What should the PSL management do to create rivalry between the teams?

[The cricket enthusiast]

Honestly i don't see much rivalry in PSL it's been 5 years of this league but we are yet to see that level of excitement or hype which doesn't allow us to not miss any moment of the Game.
there has been some fight here and there between players but thats more of an ego than any healthy Rivalry on the field between bat and ball .. like i just witnessed between Imran tahir & Colin munro or in some previous season shehzad vs wahab..
i hope from next Psl home & away games will help to create real rivalry which we are missing...
i hate seeing players smiling when they get hit... already it looks bad seeing 40+
this year PSL fielding has been mediocre and this really put us off as a viewer 3 to 4 dropping dollys in almost every match and im being genrous here i guess.

what do you guys think PSL management should do to up the ante ?

i would like to add here its really pleasing to see almost to full crowd in Every PSL match . i had to mention it over here as there are soo many Ppers that only focus on negative aspects .
even in weekdays the stadium was pretty much full.. something im yet to witness in middle part of IPL.

 

[Rudi hater]

Lahore/Karachi is an old rivalry. Peshawar/Quetta could potentailly develop into a rivarly.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Create a rawalpindi team, very strong rivalry would be created with islamabad. Same can go for faislabad/multan.

Lahore/Karachi would have been a bigger rivalry by now if both of the teams hadn’t done so bad in previous years.

 

[Shafi]

Rivalry will work only when relegation/penalty is there so the franchise owners feels ashamed to make poor teams. At the moment all the teams are friendly with each others. Whether you no. 1 or no. 6 doesn't matter. Otherwise Lahore Qalander being 5-6 for last 4 seasons and probably in 5th season as well is reluctant to get better players than TTFs and useless coaches. This will apply to other teams as well.

 

[Pakpak]

Honestly i don't see much rivalry in PSL it's been 5 years of this league but we are yet to see that level of excitement or hype which doesn't allow us to not miss any moment of the Game.
there has been some fight here and there between players but thats more of an ego than any healthy Rivalry on the field between bat and ball .. like i just witnessed between Imran tahir & Colin munro or in some previous season shehzad vs wahab..
i hope from next Psl home & away games will help to create real rivalry which we are missing...
i hate seeing players smiling when they get hit... already it looks bad seeing 40+
this year PSL fielding has been mediocre and this really put us off as a viewer 3 to 4 dropping dollys in almost every match and im being genrous here i guess.

what do you guys think PSL management should do to up the ante ?

i would like to add here its really pleasing to see almost to full crowd in Every PSL match . i had to mention it over here as there are soo many Ppers that only focus on negative aspects .
even in weekdays the stadium was pretty much full.. something im yet to witness in middle part of IPL.

The teams haven't played at home much at all. You'll see it soon enough when they play more, I hope

 

[Fitness_era]

more teams needed

If PSL gets to the point where there are 2 teams from each region that will make it more intresting. Also there has to be relegations and things like these.

Keep for example 2 teams from each region the last 2 gets relegated each year and get a diffrent city next year for that place from the same region.

Have another league from where the teams can be picked from so you don't have to worry about that.
For this to work there has to be more owners for each of the teams. A bit like they do it in grass root tape ball tournaments.

 

[last_knight]

Major chunk of fans follow a team for their favourite players. And players keep on changing teams every season. Almost every players with a decent fan base has changed teams at least once. It dilutes brand of team.

Franchises need to capture additional fan base by sticking to brand players. We can't have a rivalry otherwise.

 

[Ryw]

Better marketing TV media, print media and social mediacoverage, fans shirts clothing etc, players interacting with fans in specific cities..

 

[mmkextreme_1]

They need more cities that can have potential rivalries with each other.

Islamabad/Rawalpindi

Lahore/Karachi and Lahore/Faislalabad

Karachi/Hyderabad

There are a few more.

With home/away games now being played, this will help a lot. The PCB needs to play their part to create more intense rivalries.

 

[MMHS]

PSL franchises need a local icon & few core players sticking with the franchise for long term. Also, may be not to trade players among their arch rivals - 1963, that’s almost 58 years back, was the last time when a player played for both Liverpool & ManU. In history of 127 years of County cricket, to my knowledge no player has played for any two of Yorkshire/Lancashire or Yorkshire/Surrey; similarly Middlesex, Surrey doesn’t exchange players; neither Lancashire, Notts.

At present, franchise cricket is just like previous PAK domestic cricket, where players are mercenaries, hired guns. May be, they should start (unofficially), create a loyal player base among four main teams (Multan & Quetta will remain side kicks of Lahore & Karachi for long) and try to pick as many local players as possible.

Babar, Akmal bros, Wahab for LQ; Amir, Imad for Pindi/I’bad; Shaheen, Rizwan, Shadab (he is from Mianwali, but close to Peshawar) for Peshawar, and the Karachi players at KK - that might create some rivalry but then that defies the logic of draft system.

 

[Local.Dada]

If PSL gets to the point where there are 2 teams from each region that will make it more intresting. Also there has to be relegations and things like these.

Keep for example 2 teams from each region the last 2 gets relegated each year and get a diffrent city next year for that place from the same region.

Have another league from where the teams can be picked from so you don't have to worry about that.
For this to work there has to be more owners for each of the teams. A bit like they do it in grass root tape ball tournaments.

Even a league like IPL doesn’t go beyond 8 teams even though they have experimented with 9 and 10
Teams in the past because the quality will be spread thin the more teams it has. This is the thinking of a league situated in one of the most populated countries in the world, the richest cricketing board in the world, there richest league in the world that has pretty much every cricketer at its disposal.

And you want PSL to have more teams? Why would you spread the quality thin? How will bringing in more 40+ cricketers or players from associate teams going to help PSL?

 

[silent ischemia]

For that you need a Pindi team as no inter city rivalry is bigger than Pindi vs Islamabad at the moment. The Pindi boys even disliked the superiority complexed islooites sharing our stadium and most of them cheered for the opposing teams

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

For that you need a Pindi team as no inter city rivalry is bigger than Pindi vs Islamabad at the moment. The Pindi boys even disliked the superiority complexed islooites sharing our stadium and most of them cheered for the opposing teams

any reports of adding a team next year?

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

PSL franchises need a local icon & few core players sticking with the franchise for long term. Also, may be not to trade players among their arch rivals - 1963, that’s almost 58 years back, was the last time when a player played for both Liverpool & ManU. In history of 127 years of County cricket, to my knowledge no player has played for any two of Yorkshire/Lancashire or Yorkshire/Surrey; similarly Middlesex, Surrey doesn’t exchange players; neither Lancashire, Notts.

At present, franchise cricket is just like previous PAK domestic cricket, where players are mercenaries, hired guns. May be, they should start (unofficially), create a loyal player base among four main teams (Multan & Quetta will remain side kicks of Lahore & Karachi for long) and try to pick as many local players as possible.

Babar, Akmal bros, Wahab for LQ; Amir, Imad for Pindi/I’bad; Shaheen, Rizwan, Shadab (he is from Mianwali, but close to Peshawar) for Peshawar, and the Karachi players at KK - that might create some rivalry but then that defies the logic of draft system.

are they not allowed to go into rival team?
or just their loyalty?

 

[silent ischemia]

PSL franchises need a local icon & few core players sticking with the franchise for long term. Also, may be not to trade players among their arch rivals - 1963, that’s almost 58 years back, was the last time when a player played for both Liverpool & ManU. In history of 127 years of County cricket, to my knowledge no player has played for any two of Yorkshire/Lancashire or Yorkshire/Surrey; similarly Middlesex, Surrey doesn’t exchange players; neither Lancashire, Notts.

At present, franchise cricket is just like previous PAK domestic cricket, where players are mercenaries, hired guns. May be, they should start (unofficially), create a loyal player base among four main teams (Multan & Quetta will remain side kicks of Lahore & Karachi for long) and try to pick as many local players as possible.

Babar, Akmal bros, Wahab for LQ; Amir, Imad for Pindi/I’bad; Shaheen, Rizwan, Shadab (he is from Mianwali, but close to Peshawar) for Peshawar, and the Karachi players at KK - that might create some rivalry but then that defies the logic of draft system.

Mianwali close to Peshawar? You got to be kidding me.
And Shadab might be from Mianwali but he played most of his cricket in Pindi

 

[silent ischemia]

any reports of adding a team next year?

Not heard of any as yet

 

[Rayyman]

PSL franchises need a local icon & few core players sticking with the franchise for long term. Also, may be not to trade players among their arch rivals - 1963, that’s almost 58 years back, was the last time when a player played for both Liverpool & ManU. In history of 127 years of County cricket, to my knowledge no player has played for any two of Yorkshire/Lancashire or Yorkshire/Surrey; similarly Middlesex, Surrey doesn’t exchange players; neither Lancashire, Notts.

At present, franchise cricket is just like previous PAK domestic cricket, where players are mercenaries, hired guns. May be, they should start (unofficially), create a loyal player base among four main teams (Multan & Quetta will remain side kicks of Lahore & Karachi for long) and try to pick as many local players as possible.

Babar, Akmal bros, Wahab for LQ; Amir, Imad for Pindi/I’bad; Shaheen, Rizwan, Shadab (he is from Mianwali, but close to Peshawar) for Peshawar, and the Karachi players at KK - that might create some rivalry but then that defies the logic of draft system.

Agreed. Make local teams with local captains.

Lahore:
Imam ul-Haq
Babar Azam*
Sohail Akhtar
Wahab Riaz
Zafar Gohar
Haris Rauf

Karachi:
Fakhar Zaman*
Azam Khan
Sarfraz Ahmed
Anwar Ali
Rumman Raees
Mohammad Hasnain

Peshawar:
Ahmed Shehzad
Khushdil Shah
Mohammad Rizwan*
Iftikhar Ahmed
Yasir Shah
Shaheen Shah Afridi

Islamabad:
Haider Ali
Shadab Khan
Imad Wasim*
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Musa Khan
Mohammad Amir

Multan:
Asif Ali
Shoaib Malik*
Aamer Yamin
Faheem Ashraf
Rahat Ali
Umer Khan

Quetta:
Shan Masood*
Sharjeel Khan
Mohammad Nawaz
Amad Butt
Usman Khan Shinwari
Naseem Shah

Teams will still draft, but in a fixed order:
Quetta, Multan, Peshawar, Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad

 

[Pakistanian]

Agreed. Make local teams with local captains.

Lahore:
Imam ul-Haq
Babar Azam*
Sohail Akhtar
Wahab Riaz
Zafar Gohar
Haris Rauf

Karachi:
Fakhar Zaman*
Azam Khan
Sarfraz Ahmed
Anwar Ali
Rumman Raees
Mohammad Hasnain

Peshawar:
Ahmed Shehzad
Khushdil Shah
Mohammad Rizwan*
Iftikhar Ahmed
Yasir Shah
Shaheen Shah Afridi

Islamabad:
Haider Ali
Shadab Khan
Imad Wasim*
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Musa Khan
Mohammad Amir

Multan:
Asif Ali
Shoaib Malik*
Aamer Yamin
Faheem Ashraf
Rahat Ali
Umer Khan

Quetta:
Shan Masood*
Sharjeel Khan
Mohammad Nawaz
Amad Butt
Usman Khan Shinwari
Naseem Shah

Teams will still draft, but in a fixed order:
Quetta, Multan, Peshawar, Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad

This is a bad idea, franchises are supposed to support diversity. The NBA, NFL, EPL and even the IPL don't care aout "local team", sign whoever you want and then help adopt the new city.

 

[Pakistanian]

Lahore vs Karachi is an age old rivalry, I think you have to be of Pakistani descent in order to understand the nuance.

 

[Rayyman]

This is a bad idea, franchises are supposed to support diversity. The NBA, NFL, EPL and even the IPL don't care aout "local team", sign whoever you want and then help adopt the new city.

I’m a fan and this is what I would like to see. It makes it a lottt better seeing local players playing.

Even now I’m sports u see players wanting to play for home franchises. For example, in the NBA, LeBron’s ring in Cleveland meant so much more, and Kawhi left the champion team to go home.

Sports are meant for pride and competition, businesses shouldn’t take away from that.

 

[Mamoon]

PSL franchises need a local icon & few core players sticking with the franchise for long term. Also, may be not to trade players among their arch rivals - 1963, that’s almost 58 years back, was the last time when a player played for both Liverpool & ManU. In history of 127 years of County cricket, to my knowledge no player has played for any two of Yorkshire/Lancashire or Yorkshire/Surrey; similarly Middlesex, Surrey doesn’t exchange players; neither Lancashire, Notts.

At present, franchise cricket is just like previous PAK domestic cricket, where players are mercenaries, hired guns. May be, they should start (unofficially), create a loyal player base among four main teams (Multan & Quetta will remain side kicks of Lahore & Karachi for long) and try to pick as many local players as possible.

Babar, Akmal bros, Wahab for LQ; Amir, Imad for Pindi/I’bad; Shaheen, Rizwan, Shadab (he is from Mianwali, but close to Peshawar) for Peshawar, and the Karachi players at KK - that might create some rivalry but then that defies the logic of draft system.

Mianwali is 5 hours drive from Peshawar and about 3 hours from Pindi/Islamabad.

Besides, Shadab played most of his club cricket in Rawalpindi.

 

[MMHS]

I had not much idea about where Mianwali is - map showed on the edge of Punjab border . He seems to be at right team then, but Amir, Imad should also join him.

In pro soccer, there is transfer mechanism, which allows certain team not to trade/sell their players to certain clubs - big rivals hardly trade among themselves. In 2008, Rafa tried his best to buy Gabriel Hyenge, Sir Alex sold him to Italy at lower price so that Liverpool can’t buy him and he doesn’t join Liverpool six months later as a free agent. Luis Figo is probably last Barca player to join Real .... and it took a world record fee.

In North American sports, the concept is a bit different. Here, clubs are a franchise of a sports brand and the owner can relocate the club in different city & they can change the name as well. For example, Minneapolis Lakers are now at LA, Vancouver Grizzlies are at Memphis now, Settle Supersonics are OKC Thunder; Oakland Raiders will become Las Vegas Raiders, Houston Oilers are now Tennessee Titans, Montreal Exposes have moved to Washington, DC ...... so on. And, in North American sports, there is a wage cap, which often forces franchise/clubs to trade players regardless of the rivalry status to manage their books. Still, in NBA Celtics don’t trade with Lakers; in NFL Eagles don’t trade with Steelers, Dolphins don’t trade with Buccaneers; in MLB Yankees don’t trade with Red Sox or Mets, Cubs don’t trade with White Sox.....

I think, eventually, it’s impossible to build a team from own city players or block fringe players to move to rivals, but few Icons can be kept for long term and be blocked to join rival club (s). In PSL, there can be only two such rivalry- LQ v KK and may be North-west rivalry between IU v PZ. Once, Baloochs produce enough local players, may be QG v LQ/IU will be another one. But, at present there is only one and that started probably before birth of Christ in different names - it’ll always be there.

 

[Local.Dada]

Rivalry happens organically. This is not WWE wrestling for the management to manufacture or create a storyline or rivalry

Here are some examples of how rivalries are formed

CSK and MI are huge rivals because they are hands down the 2 best teams in IPL and they have the most rabid fan base. They have a core set of identifiable players that fans invest in.

SRH and RCB have a rivalry because they have met in multiple knockouts. Constantly facing off in high profile games

RCB and CSK have a rivalry because the 2 states have been engaged in water dispute historically, so even if the players have nothing to do with it, the political dispute has turned into kind of a cricketing rivalry.



rivalries develop over a while.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

i dont think our public is ready for inter city rivalary lol

might end up being worse than East-Ham and Milwill (english football)

so no thank u .. the current friction is enough

 

[Syed1]

Karachi vs Lahore is timeless rivalry in every aspect of life and not just sport.


I think if Pindi had a team they would have a rivalry with everyone else LOL


PZ vs QG was developing into a very nice PSL rivalry because of the performance of both sides being above and beyond most sides in the last 4 seasons. However, this season both of them aren't doing as well so the rivalry doesn't seem to have the same edge.

 

[DRsohail]

Karachi vs Lahore is timeless rivalry in every aspect of life and not just sport.


I think if Pindi had a team they would have a rivalry with everyone else LOL


PZ vs QG was developing into a very nice PSL rivalry because of the performance of both sides being above and beyond most sides in the last 4 seasons. However, this season both of them aren't doing as well so the rivalry doesn't seem to have the same edge.

LQ VS KK was most watched game this year I yhink. None Can beat this rivalry.

 

[Asifnow]

No offense but an Indian not understanding domestic Pakistani rivalries is not surprising and probably not the best person to start the thread lol

Living among Pakistanis...there are definite rivalries. Nowhere near the level of club football rivalries but that will never be the case.

 

[RickyG]

I’m from Karachi and I hate Lahore with a passion. I hate seeing them do well and would be happy if their franchise went out of business.

Also Quetta and Peshawar is a bit of a grudge match. You have people on team Peshawar (Wahab/Kami) that don’t like Sarfraz/Moin.

 

[silent ischemia]

I had not much idea about where Mianwali is - map showed on the edge of Punjab border . He seems to be at right team then, but Amir, Imad should also join him.

In pro soccer, there is transfer mechanism, which allows certain team not to trade/sell their players to certain clubs - big rivals hardly trade among themselves. In 2008, Rafa tried his best to buy Gabriel Hyenge, Sir Alex sold him to Italy at lower price so that Liverpool can’t buy him and he doesn’t join Liverpool six months later as a free agent. Luis Figo is probably last Barca player to join Real .... and it took a world record fee.

In North American sports, the concept is a bit different. Here, clubs are a franchise of a sports brand and the owner can relocate the club in different city & they can change the name as well. For example, Minneapolis Lakers are now at LA, Vancouver Grizzlies are at Memphis now, Settle Supersonics are OKC Thunder; Oakland Raiders will become Las Vegas Raiders, Houston Oilers are now Tennessee Titans, Montreal Exposes have moved to Washington, DC ...... so on. And, in North American sports, there is a wage cap, which often forces franchise/clubs to trade players regardless of the rivalry status to manage their books. Still, in NBA Celtics don’t trade with Lakers; in NFL Eagles don’t trade with Steelers, Dolphins don’t trade with Buccaneers; in MLB Yankees don’t trade with Red Sox or Mets, Cubs don’t trade with White Sox.....

I think, eventually, it’s impossible to build a team from own city players or block fringe players to move to rivals, but few Icons can be kept for long term and be blocked to join rival club (s). In PSL, there can be only two such rivalry- LQ v KK and may be North-west rivalry between IU v PZ. Once, Baloochs produce enough local players, may be QG v LQ/IU will be another one. But, at present there is only one and that started probably before birth of Christ in different names - it’ll always be there.

IU vs PZ is no rivalry. There are already more PZ supporters in the twin cities than IU due to the large Pukhtoon population in the area. QG vs PZ can be a good rivalry due to the ETHNICALLY DIFFERENT Pakhtoon populations in the two cities

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

I’m from Karachi and I hate Lahore with a passion. I hate seeing them do well and would be happy if their franchise went out of business.

Also Quetta and Peshawar is a bit of a grudge match. You have people on team Peshawar (Wahab/Kami) that don’t like Sarfraz/Moin.

Quetta team don't like wahab it seems.Wahab had fight with Ahmed shehzad and in previous season he had altercation with sarfraz loser ahmed and in this season Jason Roy said few things about him.wahab made these losers look like fool.

 

[Sami92]

IMO Rawalpindi needs to have a team next time.

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

Maybe bring afghan players in the mix to create some drama

 

[watson367]

Maybe bring afghan players in the mix to create some drama

i second this

 

[b.lesner]

IMO Rawalpindi needs to have a team next time.

There is already islamabad for pindi boys, what next Attock?

What about kashmir, gilgit baltistan, interior sind etc?

 

[ChTab]

Basically they should add 2 more teams, & those 2 teams should be from Lahore & Karachi so that there would be 2 teams of largest cities of Pakistan. It would create more derbies like both karachi teams would be competing to claim the naming rights of Karachi and same would be the case with Lahore.

 

[CHETAH]

Give them guns ,Loads of Mc bc ,Make them wear humongous Mustache

I mean what else shenanigans you will do to be on par with Ipl in your own head.

 

[shamaan]

Their should be a team from kashmir