What were the reasons for Pakistan's loss in the 2nd Test against Sri Lanka?

[Titan24]

Not sure about home record alone. However from 15th May 2017 (post misyou) to date, SL has a better W/L ratio against other top 8 sides than PAK does .

In fact only WI has a lower W/L ratio against top sides in this period. Not saying SL are definitely better but post MisYou, there's certainly an argument for that.

Fair enough but, just for reference below are the rough numbers including both of them playing with each other. Not to forget Srl has played much more cricket at home as a %age if I am not wrong during this period.

Pakistan played 36 tests post that date and won 14, lost 16. W/L ratio of 0.87

Srl played 48 tests post that date and won 17, lost 21. W/L ratio of 0.80

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Fair enough but, just for reference below are the rough numbers including both of them playing with each other. Not to forget Srl has played much more cricket at home as a %age if I am not wrong during this period.

Pakistan played 36 tests post that date and won 14, lost 16. W/L ratio of 0.87

Srl played 48 tests post that date and won 17, lost 21. W/L ratio of 0.80

Not sure how you got that. Maybe you included BD and Zim as well. But this is what I was talking about
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...span;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

 

[Rana]

Kamran Akmal opines....

“The Pakistani team was comfortable with a single Test victory. They will now defeat the Netherlands, do well in the Asia Cup, and prevail. This Test series will not be remembered. They will sell a few quality innings in the market"

“For the past three to four years, this has been the story. They did not appear to be in town to play a Test match based on their body language. They merely attended to fulfill formalities.”

People don’t like him but this is true what he said

 

[shamaan]

Think you've misunderstood his point.

He just said Sri Lanka are a better team at home (in Sri Lanka) than Pakistan, which I don't think is wrong by any means. They have a much better spin attack and their batters are also well equipped to take on spin as they showed this series. It may show 1-1 on paper but Sri Lanka were clearly the better of the two teams.

I don't think Sri Lanka are a better team but pakistan handed them the victory on a plate before a ball was bowled.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Shaheen got injured on 99 wickets. He will get to 200-250 or even more pretty easily unless something goes completely wrong.

Shaheen isn't getting more than 300 wickets in total

 

[Titan24]

Not sure how you got that. Maybe you included BD and Zim as well. But this is what I was talking about
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...span;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

Yes all matches are considered in the stats which I have mentioned. Not to forget Srl has lost test to BD as well at home, complete picture should be taken for the analysis imo especially when one side has given away a match against a side which isn’t even being considered in the analysis.

 

[Titan24]

Shaheen isn't getting more than 300 wickets in total

Difficult to predict future due to number of uncertainties a player’s career can have but why do you feel that so confidently?

 

[Xoib]

Shaheen isn't getting more than 300 wickets in total

Stupid comment did few years back anyone believed anderson will take 250 more wickets then Steyn.

A lot can happen in future.

 

[Mesozoic]

I don't think Sri Lanka are a better team but pakistan handed them the victory on a plate before a ball was bowled.

Sri Lankans could say the same about the first game too. At the end of the day, all these doesn't matter.

Sri Lanka has much better spinners and a better all round batting lineup for spinning conditions than Pakistan, who are heavily reliant on Babar performing in every innings.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

Pakistan was on snooze mode. SL came with a better plan. They learned from the first test mistakes. Aggressive start on day 1 ensured they have a big first innings score, which was the key to victory

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Spinners are the reason , going in Sri Lanka without good spinners is like going in a battle with a blunt sword,

 

[shamaan]

Sri Lankans could say the same about the first game too. At the end of the day, all these doesn't matter.

Sri Lanka has much better spinners and a better all round batting lineup for spinning conditions than Pakistan, who are heavily reliant on Babar performing in every innings.

We didn't play the right team 90 percent of Pakistan fans would agree also Shaheen didn't play in the second game.

 

[shamaan]

Sri Lankans could say the same about the first game too. At the end of the day, all these doesn't matter.

Sri Lanka has much better spinners and a better all round batting lineup for spinning conditions than Pakistan, who are heavily reliant on Babar performing in every innings.

Pluss we batted second in both tests.

 

[MenInG]

Younis Khan speaking to media:

"Fawad Alam made an amazing comeback but he is now out of form. The team management needs to support him at this time. Even top performers like us, in the past, couldn’t score in every game but we had the backing of team management and media. We need to back players like Azhar Ali and Fawad Alam"

“Abdullah Shafique has made a dream start [to his career]. I hope he focuses on the game and make his technique even better. He should take full advantage of his good form and make lots of runs"

“Players need to take initiative and motivate themselves. They have the opportunity to serve their country and make a name for themselves"

 

[Cric1234]

Younis Khan speaking to media:

"Fawad Alam made an amazing comeback but he is now out of form. The team management needs to support him at this time. Even top performers like us, in the past, couldn’t score in every game but we had the backing of team management and media. We need to back players like Azhar Ali and Fawad Alam"

“Abdullah Shafique has made a dream start [to his career]. I hope he focuses on the game and make his technique even better. He should take full advantage of his good form and make lots of runs"

“Players need to take initiative and motivate themselves. They have the opportunity to serve their country and make a name for themselves"

They both need to be dropped as they play too slow in Asia should be replaced by Haider and Akmal for some aggression Imam should be dropped for Huraira and Agha Salman should be dropped for Saud a number of batsmen in domestic can do better than the ones selected.

Also there are a few spinners in domestic who are better than Nauman and Sajid the selectors have made some decisions which have backfired yet again.

 

[ads101]

We need to play Shakeel or Ghulam. It's not even about winning tests, we need to develop another middle order batsman for the next decade or so to support Babar. Playing allrounders at 6 or bringing back older players past their prime isn't going to do that. Another quality middle order batsman we can rely on and we'll look a lot stronger.

Our spinners and pacers aren't good enough but not much we can do there unfortunately. Even more so than batting, in bowling our most talented bowlers prefer to play limited overs and adapt to that. Test cricket is an after thought. I'd probably bring back Abbas, I think he's still probably better than the other options. With Shaheen and Abbas playing, that still leaves a 3rd pacer option to develop someone younger who will better develop alongside bowlers who are actually good or were good. Then when we have found that 3rd pacer we can rely on, we can look to replace Abbas. Without Shaheen you just have a bunch of inexperienced pacers who are leaking runs like crazy with no plan, at least Abbas won't give away too many runs and keep the pressure on.

 

[IMMY69]

We need to play Shakeel or Ghulam. It's not even about winning tests, we need to develop another middle order batsman for the next decade or so to support Babar. Playing allrounders at 6 or bringing back older players past their prime isn't going to do that. Another quality middle order batsman we can rely on and we'll look a lot stronger.

Our spinners and pacers aren't good enough but not much we can do there unfortunately. Even more so than batting, in bowling our most talented bowlers prefer to play limited overs and adapt to that. Test cricket is an after thought. I'd probably bring back Abbas, I think he's still probably better than the other options. With Shaheen and Abbas playing, that still leaves a 3rd pacer option to develop someone younger who will better develop alongside bowlers who are actually good or were good. Then when we have found that 3rd pacer we can rely on, we can look to replace Abbas. Without Shaheen you just have a bunch of inexperienced pacers who are leaking runs like crazy with no plan, at least Abbas won't give away too many runs and keep the pressure on.

I honestly feel Dahani could be an excellent test bowler.
He has all the attributes to be successful.

 

[Marooned]

We need to play Shakeel or Ghulam. It's not even about winning tests, we need to develop another middle order batsman for the next decade or so to support Babar. Playing allrounders at 6 or bringing back older players past their prime isn't going to do that. Another quality middle order batsman we can rely on and we'll look a lot stronger.

Our spinners and pacers aren't good enough but not much we can do there unfortunately. Even more so than batting, in bowling our most talented bowlers prefer to play limited overs and adapt to that. Test cricket is an after thought. I'd probably bring back Abbas, I think he's still probably better than the other options. With Shaheen and Abbas playing, that still leaves a 3rd pacer option to develop someone younger who will better develop alongside bowlers who are actually good or were good. Then when we have found that 3rd pacer we can rely on, we can look to replace Abbas. Without Shaheen you just have a bunch of inexperienced pacers who are leaking runs like crazy with no plan, at least Abbas won't give away too many runs and keep the pressure on.

Naseem did his job ably on these dead wickets. Comfortably outbowled Australian duo of Cummins and Starc. More wickets than both of them combined at a much better average.

You have to take into perspective the conditions and considering that, it's ridiculous to blame Naseem here.

 

[Mesozoic]

We didn't play the right team 90 percent of Pakistan fans would agree also Shaheen didn't play in the second game.

No matter what team Pakistan was going to play, they'd have still ended up with an inferior spin bowling attack and batting lineup to Sri Lanka. That's just the fact.

And if you're relying on your faster bowlers to win you test matches in Galle, you just don't deserve to win I'm afraid.

 

[ads101]

Naseem did his job ably on these dead wickets. Comfortably outbowled Australian duo of Cummins and Starc. More wickets than both of them combined at a much better average.

You have to take into perspective the conditions and considering that, it's ridiculous to blame Naseem here.

More blaming Hasan Ali. I don't mind playing Naseem. Hasan Ali doesn't have that kind of reliability and isn't a great leader of the attack. I don't think he offers much that Shaheen doesn't do better.

I think we would need a bowler who is more accurate and reliable to partner with Shaheen so that our 3rd pacer can shine. Abbas was that, perhaps not anymore, but I'm not sure there are many bowlers like him in domestic and the younger guys understandably don't have the accuracy and control given their lower experience. So he might still be the best option.

Really what I'm saying is I feel the choice is Hasan Ali really only functions as a third pacer, so we can choose to play Hasan or play a younger guy like Naseem. I know Hasan Ali has great stats and it seems a little unfair, but the way he is bowling I'm tempted to go with Naseem over him. It's pretty terrible that both Amir and Abbas have both fell off as either of them in their prime would have been the perfect bowling partner for Shaheen and then we could have easily developed a younger pacer alongside.

 

[Pakhs]

No matter what team Pakistan was going to play, they'd have still ended up with an inferior spin bowling attack and batting lineup to Sri Lanka. That's just the fact.

And if you're relying on your faster bowlers to win you test matches in Galle, you just don't deserve to win I'm afraid.

Only the spin bowling is weaker which is strange usually it easy for subcontinent sides to find spinners.

Regards to batting I don't think SL's is better actually SL spinners would have bowled them out easier than what they did to Pakistan batting.

 

[shamaan]

More blaming Hasan Ali. I don't mind playing Naseem. Hasan Ali doesn't have that kind of reliability and isn't a great leader of the attack. I don't think he offers much that Shaheen doesn't do better.

I think we would need a bowler who is more accurate and reliable to partner with Shaheen so that our 3rd pacer can shine. Abbas was that, perhaps not anymore, but I'm not sure there are many bowlers like him in domestic and the younger guys understandably don't have the accuracy and control given their lower experience. So he might still be the best option.

Really what I'm saying is I feel the choice is Hasan Ali really only functions as a third pacer, so we can choose to play Hasan or play a younger guy like Naseem. I know Hasan Ali has great stats and it seems a little unfair, but the way he is bowling I'm tempted to go with Naseem over him. It's pretty terrible that both Amir and Abbas have both fell off as either of them in their prime would have been the perfect bowling partner for Shaheen and then we could have easily developed a younger pacer alongside.

Irfanullah is similar to Abbas due to keeping it tight but he has more height.

 

[shamaan]

No matter what team Pakistan was going to play, they'd have still ended up with an inferior spin bowling attack and batting lineup to Sri Lanka. That's just the fact.

And if you're relying on your faster bowlers to win you test matches in Galle, you just don't deserve to win I'm afraid.

I disagree with the batting but spinners I agree with you.

 

[Mesozoic]

I disagree with the batting but spinners I agree with you.

Presence of Babar Azam may give people this illusion but there's no way on earth Pakistan has a better batting lineup than Sri Lanka for spin friendly conditions. But agree to disagree though.