What would be the ideal Pakistan ODI team?

[owais1]

The title says it all, what team would be the best if you can choose all the domestic players around. Would they be able to compete against the big teams?

(Wahab Riaz and Shehzad may not be used in your team)

 

[ask_analyse_act]

If I'm the one to select the 11 and give a batting order. I can still make this team to win the tournament or at least runners up.

My 11 in batting order against subcontinent teams.

Fakhar Azhar babar haris Sarfraz Malik fahim shadab Amir Hassan junaid.

Against other teams one change imad comes in for fahim.

 

[Mohsin123]

Sahibzada Farhan
Sharjeel Khan
Babar Azam
Hussain Talat
Umar Amin
Sarfraz Ahmed (c)
Amir Yamin
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Amir
Hasan Ali
Sameen Gul

 

[TeymurBlake]

Sahibzada Farhan/Shahzaib Hasan
Sharjeel Khan
Babar Azam
Shoaib Malik
Haris Sohail
Sarfraz Ahmed (WK/C)
Amir Yamin
Imad Wasim/Shadab Khan
Mohammad Amir
Hasan Ali
Rumman Raees

 

[hisham_ashraf]

Fakhar
Sahibzada Farhan
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Malik
Shadab Khan
Sohail Khan
Amir
Hasan
Asghar

 

[Dr_Bassim]

If I'm the one to select the 11 and give a batting order. I can stilll make this team to win the tournament or at least runners up.

My 11 in batting order against subcontinent teams.

Fakhar Azhar babar haris Sarfraz Malik fahim shadab Amir Hassan junaid.

Against other teams one change imad comes in for fahim.

You are delusional now.

With those changes, your team might bat a tad better and bowl a tad better (although Junaid can be really awful when it comes to being bad).

The other teams like SAffers, Australia and NZ would murder us with their batting and Pakistan won't even be able to play their fast bowling.

Runners up or win the competition

LOL.

 

[Billy1999]

Azhar
Shehzad
Babar
Hafeez
Malik
Sarfraz
Imad
Shadab
Amir
Hassan
Junaid
Do we have any better options

 

[nextover666666]

Farhan Shabzaidha
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Shoaib Malik
Sarfraz Ahmed
Hussian Talat
Zafar Gohar
Shadab Khan
Sohail Khan
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Amir

Aamer Yamin
Bilal Asif
Harris Sohail
Ghulam Mudassar
Osama Mir

 

[khurram39]

this couldn't be. We don't have the best in the team and the rest is also on rest.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Sharjeel
Hussain
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz
Yamin
Shadab
Hasan
Amir
Seamer/Zafar/Usama

 

[Hiraeth]

Sahibzada
Sharjeel
Babar
Harris
Talat
Sarf
Shadab/Yamin
Hasan
Amir
Bashir/Irfan/Sultan
Zafar Gohar

 

[ask_analyse_act]

You are delusional now.

With those changes, your team might bat a tad better and bowl a tad better (although Junaid can be really awful when it comes to being bad).

The other teams like SAffers, Australia and NZ would murder us with their batting and Pakistan won't even be able to play their fast bowling.

Runners up or win the competition

LOL.

No I'm not delusional. It is just a matter of winning 3 games and your confirmed for the final.

Belief and a smart plan can work any team to win. This team is not bad as Canada or Kenya. Give this same team to dhoni or pointing they will find a way to win. Cricket is more played as mind games these days. They have the ability,but not believing in fighting or winning. Not losing miserably has become their habit. Playing without any intent. When winning becomes the habit and get the dead woods out your way especially players like hafeez who are there just to make numbers and mr.selfie who still struggling to make his mark in intl cricket. Like yesterday if u see Azhar played with intent to chase the target even though he was limited in array of shots but when hafeez came and slow down the pace of the inns he started to panic and playing schoolboy cricket and struggling to get a single for his 50 and once done going for big shot straight away. Hafeez is like a virus that attacks all his teammates with slow batting , poor running between wickets and playing rash shots.

Junaid can go off in one or two games when the pitch is really flat and offers nothing in such games even Amir and Hasan would go for 8 an over. Since the Aus tour I have seen him bowling really well I tandem with Amir. A good opening bowling combination.

Trust me. The team and strategy that I put forth will make the team win and make them go as long as they can.

Because this team can restrict any team below 300 and also can chase it. Yesterday's match there are so many mistakes right from the start from selection11 to till the finish which are all basics.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

TSPK's Dream Odi Team in 2017 would be :


1. Ahsan Ali
2. Sahibzaada Farhan
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Shoaib Malik (c)
6. Agha Salman
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Shadab Khan
9. Sohail Khan
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Hasan Ali

Bench :

12. Fahim Ashraf
13. Saud Shakeel
14. Hussain Tallat
15. Ahmed Bashir
16. Atif Jabbar
17. Umar Amin


Reserves:

18. Aamer Yamin
19. Amad Butt
20. Majid Ali
21. Sadaf Hussain (fitness)
22. Danish Aziz
23. Salman Irshad
24. Afraz Khoso
25. Usama Mir
26. Kamran Ghulam

 

[sadida97]

TSPK's Dream Odi Team in 2017 would be :


1. Ahsan Ali
2. Sahibzaada Farhan
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Shoaib Malik (c)
6. Agha Salman
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Shadab Khan
9. Sohail Khan
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Hasan Ali

Bench :

12. Fahim Ashraf
13. Saud Shakeel
14. Hussain Tallat
15. Ahmed Bashir
16. Atif Jabbar
17. Umar Amin


Reserves:

18. Aamer Yamin
19. Amad Butt
20. Majid Ali
21. Sadaf Hussain (fitness)
22. Danish Aziz
23. Salman Irshad
24. Afraz Khoso
25. Usama Mir
26. Kamran Ghulam

What are the updates on ahsan ali ?

 

[Ami]

Easy..

Sharjeel
Sarfaraz
Babar
???
???
???
Imad
Fahim
Shadab
Amir
Hasan

12th man..
Junaid
We dont need 11...these 8 are fine.

 

[kingusama92]

The team can't be built on skill.

This means you have to build through a structured gameplan (i.e. each player has a clear role).

**Don't focus hard on the names, those are just examples!**

1) Sharjeel Khan/Someone Similar (Attacking Opener For PP)
2) Sami Aslam/Imam Ul Haq (Regular Opener)
3) Babar Azam (Premier Batsman)
4) Haris Sohail (Talented Accumulator)
5) Umar Akmal/Sobaib Maqsood/Hopefully Someone Better (Power Hitting Batsman)
6) Sarfraz Ahmed (Wicketkeeper & Captain)
7) Fahim Ashraf/Aamer Yamin/Imad Wasim (Pace or Spin All-Rounder Depending on Pitch)
8) Shadab Khan (Specialist Spinner)
9) Mohammad Amir (New Ball Bowler)
10) Mohammad Abbas/Ahmed Bashir(New Ball Bowler)
11) Hasan Ali (Death Over Specialist)

Will this team win all the time? No but it will have a gameplan going in and can grow together.

You need roles.

My version is one example but PAK continuously shows it doesn't have roles. This is why you end up having Imad Wasim bowling with a new ball!

PAK selectors continually force players into odd roles that don't suit their skill set. The results are in front of you.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

What are the updates on ahsan ali ?

He did not have Safarish to be picked for Sindh team in Pakistan Cup in the absense of Sharjeel & Shahzeb. Corrupt KCCA and Politics of senior players of Sindh.


On the otherhand Balochistan picked 15 averaging List A batsman Sahibzada Farhan based on his FC numbers of srason and he became best opener of PC. Ahsan averaged 46 in last FC season with the fastest double century of season but there was no Fakhar, abdul rehman & Wajahatullah in Sindh management to pick him.

 

[Madplayer]

First of all these changes wont guarentee anything unless an overhaul of the system takes place which includes the structure of domestic, time when tournaments are played, pitches, grounds etc. The primary requirement of the team is of reliable hitters who are picked for national side according to their positions in their domestic teams.

From what Pakistan has i would pick :

1)Sharjeel (top level hitter)
2)Hussain talat or sahibzada (medium level hitters)

3)Babar (anchor, strike rotator)
4)Haris (medium level hitter, strike rotator)
5)sarfaraz (strike rotator)

6)amir yamin or Malik (bowling option, medium level hitters)
7)fahim/some other big hitter (top level hitter)

8)Shadab (spin bowling option, slogger)
9)Amir (pace bowler, slogger)
10)Hasan ali (pace bowler, slogger)
11)Rumman raees (pace bowler, slogger)

Bench : malik/yamin, imad (back up spinner/slogger) , hussain talat/ sahibzada, saud shakeel/umar amin (back up batsmen), some fast bowler.

The results would be different if a team is picked along these lines because you would have players who know their roles.

 

[todfod 11]

If I'm the one to select the 11 and give a batting order. I can still make this team to win the tournament or at least runners up.

My 11 in batting order against subcontinent teams.

Fakhar Azhar babar haris Sarfraz Malik fahim shadab Amir Hassan junaid.

Against other teams one change imad comes in for fahim.

Your team looks good. this should be ideal team just change Junaid to that le ft ha d bowler from peshawar i guess.. cant remember his name.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Sharjeel
Stroke Maker
Babar
Haris
Sarfi
Stroke Maker
Shadab
Bowler+Hitter
Bowler+Hitter
Amir
Hasan

I am sorry but these Sahibzada Farhan's etc are not tested enough. His feet are static. I honestly dont see stroke makers in Pakistan. Hussain Talat wasnt special either in Pak cup.

 

[indianpanacea]

Umar Akmal
Umar Amin
Babar
Sarfaraz
Haris sohail
Sahibzada farhan
Hussein talat
Imad wasim
Amir
Hassan ali
Junaid

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Your team looks good. this should be ideal team just change Junaid to that le ft ha d bowler from peshawar i guess.. cant remember his name.

can only select the 11 from the given squad to champions trophy...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Umar Akmal
Umar Amin
Babar
Sarfaraz
Haris sohail
Sahibzada farhan
Hussein talat
Imad wasim
Amir
Hassan ali
Junaid

umar akmal lol... first let him pass the fitness test.. then let him score some runs in domestic to make a comeback... the fascination with this guy never ends..

 

[IndianMafia]

Fakhar
Babar Azam
Harris Sohail
Sarfaraz Ahmad
Shoaib Malik
Fahim
Imad
Shadab
Amir
Junaid
Hassan

 

[Markhor]

Sahibzada Farhan
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Shoaib Malik
Sarfraz Ahmed
Hussain Talat
Shadab Khan
Agha Salman
Mohammad Amir
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Irfan jnr/Ahmed Bashir
Babar should open, he sometimes waste too many deliveries getting set in the middle-order, he should play the role Amla does for SA. Farhan, Talat and Shadab can provide power hitting. Haris, Malik and Sarfraz to rotate strike with focus on keeping SR around 85-90 and above.

With the bowling you have balance with three seamers - two who can swing the ball and one tall quick who can hit the deck hard and extract bounce from a good length. You have the off-spin of Salman and the leg-spin of Shadab who was one of the few who can hold their head up high after India match.

 

[Syed1]

Any team that does not comprise Sharjeel, Fakhar, Babar, Haris, Amin, Sarfaraz and Yamin in our batting order is NOT the best possible side that Pakistan can pick from the present generation.

 

[htariq25]

Sahibzada
Fakhar/sami aslam
Babar
Haris/talat
Sarfraz
Malik
Yamin/fahim
Shadab
sohail khan
Amir
Hasan

 

[SARJ_BD]

1. Shahibzada Farhan | Bench: Fakhar Zaman
2. Sami Aslam | Bench: Umar Amin
3. Babar Azam
4. Shoaib Malik
5. Haris Sohail
6. Sarfraz Ahmed| Bench: Hussain Talat
7. Fahim Ashraf (Imad Wasim in Asian soil)
8. Shadab Khan
9. Amir | Bench: Usman Shinwari
10. Hasan Ali | Bench: M. Abbas
11. Sohail Khan | Bench: Junaid Khan

 

[Madplayer]

Sahibzada Farhan
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Shoaib Malik
Sarfraz Ahmed
Hussain Talat
Shadab Khan
Agha Salman
Mohammad Amir
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Irfan jnr/Ahmed Bashir
Babar should open, he sometimes waste too many deliveries getting set in the middle-order, he should play the role Amla does for SA. Farhan, Talat and Shadab can provide power hitting. Haris, Malik and Sarfraz to rotate strike with focus on keeping SR around 85-90 and above.

With the bowling you have balance with three seamers - two who can swing the ball and one tall quick who can hit the deck hard and extract bounce from a good length. You have the off-spin of Salman and the leg-spin of Shadab who was one of the few who can hold their head up high after India match.

Making the same mistake again like the pakistan selectors.

Your top 6 are all top order players. They mostly play in top order in their domestic teams. You have sloted them out of their natural positions just because they are promising or they have scored runs in domestic. We have to Pick players for specific roles based on their positions in their domestic teams. For example if your team is lacking a number 6 batsman, you cant pick the highest run getter in domestic one day cup and slot him at 6 if he plays at 4 or 3 in his domestic team.

Also, Babar can simply not be moved from 3 now that he has settled there. It would be a massive risk and he failed last time he was tried as an opener.

Shadab too is nowhere ready/strong enough to be a reliable hitter at 7. He is too young and weak to do that. By the time he is 22 he can do that job. Needs to put on muscle.

See my post earlier in the thread. That would be a better team i think.

 

[Markhor]

Making the same mistake again like the pakistan selectors.

Your top 6 are all top order players. They mostly play in top order in their domestic teams. You have sloted them out of their natural positions just because they are promising or they have scored runs in domestic. We have to Pick players for specific roles based on their positions in their domestic teams. For example if your team is lacking a number 6 batsman, you cant pick the highest run getter in domestic one day cup and slot him at 6 if he plays at 4 or 3 in his domestic team.

Also, Babar can simply not be moved from 3 now that he has settled there. It would be a massive risk and he failed last time he was tried as an opener.

Shadab too is nowhere ready/strong enough to be a reliable hitter at 7. He is too young and weak to do that. By the time he is 22 he can do that job. Needs to put on muscle.

See my post earlier in the thread. That would be a better team i think.

Shadab is a proper batsman and he can hit - he hasn't had the chance to show his batting abilities at 8 with only few overs to spare. He won't have any issues at 7.

As for batting positions, I'm tired of hearing this excuse. If you are a good enough batsman you should be able to adapt to whatever role asked of you. For the sake of the team some players will have to move away from their preferred positions. Babar opened for Karachi in PSL and did fine. Hussain Talat played in all sorts of different positions in Pakistan Cup but was mainly at 5 or 6, in PSL he opened, in Under 23 Cup he both opened and batted in lower order.

Neither Fahim or Yamin are good enough with the ball for internationals unless the latter bowls with the new ball (but even the white Kookaburra does nothing). Fahim got whacked in the warm-up and let's not get carried away by his innings vs Bangladesh as his List A record is very poor averaging 15. However Fahim was the leading wicket-taker in the Departmental One Day Cup so willing to give him a chance.

 

[Madplayer]

Shadab is a proper batsman and he can hit - he hasn't had the chance to show his batting abilities at 8 with only few overs to spare. He won't have any issues at 7.

As for batting positions, I'm tired of hearing this excuse. If you are a good enough batsman you should be able to adapt to whatever role asked of you. For the sake of the team some players will have to move away from their preferred positions. Babar opened for Karachi in PSL and did fine. Hussain Talat played in all sorts of different positions in Pakistan Cup but was mainly at 5 or 6, in PSL he opened, in Under 23 Cup he both opened and batted in lower order.

Neither Fahim or Yamin are good enough with the ball for internationals unless the latter bowls with the new ball (but even the white Kookaburra does nothing). Fahim got whacked in the warm-up and let's not get carried away by his innings vs Bangladesh as his List A record is very poor averaging 15. However Fahim was the leading wicket-taker in the Departmental One Day Cup so willing to give him a chance.

See i get what you are saying but you also have to look at the ability of the players. Pakistani top order players arent like top order players of other teams who can fit in any position. Example rohit sharma can bat at 1 and also at 6 because he has the ability to score boundaries at will. Pakistani top order players have limited ability and techniques and they can only play in the top order. If u try to fit them in lower order, they will disapoint you and thats what is happening. Why not try something different and pick players as per their batting positions in their domestic teams? It wont kill us to do something different for once when the traditional approach isnt working.

I picked yamin as a batsman who can bowl. I dont intend to make him bowl 10 overs. He has the batting ability to be a proper number 6. Faheem i picked at 7 because he showed the ability to score quick against pacers and hit sixes. I know stats dont support him but perhaps its still early days for him? He has a great FC record as a batsman from what i heard. Not to mention we have eyes to see how he plays, stats can mislead too. Also i didnt mean that we necessarily have to pick just him. I wrote " or any reliable hitter" against his name. If there is anyone else, he must be welcomed.

I have seen enough of shadab's batting to tell you that he has immense potential to be a big hitter. His hitting technique is very good. Its all natural ability. The problem is he is too weak bodily. Once he gets into his 20s and puts on more muscle, he will be unstoppable. Perhaps the first genuine leg spinning allrounder. Right now, i'm sorry he wont be able to hit pacers out of the park at death.

 

[Markhor]

See i get what you are saying but you also have to look at the ability of the players. Pakistani top order players arent like top order players of other teams who can fit in any position. Example rohit sharma can bat at 1 and also at 6 because he has the ability to score boundaries at will. Pakistani top order players have limited ability and techniques and they can only play in the top order. If u try to fit them in lower order, they will disapoint you and thats what is happening. Why not try something different and pick players as per their batting positions in their domestic teams? It wont kill us to do something different for once when the traditional approach isnt working.

I picked yamin as a batsman who can bowl. I dont intend to make him bowl 10 overs. He has the batting ability to be a proper number 6. Faheem i picked at 7 because he showed the ability to score quick against pacers and hit sixes. I know stats dont support him but perhaps its still early days for him? He has a great FC record as a batsman from what i heard. Not to mention we have eyes to see how he plays, stats can mislead too. Also i didnt mean that we necessarily have to pick just him. I wrote " or any reliable hitter" against his name. If there is anyone else, he must be welcomed.

I have seen enough of shadab's batting to tell you that he has immense potential to be a big hitter. His hitting technique is very good. Its all natural ability. The problem is he is too weak bodily. Once he gets into his 20s and puts on more muscle, he will be unstoppable. Perhaps the first genuine leg spinning allrounder. Right now, i'm sorry he wont be able to hit pacers out of the park at death.

I hear you but even in domestic there is so much chopping and changing with batting positions. Hussain Talat played top, middle and lower order in Pakistan Cup.

 

[Madplayer]

I hear you but even in domestic there is so much chopping and changing with batting positions. Hussain Talat played top, middle and lower order in Pakistan Cup.

True and I overlooked this fact. But thats the problem. Among a whole host of other things, this too needs to change in the domestic circuit. Players need to be given fixed positions in domestic cricket so they can internalize their roles and perfect their methods to perform these roles.

 

[Mamoon]

The tragedy is that one can almost guarantee that at least half of the touted players, i.e. Sahibzada, Agha, Talat, Bashir etc. etc. will be TTFs of the future. Same rotten products of the same rotten system.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Its easy to put together some names and dream that these guys are the next world beaters and will destroy other teams in the future. I have not seen Pakistan domestic cricket barring the PSL and some highlights of Pakistan Cup. All I can say is that it is a very difficult position to be in. PSLs best performer was Kamran Akmal and yet he struggled in the West Indian tour. You can look at the averages in domestics but the fact is our domestic cricket and international cricket are at such different levels that the players just can not adjust to the demands of international cricket. They manage to do so at Tests since tests are not physically all that demanding but the shorter formats need high levels of fitness which our domestic cricket is not conducive to.

From what I have seen some players who probably should start playing for Pakistan. From my side I would play below players taking into consideration if they are available:

1 - Sharjeel Khan
2 - Babar Azam
3 - Umar Amin
4 - Sarfraz Ahmed
5 - Shoaib Malik
6 - Hussain Talat
7 - Shadab Khan
8 - Fahim Ashraf
9 - Hasan Ali
10 - Mohd Amir
11 -Some new pacer

 

[Macho Mann]

for champions trophy and given present selection with sohail k replacing wahab riaz

muhammad hafeez
babar azam
azhar ali
sarfraz ahmed
haris sohail
shoaib malik
hasan ali
shadab khan/imad wasim
junaid khan
muhammad amir
sohail khan

 

[Chief Destroyer]

A team without the second best batting talent in Pakistan? I don't think so.