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What's the maximum lead Pakistan can concede and stay in the game?

What's the maximum lead Pakistan can concede and stay in the game?

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Pakistan has lost this game already, it seems like Pakistan is out of luck now...
 
I'd also wager a lead of 100 is manageable. Azhar, Asad, Haris and Sarfaraz are all due a big one. I hope one of them comes up with the goods in the second innings. Usman is on debut so whatever he gets is bonus and Imam I have zero hopes from. Complete nepotistic selection.
 
England have 8 wickets left and are behind by only 68 runs. Realistically, the lowest lead we can restrict them to is about 100, if we bowl well. We'll still be in the game then. If the lead is any bigger, can't see anything other than an England win.
 
Think England will get closer to 400 than they would 300. The pitch has flattened out drastically and the ball merely swung as much as earlier in the morning.
 
Never say never but very difficult to make anything manageable after this horrendous day..
 
150 can be overturned on this pitch, as England will be under pressure in the 4th innings and Shadab could possibly be too much for them to handle.

But the margin of lead only comes into play if Pakistan can bat well in the second innings. A 50 lead might be enough for England if Pakistan bat the same again.
 
I think we can still restrict England to 250 or less, well they are prone to batting collapses just as much as Pak. So a lead of 80 or so won't be too demoralising. But this only matters provided that Pak bat much better in the 2nd innings.
 
Weather forecast is cloudy for tomorrow. couple of hours of cloud and we may get them out even before 200.

If its sunny we need to bowl really well and hope its not above 100.
 
England will win even with a lead of 20. Because the Pakistani batsmen will not be able to play Anderson, Broad and Woakes.
 
100

I think Pak will crumble in their 2nd innings. They do not seem to perform well in Tests when under pressure.
 
To be honest...even a 50 run lead will be psychologically too many.

The lower order is good...but top order can't be trusted
 
Why are you guys discounting the fact that Pakistan may end up with a lead :salute
 
I think Pakistan would have done a great job if they limit England to a lead of around 100. Anything is possible after that provided we get at least 350 in the second innings.
 
It depends on the condition - if PAK's 2nd innings stars under bright sunshine and it remains for 35 overs, may be 350+ in 3rd innings is possible - that's netting off 150 lead still 200+ target. Under over cast condition, even a minor deficit by either side doesn't matter much.

Tmro's morning session might be decider of the Test - one extreme Poms can go to Lunch at 201/4 or PAK can start 2nd innings before break. I think PAK'll take something, if Poms go to lunch at like 199/6.
 
Syed1 said:
Why are you guys discounting the fact that Pakistan may end up with a lead :salute
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These people are such cry-babies. We can still win this match. If Root falls early tomorrow morning, I can see England getting a 60-run lead at most.
 
It was a bad day at the office, need to come hard tomorrow.
 
SM1989 said:
England will win even with a lead of 20. Because the Pakistani batsmen will not be able to play Anderson, Broad and Woakes.
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This. Match is over. Never have Pakistan ever turned a match around like this in the past. It will not rain and we will have the full day of play.
 
Bilal7 said:
These people are such cry-babies. We can still win this match. If Root falls early tomorrow morning, I can see England getting a 60-run lead at most.
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In the last test England lost 4-5 wickets for 20 odd runs, not once but TWICE.


If it is cloudy and swinging early tomorrow we can have Abbas and Amir slice through England. Remember how before the 4th day on Lord's test everybody was predicting England to increase their lead of 56 to 120 or 150 and they ended up increasing it by just 8 runs.
 
Syed1 said:
In the last test England lost 4-5 wickets for 20 odd runs, not once but TWICE.


If it is cloudy and swinging early tomorrow we can have Abbas and Amir slice through England. Remember how before the 4th day on Lord's test everybody was predicting England to increase their lead of 56 to 120 or 150 and they ended up increasing it by just 8 runs.
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abbas is not good enough
 
70 odd
Bat and make about 250
Set eng around 180
Ill take this from today...
 
Are you forgetting when played in the uae against England and were 100 and something all out
 
KingKhanWC said:
150 can be overturned on this pitch, as England will be under pressure in the 4th innings and Shadab could possibly be too much for them to handle.

But the margin of lead only comes into play if Pakistan can bat well in the second innings. A 50 lead might be enough for England if Pakistan bat the same again.
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Headingley got flatter and flatter last year.....
 
Not many times a team has won after making 170 ish in the very 1st innings of the match.

Was it a good decision to bat first, field first to get use of the fresh pitch to exploit the vulnerable and under pressure English batsmen would have helped Pakistan. Fourth innings will not be a matter if the target is under 100. First innings score is important for any and every team.
 
If England didn’t make 400 from here then they deserve to lose. Their bowlers have already gunned down 1st inns total to less than 180.
 
Under 100 and it's still a game. Realistically though the game has gone, Pakistan needed to score about 250 minimum after choosing to bat. Momentum is a big thing as we saw in the first test, and England has it firmly now.
 
It will require a special bowling and batting effort to win this game. In my opinion, England has 90% chance of winning.

Most of the test matches are decided after first two innings. Anything under 200 in the first inning lowers your chances even more.

Even, if England gets a lead of just 100 from here which is highly unlikely, there is no way Pakistan is going to take a reasonable lead in the 3rd inning considering we don't have a special batsman like Younis and most of our batsmen just can't handle 3rd/4th inning pressure.
 
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The conditions could get better for batting on day 3/4. So a lead of a 100 isn't that big of an issue. But still won't be easy to win from that situation.
 
I see a couple of shortened sessions 2maw and England all out for 234. Lead of 60.
Pak then need to finish the day 1 down and somehow bat all of day 3.
Keep believing and keep fighting
 
I don't see an option for Pakistan obtaining a lead of about ~15 runs. Should be an option added to the poll
 
Looks to me a lead of 100 and help from weather is the only way out for Pakistan.
 
Need to get England under 250 which doesn't look happening tbh.

Bairstow failed in first test. So, he would look to get some runs in this test. Root will get a 50 as well.

Stokes, Butler and tail will help England post over 300 and if there is no interruption then England will probably win this match as well.
 
Ab Fan said:
Need to get England under 250 which doesn't look happening tbh.

Bairstow failed in first test. So, he would look to get some runs in this test. Root will get a 50 as well.

Stokes, Butler and tail will help England post over 300 and if there is no interruption then England will probably win this match as well.
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Good job Stokes isn’t playing
 
Ab Fan said:
Need to get England under 250 which doesn't look happening tbh.

Bairstow failed in first test. So, he would look to get some runs in this test. Root will get a 50 as well.

Stokes, Butler and tail will help England post over 300 and if there is no interruption then England will probably win this match as well.
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Helps to watch the match before commenting on it :))
 
Mamoon said:
The match is done and dusted.
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You clearly don't watch much cricket then.

This wouldn't even be one of the top 10 comebacks of the year, if Pakistan were to not lose this (at least if the first innings was the worst of it).
 
This match is far from over, England are extremely prone to collapse so a wicket early morning (preferably Root) could set in motion a serious tumbling of the middle/lower middle order. Heck I'd go on to say that if we get a couple of wicket in the beginning of play I don't see England taking a lead of more than 50 (at best).
 
I don't care about the Lead if England has to bat last and score a 100 I expect Pakistan to make a match out of it . Those who believe that match is already lost weren't they the ones who expected Pakistan to lose the series . Just how many teams get to draw a test series in England.
 
Match lost already due to bad captiancy on batting first. England's batsman were shattered, coach on the brink of getting fired, players changed after one match, and the captain decides to make the same mistake as the other captain in the last test. I don't care if the wicket was dead, so was the confidence of the English but Pakistan managed to save everyone else and lost a easy series
 
Going to be tough with over a 100 runs deficit now.
 
Tabishbeigh said:
I don't care about the Lead if England has to bat last and score a 100 I expect Pakistan to make a match out of it . Those who believe that match is already lost weren't they the ones who expected Pakistan to lose the series . Just how many teams get to draw a test series in England.
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This
Well said

The same people calling it an 'easy' series were claiming that it was a formality for England to win 2-0
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
This
Well said

The same people calling it an 'easy' series were claiming that it was a formality for England to win 2-0
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It would have been better to lose 2-0 than to give us false hopes of a series win after 22 years. 2-0 loss would have been easier to digest than 1-1.
 
SM1989 said:
It would have been better to lose 2-0 than to give us false hopes of a series win after 22 years. 2-0 loss would have been easier to digest than 1-1.
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2-0 loss is better than a 1-1 draw.

You learn something new on PP everyday.
 
At the moment when Pak bat again they need to dig in bat LONG. Will be a big test. Lets hope they fight.
 
If we get the remaining 3 wickets quickly with only a 150 deficit , the game is still on.

If Pakistan can then score 300, England can be beaten but this is a long shot.

England firm favourites but Pakistan must fight hard to the bitter end.
 
KingKhanWC said:
If we get the remaining 3 wickets quickly with only a 150 deficit , the game is still on.

If Pakistan can then score 300, England can be beaten but this is a long shot.

England firm favourites but Pakistan must fight hard to the bitter end.
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My main hope is Azhar is due and Sarf surely must get a 50 somewhere.
 
Its heavily depends on how Pakistan bat in the second innings. If they put up a substantial total for england to chase.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
My main hope is Azhar is due and Sarf surely must get a 50 somewhere.
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I feel the same Azhar is due a big one but needs sort his positioning out as they are clearly targetting him with the LBW.

Sarfraz i have little hope for. Imho he shouldnt be batting above Faheem and Shadab and certainly not at no6.

First things first , clean up the tail quickly as if the ball gets a little older Butler will chance him arm.
 
KingKhanWC said:
I feel the same Azhar is due a big one but needs sort his positioning out as they are clearly targetting him with the LBW.

Sarfraz i have little hope for. Imho he shouldnt be batting above Faheem and Shadab and certainly not at no6.

First things first , clean up the tail quickly as if the ball gets a little older Butler will chance him arm.
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If Curran gets out quickly I think Buttler will start playing big shots.
 
Robert said:
If Curran gets out quickly I think Buttler will start playing big shots.
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Curran looks very handy with bat so may well stay put longer than Butler. Butler can be a brilliant batsmen in the limited overs game or when the ball is old on flat pitch in tests but against the moving new ball looks all at sea. The ball is still newish and the bowlers will run in hard in the morning with cloud cover.

If England get past 350 and the way they bowled in the first innings they will deserve their strong position and to win the game from here.
 
Get England out early tomorrow... Say around 150 run deficit mark and then bat long and I mean LONG. Atleast till 5th day second session to ensure a draw.
 
Arthur said they were looking to keep it under 120, seemed disappointed at Hasan's dropped catch which allowed England to get away a bit at the end of the day.
 
Based on what people voted on this poll, seems we're out of this game :(
 
CricketAnalyst said:
You clearly don't watch much cricket then.

This wouldn't even be one of the top 10 comebacks of the year, if Pakistan were to not lose this (at least if the first innings was the worst of it).
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Just saw this.

I appreciate your posts, but you have been repeatedly wrong about predicting comebacks in Test cricket and successful fourth innings chases. It appears to be your achilles' heel.

Pretty much every time, you back the team that is down and out over the first few days to stage a comeback as well as the team that is batting fourth to prevail. I am not saying you have always been wrong, but you have made incorrect calls on this front more often than not.

This is the latest example, and it reminds me of your confidence in Shafiq and the tail to take Pakistan over the line at the Gabba in 2016. I do remember telling you at the close of day four that we have chance of winning.

You need to appreciate the difficulty of making comebacks in Test cricket as well as chasing totals in the fourth innings.
 
Mamoon said:
Just saw this.

I appreciate your posts, but you have been repeatedly wrong about predicting comebacks in Test cricket and successful fourth innings chases. It appears to be your achilles' heel.

Pretty much every time, you back the team that is down and out over the first few days to stage a comeback as well as the team that is batting fourth to prevail. I am not saying you have always been wrong, but you have made incorrect calls on this front more often than not.

This is the latest example, and it reminds me of your confidence in Shafiq and the tail to take Pakistan over the line at the Gabba in 2016. I do remember telling you at the close of day four that we have chance of winning.

You need to appreciate the difficulty of making comebacks in Test cricket as well as chasing totals in the fourth innings.
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A reasoned and polite reply to a rather rude post. Respect for Mamoon!
 
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