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What was the turning point for Indian cricket which took them ahead of Pakistan?

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I think any decent cricket fan today know that Indian cricket has gone past Pakistan's and is now way ahead. They keep producing good cricketers in both batting and bowling. Their batting always had that one star but now we see that in bowling too. They have maintained their stengths (batting/Spin bowling) and imporved in other areas like pace bowling and fielding. We keep seeing their cricket going up and ours going down.

When or what do you think was the turning point for them and we lost the plot?

1. fixing debacle
2. Poor management
3. Them having Dravid as U19 team coach
4. Creation of IPL
5. SL team attack in pakistan

Any other.
 
“Professional Cricketers Association (PCA) forcing English Counties to limit hiring foreign players” - will be my top reason.
 
That 2003 ODI WC at Centurion was the turning point. India finally got its revenge against the aging 90's team and had turned the tide against Pakistan from that point onwards. However i have to say IPL was the game changer for Indian Cricket which took it 10-20 years ahead of Pakistan whereas the Sri Lankan attacks took Pakistan Cricket back by 10-20 years compared to the Big 5.
 
Idk about India but the turning point for Pakistan would be when the war on terror peaked between 2007 - 2015 and international cricket teams stopped touring, that did the most damage.
 
That 2003 ODI WC at Centurion was the turning point. India finally got its revenge against the aging 90's team and had turned the tide against Pakistan from that point onwards. However i have to say IPL was the game changer for Indian Cricket which took it 10-20 years ahead of Pakistan whereas the Sri Lankan attacks took Pakistan Cricket back by 10-20 years compared to the Big 5.

If we’re quantifying it in years, IPL took India exactly 10 years ahead of Pakistan. We are now with the PSL where India was with the IPL in 2010.

Our cricketers are now learning to play modern cricket the way it was being played at that time.

The spot fixing scandal, loss of a stable opener in Butt and our new ball pairing in Amir and Asif, plus UAE pitches took us another 5-10 years back. I expect by 2025 we’ll be beginning to catch up in terms of brand of cricket, but by that time the rest of the world will have left us behind with the data revolution. That will be another 5 years gap as we struggle to incorporate data in the national setup, while other countries will have it functioning at every level in domestics too.
 
- Lack of county exposure:

The core skills of our cricketers in the 70s, 80s and 90s were built in County cricket. Nearly every Pakistan great of that period spent years in English system and that made them twice or thrice the cricketers they would have been otherwise.

- Decline in the severity of ball-tampering:

Ball-tampering still happens today, and more often than what people think. Teams are very subtle these days and they only get caught when they go overboard.

However, back in the day when Pakistan built its reputation as the land of fast bowlers, the level of tampering that we pulled off, starting with the introduction of the “art” by Sarfraz Nawaz, is something that is not possible today.

Those custom made ball scratched with bottle caps made half the careers of our fearsome fast bowlers. The likes of Wasim and Imran were very good with the new, untouched ball as well, but someone like Waqar would be just an ordinary bowler without those tampered balls.

Waqar’s bowling action and rhythm was perfect for those tampered balls. It was a match made in heaven. He took over a decade to learn to bowl with a proper, untouched bowl and even then he was inferior to other fast bowlers of his time.

His peak from 1989 to 1994 was mainly due to ball-tampering.

We all badh Naseem, Shaheen, Junaid, Shinwari, Rahat Ali etc. but all of them will have much better figures and more 5 wicket hauls if they were bowling with the type of balls Waqar Younis was bowling in his youth.

- lack of proper batting culture:

Pakistan always took pride in its misplaced glory as a fast bowling nation. The systematic cheating of reverse-swing was mistaken for extreme natural talent.

That lie formed the foundation of our cricket ideology and that is why we never became a consistent team because our batting was never A class.

We never focused on building a proper unit and as soon as the 1 neutral umpire rule was introduced in Test cricket in 1994, our batsmen started to get LBW more often at home and we started to lose home series frequently.

Although, McGrath will disagree with this because he had Inzamam plumb LBW 3 times in 3 balls in Peshawar in 1998, but Nazir Jr. couldn’t raise his finger and even Inzamam couldn’t believe it. That prompted ICC to go a step further and introduce 2 neutral umpires from 2002 onwards.

We kept salivating over Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib and Mohammad Zahid for a brief period, but no one bothered about why an axe man like Ijaz, who couldn’t play spin to save his life, was batting at 3 for an Asian Test side.

You don’t put runs on the board consistently and you will lose a series no matter what heroics your bowlers perform every now and then.

- Celebration of inconsistency and hoping for miracles:

Pakistan is the only sporting team in the world that takes pride in inconsistency and romanticizes it as unpredictability. That is attitude is present in not only the players, coaches, media but also the fans.

The 1992 World Cup also destroyed Pakistan cricket culture and ensured that professionalism will become an alien concept. It made the nation believe in miracles and cornered tiger mentality. We never understood that success is a process and you have to build towards it.

Before every World Cup, our players wear white shalwar kameez and visit Imran to listen of his cornered tiger speech, something that you won’t find in other teams.

I don’t see Australia going to Ponting, Waugh, Clarke and India going to Kapil and West Indies going to Lloyd. In the future, you won’t see English teams going to Morgan for “blessings” before boarding the plane for World Cup.

- external constraints:

There are other factors beyond PCB control that have caused a lot of damage as well. Pakistan is a weak economy struggling on handouts and loans and has a very poor global reputation. To the outside world, we are hardly any different to Afghanistan or war torn Middle East countries like Iraq, Syria, Yemen or some remote destitute African countries.

In many ways, the success of a sporting body greatly reflects the status of the country. When the country is on ventilator, not much can be expected from it’s sporting bodies.

On the other hand, India didn’t allow 1983 to define its cricket culture. That World Cup win was a bigger miracle and a bigger cornered tigers moment than what Pakistan did 9 years later, but India knew that it was not a recipe for success.

They also focused on building a batting culture and that allowed them to maintain their batting standards and also raise their bowling level, while Pakistan went south on both fronts because Pakistan’s bowling legacy was built on systematic cheating.

Moreover, India’s global reputation in spite of the recent damage is at a completely different level to Pakistan, and so is their economic potential.

India is a much bigger and more prosperous country than Pakistan so they always had way more potential for cricket success, and it was only a matter of them getting their act together. Still, the gap widened very abruptly because Pakistan could not sustain its level.
 
Amount of money pumped into cricket after the economic reforms of the 90's.
 
You can't expect a team to improve if they stop playing at their real home. Still Pakistan hasn't performed badly. They managed to stay relevant in International Cricket by winning CT and becoming number 1 in test cricket for a short while. :inti
 
The day they appointed Greg Chappell. He may have been at odds with the Senior Guys but he brought about a major change in selection policies. Suddenly ODI cricket was infused with young blood without compromising on the sanctity of Test cricket. So when the time came to replace the fab 4 there were experienced guys to make up for the loss. A lot of money was put into the game, parchi system was done away with. With IPL more youngsters were assured of better earnings and bowling fast became a romantic affair.
Now compare pakistan, the replacement for Hafeez and Shoaib Malik , none literally none. Haider ali , may be but just maybe. Ifthikar Ahmad ? Looking at the replacement for Test Squad, Fawad Alam?. You literally only have 1 Batsman in squad of 11 who merits a place in squad. Shaheen Shah Afridi is too young to be leading the attack, Abaas seems to be a 1-2 season wonder and Naseem Shah isnt mature . Yasir Shah is declining and in an asian county you don't even have a replacement for a spinner. So basically at the moment only your Captain and VC are a guaranteed starter in test 11. Pakistan has made blunders in selection policies, especially in T20s.
 
2002 test win @Kolkatta, winning NatWest Final, n Dada. India always had stars, but couldn't win much. Appointing Dada as captain and Dada bringing young blood - along with Dada's in your face attitude and backing similar youngsters like UV, Bhajji, Zaheer, Sehwag, Kaif did change Indian cricket.
 
I would say advent of IPL . BCCI smartly made investments in grass root cricket & school cricket- mainly talent hunting & developing good pitches, something that PCB sorely lagged behind.
 
If IPL was the turning point then why hasn't India won a single T20 WC since its inception?

Talk about over reacting to a series defeat.

We need to persist with a talented set of players first.

Our fans expect instant results.
 
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If IPL was the turning point then why hasn't India won a single T20 WC since its inception?

Talk about over reacting to a series defeat.

We need to persist with a talented set of players first.

Our fans expect instant results.

Dude, i was referring to advent of IPL in relation to the money made by BCCI & infused into their grassroot infrastructure, not in terms of T20 WC wins 😐
 
Dude, i was referring to advent of IPL in relation to the money made by BCCI & infused into their grassroot infrastructure, not in terms of T20 WC wins ��

I wasn't just replying to you. Others above have mentioned IPL. Nonsense since the first success would be T20 World cups if IPL was the reason.

India has not won a major tournament since Kohli became captain. In that time Pakistan has done so.

Also Pakistan has reached number 1 in test and T20s in that time just like India.

Not saying Pakistan in on par with India. India is a superior team but I think people are over reacting to Pakistan being poor. We need to be patient with these players.

We can't expect instant results and neither can you expect results if we keep chopping and changing our teams.
 
2007 World T20. India won the tournament. That probably was the catalyst (among other reasons) for the formation of the ICL and that in turn was the catalyst for the formation of the IPL, which brought in unprecedented money for the BCCI, which they invested at the domestic and grassroots level.
 
Sourav Ganguly. He had his flaws but he broke the regional bias, ensured performance gets priority over lobbies, stopped tampering pitches in each and every match and argued for relatively competitive pitches and then most importantly broke the mental barrier against Aus, Sa, Pakistan the top teams of that time. We did lose Ganguly the batsman in that process but this ensured India actually breaks the mould and start thinking in a professional direction . Ofcourse it was a start and then Dravid continued that process and Dhoni during initial years of his captaincy.
 
2002 test win @Kolkatta, winning NatWest Final, n Dada. India always had stars, but couldn't win much. Appointing Dada as captain and Dada bringing young blood - along with Dada's in your face attitude and backing similar youngsters like UV, Bhajji, Zaheer, Sehwag, Kaif did change Indian cricket.

Yuvi is one of the most underrated aspects of India’s transformation as a cricketing nation. True warrior, one of my favorite players ever. Raw skill, fighting spirit, never back down attitude, and excellent in all facets of the game. Big tournament player.
 
2007 World T20. India won the tournament. That probably was the catalyst (among other reasons) for the formation of the ICL and that in turn was the catalyst for the formation of the IPL, which brought in unprecedented money for the BCCI, which they invested at the domestic and grassroots level.

It also made the youngsters stars overnight and laid foundation to the era of the one and only Mahendra Singh Dhoni.

India has been incredibly lucky to have some absolute otherwordly personalities propel the dressing room forward.

Dada, Sehwag, Mahi, Yuvi, these guys coming through the mix changed everything and allowed Tendulkar to cement his legacy as a two time world cup finalist and finally a world cup winner.
 
The Last decade has clearly not helped with no international cricket in pakistan which had follow on effects on their domestic game, grass roots , it will take time for pakistan to get back to their competitive best. With international cricket returning to pakistan I believe this will boost the game tremendously in the cricket mad country.
 
Between India and Pakistan specifically, I would say that phase between the 2003 World Cup win and the 2004 series win in Pakistan helped put the 1990s into history. Pakistan have beaten us also since then, but we've been comfortably the better team overall including in every single World Cup and WT20 bar none.
 
- Lack of county exposure:

The core skills of our cricketers in the 70s, 80s and 90s were built in County cricket. Nearly every Pakistan great of that period spent years in English system and that made them twice or thrice the cricketers they would have been otherwise.

- Decline in the severity of ball-tampering:

Ball-tampering still happens today, and more often than what people think. Teams are very subtle these days and they only get caught when they go overboard.

However, back in the day when Pakistan built its reputation as the land of fast bowlers, the level of tampering that we pulled off, starting with the introduction of the “art” by Sarfraz Nawaz, is something that is not possible today.

Those custom made ball scratched with bottle caps made half the careers of our fearsome fast bowlers. The likes of Wasim and Imran were very good with the new, untouched ball as well, but someone like Waqar would be just an ordinary bowler without those tampered balls.

Waqar’s bowling action and rhythm was perfect for those tampered balls. It was a match made in heaven. He took over a decade to learn to bowl with a proper, untouched bowl and even then he was inferior to other fast bowlers of his time.

His peak from 1989 to 1994 was mainly due to ball-tampering.

We all badh Naseem, Shaheen, Junaid, Shinwari, Rahat Ali etc. but all of them will have much better figures and more 5 wicket hauls if they were bowling with the type of balls Waqar Younis was bowling in his youth.

- lack of proper batting culture:

Pakistan always took pride in its misplaced glory as a fast bowling nation. The systematic cheating of reverse-swing was mistaken for extreme natural talent.

That lie formed the foundation of our cricket ideology and that is why we never became a consistent team because our batting was never A class.

We never focused on building a proper unit and as soon as the 1 neutral umpire rule was introduced in Test cricket in 1994, our batsmen started to get LBW more often at home and we started to lose home series frequently.

Although, McGrath will disagree with this because he had Inzamam plumb LBW 3 times in 3 balls in Peshawar in 1998, but Nazir Jr. couldn’t raise his finger and even Inzamam couldn’t believe it. That prompted ICC to go a step further and introduce 2 neutral umpires from 2002 onwards.

We kept salivating over Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib and Mohammad Zahid for a brief period, but no one bothered about why an axe man like Ijaz, who couldn’t play spin to save his life, was batting at 3 for an Asian Test side.

You don’t put runs on the board consistently and you will lose a series no matter what heroics your bowlers perform every now and then.

- Celebration of inconsistency and hoping for miracles:

Pakistan is the only sporting team in the world that takes pride in inconsistency and romanticizes it as unpredictability. That is attitude is present in not only the players, coaches, media but also the fans.

The 1992 World Cup also destroyed Pakistan cricket culture and ensured that professionalism will become an alien concept. It made the nation believe in miracles and cornered tiger mentality. We never understood that success is a process and you have to build towards it.

Before every World Cup, our players wear white shalwar kameez and visit Imran to listen of his cornered tiger speech, something that you won’t find in other teams.

I don’t see Australia going to Ponting, Waugh, Clarke and India going to Kapil and West Indies going to Lloyd. In the future, you won’t see English teams going to Morgan for “blessings” before boarding the plane for World Cup.

- external constraints:

There are other factors beyond PCB control that have caused a lot of damage as well. Pakistan is a weak economy struggling on handouts and loans and has a very poor global reputation. To the outside world, we are hardly any different to Afghanistan or war torn Middle East countries like Iraq, Syria, Yemen or some remote destitute African countries.

In many ways, the success of a sporting body greatly reflects the status of the country. When the country is on ventilator, not much can be expected from it’s sporting bodies.

On the other hand, India didn’t allow 1983 to define its cricket culture. That World Cup win was a bigger miracle and a bigger cornered tigers moment than what Pakistan did 9 years later, but India knew that it was not a recipe for success.

They also focused on building a batting culture and that allowed them to maintain their batting standards and also raise their bowling level, while Pakistan went south on both fronts because Pakistan’s bowling legacy was built on systematic cheating.

Moreover, India’s global reputation in spite of the recent damage is at a completely different level to Pakistan, and so is their economic potential.

India is a much bigger and more prosperous country than Pakistan so they always had way more potential for cricket success, and it was only a matter of them getting their act together. Still, the gap widened very abruptly because Pakistan could not sustain its level.

So as per you it was only when Pakistan batsmen where given not out by home umpires, ICC included 1 neutral umpires and then later when Inzi was given not out 3 times of Mcgrath, ICC came up with 2 neutral umpires.

Well, I was not born then, but I have seen one of the videos on youtube where Sachin was given not out more than 5 times against Waqar, even Sachin was ashamed of the what umpire did.

And yeah waqar was bowling with new ball, perhaps 3rd over of the innings.
 
People have different respectable opinions here, like IPL putting more money in already full coffers of BCCI, Lahore attack and not getting to play at home, which has a significant impact.

I have a different view, for me it is the difference between the players post 2000 fixing Saga,
India had Kumble, Dravid, Srinath, Laxman, Tendulkar and Ganguly. Exceptional men with great cricketing skills, but most importantly they had honesty and integrity. They nurtured young players, bonded the team together in some tough times and created a legacy of grooming next generation of players, to play as a team and come together with a vision.

For Pakistan, they had Imran, but after that Wasim, Waqar, Mushtaq, Miandad etc they were a big letdown.
They gave the team culture of infighting, politicking, creating camps to serve their own egos, making younger players insecure.

That for me also made a difference in how the respective teams played their cricket post 2000.
Also, the tainted named of Wasim in match fixing, and him being not punished for that just did not set the right example. India took swift action, made Ganguly captain and that changed our attitude.
I won't say we are some world beaters, and Indian team still has flaws.
But the results are much better as compared to earlier times, and even on overseas tours team shows more fight.
Also, some one above said India did not win a trophy for a long time.. well short memories.
2011 WC, 2013 Champions trophy - 2 ICC trophies in this decade.
Multiple Semifinals, ICC Test Ranking No.1 all these good achievements for a team in a decade.
We can improve more off course, but at least the foundations are more sound, players are more expressive and confident.
 
Between India and Pakistan specifically, I would say that phase between the 2003 World Cup win and the 2004 series win in Pakistan helped put the 1990s into history.
Pakistan have beaten us also since then, but we've been comfortably the better team overall including in every single World Cup and WT20 bar none.
Were you the better side in 2009,2010 and WT20's?
 
Were you the better side in 2009,2010 and WT20's?

Oh I meant we beat you in all World Cups and World T20s. We didn't play each other in those particular tournaments so who knows.
 
Oh I meant we beat you in all World Cups and World T20s. We didn't play each other in those particular tournaments so who knows.

Pak won the WT20 in 2009 and were semi finalists in 2010 and 2012. India were knocked out in group stages in all these three WT20's.
 
Pak won the WT20 in 2009 and were semi finalists in 2010 and 2012. India were knocked out in group stages in all these three WT20's.

Still beat you in the 2012 one. ;)

I was referring to India v Pakistan specifically.
 
Trusting their best FC players!

Pak invested in guys like Azhar and shafiq, one averaging 36 in FC and the other 38.

Azhar started off as a bowler and was starting to turn his fortunes around as an opener, so the average of 36 is excusable and he kept on improving, plus he kicked onto to become one of the best batsmen at one stage of his career.

As for shafiq, zero improvements from his FC career and failed to lead the batting line up, when the stalwarts of Younis and Misbah left.

Better batting investments would have at least lead to a more stable batting line up right now.

As for the bowling department, super bowling friendly pitches didn't help with producing quick bowlers or bowlers that needed to develop skills and use their wits to take wickets to survive as a bowler because they could simply stroll in and take wickets, hence why Hammad Azam had a ridiculously low bowling average.

That is pretty much the reason why India is far ahead now
 
That 2003 ODI WC at Centurion was the turning point. India finally got its revenge against the aging 90's team and had turned the tide against Pakistan from that point onwards. However i have to say IPL was the game changer for Indian Cricket which took it 10-20 years ahead of Pakistan whereas the Sri Lankan attacks took Pakistan Cricket back by 10-20 years compared to the Big 5.

???? We beat India a lot of times after that. Turning point was IPL and the riches took them beyond us
 
India are massive underachievers in cricket.
They are not the benchmark.
Need professionalism all the way down to the grassroots. Hopefully the new system can set the process in motion.
No shortcuts if you want sustained success.
 
Between India and Pakistan specifically, I would say that phase between the 2003 World Cup win and the 2004 series win in Pakistan helped put the 1990s into history. Pakistan have beaten us also since then, but we've been comfortably the better team overall including in every single World Cup and WT20 bar none.

Think you might be a bit premature. Pakistan were still decent after 2003 and i don't think it's a foregone conclusion that India were definitively better as they had no strong bowlers in those days. There were many series between the teams and they were generally close run contests.

As guys like Inzi, Yousuf, Akhtar started retiring and Asif and Amir got convicted Pakistan found no replacements. Meanwhile all of India's previous legends were replaced with arguably better players. So i'd say 2010 is where the chasm started widening and it hasn't stopped to date.
 
???? We beat India a lot of times after that. Turning point was IPL and the riches took them beyond us

From 2003-2007 ( before IPL began ) , India beat Pakistan in 3 out of 4 ODI series & 2 out of 4 test series.( drew 1 , lost 1 ) . Head to Head might not have changed much , but the fact that India was beating Pakistan in bilateral series more often was the real turning point compared to the 80s & 90s , when India rarely won a series against Pakistan

In fact the H2H was skewed partly by horror run in 2004-05 when the team was in turmoil due to Saurav Ganguli's fading captaincy & lost 8 out of 10 ODIs in 2004-05.After that Ganguly was sacked, India won 8 of the next 12 ODIs from 2006-07
 
Muhammad Hafeez' debut changed everything for Pakistan. (Year 2003).
The mediocrity has been the norm ever since we selected Hafeez as our top order batsman.

India took the route to professionalism whilst Pak cricket declined and the rest is history.
 
pakistan shot themselves in the foot because of the corruption back in the 90's. Thats where it all began, why blame anyone else for surpassing us? we continually fixed matches and even when caught nothing was done about it......and now look where our cricket stands, it took an outside agency to catch some of cricketers like asif, aamir and butt, two of our most promising and talented bowlers went down the narrow and now there is no turning back, you cannot produce bowlers like asif on a regular basis.
 
Think you might be a bit premature. Pakistan were still decent after 2003 and i don't think it's a foregone conclusion that India were definitively better as they had no strong bowlers in those days. There were many series between the teams and they were generally close run contests.

Well at least they were close run contests. Because I was comparing it to the 1990s - which was a one-way street all around. The 2003-2005 era helped balance the scales, and as the years have progressed we have surged past Pakistan while they've sunk without a trace.
 
Fielding under Dhoni and an emphasis on younger/fitter players who provide that energy.

Pakistan were still clinging on to its declining chachus such as Yousuf and Inzimam whilst India was investing in the energy being pumped in by Raina, Yuvraj, Kaif, Irfan Pathan and Gambhir to some extent.
 
Muhammad Hafeez' debut changed everything for Pakistan. (Year 2003).
The mediocrity has been the norm ever since we selected Hafeez as our top order batsman.

India took the route to professionalism whilst Pak cricket declined and the rest is history.

.....& 17 year's later he is still your best batsman :hafeez
 
India's rise began with Ganguly's captaincy and winning the 2001 series against Australia.

Pakistan's decline began after the 2003 World Cup with Wasim, Waqar and Anwar retiring with no adequate replacements.
 
Think you might be a bit premature. Pakistan were still decent after 2003 and i don't think it's a foregone conclusion that India were definitively better as they had no strong bowlers in those days. There were many series between the teams and they were generally close run contests.

As guys like Inzi, Yousuf, Akhtar started retiring and Asif and Amir got convicted Pakistan found no replacements. Meanwhile all of India's previous legends were replaced with arguably better players. So i'd say 2010 is where the chasm started widening and it hasn't stopped to date.

Nah, I distinctly recall when Pakistan drew the series in India, it was seen as a great achievement since India were considered the better team. Pakistan were briefly considered a better team in 2006 but could never keep a great combo together long enough. Overall, India were the better team since they beat us in 2004.
 
The hype and stardom of Shahid Afridi.

Every player afterwards wanted to be a star, not a cricketer.
 
I think the thread is unfair on India who have always been a good side since 1960s. They won the first WC in 1983 and won games against Pakistan even in the 90s just not as many.

The difference is India has continued to be a good side and have also improve marginally away in tests. Pakistan on the other hand has declined mostly due to their all time great players retiring after 2003 WC and internal cricket ban in the last 13 years.

The loss of Amir (new version not the same) and mohamad asif made matters worst.

Despite all of the above its has not been as bad as people may make it out to be.. We did win T20 WC, ICC champions trophy and way No.1 test side not that long ago.
 
I think the thread is unfair on India who have always been a good side since 1960s. They won the first WC in 1983 and won games against Pakistan even in the 90s just not as many.

The difference is India has continued to be a good side and have also improve marginally away in tests. Pakistan on the other hand has declined mostly due to their all time great players retiring after 2003 WC and internal cricket ban in the last 13 years.

The loss of Amir (new version not the same) and mohamad asif made matters worst.

Despite all of the above its has not been as bad as people may make it out to be.. We did win T20 WC, ICC champions trophy and way No.1 test side not that long ago.

+1

Pakistan is not all doom and gloom. Indians were not all doom and gloom before 2000's.
 
Cricket's evolution left Pakistan behind. Other teams embraced the brave new era one by one but Pakistan kept trying to find the next Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, etc. I know many Pakistani fans and old-timers who yearn for the '70s and '80s will never accept it but players from that era will never succeed in the modern era with the same skillset.

Having said that, once you stop overrating and glorifying the past, you will see that Pakistan is actually moving in the right direction , despite recent results.
 
Cricket's evolution left Pakistan behind. Other teams embraced the brave new era one by one but Pakistan kept trying to find the next Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, etc. I know many Pakistani fans and old-timers who yearn for the '70s and '80s will never accept it but players from that era will never succeed in the modern era with the same skillset.

Having said that, once you stop overrating and glorifying the past, you will see that Pakistan is actually moving in the right direction , despite recent results.

I dont think there is anything in that Pakistan have been hiring foreign coaches of repute throughout 2000s but its just somethings have really gone against Pakistan in this period specially not playing at home Pakistan could never have their Rohit Sharma or Warner in this period who are home giants. No team except 90s and early 2000s AUS team will have a team full of kohlis, smiths etc you need your Sharma and Warner to keep you strong at home and perform away every now and then.
 
People tend to forget that India won the World
Cup and the World Series championship in the 80’s followed by a series win in England.

I believe we won series in WI,Nzl in the 70’s-80’s too.

It’s not like India were minnows like Zimbabwe that are suddenly having a purple patch.

Indian cricket has been on an upward trend since the late 60’s- 70’s and it got that much needed next gear after the 83 World Cup win.

It was a gradual, consistent process in which Indian cricket evolved .


I have noticed The difference in philosophies. between how India and Pakistan handle their talent.

India struck gold with a 16 year old Sachin who went on to be an ATG. However we treated that as an anomaly, not the norm by giving every talented 16 year old a chance and hope it sticks

Pakistan struck gold with Javed and Wasim. They picked some other mercurial cricketers outside the system, and since then they like to throw every potential prodigy to the wolves. Many potential talents have got lost because of this. This is because there is no method to the madness.

I fear for guys like Musa or Naseem Shah because even if they go back and learn the art in domestics and evolve, they will be disregarded for another exciting 17-18 year old, All that kid would need is a good spell vs India in the u-19 Wc or something.

Also India has had a stable political system.. The politicians leave the day to day operations of cricket administration untouched for the most part apart from having 1-2 guys inserted that will serve their needs.

You can see that we started getting Pakistani style conflicts between capt-coach or players (Rohit-Virat) only during BCCI’s low point.

Pakistan always wants a messiah. Every new guy comes in does a 180 and disrupts everything maybe not with bad intent but due to his own narcissistic opinion about himself. It doesn’t work that way.

This May result in some bitter comments but the cricket of both counties are also a reflection of how India has evolved as a market and a economy vs Pakistan in the last 25-30 years.

Sure the cricketing talent in Pakistan is still very good due to the passion and interest in the game.

They will continue to produce mercurial players much like WI, where still great talent comes in every other year but they just can’t sustain.

Posters have this mythical representation of Pakistan cricket because they probably grew up in the 90’s and saw their greatest players playing together. Srilanka had a similar peak in the 90’s and 2000’s too but it shows that while you can’t stop good talent and these teams still produce good players, you need a system to sustain and develop a winning team and culture.
 
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