What's the reason for the ouster of Fawad Alam?

[MRSN]

Calm down. Even if Fawad was in the squad who would you drop? Everyone in our test team is a consistent performer except the 2nd opener. He will have to wait until Misbah retires.

but why not have better back ups if available than picking someone who finds it hard to clear inner field or hit big shot? Why rely on a limited test player. Even Azhar Ali is AB De Villiers in front of Fawad.

 

[MRSN]

It's a simple thing Pakistanis can not comprehend. Once we do not have better options then Fawad will get another go.

It's Inzi's philosophy to not select on stats alone.But he did promise that Fawad will remain in contention and we all know Misbah, YK won't be there for long.

I don't think Fawad is the answer post Misbah-YK. Short term solutions is what we have been trying in the last 5 years under Misbah and look where we stand now. Don't think Pakistan should look for short term solutions now. We should develop good quality players that are mentally,technically,physically fit enough and can be part of long term solution. likes of Harris Sohail,Baber Azam should be preferred.

 

[Major]

Umar Akmal & Shehzad to start with

Both players were not selected for the fitness camp and will not be selected for the England Tour.


So the question still stands, which youngsters have been with the team for the last 5 years?

The only players i could name you are Misbah, Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq etc. And all thee players are experience and above 28 players.

Which proves that experience players are required, as they stay longer in the team then the so called talentless youngsters

 

[Zaid9470]

Guys, Let be honest to ourselves.. Somethings will never change.. PCB will never work with only logic.. that will never happen.. It doesn't matter who is the selector or chairman.. PCB will never change.. I ask one question to all you guys who say "Fawad alam is not good" "Fawad alam wont score in England" Blah blah blah... Just answer my one question..

After we lost in worldcups, what was the conclusion everyone agreed with.. We must have fit athletes in our team right.. So we have this long fitness camp where you call 40 players or so which your selection comittee thought were top 40 players in pakistan. Of those players, you have one guy who is the most successfull player in yoru first class history, he has scored every time he has been given a chance.. He was the fittest guy in your camp.. and you tell him we dont have room for you in our 22 best players?.. Please explain me the logic behind it.. Please.. Honestly i don even like fawad alam batting.. I am a guy who loves aggressive batsman.. but i think he deserves a chance just based on what he has been doing for past 10 years.. and to ignore him just show the cricket structure we have in Pakistan. No country in this world would ignore a player who has been consistently the fittest and the best player in your domestic circuit.. no team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Faisalsq092]

Do tell me when he scored a century outside Asia which is exactly Inzi's point. The last few times he had to face quality bowlers he struggled to get the ball away on dead tracks.

If you lot wanted selectors who selected on cricinfo stats then why did you guys cry about Haroon Rashid? Let Inzi do his work. He has made a rational decision in the best interest of Pakistan without any outside influence.

I would rather have Asad, YK, Misbah, Babar, Haris than Fawad on foreign conditions. Once YK, Misbah are out then Fawad has a serious chance to prove himself. But at the moment we have better options in the Test side.

Iftikhar is a strategic choice just like Hafeez used to get in despite failing continuously. Cannot believe that people are even worried about that. Last time Malik was a big success with his offspin.

For once let people who are serious about Pakistan do their work.

Let the chairman of selectors announce that First class performance will hold no value if you are not in the good books of the people in power. We have chanced Umar amin, Ayub Dogar and who not, we have stooped to a point where we are even considering Iftikhar and bringing out reasons to select him. Only for Fawad there are reasons for him to not be selected. I dont know who have been piling centuries for us outside Asia that we start thinking them as the better choice. Goodness, our batsman haven't even scored in Asia or for that matter they did not seem to be even first class champions. Guy is scoring like mad since 10 years, consistency anyone?

Please dont defend Iftikhar as a strategic selection. His batting is so pathetic that I would even consider Bilal Asif, at least he can bowl better off spin. We r selecting a useless batsman because he can bowl some useless offspin.

 

[Faisalsq092]

Guys, Let be honest to ourselves.. Somethings will never change.. PCB will never work with only logic.. that will never happen.. It doesn't matter who is the selector or chairman.. PCB will never change.. I ask one question to all you guys who say "Fawad alam is not good" "Fawad alam wont score in England" Blah blah blah... Just answer my one question..

After we lost in worldcups, what was the conclusion everyone agreed with.. We must have fit athletes in our team right.. So we have this long fitness camp where you call 40 players or so which your selection comittee thought were top 40 players in pakistan. Of those players, you have one guy who is the most successfull player in yoru first class history, he has scored every time he has been given a chance.. He was the fittest guy in your camp.. and you tell him we dont have room for you in our 22 best players?.. Please explain me the logic behind it.. Please.. Honestly i don even like fawad alam batting.. I am a guy who loves aggressive batsman.. but i think he deserves a chance just based on what he has been doing for past 10 years.. and to ignore him just show the cricket structure we have in Pakistan. No country in this world would ignore a player who has been consistently the fittest and the best player in your domestic circuit.. no team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please dont talk sense.. He may be the fittest and the most consistent, but can he slog sweep Moeen Ali over deep midwicket if needed? We need Akmals and Maqsoods to take over our cricket.. When the majority of them avgs. in mid 30s who is he to avg. 56 and create disharmony.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Let the chairman of selectors announce that First class performance will hold no value if you are not in the good books of the people in power. We have chanced Umar amin, Ayub Dogar and who not, we have stooped to a point where we are even considering Iftikhar and bringing out reasons to select him. Only for Fawad there are reasons for him to not be selected. I dont know who have been piling centuries for us outside Asia that we start thinking them as the better choice. Goodness, our batsman haven't even scored in Asia or for that matter they did not seem to be even first class champions. Guy is scoring like mad since 10 years, consistency anyone?

Please dont defend Iftikhar as a strategic selection. His batting is so pathetic that I would even consider Bilal Asif, at least he can bowl better off spin. We r selecting a useless batsman because he can bowl some useless offspin.

Did you know Fawad Alam played two tests in New Zealand after that 168? Do tell me what happened there. And I hope you don't use Cricinfo for that.

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[Faisalsq092]

FYI, without using cricinfo, it was 1 test he played in NZ. batting AT NUMBER 3!! Scoring in single figures I guess against bond at his best. Well done for sealing his fate on his very first outing at an unfamiliar position. Lets just focus on his every poor shot and wicket, who cares about relativity. He is a curse in a team if talented superstars.

 

[Adil_94]

should be included in the test squad but not in shorter formats

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[Prince of Pakistan]

Let the chairman of selectors announce that First class performance will hold no value if you are not in the good books of the people in power. We have chanced Umar amin, Ayub Dogar and who not, we have stooped to a point where we are even considering Iftikhar and bringing out reasons to select him. Only for Fawad there are reasons for him to not be selected. I dont know who have been piling centuries for us outside Asia that we start thinking them as the better choice. Goodness, our batsman haven't even scored in Asia or for that matter they did not seem to be even first class champions. Guy is scoring like mad since 10 years, consistency anyone?

Please dont defend Iftikhar as a strategic selection. His batting is so pathetic that I would even consider Bilal Asif, at least he can bowl better off spin. We r selecting a useless batsman because he can bowl some useless offspin.

Yet you do not allow the new independent selectors to do their work and make rational selections.

It is because of people like you that guys like Inzi, Mickey will not be able to do their work effectively. Once their golden boy isn't selected the media and the fans get mad.

We Pakistanis do not want cricinfo stats selections, but once independent selectors do start selecting based on the player's abilities without any outside influence then that's a disaster as well. Is there any hope for this country?

 

[Faisalsq092]

Yet you do not allow the new independent selectors to do their work and make rational selections.

It is because of people like you that guys like Inzi, Mickey will not be able to do their work effectively. Once their golden boy isn't selected the media and the fans get mad.

We Pakistanis do not want cricinfo stats selections, but once independent selectors do start selecting based on the player's abilities without any outside influence then that's a disaster as well. Is there any hope for this country?

We can have an argument, no need to get personal or directing things at me. u can avoid being judgemental

Fawad is no Golden boy. He is not someone selected or backed on the name of talent. He has gained supporters with performance, commitment and hard work. Had he got even a slight of media backing, he would have been making the squads on his performance.

The country has hope, get your selection based on merits. Inzi and Arthur hopefully will form a combo and produce results. For me its inevitable Fawad will get his share of success given his hard work and commitment. Something we are not valuing and deservedly not getting from many players,

 

[Syed1]

The only format that Fawad Alam is only slightly useful in is the longest format. Should have been in the squad. He could use his excellent fitness to provide the boys with much need refreshments in shortest possible time.

 

[Square Drive]

Tell me a few youngster who have been with the team for the alst 5 years. Plz name me few

Azhar, Shafiq, Umar Akmal, Shehzad, Wahab (came in relatively young).

Anything else?

 

[Usman Chadda]

FYI, without using cricinfo, it was 1 test he played in NZ. batting AT NUMBER 3!! Scoring in single figures I guess against bond at his best. Well done for sealing his fate on his very first outing at an unfamiliar position. Lets just focus on his every poor shot and wicket, who cares about relativity. He is a curse in a team if talented superstars.

Do you remember his mode of dismissal? Fawad Alam fans need to realise he's decent for conditions where the ball doesnt really bounce much and where he's facing mediocre bowling attacks.

He will get his chance anyway once YK and Misbah retire. One of the prime candidates for either of the spots these gentlemen leave vacant. Lets see what happens.

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[Major]

Azhar, Shafiq, Umar Akmal, Shehzad, Wahab (came in relatively young).

Anything else?

Umar Akmal and Shezad are both dropped from the team


Wahab Riaz was not even a regular in the team. He was dropped and vanished in between

Asad Shafiq i will take, and Azhar Ali aswell to some extent.

As i said, we have only managed to have 2 players survived by introducing them at young ages. So that theory that is always placed forward on PP, that by introducing youngsters, you have 7-8 years of cricket in them to see. Well we barely managed only 2 young cricketers to play for 5 years consecutive and that so for only one format.

 

[Square Drive]

Umar Akmal and Shezad are both dropped from the team


Wahab Riaz was not even a regular in the team. He was dropped and vanished in between

Asad Shafiq i will take, and Azhar Ali aswell to some extent.

As i said, we have only managed to have 2 players survived by introducing them at young ages. So that theory that is always placed forward on PP, that by introducing youngsters, you have 7-8 years of cricket in them to see. Well we barely managed only 2 young cricketers to play for 5 years consecutive and that so for only one format.

So what if they've been dropped? It was because of their own attitude, else the PCB is still willing to have them in the side.

And not every youngster has attitude issues.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

We can have an argument, no need to get personal or directing things at me. u can avoid being judgemental

Fawad is no Golden boy. He is not someone selected or backed on the name of talent. He has gained supporters with performance, commitment and hard work. Had he got even a slight of media backing, he would have been making the squads on his performance.

The country has hope, get your selection based on merits. Inzi and Arthur hopefully will form a combo and produce results. For me its inevitable Fawad will get his share of success given his hard work and commitment. Something we are not valuing and deservedly not getting from many players,

Yet with time he will have his chance. Most probably after Aus series. But at the moment there isn't a place in the middle order. As Inzi said there are better options at the moment. I am sure Babar will be included.

 

[Major]

So what if they've been dropped? It was because of their own attitude, else the PCB is still willing to have them in the side.

And not every youngster has attitude issues.

performance. even akhtar's attitude was also handled. Asif was worst than these guys all, but they had performance, thus, their stuff was brushed under the carpet.

Asif would occasionally even do weird stuff in the pavilion, but these guys had performance on their back.

Once you dont have performance, PCB brings in different kinds of reasons just to shut the mouth of public and media, because they will never go with the performance argument.

 

[godzilla]

theres nothing more i would want for sadaf an fawad than to leave pakistan and make a career elsewhere. theyve done the hard yards, topped averages for several seasons and outperformed virtually everyone else.

the pcb has made it pretty clear theres no interest in them, so i cant see any reason for them not to make every attempt to leave. not only would i not blame them for leaving, i would applaud them for doing the right thing.

 

[Abdullah719]

Umar Akmal and Shezad are both dropped from the team


Wahab Riaz was not even a regular in the team. He was dropped and vanished in between

Asad Shafiq i will take, and Azhar Ali aswell to some extent.

As i said, we have only managed to have 2 players survived by introducing them at young ages. So that theory that is always placed forward on PP, that by introducing youngsters, you have 7-8 years of cricket in them to see. Well we barely managed only 2 young cricketers to play for 5 years consecutive and that so for only one format.

Have you considered that there is something wrong with the system?

Every other successful cricket nation introduces players to international cricket at a (relatively) young age, while exceptionally talented players can even get a look in at younger ages, if they are judged to have the mental strength to deal with the rigours of Test cricket.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

I think we should just stop thinking about Fawad anymore.

It's an argument beaten to death, with the same arguments from both sides.

He is not going to be a staple of this team, and it is time to move on.

 

[aamiransari]

Same old mindset

While everyone was praising Inzamam for doing this and that, he ends up ignoring Fawad Alam, not even considered for A team.

Ironically, this guy was amongest the fittest players in the camp. So what was the point of the camps again?

Inzamam is here to disappoint, he will do what his predecessors did, act all tough, but commit the same blunders as before.

We know that he was selected as a selector because of same old mindset. Killing merit and promoting favouritism. During his captaincy he did injustice with Asim Kamal and now Fawad Alam. Inzamam is nothing more than rubber stamp selector like his preceding ones. Utter disappointment!

 

[Anfield]

Do tell me when he scored a century outside Asia which is exactly Inzi's point. The last few times he had to face quality bowlers he struggled to get the ball away on dead tracks.

If you lot wanted selectors who selected on cricinfo stats then why did you guys cry about Haroon Rashid? Let Inzi do his work. He has made a rational decision in the best interest of Pakistan without any outside influence.

I would rather have Asad, YK, Misbah, Babar, Haris than Fawad on foreign conditions. Once YK, Misbah are out then Fawad has a serious chance to prove himself. But at the moment we have better options in the Test side.

Iftikhar is a strategic choice just like Hafeez used to get in despite failing continuously. Cannot believe that people are even worried about that. Last time Malik was a big success with his offspin.

For once let people who are serious about Pakistan do their work.

How many matches he has played out of Asia? 2? How many players you know in our squad scored a century out of Asia in first two matches? Talking about ODIs is irrelevant. He is not a good ODI player.

Stats over the period of 10 years can't be wrong.

What's a strategic choice? Hogging up a space is strategic choice?

 

[ads101]

His ouster was unjust, hard to deny that. He was predicted to fail and dropped as a result. His stats and performance was good. Just because you have two bad tests later does that mean you should be dropped after making a hundred in the first test totally out of position? Completely unfair. Should have been given a fair run, he earnt it through domestic performance.

Same in ODIs, has better stats that most if not all our batsmen, performed in australia and England where he was predicted to fail. But dropped thinking that some other guys who had failed repeatedly would suddenly succeed.

I can't see him fitting into our teams atm though sadly, test team is full and Fawad isn't an opener. Only way is if Azhar promotes himself and even then you'd think Babar would be now next in line to fit in middle order given he's younger and already seems to be cementing his place in ODIs. In ODIs as well, hard to see him fitting into the middle order with Hafeez, Malik, Babar and Sarfraz in it and don't see him playing at 7. If Sarfraz opens you could get him in, but then again you'd argue you might need a more aggressive lower order option given the rest of the middle order.

Think he'll get his chance in tests at least when Misbah and/or YK retire.

 

[Square Drive]

performance. even akhtar's attitude was also handled. Asif was worst than these guys all, but they had performance, thus, their stuff was brushed under the carpet.

Asif would occasionally even do weird stuff in the pavilion, but these guys had performance on their back.

Once you dont have performance, PCB brings in different kinds of reasons just to shut the mouth of public and media, because they will never go with the performance argument.

Except Umar still has the most T20I runs for us (or is just a handful behind Hafeez), and Shehzad has the best average for us in Tests among current openers (9/10 would see Shehzad open in Tests rightnow over Khurram/Iftikhar etc.).

 

[waleed88]

Except Umar still has the most T20I runs for us (or is just a handful behind Hafeez), and Shehzad has the best average for us in Tests among current openers (9/10 would see Shehzad open in Tests rightnow over Khurram/Iftikhar etc.).

They have also been persisted for almost 3 years in both of their cases, giving them the greatest margin and lee way to perform.
I'm sure if given as much chances as these two others would've record some kind of record like they have

 

[waleed88]

performance. even akhtar's attitude was also handled. Asif was worst than these guys all, but they had performance, thus, their stuff was brushed under the carpet.

Asif would occasionally even do weird stuff in the pavilion, but these guys had performance on their back.

Once you dont have performance, PCB brings in different kinds of reasons just to shut the mouth of public and media, because they will never go with the performance argument.

In our culture its a tradition to revere badboys and rule breakers, but belittle and disparage rule followers, consistent formers.
One has to look at the cult following for someone like Amir or an Afridi, Akhtar in their hay days.

 

[waleed88]

I think we should just stop thinking about Fawad anymore.

It's an argument beaten to death, with the same arguments from both sides.

He is not going to be a staple of this team, and it is time to move on.

How does anyone know one is good enough without a chance being given to that player? All that we talk about is speculation, there is no given proof of his inability to play pace in Test Matches.. what's cruel is he fits in all criteria besides his appearance as a batsman, which doesnot seem to please people.
On merit he deserves a chance whatever anyone else has to say about his technique, most deserving and consistent performer out of all candidates.

 

[waleed88]

While player's like Ahmed Shehzad are establishment backed goons, who get to visit UK High Commission despite being disbanded from the squad for bad temperament, merit players are completely oustered from the squad only to fit in suitable candidates who have no role being in the side.
Seriously what is Iftikhar Ahmed even doing in the final X1 after his no shows in which t20s he was given a chance in.
Imagine someone like KP all that protocol after he was found for breaching discipline codes of the International team. We as a country like to glorify such hooligans to no ends

 

[waleed88]

Strange that frequent Posters do not get it.

Inzamam ul Haq announced his selection policy in his day1 as national chief selector.


1. No player over the age of 30 would be selected for Pakistan A.

2. No player who has toured with Pakistan A 4-5 times will be selected for Pakistan A.

3. Such players as mentioned above will be directed selected for Pakistan team if the need arises.



This disqualifies Fawad Alam for Pakistan A squad.


Inzamam has mentioned that with Misbah & Younis in the batting line up its hard for Fawad Alam to break through in the playing eleven and no point of having him on the bench. His chance will come after Misbah & Younis go.


Inzamam also mentioned that they selected Iftikhar Ahmed because he bowls part time off spin and England have 4 left handed batsman. This is a clear indication that Asif Zakir & Akbar ur Rehman are only for the camp based in their last season performance and Inzamam just wants to see them but surely they are not getting selected for Pakistan squad.


Now I will give my personal opinion on this :

Fawad is likely to struggle in England in test cricket anyways. And clearly with Hafeez not certain and no allrounder being selected they want Iftikhar Ahmed to be selected because of offspinn option against their lefties that too if any of Misbah, Younis, Asad or Azhar got injured.

It would have been unfair for a 56 averaging player warming the bench only in England.


Fawad will be in picture for test cricket once Misbah & Younis retire. And he will be suited to non seaming conditions. Like in UAE with his temperament and grit only he would most likely average 50 or 50 plus.


[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

Comforting as it may sound, there is no guarantee of that happening yet, after his omission from the ODI squad for similar reasons he has failed to be a part of the squad he deserves to be on merit, let alone take an allrounder who has issues holding the bat properly, and was played as an opener only to realize he was worst than Mukhtar, a complete hack and hit ball 'with eyes closed' kind of guy.
With mediocre bowlers like Willey making him look a idiiot facing the new ball, what chance does this guy have against broad, finn, anderson

 

[waleed88]

All those fawad bashers who have issues with his strike rate hitting ability stance posture batting style I ask you this : Due you think Fawad deserves to be a part of the squad on the basis of his fitness, domestic performances, consistency, discipline, hard work, dedication? or NOT??

On merit??
No one is talking about where he would fit in the team, but should he be a part of the squad on merit?? Does he deserve to be in contention for the hard yards he has put in, i.e does his hard work deserve the merit of the most high profile series pakistan will play since 2013 South Africa?
I think no one can doubt that, you can argue his pros and cons whichever way you can, but atleast don't undermine the system you have put in to promote the talent, or atleast give them a measure of where they stand.
This guy is top of the list in every way possible, so regardless of whether he plays or not he deserves to be there.

 

[waleed88]

Secondly for those who don't know Misbah's past history, Misbah was not selected for the test squad that played against England and Australia in 2010, and Misbah was said to have felt like 'burning his kit down'

People mentioned that Misbah was looking for real state in England to settle permanently there and play county cricket. Due to his frustration of not being selected despite being a top performers in domestics. Also having failed against Australia in Australia as a batsman. (Famous sydney test Misbah managed to get a duck).
However that didn't stop Misbah the batsman from coming back after the spot fixing scandal he helped team get a respectable draw against a Top SA side in UAE.

Similar questions were also asked about Misbah's technique and age (Him being 36) at that time, newer talent and captain was being asked for.. but look where that got us, cricketing isolation and disregard for a good 6 years now, a gift from the spot fixing trio.. yes all were under 30.

So think before making a wish in England.. its better to have calmer experienced heads than youngsters who may or may not be the future of the team

 

[waleed88]

Its an insult to the hard work a said player has put in, to be replaced by an untested youngster who has no role being in the squad in the first place.. A complete joke of a selection.
Undermines the system intact that was used to measure the capability of the player who is player.. if people don't believe in this system why is it still intact? It shouldn't be..
If his awkward technique is the reason for his removal than stop using stats to judge other players for criteria as well.. it should work both ways..
Umar Akmal or Shehzad fans always seem to have a justification waiting with the statsmen at hand, but Fawad's stats are not readible enough to garner support in his favor. This selected eye is a hypocrisy of the posters here for a very long time

 

[waleed88]

Misbah the current captain of the side, the core of the middle order, was not even considered fit for the last tour to England, for the same reasons Fawad has been dropped now, Unconventional, atypical, inconsistent, miserly, different, in declining years..

 

[Faisalsq092]

How does anyone know one is good enough without a chance being given to that player? All that we talk about is speculation, there is no given proof of his inability to play pace in Test Matches.. what's cruel is he fits in all criteria besides his appearance as a batsman, which doesnot seem to please people.
On merit he deserves a chance whatever anyone else has to say about his technique, most deserving and consistent performer out of all candidates.

Its been a while since fans here have been crying to select players with fitness, who are committed to the cause, have got excellent work ethic, knows how to rotate strike, is a proven performer, a top class fielder, can easily manage few bowling overs, a left handed middle order. But as soon as you let out Fawad's name they will start moaning how ugly he had lookes while making those 168. How badly he failed in his only overseas test batting at no.3. At the same time they will be justifying how Maqsood and Shehzad should be given an extended run to prove themselves. How good is Babar Azam who is going to rule the next generation batting charts and he deserves to be in the side based on limited exposure in our domestic comps over someone who have grafted his way up the pecking order.

These same guys will moan about how our domestic performers are not considered and immediately dig out stats, but if the name is Fawad, 10 years of domestic performances wouldnt matter and their crystal balls will ruthlessly disregard all the hard work some guy has put in over all those years just to realize his dream.

They will rather accept undisciplined hyped up candidates with false promises of performances than someone who is actually performing.

I just feel sad putting myself in place of Fawad. We expect so much with so little work we put in and this guy hear have virtually done everything in his control yet gets a cold shoulder in favour of some average players.

 

[Markhor]

We know that he was selected as a selector because of same old mindset. Killing merit and promoting favouritism. During his captaincy he did injustice with Asim Kamal and now Fawad Alam. Inzamam is nothing more than rubber stamp selector like his preceding ones. Utter disappointment!

OK shall we sack him already then ?

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

How many matches he has played out of Asia? 2? How many players you know in our squad scored a century out of Asia in first two matches? Talking about ODIs is irrelevant. He is not a good ODI player.

Stats over the period of 10 years can't be wrong.

What's a strategic choice? Hogging up a space is strategic choice?

There are quite a few but they could because their batting basics were allright which is Inzi's point. But at the moment it's Babar > Fawad in tests and with Haris Sohail back Fawad will have to wait till YK, Misbah quit.

Stats of Khurram, latif aren't wrong as well but you can see how they struggle to get the ball away against quality pacers.

If you do not get strategy then have a look at how Misbah used Malik effectively against ENG while he kept struggling with the bat. Hafeez has also been used this way for years. But ye in the end if you do not wish to understand something then you never will. Inzi even gave an explanation about how there aren't many off spinners in the country.

 

[Anfield]

There are quite a few but they could because their batting basics were allright which is Inzi's point. But at the moment it's Babar > Fawad in tests and with Haris Sohail back Fawad will have to wait till YK, Misbah quit.

Stats of Khurram, latif aren't wrong as well but you can see how they struggle to get the ball away against quality pacers.

If you do not get strategy then have a look at how Misbah used Malik effectively against ENG while he kept struggling with the bat. Hafeez has also been used this way for years. But ye in the end if you do not wish to understand something then you never will. Inzi even gave an explanation about how there aren't many off spinners in the country.

How many matches? 2? that's quite a few?

Yea Khurram Manzoor and Latif have 50+ averages in domestic right? Their averages are in 30s. Nothing special to write about.

Malik has actually played a lot of cricket and can score on flat wicket unlike Iftikhar Ahmed. Misbah kept playing malik because he scored a double ton in the first match. It's ridiculous to block a position because someone can bowl a bit.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

How many matches? 2? that's quite a few?

Yea Khurram Manzoor and Latif have 50+ averages in domestic right? Their averages are in 30s. Nothing special to write about.

Malik has actually played a lot of cricket and can score on flat wicket unlike Iftikhar Ahmed. Misbah kept playing malik because he scored a double ton in the first match. It's ridiculous to block a position because someone can bowl a bit.

Khurram Manzoor has like 8/9 centuries in 10 games. According to many we would be crazy to not select him. Same goes for Sharjeel, Maqsood who have monstrous averages in list A. But we all know our standard of domestic cricket, except a few delusional fans ofcourse.

Actually Malik has serious issues against fast bowlers. The thing with Ifti is that he is limited, very similar to Misbah with his batting temperament. But yea its nothing new from pak selectors to put in an off-spin option against a side which has many left handers. You might not agree with them but it is a part of Misbah's bowling plan.

The good thing this time has been that there is a reason for everything. In the past it used to be outside influence or only stat selections.

 

[Anfield]

Khurram Manzoor has like 8/9 centuries in 10 games. According to many we would be crazy to not select him. Same goes for Sharjeel, Maqsood who have monstrous averages in list A. But we all know our standard of domestic cricket, except a few delusional fans ofcourse.

Actually Malik has serious issues against fast bowlers. The thing with Ifti is that he is limited, very similar to Misbah with his batting temperament. But yea its nothing new from pak selectors to put in an off-spin option against a side which has many left handers. You might not agree with them but it is a part of Misbah's bowling plan.

The good thing this time has been that there is a reason for everything. In the past it used to be outside influence or only stat selections.

Maqsood has been given a lot of chances in LOI international and he has failed almost all the times. Fawad has been given only 4 chances in test cricket to justify his high FC average and he scored 160+ in one of them so there is your difference when compared to Shoaib Maqsood.

Less said about Sharjeel the better. He has a very low average in FC cricket.

Yes our FC cricket is not that good but the truth is we don't have many batsmen in our FC who averages over 50 after play a good number of matches. Please name me a few who averaged 56 in FC cricket but were utter failures in Test cricket?

 

[umerz]

Very sad state of affairs. Na insaafi hai

 

[Usman Chadda]

All those fawad bashers who have issues with his strike rate hitting ability stance posture batting style I ask you this : Due you think Fawad deserves to be a part of the squad on the basis of his fitness, domestic performances, consistency, discipline, hard work, dedication? or NOT??

On merit??
No one is talking about where he would fit in the team, but should he be a part of the squad on merit?? Does he deserve to be in contention for the hard yards he has put in, i.e does his hard work deserve the merit of the most high profile series pakistan will play since 2013 South Africa?
I think no one can doubt that, you can argue his pros and cons whichever way you can, but atleast don't undermine the system you have put in to promote the talent, or atleast give them a measure of where they stand.
This guy is top of the list in every way possible, so regardless of whether he plays or not he deserves to be there.

If you're talking about ODIs:

Fawad Alam made the squad to Bangladesh 2015 on merit. Fawad Alam struggled like a school boy infront of a mediocre nobody like Arafat Sunny. A nonsense player like Saad Nasim and a debutant Mohammad Rizwan scored fighting half-centuries while Fawad bhai poked, nudged and pushed around for single figures.

He has only himself to blame for losing his ODI spot.

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[Square Drive]

They have also been persisted for almost 3 years in both of their cases, giving them the greatest margin and lee way to perform.
I'm sure if given as much chances as these two others would've record some kind of record like they have

That's not the point.

Read the previous conversation before sticking your head in, buddy.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

How does anyone know one is good enough without a chance being given to that player? All that we talk about is speculation, there is no given proof of his inability to play pace in Test Matches.. what's cruel is he fits in all criteria besides his appearance as a batsman, which doesnot seem to please people.
On merit he deserves a chance whatever anyone else has to say about his technique, most deserving and consistent performer out of all candidates.

Once again, if you read my post, you saw that he only belongs in one format, tests, and he doesn't really have a spot there given the lineup.

Isn't an opener, but middle order, who does he replace? Misbah? YK? Shafiq? AA?

So now that we have established he doesn't have a spot at the moment, when will a spot open? Probably in 1-2 years, and what happens then? Babar and Harris, as I said, will probably be ready to replace them.

If Harris doesn't return to form, then a spot is open, and I assume Fawad will be in the running.

Consistent performer on what front? He has played three tests, and they were years ago, so hard to really use that as judgement.

Do people really believe that if Fawad truly was going to make this team that good, that he would be out all these years? PCB is a terrible organization, agreed, but Fawad Alam isn't as great as everyone makes him out to be either. Maybe it could just be they saved him from his own embarrassment.

I am a pretty big stat supporter myself, but it is not as though he is doing better than the middle order even when looking at stats in relation to tests where in his three matches he had a 41 average.

So what do we have? Not a player who can succeed in the modern LOI matches, and has better players in front of him in tests. The logic isn't as mindboggling as people make it seem. This on merit he deserves a chance has no basis for it, it's just throwing words out in the world for the sake of it.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

I'm glad the selectors realize he's not worth investing in. It's embarrassing to see Pakistan ridiculously flawed batsmen like Fawad. What Pakistan needs are not talent hunts, camps, etc. but money invested in qualified coaches. Our players haven't had access to county coaches for 15+ years now and the results are there for everyone to see. The likes of Inzi, Yousuf, Anwar, Salim were only able to evolve into top tier batsmen because they had access to coaches to rectify their technical deficiencies, improve efficiency by making subtle adjustments and then test themselves in a very competitive FC system.

Pakistan won't be able to replicate the level of competition of County cricket but qualified coaches can be hired at any time. This is where PCB should be investing their money.

 

[Boyo]

Everyone has been quite unfair on Fawad tbh. He was/is a great player but the selectors seem to have problems with him.

 

[Colt]

Fawad can only play one format which is Tests and he'll hopefully get his chance again after Misbah and Younus retire.

He could of been our version of Chanderpaul but unfortunately he was selected in the wrong formats which hampered his chances.

Its the selectors and not him to blame for his ouster.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Maqsood has been given a lot of chances in LOI international and he has failed almost all the times. Fawad has been given only 4 chances in test cricket to justify his high FC average and he scored 160+ in one of them so there is your difference when compared to Shoaib Maqsood.

Less said about Sharjeel the better. He has a very low average in FC cricket.

Yes our FC cricket is not that good but the truth is we don't have many batsmen in our FC who averages over 50 after play a good number of matches. Please name me a few who averaged 56 in FC cricket but were utter failures in Test cricket?

The way our domestic works we will always have a few players who average monstrous in FC but couldn't stamp their authority in International cricket. Hasan Raza comes to mind. In the end stats aren't everything.

Fawad Alam also got a few long runs in ODI cricket but always got stuck against quality bowling against whom he couldn't get the ball away. I don't mind Fawad Alam in Test cricket at all, but I do not see how he gets ahead of Younis Khan, Misbah ul Haq, Asad Shafiq, Babar Azam, Haris Sohail, Mohammad Rizwan at the moment. Unless we take 20 players with us on tour.

As Inzi said he will be in whenever there is a slot free. Yes, he should have gotten a consistent run a few years back but nowadays we got a settled squad.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Fawad can only play one format which is Tests and he'll hopefully get his chance again after Misbah and Younus retire.

He could of been our version of Chanderpaul but unfortunately he was selected in the wrong formats which hampered his chances.

Its the selectors and not him to blame for his ouster.

That's what I have been saying for days. It's a matter of time.

 

[Rayyman]

I don't want to see Alam batting against inswinging yorkers from Starc and Boult.

 

[surprise-package]

Well he did well against the banana swing of Kulasekra when all others around him were struggling, and that too as an opener.

For someone who has an appetite for big runs, it's tragic that they are not giving him a chance.

 

[asifp]

Fawad Alam should have moved away from Pakistan.

I dont know any other country in the world, where the greatest four day Domestic batsman in their country of all time can not get into the test team.

He should still move to the West Indies and ask a special permission to play test cricket!

 

[Citizen4]

Misbah is retiring, Younis will retire later this year I guess. 2 spots will be up for grabs. I hope he gets a chance then.
Misbah-esque comeback on the cards.

 

[godzilla]

theres a chance he comes in when misbah and younis retire, although if that were the case, you would have thought they would have selected him instead of salauddin.

I'm hearing from an inside source inzi doesn't rate him because of his style.

I suspect inzi isnt smart enough to have examined the record though. together with the fact that I presume he has become disheartened and is not performing as well in the last two seasons, I see the chance of a recall as slim.

but Shan masood on the other hand, what a talent.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

His technique is a joke.

We need more batters like Babar Azam.

 

[BA56]

His technique has yielded the best record in the history of Pakistan First Class cricket. I'd say it's pretty top notch.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Pakistan Cricket Board.

 

[yasir]

Are we still talking about Fawad Alam, really? - That train has left long time ago. I am glad PCB has not invested in him. PPers will be talking about Fawad and Sadaf till 2030 I guess, when they will get this

 

[waleed88]

Inzi has proven to be the most biased selector in Pakistan cricket for awhile... some of his selections are absolute idiotic

 

[shaz619]

I know that many of you are not fans of his technique, even so; is his treatment justified? he deserves an opportunity which he has earned.

 

[Citizen4]

I know that many of you are not fans of his technique, even so; is his treatment justified? he deserves an opportunity which he has earned.

I don't know about PP experts but Chanderpaul, who scored almost 12K test runs at 51, and all the fair people would agree that Fawad deserves a comeback.

 

[SaadAliG]

Can someone start a petition?

 

[superman]

Fawad vs shan masood at any position and fawad wins each time

 

[SaadAliG]

Fawad vs shan masood at any position and fawad wins each time

He can easily replace one of Misbah, Younis and can be as consistent.

 

[mayankp.sverige]

he needs to be selected now he is better than Imam Ul Haq

 

[Ummii]

Pak A squad announced and he is not selected. Certainly he is way way better than Ifti

 

[saadsahabjee]

a guy averging 57 in FC is not selected even after the retirement of misbah and younis , something fishy is going on behind the scenes.

 

[Zain]

Im Pro Fawad, the only reason i can think that he is not selected is that his technique is unorthodox and he is not the most pleasing on the eye, but cricket is a game of application and if you can apply a method which works for you and you score runs then you should not be over looked.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He is never getting selected simple as that. About time we all gave up hope.

 

[Major]

The question still stands

The only thing that could be deduced is that he did something with someone and that someone is taking revenge.


Else no reason exists