What is your theory about ISIS, its aims and who benefits from them?

[Moiza]

I for one don't believe in conspiracy theories. I dont believe that the americans and yahoodis have as big of a role as people claim.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I for one don't believe in conspiracy theories. I dont believe that the americans and yahoodis have as big of a role as people claim.

Perhaps you can answer the below.

How did 800 ISIS fighters defeat 30,000 Iraqi soldiers?

Is it a coincidence the leaders of ISIS were all in Camp Bucca?

Why did ISIS apologise to Israel?

 

[Adil_94]

Abdel Bari Atwan has a really good book on ISIS called ISIS the Digital Caliphate.

And Graeme Wood has a really good book on their origins too.

ISIS are formed from the remnants of Al Qaeda in Iraq thag was founded in 2003 by Zarqawi in the Iraq War. Zarqawi started his sectarian campaign against Shia because the Shia opposition to Saddam were collaborating with the Americans and were helping the americans build "iraqi democracy" which would really be Shia majoritarianism added to the fact Zarqawi and his group saw democracy as a haram system that had to be removed. They also saw that in order for ther utopian Islamic State to be created then the Shia would have to be forcibly cleansed as they were the greater enemy within for them who couldnt be trusted.

ISIS used to be ISI in Iraq but they got battered during the Sahwa campaign from 06-09 when the Americans managed to get a Sunni-Shia alliance to push Al Qaeda in Iraq and its offshoots underground. Its only in 2011/12 when the Syrian uprising happened that ISI became ISIS after moving into Syria to capitalise on the breakdown of the state.

ISIS strength comes from their high number of ex-Baathists in their ranks who were sacked after 03 theyve been responsible for a lot of ISIS bureaucracy and ability to function as a governing body not just win on the battlefield and use violence.

Americans dividing prisoners at Camp Bucca into sectarian halves allowed Baathists and Jihadists to make contacts and networks.

The ex Baathist edge is what gives ISIS their edge.

ISIS is a group that has arisen in a specific set of circumstances. Could their rise have been prevented for sure but they are a legit group to categorise them as just a conspiracy is naive.

 

[ElRaja]

as pointed out in the above post, its a genesis of the remnants of the baathist regime playing the long game to eradicate "democratic" political opposition, so when the political parties are weak enough to have no effective governance the army can come sweep away isis and restore baathist power, this is my conspiracy theory.

the ground reality is saudi support them to destabilise irans sphere of influence in the region, turkey support them to keep kurdish nationalism in check, ipso facto tacitly tolerated by the americans.

baathism is a pan arabian ideology, which goes some way to explaining why its main focus of recruitment is on arab, or north african origin muslims as opposed to central or southern asian.

 

[Black Zero]

ISIS/DAESH/ISIL represent true historic Islam and based on the ideology to revive Islam.

Maybe it was created as a reaction to USA's foreign policies toward Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya etc however in current state its pretty much self sufficient organization.

In their controlled area, they have implemented Islamic Sharia. Many of their leaders have formal religious training from religious institutions.

- They have established the caliphate
- They ask Jazya from minorities
- They chop hands for stealing
- They have female slaves
- They have no regard for the lives of minorities.

However in some cases they over do it as sometimes they use very young children as soldiers while Islam does not give permission for any child younger than 14/15.

Naturally, moderate Muslims dispute the above.

 

[Yossarian]

The military industrial complexes, the politicians and the generals all need a bogey man. If one doesn't exist, then create one. That's why when one conflict ends, or looks like ending, a new one begins. WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Cold War, Algeria, the former Yugoslavia, Lebanon civil war, Israel/Mid-East, Iraq/Iran war, Gulf War, Afghanistan, Iraq War, Libya, Syria ..... even India/Pakistan. (I've left out the conflicts in Central/South America, and the numerous African conflicts as the list will be too long), they all have a 'good side' and 'bad side'.

Notice how Saddam turned from being 'the good guy' supported by the West during the Iran/Iraq war, but became the bogey man when that war ended?

Once the Mid-East has a 'pause' you'll see a conflict involving N.Korea kicking off.

The politicians need to play the patriotism 'we're in danger' card, the military industrial complex need to see the old stockpiles used up, creating the need for their latest expensive goodies, the generals need to keep their perks, and ensure regular promotions .... these new expensive goodies need to be field tested somewhere!

Just look how the latest bombers and jetfighters are deployed in Syria for the bombing campaign against Isis. Are they expecting the latest radars and anti-aircraft systems to be deployed against then by Isis? Clapped out 50 year old bombers and jets would have sufficed just as well.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I don't know if it is true or not but here's what I think: Al Qaeda was an American born agency and ISIS is an off shoot of Al Qaeda. The Al Qaeda was basically formed to cause terror in Iraq only for the US to intervene and "prevent" war and "help" the Iraqis. However, this was only as a disguise to steal the oil of Iraq because the US economy was seriously struggling during this time and was in the middle of a recession.

Al Qaeda followed an extreme version of Islam who lived by a Holier than thou attitude and anyone who was not living life according to their interpretation is Islam was a Kaafir and had to be shown the sword.

The situation inevitably got out of America's hand when ISIS was born. An off-shoot of Al Qaeda and people who thought on the same lines as that of the Al Qaeda but ISIS were even worse. The Al Qaeda army was ill-equipped and consisted of mainly tribesmen of Iraq. ISIS however has the support of many educated and intelligent minds around the world who believe this is the right way. ISIS wishes exactly what it says, an Islamic Caliphate ranging across the world.

Their aim is to take over different countries of the world. With already more than half of Iraq and Syria under their control, they have also started their "projects" to spread Islam in Afghanistan, India and Pakistan while the likes of Nigeria are already part of their "Islamic Caliphate".

Obviously, the USA are still a beneficiary from all of this otherwise they would not continue to spend (or waste) billions of dollars in ISIS controlled areas. However, the US or other forces such as Russia, UK, Turkey are not the only sole benefices this time as even the militants (ISIS) have a lot of power.

None of this is necessarily true or accurate. Just my opinion on the situation.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I for one don't believe in conspiracy theories. I dont believe that the americans and yahoodis have as big of a role as people claim.

What do you believe? We don't have solid, concrete evidence as to what the situation is really about so practically every theory is a conspiracy theory.

 

[Major]

ISIS/DAESH/ISIL represent true historic Islam and based on the ideology to revive Islam.

Maybe it was created as a reaction to USA's foreign policies toward Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya etc however in current state its pretty much self sufficient organization.

In their controlled area, they have implemented Islamic Sharia. Many of their leaders have formal religious training from religious institutions.

- They have established the caliphate
- They ask Jazya from minorities
- They chop hands for stealing
- They have female slaves
- They have no regard for the lives of minorities.

However in some cases they over do it as sometimes they use very young children as soldiers while Islam does not give permission for any child younger than 14/15.

Naturally, moderate Muslims dispute the above.

So if thats what our religion actually looked like in historic times does this mean our religion is good or bad?

Or just because it those time such things were alright due to people at that time not having that much knowledge as we possess in todays world

 

[ExpressPacer]

ISIS/DAESH/ISIL represent true historic Islam and based on the ideology to revive Islam.

Maybe it was created as a reaction to USA's foreign policies toward Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya etc however in current state its pretty much self sufficient organization.

In their controlled area, they have implemented Islamic Sharia. Many of their leaders have formal religious training from religious institutions.

- They have established the caliphate
- They ask Jazya from minorities
- They chop hands for stealing
- They have female slaves
- They have no regard for the lives of minorities.

However in some cases they over do it as sometimes they use very young children as soldiers while Islam does not give permission for any child younger than 14/15.

Naturally, moderate Muslims dispute the above.

While minorities may have not been dealt with properly in some Islamic regime of the past, this does not mean that this is the Islamic way of thinking or that Shariah law promotes ill-treatment of minorities.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't know what their aims are. If it was to build a state, they failed miserably there. At the moment it seems to be running people down with trucks in western capitals. I don't know who is benefiting either, but it's not Muslims either at home or abroad.