but so far that is not happening.

He doesn't have the ability to absolutely dominate a decent attack. Against better sides he focuses more on surviving and scoring. Lack of higher gears mean his usefulness is limited. Rahane for all his class is a dud in the one dayer as he can't rotate strike.
 
Malik isn't consistent? He averaged 50 with a sr of 96 while batting mainly at 5 since the end of the last world cup. He was one of the premier middle over batsmen in world ODI cricket. His runs are so crucial of teh 32 (out of 55) matches that Pakistan have won in that time, he averages 70+, including a crucial fifty against Afghanistan. A match winning 50 at that.

Zaman in his short career is still averaging 60, sr of 99 and 50 or more runs against teams as good as ENgland, India and NZ.

One bad tournament does not make them all inconsistent.

Malik' stats are boosted by bashing minnows
Malik hasn't scored runs against top teams other than India
Failed badly in NZ,Aus & Eng(got runs in dead rubber)

Agree on what u said about Fakhar
 
There is nothing wrong with Babar.

Problem is with his "fans". Babar is a good batsman but if you're going to jail him as the second coming of Bradman then you are always going to be disappointed.

Take him as he is - a good top order bat - and you will see that he isn't all that bad.

Barring YK, Pakistan hasn't produced a world class batsman since Anwar and I think that's why the fans get excited and jump the gun with every "new talent".
 
Just because others are average, it doesn't mean it should give a green entry to babar. Does it?

You do realize where the problem lies. But two weaknesses doesn't make it a stronger.

If Pakistan wants to be consistent on regular basis, it should opt for people who are threatened by other teams.

Fakhar is one who can threaten a team.

Babar doesn't.

Fakhar is already in the team

so Babar isn't competing with him for the spot in the XI

The other options they have are Azhar Ali,Asiad Shafiq who are bigger tuktuks or hacks like Asif Ali who ain't even trusted to bat above someone like Shadab when the Team loses some early wickets.
 
Babar Azam vs Eng, Aus, Ind, SA and NZ:

Innings Runs Average Strike Rate 100's 50's
27 898 37.41 80.75 1 5

Babar Azam vs Rest of The Teams:

Innings Runs Average Strike Rate 100's 50's
22 1231 72.41 87.24 7 3

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These records speak as if they belong to two different players. There is no doubt he has potential, but he really needs to work hard and iron out the chinks in his game. He will only be considered World-class when he performs against the top teams.
 
If this guys needs another 2-3 years to peak, then we are in for a long heartache!!!
 
Well Pakistan doesnt have anyone any better. Good batting talent is very scarce. Even the newer ones like Imam or Usman Salahuddin are average. Bangladesh have produced better batting talent than us in recent years.
 
I think he has the potential to improve, but the best players make runs agianst the best teams and Babar hasn't done that so far in his career on a consistent basis.
 
Why can't you guys accept that he is just not good enough. Why put him under such expectations when he just don't have the ability. Let him play 30 tests and then make an opinion.
 
He needs to work out he's a skinny dude with no muscle on his legs. His weak body plus attitude showcases a weak presence. He needs to toughen up both physically and mentally. That will also help with his confidence
 
yes on a consistent basis, he has failed against better oppositions.. The way he is getting out looks like he is under immense pressure to face a better bowling attack.. he is been runout on quite a few times and simply not expecting the ball to swing in UAE which is quite normal but sometimes it swings too...

Hope he doesnt turn out to be another UA...

But for this asia cup im not sure why pak continued playing with just 3 batsmen and sit out HS when from the beginning till the end pak batting misfired and continue to struggle reaching 250s
 
He is an average batsman who can score only on flat tracks and weaker bowlers. Micky and people should stop comparing him and our other players with some legends.

Have low expectation from our players and we shouln't be disappointed after all. But the performance in Asia cup was really bad. At least we should win against other teams comfortably.
 
Still better than the likes of DK.
Any way, Babbar needs to be given time to up his game. However, he needs to ensure that he doesn't go into his shell again and again or set his team up for failure by playing at his own pace. Team goals come above your individual goals.
 
He has to play in more leagues like BBL or CPL, if he has not signed up already.
Also, he has to work on his fitness, he looks a bit lean for a top batsman.
And people who are bashing him should remember Rohit wasted 6 years from 2008-2014, with Dhoni's blessings, Jadeja wasted 4-5 years, Raina wasted 3-4 years.

So, give the man 1-2 years more, he is going to be on the level of Inzimam in ODIs and in tests, it is a bit of gamble. Confidence should be built up in one format - ODIs - which could be carried into another. That is not happenning now, but likely to happen in 1-2 years time.

He has to have captain's backing as well.
 
I found it very weird when it happened or it could be that I am nit picking, but look at Babar's reaction from 0:12 to 0:15 on getting out on 1 in a super crucial match - shadow practising in a very casual manner. Like I said may be I am being over critical but looked as if the dismissal didn't bother or hurt him at all, and he was kinda cool with it.

https://www.hotstar.com/sports/cric...lips/mustafizur-traps-keyman-babar/2002004335
 
I'm extremely dissapinted with babar. He has the same issues now as he did when he started his career and rather than looking to improve he's still the same batsman. He needs to work on rotation of strike and power hitting.
 
Don’t know what’s worse Baba compared to kholi, or Shadab compared to Steve Smith.
 
He is good on contemporary cricket, almost legendary among his contemporary team mates. When Zaheer used to bat at 3, he had Mazid as opener & Javed, Asif @ 4 & 5. Now Babar bats at 3, when Fakhar opens & Sarfraz/Malik bats at 4/5 - harsh travesty of PAK cricket.

I feel, like many PAK young batsmen in recent times, his game has stuck at one level. Batsman comes with natural skills, and performs unnoticed - then teams start to analyze their game. A batsman’s next action is to find counter measures & master that through application in domestics - this is what’s missing.

If I can recall correctly - Mustafiz got Babar with a similar ball at PSL, and this hopeless tundler from a little minnow did remember that tiny fault of Babar’s batting to use that effectively when it mattered 6 months later - then imagine what big teams & bigger talents can do?

PAK domestic cricket has to change - previously it was exposing batsmen only, now it’s catching up bowlers as well. This time minnows like BD recovered from 12/3 in an elimination game, next time PAK might not even get a minnow down at 12/3 in a dead rubber. This Asia Cup, in PAK’s adopted home for a decade now, to be very harsh - Hong Kong out bowled PAK bowlers; one should realize that looking without green glass. Babar is not the biggest problem - trust me, bigger scares are just lurking around.
 
I see all the hype about him in this forum, but whenever I have seen him play against better opposition, he fails regularly.

And don’t even get me started on the number of times this guy can’t efen rotate the strike and hits the balls straight to a fielder.

I just think he is overrated and hyped a lot on here.

:broad:ua 3rd highest run getter across all format in 2019 after rohit and kohli .
 
He averaged 60 in ODIs at a strike rate of 90 in a world cup year.

What a player he's become!
 
Just goes to show you should give time to players to develop and slowly improve. Not everybody can start their careers as fully formed players but the hallmark of great players is their ability to learn from mistakes and improve on their shortcomings.

That’s why I’ve always maintained the answer isn’t to always drop players when they don’t perform but to be patient and trust they are working behind the scenes on their techniques.
 
One of those rare Pakistani batsmen who improved his game, steadily.

Imam and Sami should try to emulate him.

Babar did what PCB expected from Umar Akmal and Shehzad. Natural talent is there, but in the end hard work trumps every weakness :vk
 
Ever since I watched cricket post 2010, I have seen so many Pakistani players blessed with immense talent like Nasir Jamshed, Umar Akmal,Ahmed Shehzad who gave us fans big hopes of being the next big thing but just faltered after one or two years. These jokers made us give up on Pakistan cricket. These guys cleverly used the media to boos their selection chances and Misbah kept players like these to look like the best batsman in the line up to prolong his career.

This guy is something different. God give him more and more success.

He keeps on improving and is extremely focused on his game and fitness only. In some ways he is very similar to Tendulkar. Let's see how he goes but so far so good.

Hope he triggers a batting revolution in our country. If he continues batting like this statistically he will end up as the best Pakistan batsman in history and an ATG.
 
He has been playing for some time now.

So when he is 25 and played more and preformed exactly the same as until today, will you say the same that he is only 25?

I would have to assume that he plays alot like he does because of the batting collapse pakistan cricket is famous for. But, he is finally starting to find his groove. Only way he will improve further is by playing stronger opposition regularly. So the age 23 kinda does make sense. 2 years will be a long time to build and hone your skill even further. Usually around 25-27 is when the batsmen will start to mature. If by then he still plays like you mentioned, criticism should be given.
 
Lol at all the jokers on this thread after 1 bat odi series Vs NZ and Asia cup. His first real dip in loi.
I was arguing with [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION] ages ago about this. I must have just missed this thread!!
 
He has truly come a long way.

Looking at the rubbish batsmen we have been blessed with during this decade, it's sometimes hard to believe that Babar is actually Pakistani.
 
What is wrong with Babar? I wonder the same thing. Why is he scoring centuries all of a sudden? Maybe its cause he ate a special briyani. The world will wonder while Babar will score quietly.
 
PP experts strike again. Judging someone based on a few tests as if they know all there is to know about the sport.

Hell, I would not be surprised if Babar inevitably has a lean patch and you will have posters here claiming how they knew ALL ALONG that he was mediocre.
 
PP experts strike again. Judging someone based on a few tests as if they know all there is to know about the sport.

Hell, I would not be surprised if Babar inevitably has a lean patch and you will have posters here claiming how they knew ALL ALONG that he was mediocre.

This.
 
Babar always had the talent and has improved over the past year and hopefully will continue too.
 
Some Pakistan fans have no patience. A lot of egg on face in this thread lol.
 
I can understand the pessimism of the fans given that we had too many false dawns in the past with so many 'talented' batsmen. However, there is one thing that always stood out with Babar: the capacity and willingness to improve. (A trait that Shaan masood also possesses btw and sooner or later he would prove it)

If you compare him with someone like Haris for example, Haris's mode of dismissal was exactly the same over the 2 series (same way he got out in T20s and he found another way to get out in tests). Babar had that failure first up and immediately, he put away that extravagant shot early in the innings and reaped the rewards. This is how you differentiate a talented batsman with a future with a talented batsman who wouldn't achieve anything. Compare him with Ahmed Shahzad, he has the same weakness he had 10 years ago.
 
PP experts strike again. Judging someone based on a few tests as if they know all there is to know about the sport.

Hell, I would not be surprised if Babar inevitably has a lean patch and you will have posters here claiming how they knew ALL ALONG that he was mediocre.

Agreed. Naseem was the latest addition to the target list of many. Every other day a player is hyped to the moon and then few poor matches and he becomes the worst thing happen to cricket.
 
Agreed. Naseem was the latest addition to the target list of many. Every other day a player is hyped to the moon and then few poor matches and he becomes the worst thing happen to cricket.

Thats the issue with most fans. They have this ego not to be proven wrong so a bad performance of a player they all out criticising
 
He isn't fit for an odi setup.

He'll be some one who can give you 60(85) more often than not but with a price.

He doesn't have another gear. So his opposite batsman will feel the pressure and will be out while trying to decrease the RR.

and he won't be the player who can chase 50 odd runs in 5 overs against a top team.

He can save Pakistan from an embarrassing score but that's as far as it will go.

I haven’t seen this poster on here in ages r u still on this forum bro ?
 
Agreed. Naseem was the latest addition to the target list of many. Every other day a player is hyped to the moon and then few poor matches and he becomes the worst thing happen to cricket.

I think most fans here cannot understand that if you are planning international cricket whether tests, t20s or ODIs, you are a bloody good player, among the best in the country. Babar has had a slow start in tests but he is young and his LOI record is excellent. So, he deserves a longer rope and as expected, he is starting to do very well even in tests now. But hey, let the experts here continue to keep their head in the sand.
 
Unlike many other pakistani batsmen , babar has improved and we should be thankful for that. He kept his head down and continued to self assess himself. Time for other pakistani batsmen around him to leafn from him.
 
Still here. Went through internet shutdown so was offline for awhile. Just in more of a reading mode now a days.

yeah you were quite active before one of the main posters from india now i haven't seen you post on any thread for quite a while
 
The investment in Babar is paying off. Hopefully he learns the art of scoring big 100s in tests and can keep on improving in LO. Would like to see him rotate strike better and put bad balls away whilst batting through the innings.

The innings against New Zealand in the WC changed his confidence and belief. He now believes he is a top player. That is the innings that convinced me he could be up there with Smith, Root, and Williamson. Before that I wasn’t sure if he would be on there level, I thought he may have been the bracket below them. But now I believe if he improves in the aspects I mentioned he can be in the conversation of Root, Smith, and Williamson.
 
A common courtesy from all the posters moaning and crying about the average/bad player Babar had become...would be to raise their hand and let the pie hit them square in the face!

If you are willing to give jokers like Akmals, Shehzad, Sami etc. tons of chances, then why not support Babar through a lean patch especially when he is quite new to the team as well...some of our fans never learn I guess
 
Anyone who doubted Babar doesn't understand cricket. I knew he would become world class since his U19 days.
 
Title should be:

What is right with Babar Azam :)
 
Look at any batsmen who eventually grew into a world class one or a very good one, had struggled early in there career but got better as it went along. Babar Azam is no different.
 
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