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What would a series loss in New Zealand mean for India's Test team?

india would smack them at home That's for sure.

Away Aussies would win but it will be a lot closer than what it would look like in sub continent. India's dominance at home is superior to ponting's dominance at home.

if india lose to n.z and australia away in the next tours by a huge margin then your point is valid. Give them some time to prove themselves first. Let's see how this indian side fares.

I have no doubt they are easily one of the best home dominant teams of all time though.

Disagree.

I’m not too hopeful for India’s Test openers to survive against McGrath and it’s middle order to handle Shane Warne with so much ease. Plus this current Aussie team is a PG version of the Australia team during Ponting time. They used mentally take the opposition players into a dungeon with them in a Test match. A very tough team to stay mentally strong against as they didn’t really have many limits verbally on the field. I’m not sure these current IPL kids who are used to everyone being nice to them because they will meet up during April can handle that kind of mental strain inflicted by some of the Aussie brutes.

You have to take many many things into account before you just judge cricket alone
 
After getting whitewashed in ODI series, I guess people have started to realise how overrated this team is, the test series will only confirm it!

lol. That was india B team especially with thakur and jhadav who should be nowhere near the indian first 11. India have a nepotism and favoritism quota system that inhibits them from winning an ICC event. The day they stop india will become world champions in odi again.

are we forgetting the 4 - 1 loss to india by a full strength new zealand team in 2018?

Anyway india is a far better test side and if the right players are picked there is absolutely no reason why they can't vanquish n.z in n.z.

n.z are a formidable team at home and are probably favourites but india with their bowling strength can defeat them. A loss to n.z in n.z won't matter if they could win vs australia away later. However if they lose both series by a huge margin then it renders their path to becoming a GOAT tier team useless.
 
Disagree.

I’m not too hopeful for India’s Test openers to survive against McGrath and it’s middle order to handle Shane Warne with so much ease. Plus this current Aussie team is a PG version of the Australia team during Ponting time. They used mentally take the opposition players into a dungeon with them in a Test match. A very tough team to stay mentally strong against as they didn’t really have many limits verbally on the field. I’m not sure these current IPL kids who are used to everyone being nice to them because they will meet up during April can handle that kind of mental strain inflicted by some of the Aussie brutes.

You have to take many many things into account before you just judge cricket alone

this is kohli's india. They were demolished in the 90s when australia was at their peak at home by a far weaker indian side. They were vanquished again in 2009.

I have no doubt this version of Virat's team would absolutely hammer them at home. All their theatrics won't work in the modern era as there is drs, cameras, no ball umpires, unbiased referees and advanced technology to analyze players' abilities into a metric system.

So Australia's verbal bullying will be heavily scrutinized, besides Virat's team thrive under such conditions anyway. Virat in particular wants opposition teams to infuriate him.
 
this is kohli's india. They were demolished in the 90s when australia was at their peak at home by a far weaker indian side. They were vanquished again in 2009.

I have no doubt this version of Virat's team would absolutely hammer them at home. All their theatrics won't work in the modern era as there is drs, cameras, no ball umpires, unbiased referees and advanced technology to analyze players' abilities into a metric system.

So Australia's verbal bullying will be heavily scrutinized, besides Virat's team thrive under such conditions anyway. Virat in particular wants opposition teams to infuriate him.

Lol. It could be anyone’s India. Dhoni’s India was stronger.

What you fail to recognise that Man to man the Aussie players are better cricketers than the current Indian players.

Besides Kohli who is better than Ponting (and Ponting is better than all other indian players), who would make that Australia side? Bumrah as a seamer over Lee maybe. Ashwin over Warne???

Agarwal and Shaw, yesteryears Dhawan and Vijay over Hayden and Langer??

Shaw over Gilchrist?? Pandya over Watson??

Pujara over Martyn and symonds maybe, but knowing the Aussies they would prefer a bit of personality instead to some boring Indian guy with an inflated Sub continent average
 
lol. That was india B team especially with thakur and jhadav who should be nowhere near the indian first 11. India have a nepotism and favoritism quota system that inhibits them from winning an ICC event. The day they stop india will become world champions in odi again.

are we forgetting the 4 - 1 loss to india by a full strength new zealand team in 2018?

Anyway india is a far better test side and if the right players are picked there is absolutely no reason why they can't vanquish n.z in n.z.

n.z are a formidable team at home and are probably favourites but india with their bowling strength can defeat them. A loss to n.z in n.z won't matter if they could win vs australia away later. However if they lose both series by a huge margin then it renders their path to becoming a GOAT tier team useless.

Sorry to say, you seem a bit delusional. India B team includes Kohli, Rahul, Iyer, Jadeja, Shami, Kuldeep, Bumrah? Really? Please enlighten team which 7 players Indian A team would have instead if the mentioned guys?
 
Sorry to say, you seem a bit delusional. India B team includes Kohli, Rahul, Iyer, Jadeja, Shami, Kuldeep, Bumrah? Really? Please enlighten team which 7 players Indian A team would have instead if the mentioned guys?

shami and bumrah dint play then last 2 games together.
Anyway point is india don't have to win every series. They have beaten plenty of good teams. India play too much cricket. Fatigue is bound to happen at some point. Glad it happened before the tests.
 
Lol. It could be anyone’s India. Dhoni’s India was stronger.

What you fail to recognise that Man to man the Aussie players are better cricketers than the current Indian players.

Besides Kohli who is better than Ponting (and Ponting is better than all other indian players), who would make that Australia side? Bumrah as a seamer over Lee maybe. Ashwin over Warne???

Agarwal and Shaw, yesteryears Dhawan and Vijay over Hayden and Langer??

Shaw over Gilchrist?? Pandya over Watson??

Pujara over Martyn and symonds maybe, but knowing the Aussies they would prefer a bit of personality instead to some boring Indian guy with an inflated Sub continent average

In home conditions? india are man to man far stronger.

Away australia is stronger. period.

it's actually very close. india would be more dominant at home.

lol at dhoni's india being stronger. Current india is like the real behemoth at home.
 
In home conditions? india are man to man far stronger.

Away australia is stronger. period.

it's actually very close. india would be more dominant at home.

lol at dhoni's india being stronger. Current india is like the real behemoth at home.

How can you even say this when neither Dhoni’s side faced Misbah’s Pakistan in the UAE home and away, nor had this Indian side faced a decent competitor in the sub-continent (Pakistan)

There is nothing to prove India’s greatness until they don’t thump Pakistan 3-0 at home with an innings defeat in 2 of the three games
 
How can you even say this when neither Dhoni’s side faced Misbah’s Pakistan in the UAE home and away, nor had this Indian side faced a decent competitor in the sub-continent (Pakistan)

There is nothing to prove India’s greatness until they don’t thump Pakistan 3-0 at home with an innings defeat in 2 of the three games

If a weak as India team in the 90s and in 2008 could smash the Aussies at home the I am 100% positive current version of india would absolutely crush them at home.

Away would actually be competitive especially with players like bumrah and shami etc.

Besides you are forgetting the fitness level these days. Indian players post 2010 actually take fitness seriously now. Very professional side u like the past.

Back then only Aussies, west indies, south Africans and the English took fitness seriously.

btw Misbah's pakistam would smash the prime Aussies of early 2000 at home too.

Misbah's team would get annihilated away though. this indian team won't get smashed away. That's the difference.
 
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How can you even say this when neither Dhoni’s side faced Misbah’s Pakistan in the UAE home and away, nor had this Indian side faced a decent competitor in the sub-continent (Pakistan)

There is nothing to prove India’s greatness until they don’t thump Pakistan 3-0 at home with an innings defeat in 2 of the three games

One should be realistic. 2012 Pak could have beaten India in a subcontinent series with Ajmal at his peak and YK/Azhar/Asad scoring consistently against aging Dhoni's India.

After 2015, Pak team was never man to man equal of India in subcontinent conditions. Legspin was never issue for Indian batsmen and Yasir frankly does not have nous or cutting edge of peak Ajmal. Meanwhile Pak batting has only declined since then with only Babar stepping up as a serious player
 
How can you even say this when neither Dhoni’s side faced Misbah’s Pakistan in the UAE home and away, nor had this Indian side faced a decent competitor in the sub-continent (Pakistan)

There is nothing to prove India’s greatness until they don’t thump Pakistan 3-0 at home with an innings defeat in 2 of the three games

Man, are you serious?. They defeated a much better subcontinent side who whitewashed Pakistan in the uae! not to mention that a non-spin playing nation, who never win against India in India, also defeated this pakistan side in the uae recently!.

It's like saying Australia is not the best until they prove themselves by beating Zimbabwe.
 
Man, are you serious?. They defeated a much better subcontinent side who whitewashed Pakistan in the uae! not to mention that a non-spin playing nation, who never win against India in India, also defeated this pakistan side in the uae recently!.

It's like saying Australia is not the best until they prove themselves by beating Zimbabwe.

Last time Newzealand defeated India at their home was at 1988.
Overall Newzealand has defeated India in India 3 times in test cricket.
 
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It’ll mean nothing. India are number one cause they worked hard and won the matches.

If they lose the NZ series, it’ll just mean that NZ performed better than India, and its their home ground.
 
Who even in their right mind would mention India in the same sentence as the great sides such as 80s Pak, WI and AUS; forget those teams, they are not close to South Africa either from this century. They are bakwas team who are only no.1 because they are too scared to play Pakistan. I'd have thought after the severe thrashing their imperial masters gave it would have helped cure the delusion but I feel like we need to invade again
 
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Who even in their right mind would mention India in the same sentence as the great sides such as 80s Pak, WI and AUS; forget those teams, they are not close to South Africa either from this century. They are bakwas team who are only no.1 because they are too scared to play Pakistan. I'd have thought after the severe thrashing their imperial masters gave it would have helped cure the delusion but I feel like we need to invade again

Only bakwas overrated chump team is imran khan's team who had a grand total of 14 wins. Scared of this Pakistani side? ok mate. if that helps you sleep better. sure.

We are so scarred and scared. Imperial masters haha. If bcci wants to they can easily get pakistan permanently banned from cricket. Who is the real master now?
You need to learn to respect your superiors.
 
John Wright: 'India has to find answers quickly'

Former New Zealand captain John Wright believed the Indians were “a bit rusty” during the first Test at the Basin Reserve.

He said to Sportstar, “India looked out of sorts. It had two new openers and the middle-order found the going tough. It has to find answers quickly.”

Wright, a popular former India coach, who led the country to a historic Test and ODI triumph in Pakistan in 2004, said, “The good thing for the Indians is that their ‘A’ team played in Christchurch recently and Kohli’s side would not be short on inputs about the conditions.”

Wright had words of appreciation for New Zealand captain Kane Williamson. He observed, “Kane has done enough to have the term ‘Great’ attached to his name. He has real quality and has the footwork and the balance to succeed in different conditions.”

Wright said, “Williamson is one of those rare batsmen whom you look at the scoreboard and he’s already 40. And you had not realised he had scored all those runs. That’s the quality of a very good player.”

Wright noted, “And he’s also very humble, that very good for a player of his stature. Plus Williamson is not even halfway through his career.”

Sharing his thoughts on Ross Taylor 100-Test feat, Wright said, “He is such a natural batsman, has so many shots. If you see his record across formats, he is right up there. Great contribution to New Zealand cricket over the years. And he’s a good man.”

Wright shifted his attention to New Zealand’s destructive pace pair of Tim Southee and Trent Boult, “When the ball swings they can be deadly. It’s a right-left combination so the deliveries are coming at different angles at the batsmen.”

The former New Zealand opener said, “If the ball doesn’t swing, they can find the going tough like we saw in Australia recently. But for most part Southee and Boult have been really effective for New Zealand. One of the top pairs.”

Asked about Jasprit Bumrah’s struggles in the Wellington Test, Wright, who has seen the paceman up close at Mumbai Indians, said, “He’s coming back after an injury. He’s finding his feet and rhythm again. It can happen to most players. After the highs, there is a plateau.”

Wright noted, “Teams must have seen endless vidoes of him. Once you become the lynchpin of an attack, the opposition teams really put you under the scanner and look for methods to cope with you best.”

Wright said, “Sometimes, they just play you off, not give wickets to you. Bumrah is an intelligent person, and I am sure he will find a way out. He has to fight his way through such periods.”

And Wright continues to be affable. A true blue Kiwi, he certainly is.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/indi...ght-interview-virat-kohli/article30913540.ece
 
I think India would come back strongly. Wont be surprised if they win the next one. Need to win the toss though.
 
Only bakwas overrated chump team is imran khan's team who had a grand total of 14 wins. Scared of this Pakistani side? ok mate. if that helps you sleep better. sure.

We are so scarred and scared. Imperial masters haha. If bcci wants to they can easily get pakistan permanently banned from cricket. Who is the real master now?
You need to learn to respect your superiors.

Chill. We're not deciding the countries' borders based on cricket match results.
 
I can take it on chin that India lost the series to NZ, most teams struggle to win abroad but it's almost impossible to defeat India in India. Problem is the attitude of Kohli and Shastri who keep talking about the rankings and use that to call themselves a great team, which they aren't. They are trying to make themselves look better than they really are because it's not about the team ranking, it's about being perceived as great captain and coach.
 
If a weak as India team in the 90s and in 2008 could smash the Aussies at home the I am 100% positive current version of india would absolutely crush them at home.

Away would actually be competitive especially with players like bumrah and shami etc.

Besides you are forgetting the fitness level these days. Indian players post 2010 actually take fitness seriously now. Very professional side u like the past.

Back then only Aussies, west indies, south Africans and the English took fitness seriously.

btw Misbah's pakistam would smash the prime Aussies of early 2000 at home too.

Misbah's team would get annihilated away though. this indian team won't get smashed away. That's the difference.

LOl at misbah's team smashing prime Aussies. It wasnt like Aussies were novices in subcontinent.They beat full strength Pak in Pak 98/99, humiliated them in 02(pak missed a few players but that was some annihilation) They whitewashed Srilanka in Srilanka 04 that had players like jayasuriya, sangakkara, jayawardene & murali who are among the top 10 players Sri lanka ever produced. Misbah's team never defeated South Africa at home. Not sure how they would've smashed the aussies at home
 
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