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Lead has already crossed 60 runs and west indies still has 9 wickets remaining..
What target can Pakistan easily chase on this pitch??
What target can Pakistan easily chase on this pitch??
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Nay... this team is too weak mentally... They will think that this pitch is a minefield and will crumbleCan they even chase is the question
Pakistan just needs 254 runs. A easy win is loading for pakistan.Even 400 can be chased when you have guys like Rizwan and Shakeel in your lineup
I will say much worse than the start.pcb removed kirsten and Gillespie unceremoniously .no credible foreign coach will not come to pak for atleast another 5 years.Einstein aqib idea is going to be ridiculed now.A terrible WTC cycle ending precisely as it started, in crisis & without a future roadmap.
I will say much worse than the start.pcb removed kirsten and Gillespie unceremoniously .no credible foreign coach will not come to pak for atleast another 5 years.Einstein aqib idea is going to be ridiculed now.
I quite liked Aqib's pre match press conference. But like a seasoned politician, he spoke well but the team did not back up his words in this match.I will say much worse than the start.pcb removed kirsten and Gillespie unceremoniously .no credible foreign coach will not come to pak for atleast another 5 years.Einstein aqib idea is going to be ridiculed now.
Enjoyed ur post bro .It is clear to me that favorable conditions do not help you win unless you are good enough to win without them. Pak hasn't tasted victory in test cricket for a while so when they won a couple of tests using spinning conditions, they thought they had cracked the code & will become the next India. This is a fallacy & it's getting rightly debunked as India built their legacy on solid fundamentals & quality players. Even the team of 90s that didn't have a great away record had solid core of batters who had the potential to out bat any opposition anywhere.
If Pak somehow did well against Windies, the next few series in WTC cycle would have been a rude awakening to them when teams with better spinners were supposed to visit. England played in a manner which was disrespectful to the game & their bowling was atrocious. A half decent spinner here has shown how terrible England was in these conditions.
You cannot win tests with ordinary players & Pak has a plethora of them & unfortunately this is the bitter truth. You get good players because of good systems or freak generational talents & we have neither. Our domestic cricket is ordinary & they further diluted it by adding more teams that will inflate averages & ordinary players will look like world beaters. No one takes us seriously as a test team but most people in management positions as well as fans have their head in the clouds which is why we seldom improve.
Mind you, I do not mind negative results because all I want from my team is that they fight & show improvement instead of bullying weaker opposition & getting steamrolled by better teams. The pursuit of excellence is a journey that's its own reward but it never happens in Pak cricket. Every tournament or series loss is followed by superficial changes, stupid statements, angry tv shows, & the circus continues as before. Shan will be the scapegoat here but the problem is not skin deep & that's what frustrates me & that's why I lose my interest in cricket from time to time.
Long reply post, apologies for that.
Historically PCB/Pakistan cricket has fetish for "short cuts". Similar to how they believed 10 day camp at Military camp would magically turn everyone into an athlete. There is no organized approach to solve a problem. No principles, fundamentals. They didn't have a stance on players who were involved in fixing matches. When they needed them , "its okay we can play them". This is one of those "short cuts" to solve a problemIt is clear to me that favorable conditions do not help you win unless you are good enough to win without them. Pak hasn't tasted victory in test cricket for a while so when they won a couple of tests using spinning conditions, they thought they had cracked the code & will become the next India. This is a fallacy & it's getting rightly debunked as India built their legacy on solid fundamentals & quality players. Even the team of 90s that didn't have a great away record had solid core of batters who had the potential to out bat any opposition anywhere.
If Pak somehow did well against Windies, the next few series in WTC cycle would have been a rude awakening to them when teams with better spinners were supposed to visit. England played in a manner which was disrespectful to the game & their bowling was atrocious. A half decent spinner here has shown how terrible England was in these conditions.
You cannot win tests with ordinary players & Pak has a plethora of them & unfortunately this is the bitter truth. You get good players because of good systems or freak generational talents & we have neither. Our domestic cricket is ordinary & they further diluted it by adding more teams that will inflate averages & ordinary players will look like world beaters. No one takes us seriously as a test team but most people in management positions as well as fans have their head in the clouds which is why we seldom improve.
Mind you, I do not mind negative results because all I want from my team is that they fight & show improvement instead of bullying weaker opposition & getting steamrolled by better teams. The pursuit of excellence is a journey that's its own reward but it never happens in Pak cricket. Every tournament or series loss is followed by superficial changes, stupid statements, angry tv shows, & the circus continues as before. Shan will be the scapegoat here but the problem is not skin deep & that's what frustrates me & that's why I lose my interest in cricket from time to time.
Long reply post, apologies for that.
Historically PCB/Pakistan cricket has fetish for "short cuts". Similar to how they believed 10 day camp at Military camp would magically turn everyone into an athlete. There is no organized approach to solve a problem. No principles, fundamentals. They didn't have a stance on players who were involved in fixing matches. When they needed them , "its okay we can play them". This is one of those "short cuts" to solve a problem
In your entire monologue, you made a few weak assumptions, but the most glaring one is claiming that WI has better spinners than England. Seriously? J Leach is miles ahead of these average WI spinners.It is clear to me that favorable conditions do not help you win unless you are good enough to win without them. Pak hasn't tasted victory in test cricket for a while so when they won a couple of tests using spinning conditions, they thought they had cracked the code & will become the next India. This is a fallacy & it's getting rightly debunked as India built their legacy on solid fundamentals & quality players. Even the team of 90s that didn't have a great away record had solid core of batters who had the potential to out bat any opposition anywhere.
If Pak somehow did well against Windies, the next few series in WTC cycle would have been a rude awakening to them when teams with better spinners were supposed to visit. England played in a manner which was disrespectful to the game & their bowling was atrocious. A half decent spinner here has shown how terrible England was in these conditions.
You cannot win tests with ordinary players & Pak has a plethora of them & unfortunately this is the bitter truth. You get good players because of good systems or freak generational talents & we have neither. Our domestic cricket is ordinary & they further diluted it by adding more teams that will inflate averages & ordinary players will look like world beaters. No one takes us seriously as a test team but most people in management positions as well as fans have their head in the clouds which is why we seldom improve.
Mind you, I do not mind negative results because all I want from my team is that they fight & show improvement instead of bullying weaker opposition & getting steamrolled by better teams. The pursuit of excellence is a journey that's its own reward but it never happens in Pak cricket. Every tournament or series loss is followed by superficial changes, stupid statements, angry tv shows, & the circus continues as before. Shan will be the scapegoat here but the problem is not skin deep & that's what frustrates me & that's why I lose my interest in cricket from time to time.
Long reply post, apologies for that.
In your entire monologue, you made a few weak assumptions, but the most glaring one is claiming that WI has better spinners than England. Seriously? J Leach is miles ahead of these average WI spinners.
England is a better test side than WI in every possible way. You’re just overreacting like everyone else.
The pitches for the WI series are completely different from the ones prepared for the England series.
Pakistan should go back to the kind of pitches used in the England series—offering less for spinners and more for batters. This greenhouse method is an Overkill. These WI pitches demand no real skill from spinners.
**Fact Check of Fact Check No. 1:**Fact check 1:
Jack Leach - test average: 34
Moti - test average: 28 (excluding the current test which will definitely improve his average even further)
Fact check 2:
Never stated that England is worse or better than Windies, just stated that England adopted a mindless strategy that was disrespectful to cricket & lost because of that. Not a single batter tried to apply himself, Smith came in at 6 down or something & charged Sajid like a rampaging bull without even getting a feel for conditions.
Fact check 3:
This is not an overreaction to this test (we may even win it from here), it's just this statement that a good team has good players, we don't have many good players especially batters. Huraira, Shan, Kamran, Agha, & current Babar are not good batters. If you think they are, then no point in talking on this anymore.