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What was so great about MS Dhoni's 91* in the 2011 World Cup final?

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I've asked this on and off over the years, but here's a thread for it. I have never managed to fathom the more than needed praise for what was essentially a half-century from a #5 coming in during a relatively benign situation right from the night of the game itself - when he was awarded Man of the Match for the knock. Good knock and all that especially in the pressure cooker environment of the cup final but...

the real credit should have gone to Gambhir, who came in at 0/1 chasing 270+ and soon lost Tendulkar as well, and he had to firefight right through the period and take it to a more stable zone of 114/3 which is when Dhoni walked in. Yes, he scored a shade slower but it was the more high pressure knock of the two for mine.

Maybe if it had been a hundred...
 
I've asked this on and off over the years, but here's a thread for it. I have never managed to fathom the more than needed praise for what was essentially a half-century from a #5 coming in during a relatively benign situation right from the night of the game itself - when he was awarded Man of the Match for the knock. Good knock and all that especially in the pressure cooker environment of the cup final but...

the real credit should have gone to Gambhir, who came in at 0/1 chasing 270+ and soon lost Tendulkar as well, and he had to firefight right through the period and take it to a more stable zone of 114/3 which is when Dhoni walked in. Yes, he scored a shade slower but it was the more high pressure knock of the two for mine.

Maybe if it had been a hundred...

So, how 9 runs more would make it greater than?
 
Gambhir should get credit but if you've been witness to Indian cricket during Pre-Dhoni era were India were setup beautifully for a chase only for the middle and lower order to fold you'd appreciate this knock a lot more. We're so used to winning by chasing that we don't value it anymore. Soon enough we'll realize his worth when he retires. We did get a glimpse in Asia cup.
 
i was shocked seeing gambhir speak about dhoni the way he spoke recently in a cricket show

He said how he was shocked seeing dhoni come out to bat rather than yuvi and gambhir also went onto say how yuvi would have scored more than dhoni and would have got a 100 as he was in great form

But i do agree with your thread in a way...Gambhir's knock was the match turning knock and he deserved the MOTM trophy however it was dissappointing seeing him talk like that about dhoni as dhoni's knock was important as well...maybe a tad over rated but it was still a VERY FINE KNOCK in a WC final
 
Apparently the grapevine is that this is what led to Gambhir's resentment anger and jealousy over MSD. And he is right, it was Gambhir who did all the hard work, consolidated aggressively after the early fall of Wickets, when Dhoni came to the crease, all the hard work had been done by Gambhir and Kohli, it was a simple straight forward chase from there.
 
Then again if you think about it and reflect on the way dhoni batted and took the attack to the opposition and pretty much removed any sliught chance of a lankan victory....i can still somehow make a case for dhoni for MOTM as well...its almost even i guess between dhoni and gambhir with maybe gambhir taking he edge....
 
The context of the situation. The world cup final, the captain promoting himself, playing a captain's knock, hitting a 6 to win it. Gambhir laid the groundwork, but Dhoni finished it most emphatically. And I don't necessarily agree that Gambhir's knock was under higher stress. Dhoni placed the responsibility of winning the WC on himself by coming up the order; not sure if you can beat that in terms of pressure.
 
It was a selfish innings. He promoted himself up the order so that he could steal the spotlight from Gambhir and player of the tournament Yuvraj.

The pitch was flat and India were cruising, if he knew it wouldn't be easy to bat he wouldn't have come out to bat.

For this reason, his status as a great finisher is overstated - can't do it against a good attack on a difficult pitch and difficult conditions.

Regards,

Typical Pakistani Fan.
 
I meant that perhaps if Gambhir's knock had been a 100, he would have got more recognition for his effort.

Alright, I thought you were saying that about Dhoni's innings.

I think Dhonis' innings is rated highly because he was able to finish the game, and he took a chance by promoting himself up the order. He put himself under huge pressure, had his tactic backfired, he would have been castigated for life. If Dhoni wasn't able to finish the game, it definitely would not have garnered that much appreciation. Agree with you about Gambhir's knock, it was special one as well.
 
Both were equally good.

Gambhir whether the early spell and consolidated but SL still had a chance. Dhoni took it away with his attack. Also Gambhir threw his wicket away whereas Dhoni finished it..
 
A bit like yesterday actually. Kohli came early and made a ton but it was Raina who made the most impact
 
Good thread Varun!

It was a good innings but it's all the over rating that goes around Dhoni that makes it so great.

Ghambir won the match for India with Dhoni helping him. No RRR pressure, no wickets pressure, no good bowling pressure, no pitch pressure.
And I rate Dhoni's innings as the third best of the match after Jaya's and Ghambir's and is nowhere near the list of all time great innings.
 
Good thread Varun!

It was a good innings but it's all the over rating that goes around Dhoni that makes it so great.

Ghambir won the match for India with Dhoni helping him. No RRR pressure, no wickets pressure, no good bowling pressure, no pitch pressure.
And I rate Dhoni's innings as the third best of the match after Jaya's and Ghambir's and is nowhere near the list of all time great innings.
RRR was still 6 when he came in with 28 overs to go
 
gambhir shud hav got the man of the match award in place of dhoni.....actually i didnt find dhoni got beaten even once in that innings...it was a very easy chase from that point of time it seemed
 
While I agree Gambhir's innings should be equally recognized, I don't see what is wrong with hyping up what MS did that night.

MS Dhoni played his role perfectly, the under-performing hero who puts his hand up and comes to rescue in the final act. Don't for a moment forget the pressure of batting out in the middle of Wankhede. Not to undermine Yuvi or question his ability, but MS just calmed all the nerves once he reached 20+
 
Yeah but Raina only made that impact because Kohli along with Dhawan built a solid foundation.
Of course. All did their job. If you gonna approve of a finishers innings only when team is 40-4 then it will always look poor
 
RRR was still 6 when he came in with 28 overs to go

It's why it's a good innings and not a nothing innings!

I will take Yuvraj Singh's innings in Quarter Final vs Australia anyway over Dhoni's innings. At least it wasn't flat, and bowlers were quite good.
 
Of course. All did their job. If you gonna approve of a finishers innings only when team is 40-4 then it will always look poor

Worked out perfectly :D I love the balance of our team. Still missing Bhuvi though, not completely sold on Ajinkya.
 
Go back to the match. Kohli got out around the 22nd over, Murali and Dilshan had started to bowl and the ball was turning and bouncing. Kohli got out after playing a couple of false shots. We needed around 6 an over with 8-9 overs of Murali to go. Pressure of a chase was quite visible as both Gambhir and Dhoni had a quiet time for 5-6 overs, leading edges, inside edges, nervy pokes you had it all. Gradually, Dhoni took total control over Murali and Mallinga, the two bowlers who could have derailed our innings.

Also, what adds to the aura of the knock is the audacity of the decision. Which captain gambles by changing the batting order in a WC final chase. Imagine the brickbrats had the move backfired.

In hind sight we can say anything we want, but on that evening no one complained that Dhoni was the MoM, captain of the WC winning side, 91* and a six to win the cup. It truly is a special knock.
 
Go back to the match. Kohli got out around the 22nd over, Murali and Dilshan had started to bowl and the ball was turning and bouncing. Kohli got out after playing a couple of false shots. We needed around 6 an over with 8-9 overs of Murali to go. Pressure of a chase was quite visible as both Gambhir and Dhoni had a quiet time for 5-6 overs, leading edges, inside edges, nervy pokes you had it all. Gradually, Dhoni took total control over Murali and Mallinga, the two bowlers who could have derailed our innings.

Also, what adds to the aura of the knock is the audacity of the decision. Which captain gambles by changing the batting order in a WC final chase. Imagine the brickbrats had the move backfired.

In hind sight we can say anything we want, but on that evening no one complained that Dhoni was the MoM, captain of the WC winning side, 91* and a six to win the cup. It truly is a special knock.
Exactly.
 
Go back to the match. Kohli got out around the 22nd over, Murali and Dilshan had started to bowl and the ball was turning and bouncing. Kohli got out after playing a couple of false shots. We needed around 6 an over with 8-9 overs of Murali to go. Pressure of a chase was quite visible as both Gambhir and Dhoni had a quiet time for 5-6 overs, leading edges, inside edges, nervy pokes you had it all. Gradually, Dhoni took total control over Murali and Mallinga, the two bowlers who could have derailed our innings.

Also, what adds to the aura of the knock is the audacity of the decision. Which captain gambles by changing the batting order in a WC final chase. Imagine the brickbrats had the move backfired.

In hind sight we can say anything we want, but on that evening no one complained that Dhoni was the MoM, captain of the WC winning side, 91* and a six to win the cup. It truly is a special knock.

/thread
 
Again, I think even that part of him 'changing the batting order' is overstated a touch. He pushed himself to #5 from #6, it's not like he walked out at 1-down a la that 183* knock he played vs Lanka all those years ago.
 
Go back to the match. Kohli got out around the 22nd over, Murali and Dilshan had started to bowl and the ball was turning and bouncing. Kohli got out after playing a couple of false shots. We needed around 6 an over with 8-9 overs of Murali to go. Pressure of a chase was quite visible as both Gambhir and Dhoni had a quiet time for 5-6 overs, leading edges, inside edges, nervy pokes you had it all. Gradually, Dhoni took total control over Murali and Mallinga, the two bowlers who could have derailed our innings.

Also, what adds to the aura of the knock is the audacity of the decision. Which captain gambles by changing the batting order in a WC final chase. Imagine the brickbrats had the move backfired.

In hind sight we can say anything we want, but on that evening no one complained that Dhoni was the MoM, captain of the WC winning side, 91* and a six to win the cup. It truly is a special knock.

Exactly . Dhoni himself has played quite a few innings which are far superior in terms of quality ,but this was something else , a WC final and pull of something else . you got to understand cricket beyond stats guru to get this .
 
Go back to the match. Kohli got out around the 22nd over, Murali and Dilshan had started to bowl and the ball was turning and bouncing. Kohli got out after playing a couple of false shots. We needed around 6 an over with 8-9 overs of Murali to go. Pressure of a chase was quite visible as both Gambhir and Dhoni had a quiet time for 5-6 overs, leading edges, inside edges, nervy pokes you had it all. Gradually, Dhoni took total control over Murali and Mallinga, the two bowlers who could have derailed our innings.

Also, what adds to the aura of the knock is the audacity of the decision. Which captain gambles by changing the batting order in a WC final chase. Imagine the brickbrats had the move backfired.

In hind sight we can say anything we want, but on that evening no one complained that Dhoni was the MoM, captain of the WC winning side, 91* and a six to win the cup. It truly is a special knock.

Brilliant post.
 
Again, I think even that part of him 'changing the batting order' is overstated a touch. He pushed himself to #5 from #6, it's not like he walked out at 1-down a la that 183* knock he played vs Lanka all those years ago.

Its means everything in a WC final match.
 
Although I am a fan of Dhoni this has always struck me as a bit of an overrated innings. On that pitch it was hardly a super-difficult total to chase and the 'promotion up the order' as Varun has said was barely a sidestep. A good innings for sure, but he himself has played better as have many others.

In that World Cup alone, Andrew Strauss scoring a sensational giga-hundred to tie the match after India (in India) had racked up 340-odd was far more skilful, ballsy and uncanny - and sadly, also, far more forgotten.
 
I think this is the season of Dhoni bashing and undermining Dhoni's impact. We can see him retiring pretty soon. That was truly a special knock. I remember watching that game and when Kohli got out, the game was still in balance and could have gone either way. Even though Dhoni promoting himself would have been a tactical decision as Gambhir was a lefty and Yuvi is also a lefty. Murali bowling, he would have wanted to keep the right-left combination going in the middle. Also everyone knows Yuvraj's woes starting against spinners, he isn't that fluent.
 
For all those calling the pitch flat, well 2 weeks ago on the same pitch, batting first SL made 265 and rolled over NZ for 153, Murali was unplayable.

Wankhede is not your typical Indian road. Seamers gets swing and seam and spinner get a lot of bounce and sharp turn. Chase under the lights has always been a problem there. IIRC the 275 we chased in the final was the first time any team had successfully chased 250+ ever at Wankhede.
 
WC final and chasing a huge total. Murali and Malinga were bowling well. Dhoni came ahead despite Yuvraj being in gun form due to mainly one reason. Despite not doing well in tournament , Dhoni felt that he was better equipped to face Murali and Malinga.

Dhoni literally closed the door on SL totally by playing a dominating inning. If I am right then it was the highest chase in WC finals. It was one of the best knocks in WC under pressure. Angry fella also played very well and it was a very good knock. But it should be extremely easy for any serious cricket fan to see what was special about Dhoni's knock.

Here is some clue for folks who don't get it.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...late=results;trophy=12;type=team;view=innings

It's entire knockout match list which has been successfully chased in WC in entire history. This one was WC final.
 
Nothing TBH. The MOM match should have been Gambhir. Dhoni just took the credits for what Gambhir did.

It wasn't for Gambhir India might have lost the match.

Kula, why the hell did you drop Gambhir(possibly the WC) ? :mv
 
Just to add to that bit of Dhoni walking in at 114/3, both him and Gambhir had a 100+ run partnership before Gambhir finally exited at 223/4. Basically, Gambhir saw it through from 0 to 223 in a chase of 275.
 
Dhoni apart from that innings had a run-out and a caught behind under his name.

Captain + 50 over wicket keeping (with a catch and run-out) + 91 with 118 SR and making sure the team crossed the line.

It was not a bad decision in my book.
 
Nothing TBH. The MOM match should have been Gambhir. Dhoni just took the credits for what Gambhir did.

It wasn't for Gambhir India might have lost the match.

Kula, why the hell did you drop Gambhir(possibly the WC) ? :mv

Another underrated aspect of your defeat was the tuk tuk by the top 3, especially Tharanga. Ugliest knock of the World Cup.

In spite of Mahela's brilliant finish and Perera taking the bowlers to the cleaners, you were 30-40 runs short. That was a 310-315 pitch.
 
Just to add to that bit of Dhoni walking in at 114/3, both him and Gambhir had a 100+ run partnership before Gambhir finally exited at 223/4. Basically, Gambhir saw it through from 0 to 223 in a chase of 275.

Ask Richie Richardson, under pressure how difficult it is to score even 30 runs with 6-7 wickets in hand and a champion bowler at the other end.
 
Just to add to that bit of Dhoni walking in at 114/3, both him and Gambhir had a 100+ run partnership before Gambhir finally exited at 223/4. Basically, Gambhir saw it through from 0 to 223 in a chase of 275.

Two players played very good knocks. If you feel that Gambhir's knock was better then that's one thing but your opening post has,

" praise for what was essentially a half-century from a #5 coming in during a relatively benign situation "

Had me in chuckles.
 
Another underrated aspect of your defeat was the tuk tuk by the top 3, especially Tharanga. Ugliest knock of the World Cup.

In spite of Mahela's brilliant finish and Perera taking the bowlers to the cleaners, you were 30-40 runs short. That was a 310-315 pitch.

still it was a good total at the end. And Malinga got both Sehwag 'n SRT cheap. India were in trouble n must have been under extreme pressure. But we just let it slip by dropping Gambhir who took India to safe.

It hurts that we lost that match. Its also kinda annoying that the man who took the game away from us isn't getting any credits for it.
 
still it was a good total at the end. And Malinga got both Sehwag 'n SRT cheap. India were in trouble n must have been under extreme pressure. But we just let it slip by dropping Gambhir who took India to safe.

It hurts that we lost that match. Its also kinda annoying that the man who took the game away from us isn't getting any credits for it.

yeah right . Pretty much tells us whos knock hurt you the most
 
yeah right . Pretty much tells us whos knock hurt you the most

Dude, it wasn't for Gambhir, your players wouldn't have left the ground alive, let alone winning the cup.

You MSD fanboys probably wanna give all the credits to Dhoni. But Gambhir made all it possible for Dhoni to play like a millionaire.
 
Not sure what you all are on about. It was a really good knock and won India the game. Gambhir played a great innings too but I also would've given the MoM to Dhoni. Strike rate was impressive and truth is, the match was already in India's hand at the stage Gambhir got out, but thats the wrong way to look at it. If you see the stage Dhoni entered, he too needed to keep his wicket or else India might have been in trouble. So he also, like Gambhir, stayed at the crease when India needed it and then impressively improved his strike rate to above 100 and then to top it off was there at the end to make sure they get to the finish line. IMO stepped up to the plate to calm down the nerves of his team. Fully deserved MOM.
 
Good innings but overhyped. Especially when people use that one knock to say that Dhoni is an amazing WC player, totally ignoring his otherwise mediocre record in World Cup matches.
 
It was special because he closed the deal and took India over the line.

It's a bit like meeting a hot chick at a bar - you introduce yourself, get through the small talk, general mind numbing flirting etc. Now if you don't know how to close the deal, you've basically wasted your and her time.
 
Dude, it wasn't for Gambhir, your players wouldn't have left the ground alive, let alone winning the cup.

You MSD fanboys probably wanna give all the credits to Dhoni. But Gambhir made all it possible for Dhoni to play like a millionaire.


Do you realize India actually defended 250 totals with its poor bowling attack in semis and quarters . Thats how difficult it is finishing matches in KOs let alone the WC final . GG played well , no ones taking away the credit from him , but when you chase totals it makes batsmen do funny things . GG himself threw his wicket away getting excited . Thats the differnce between a good player and a great one .
 
Dhoni came in because the final was fixed. Even Harbhajan Singh would've come in and won India that match.
Gambhir is not kidding when he said Yuvraj would've done it better and quicker than Dhoni.
He knew India was supposed to win regardless of whoever came.
Suspicious was the fact that Sangakarra had the nerve to drop his best spinner Mendes and play 2 medium pacers.
Shocking tactics.
 
Another underrated aspect of your defeat was the tuk tuk by the top 3, especially Tharanga. Ugliest knock of the World Cup.

In spite of Mahela's brilliant finish and Perera taking the bowlers to the cleaners, you were 30-40 runs short. That was a 310-315 pitch.

It was India's WC. They were clearly a better team, There was Shehwag, Sachin, Gambhir, Dhoni, Kohli, Inform Yuvi, Zaheer, Bhaji and so on. SL got lucky beating England who always struggled against us, then beat NZ in semis because NZ can't play crap in slow pitch to save their lives and bam we were in final. Murali played through injury, Mathews was ruled out, as a replacement we flew Vaas & Randiv , Vaas who was creaming everyone in country with bat and ball was forced to sit and Randiv who was in bad form in FC was given the chance. SL's middle order was far worse, tuk tuk Samaraweera and crappy as Crapugedara were in the team. India was clearly the better team, regardless of the pitch and they won.
 
It was a selfish innings. He promoted himself up the order so that he could steal the spotlight from Gambhir and player of the tournament Yuvraj.

The pitch was flat and India were cruising, if he knew it wouldn't be easy to bat he wouldn't have come out to bat.

For this reason, his status as a great finisher is overstated - can't do it against a good attack on a difficult pitch and difficult conditions.

Regards,

Typical Pakistani Fan.

Yuvi struggles against anything that goes away, SL had Murali and Randiv both offies who would have taken the ball away from Raina and Yuvi. Dhoni was very consistent during that period, it made sense that he chose to come up, wouldn't say selfish at all. I took thought Gambhir the game away from SL more than Dhoni did.
 
It was special because he closed the deal and took India over the line.

It's a bit like meeting a hot chick at a bar - you introduce yourself, get through the small talk, general mind numbing flirting etc. Now if you don't know how to close the deal, you've basically wasted your and her time.

Wrong analogy. Cricket is more like a relay where different players passing the baton. Praising only the one who crosses the line is like giving gold medal only to the 4th runner in a relay
 
Over rated innings and a notorious parosi kissing up to the Indians as usual is not going to change that. Gautam Gambhir is the one who was the true hero in this match. Personally i sympathize with his resentment against MSD, Dhoni took too much credit and got all the glory for that knock.
 
Do you realize India actually defended 250 totals with its poor bowling attack in semis and quarters . Thats how difficult it is finishing matches in KOs let alone the WC final . GG played well , no ones taking away the credit from him , but when you chase totals it makes batsmen do funny things . GG himself threw his wicket away getting excited . Thats the differnce between a good player and a great one .

Indian defended low totals as it had the distinct advantage of playing in front of a home crowd which puts 10X pressure on the opposition. Of course that can be a double-edged sword if we play really bad.

I love how you are going the opposite direction here and putting down Gambhir's innings. An opener's job is different. Dhoni couldn't have played the innings Gambhir did, just like Gambhir couldn't finish like Dhoni

And no this is nothing to do with being a great player or not. Dhoni excels in his role as a finisher. Other players excel in their position. Just because it is human bias to think more fondly about the person who crosses the line, doesn't make it all important. It is just that we associate it more with victory because in our mind it is the point where victory happened. Just like the striker gets most credit in football and the last runner in a relay gets the most photo opportunity after crossing the line

BTW, I am pretty sure we would have won that game no matter who player well as it was Sri Lanka and our batsmen are very confident against them, particularly at home.
 
On this day 9 years ago....MS Dhoni played this legendary innings :)
 
One of the most over rated innings, that's the only great thing about it.

Dont' deserve even a mention in the great world cup innings.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just a reminder <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ESPNcricinfo</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/worldcup2011?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#worldcup2011</a> was won by entire India, entire Indian team & all support staff. High time you hit your obsession for a SIX. <a href="https://t.co/WPRPQdfJrV">pic.twitter.com/WPRPQdfJrV</a></p>— Gautam Gambhir (@GautamGambhir) <a href="https://twitter.com/GautamGambhir/status/1245562059309248513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The second best inning of that day. Usually, MS takes some time to get set but that day he came to bat and looked good from the start. It was a really high quality positive knock from him and the fact that he ensured he takes his team to win made it a special knock.

Gambhir's inning was actually even better but it didn't got the credit as much by casual fans or the other cricket websites which is why he has always been a bit bitter about it. Also the fact that he didn't lost his form too badly and was dropped from the team couple of years later might also be the reason of his bitterness.
 
Back in 2011, it was tough to score 6 runs per over. Especially with 1 ball. Trust me Dhoni's innings was great but so was the dwarf's innings.
 
The second best inning of that day. Usually, MS takes some time to get set but that day he came to bat and looked good from the start. It was a really high quality positive knock from him and the fact that he ensured he takes his team to win made it a special knock.

Gambhir's inning was actually even better but it didn't got the credit as much by casual fans or the other cricket websites which is why he has always been a bit bitter about it. Also the fact that he didn't lost his form too badly and was dropped from the team couple of years later might also be the reason of his bitterness.

Third best actually. Mahela's century was also better than Dhoni's innings. Unfortunately no one remembers as he lost the match.
 
nothing special. He is a great odi player but I absolutely despise the sight of him because we lost 8 0 on the trot away from home in test cricket. Nothing more embarrassing than that. test series rankings and victories especially away is a far greater achievement than a world cup triumpph. He dominated for 3 years as the number 1 test team but he kept prolonging the careers of all the old stalwarts instead of blooding youth. We lost the number 1 status in 2012 because of his pathetic selections and tactical nous or ineptness I should say.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just a reminder <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ESPNcricinfo</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/worldcup2011?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#worldcup2011</a> was won by entire India, entire Indian team & all support staff. High time you hit your obsession for a SIX. <a href="https://t.co/WPRPQdfJrV">pic.twitter.com/WPRPQdfJrV</a></p>— Gautam Gambhir (@GautamGambhir) <a href="https://twitter.com/GautamGambhir/status/1245562059309248513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


whatever he said is true
 
nothing special. He is a great odi player but I absolutely despise the sight of him because we lost 8 0 on the trot away from home in test cricket. Nothing more embarrassing than that. test series rankings and victories especially away is a far greater achievement than a world cup triumpph. He dominated for 3 years as the number 1 test team but he kept prolonging the careers of all the old stalwarts instead of blooding youth. We lost the number 1 status in 2012 because of his pathetic selections and tactical nous or ineptness I should say.

We didnt lose 8-0 in overseas tests due to Dhoni. We lost because we are not a good enough test team in SENA countries, never was and never will be. As soon as Indian fans can make peace with it, everything will be fine.

But winning a world cup was a massive achievement and Dhoni deserves all credit for it.
 
We didnt lose 8-0 in overseas tests due to Dhoni. We lost because we are not a good enough test team in SENA countries, never was and never will be. As soon as Indian fans can make peace with it, everything will be fine.

But winning a world cup was a massive achievement and Dhoni deserves all credit for it.

we have won and drew in australia before. We are a more than good enough team to win in SENA lol. we have won in englsnd before too. We have won everywhere except s.a. We came close there in 2018. Only a matter of time.

dhoni was the reason for our decline in 2012- 2014. He was the sole reason because he dint blood youth, dint give enough opportunities to talented fast bowlers. He picked his favourites and paid the price. He also let oldies stay for too long.

I don't give a Damn about a world cup. it means absolutely f all compared to a test number 1 status or winning and dominating in tests (both home and away).

Nothing beats tests.
 
Had yuvi come in there would have been two left handers
dilshan and murali two offspinners bowling. The risk of India losing a wicket would be high.

The left right combination worked + dhoni negated the threat of murali. That is what made the run chase easy.

A very very good innings. Nothing to take away from Yuvraj, who I think is a far better batsmen than Dhoni, but a left hander vs murali is always high risk no matter how great of a form. If you have an equal right hand batsmen who plays spin well. I would use hima gainst murali than Yuvi
 
dhoni never gave enough importance to test cricket as he did for odi. Poor test captain. Great odi captain.

Not a legend. Never will be. Dint dominate in tests cricket.
 
nothing special. He is a great odi player but I absolutely despise the sight of him because we lost 8 0 on the trot away from home in test cricket. Nothing more embarrassing than that. test series rankings and victories especially away is a far greater achievement than a world cup triumpph. He dominated for 3 years as the number 1 test team but he kept prolonging the careers of all the old stalwarts instead of blooding youth. We lost the number 1 status in 2012 because of his pathetic selections and tactical nous or ineptness I should say.

so basically it was nothing special due to he lost test matches 8-0 away.. :14::14::14:
 
Dhoni's 91* was the most important innings in Indian cricket history. He came under pressure against Murli, Malinga and co. and there was a threat of a collapse when he came, with runrate climbing. He absorbed the pressure on one end allowing Yuvi to play freely. This is something true leaders would do, promote themselves to absorb the pressure. That's exactly what MSD did.
 
Way too overrated really. It was a good knock sure but it's hyped way too much on SM. He came in when spinners were operating in due and played well.

Gambhir's knock deserves more praise. Under immense pressure after losing Sachin and sehwag he played positively and settled the nerves for guys next to come.
 
so basically it was nothing special due to he lost test matches 8-0 away.. :14::14::14:

No because he was not a great test captain numbnut.

I already said he is a great odi legend. But to be a an ATG you have to be a test legend which he isn't.
 
Dhoni brought himself up when Yuvraj was in great form. Gambhir had set the chase up after losing both openers and at the time of Kohli's departure, they needed less than 6 per over (IN MUMBAI lol).

The arguments to be had is: 1) Did Gambhir deserve MoM > Dhoni and 2) Did Dhoni steal Yuvraj's shine?

While yes, I believe Gambhir deserved MoM and yes, Yuvraj should've still came at his position (with Raina sitting behind the both of them). But come on, let's not act like 91 not out from 79 balls in the biggest stage of the sport isn't a brilliant innings -- it might not be a top 5 clutch innings or anything like that, but now that it is said and done -- it is one of the most memorable Indian batting performances in their team's history.
 
Way too overrated really. It was a good knock sure but it's hyped way too much on SM. He came in when spinners were operating in due and played well.

Gambhir's knock deserves more praise. Under immense pressure after losing Sachin and sehwag he played positively and settled the nerves for guys next to come.

Exactly the reason why he came ahead Yuvi.. And MSD is familiar with Murali since they both play for CSK..
 
Lol Gambhir has a huge axe to grind with Dhoni. I think he feels his contribution doesn't get the same limelight because of Dhoni.
 
Andrew Strauss once said it was the single best bit of captaincy he has seen.

Dhoni promoting himself up the order and fronting up in the big game on a big night under great pressure and delivering.

Sri Lanka wouldn't necessarily have expected such a move.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just a reminder <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ESPNcricinfo</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/worldcup2011?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#worldcup2011</a> was won by entire India, entire Indian team & all support staff. High time you hit your obsession for a SIX. <a href="https://t.co/WPRPQdfJrV">pic.twitter.com/WPRPQdfJrV</a></p>— Gautam Gambhir (@GautamGambhir) <a href="https://twitter.com/GautamGambhir/status/1245562059309248513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Many unsung heroes in the 2011 World Cup win - Gambhir
April 02 2021 by Gaurav Gupta

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Gautam Gambhir played a key role in India's 2011 World Cup triumph
Exactly a decade after India won the 2011 World Cup at home, Gautam Gambhir, who cracked 97 in the final against Sri Lanka, talks to TOI about the multiple heroes of that triumph. Excerpts...

Do you look back and savour the moment?

I don't look back at things because I think it's time to move forward. Indian cricket can't keep thinking how we won the World Cup in 2011. I said exactly the same thing that time too. It's about looking ahead. We did something which we were supposed to achieve. We didn't do something which we weren't supposed to do. People can keep saying a lot of things and keep praising themselves, but I'm not that kind of a person. For me, what we've done is over. What we need to do is more important.

Last year, you tweeted that the triumph wasn't about one man but the whole team, after a website hailed Dhoni's famous six as the 'shot that sealed the World Cup'...

I'm going to ask you the same question: do you think that only one individual won us the World Cup? If one individual could have won the World Cup, then India could have won all the World Cups till now. Unfortunately, in India, it's only about worshipping certain individuals. I've never believed in that. In a team sport, individuals have no place.

It's all about contributions. Can you forget Zaheer Khan's contribution, what he did in the first spell of the final, where he bowled three maidens in a row? Can you forget what Yuvraj Singh did against Australia? Or for that matter, Sachin Tendulkar's hundred against South Africa? Why do we keep remembering about one six? If one six can win you the World Cup, then I think Yuvraj Singh should have won six World Cups for India, because he hit six sixes in an over (against England in the 2007 T20 WC in Durban).

No one talks about Yuvraj. He was the 'man of the tournament' in both 2007 and 2011. And we keep talking about that one six.

Was that 97 in the final the most special knock of your career? Do you feel it got the kind of attention it deserved?

It wasn't the most memorable knock for me, because every knock of mine which has helped India win is memorable. Every run which has helped the country is more important. When you say that my 97 hasn't been talked about, it's the media which doesn't speak about it. But the normal individuals, wherever I go, they talk about it.

And that's my biggest achievement. Not the 97 I scored, but when people come up to me and say 'thank you for the World Cup,' that's my biggest achievement. That's the biggest medal which I've won. The media can talk about certain individuals, which it'll always do. It doesn't bother me one bit because I didn't play for the media.

You got four half-centuries, so you were in good form in that World Cup...

I thought the guy in best touch was Yuvraj. And it is not about scoring runs. See, people will score runs. It's about scoring runs at the right moment. When it comes to the knockouts, the crunch situations, then it's about your mental toughness. I won't degrade any opposition, runs are runs, but when you can get the runs in the quarterfinals, semis and the final, that sets you apart.

That is what decides what kind of form you are in, because you know that there's no scope for a mistake. Therefore, I always say that Yuvraj was in very good touch. I remember in a league game, against Ireland in Bangalore, we were in a spot of bother, and he won us the game. He also got a half-century against England.

Despite being an opener, you played at No. 3, allowing Sachin and Sehwag to open. Was it difficult to adjust?

Except in one game, I played at No. 3 throughout. For me, more importantly, it's not about the number. It's about having the opportunity of playing in a World Cup final, which not many people have. It's about what the team and the captain and team management want from you.

Even if they'd have wanted me to bat at No. 6 or 7, I would've happily done that. That's how I look at a team sport. A lot of people have spoken about wanting to bat at certain positions. There's no place for that kind of discussion in my dictionary.

How did the team cope with the pressure of immense home expectations?

I can't talk on behalf of the other individuals. All I can say is that for me, the platform never mattered. For me, all that mattered was the contest between bat and ball. Had it not been Lasith Malinga, and had it been a Ranji Trophy bowler and I was playing a Ranji Trophy final, I would have prepared in the same way, because ultimately, it's not bowler versus batsman, it's ball versus bat.

I'm not good at doing many things but taking the platform or the occasion out of my mindset is easy for me, because any game that I've played, I've always played it with the same intensity. All that mattered was that I had to be better in that contest.

The build-up to the triumph started when India won the CB series in 2008. The team had begun to find a set of match-winners and was gelling well as a unit...

For me, it's important that you can have a settled unit eight months before the World Cup. It always helps. If you keep experimenting, checking on players, you'll always be very confused, because there's so much talent in India. There will always be talent in India because of the amount of people, kids who play cricket.

However, if you keep checking out players, keep giving them opportunities, there'll always be more competition. The more the competition, the more will be the insecurity.

I'm not against giving opportunity to players, but I'm always in favour of giving enough opportunities to players to test them, and then probably test the next one. You can't test any player just by giving him two or three games and then you turn around and say: 'There's so much competition for places.' It's good to have competition for places, but it's even worse to have insecurity among the players. Our squad was pretty settled around eight months before the World Cup, and that is why people could go out and express themselves.

Most of the guys in that squad knew that they would be a part of the World Cup team.

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"No one talks about Yuvraj. He was the 'man of the tournament' in both 2007 and 2011. And we keep talking about that one six"
There were a few unsung heroes of that campaign. Munaf Patel bowled some incisive spells. Ashish Nehra bowled well in the semifinal against Pakistan...

There were 13, or probably 14 unsung heroes of that World Cup win! Munaf, me, Harbhajan Singh, Virat Kohli, who got a hundred in the first game, Suresh Raina, who played a very crucial knock against Pakistan - all these players' contributions were unbelievable. For that matter, when I look back at it today after 10 years, I feel Yuvraj is an unsung hero as well, despite being 'man of the tournament.' You won't talk about him, but people do talk about that one six for sure. All those contributions made India win the World Cup.

Yuvraj chipped in as the fifth bowler as well, taking so many wickets...

People say that I'm the unsung hero of that victory, but for me, he's the biggest unsung hero of both the World Cup wins for India. I'm sure that without his contribution, India wouldn't have won the 2011 World Cup. For me, he was the biggest player in both the World Cups.

If I must name one player who won India both the World Cups, it must be Yuvraj and no one else. Yes, I got a 75 in the 2007 T20 WC final and was the highest run-getter in the final. However, what he did, I don't think anyone else can match that.

How did the team cope with the pressure of the semifinal against Pakistan in Mohali?

I don't think that we played well but we still managed to win that game! We were probably mediocre. We should have got more runs than the 260-odd we got. We won that much because of Suresh Raina's innings.

But then again, it's about winning. Perhaps our best game came against Australia in the quarterfinals. It's not about Pakistan, to be honest. I don't believe in all that stuff that playing Pakistan is more emotional, or a pressure game. Ultimately, you don't watch the colour of the jersey. You watch the cricket ball. That's all that matters.

A lot of stars in that team lost their places soon after that triumph...

That question can be answered better by the coach, captain and the selectors, because I was neither. Obviously, you feel sad that you could not go on to defend the World Cup. How many people (from the 2011 team) got a chance to defend the World Cup (in 2015)...very few, two or three, I think. It must have hurt Yuvraj, Harbhajan, all of those who were a part of the 2011 team, to not be able to defend the World Cup. That's life. You can't look back.

Any special anecdote that you remember from that tournament?

I remember one thing. We were playing against the West Indies in Chennai, and we had more than 600-700 bats in our dressing room! I mean, you can imagine having that many bats in the dressing room can be embarrassing! Even the bowlers had 10 bats each. We kept getting these bats from all the companies, which was a bit of a surprise. Since we were not allowed to go back home throughout the tournament, we kept getting these bats from them.

Coach Gary Kirsten also played a big role with his calming influence...

He was a very good man manager. He worked hard, threw a lot of balls (at the batsmen). Ultimately in international sport, it's all about being a good man manager. You don't need to teach someone technical stuff, unless there's a massive problem. If he can be hard working, gel with the group well, that's all that's required. And he had both these qualities.

Do you think that Kohli and Co. can emulate your bunch later this year or in 2023?

See, I'm not an astrologer, but I hope they do, because very few people get the opportunity to play in a World Cup for their country. A lot of things change between one World Cup and the other one. These players will be very fortunate that they'd be playing three World Cups in a row. They'll have a great opportunity to perhaps do something special for the country, and I hope they do.
 
Sri Lankan success in that world cup was built on their ability to take wickets in the middle over through their spinners led by Murlitharan. In the final, Dhoni, in the company of Gambhir denied Sri Lankan bowlers any wickets whatsoever. From 3 down for 80 odd runs, India did not lose any more wickets till the match was almost safe, when Gambhir was dismissed. That is what tilted the match decisively towards India.
 
Imo it was his sr that made his innings so good.During those times all 90+ innings came with low sr.But here dhoni played with a sr of 115.And due to this reason i rate rainas and sehwags 30s in semis more than sachins inning
 
It was in a final, nuff said. That’s reason enough. One mistake and good chance that you passed up gold and glory for your team.

Also shows his nerves of steel which he has shown multiple times aside from this innings too.

Plenty of players who are great when stakes don’t matter or don’t matter as much. But when it’s a era defining victory, they buckle under pressure, most players are like that, that’s why the ones who triumph on the biggest stages are held in such high regard. They are few out of many.
 
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