What's up with Ehsan Adil?

[AmirFutureWasim]

Ehsan Adil is a player who can be a handful for our England and Australia tours in the future.

He's very tall, very skilled, hard working, gets good bounce and swing.

He also is a decent bat and will strengthen our lower order in test matches.

I think [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] among other members can agree to the value he can provide on some of our test tours in 2016.

I think a line up of:

Amir, Adil, Wahab,
Gohar, Shah

would be quite strong.

I just haven't heard about him in a long time. He was unheard of in the tests, odis, and t20 series in the recent English tour. I understand his effectiveness in the UAE is questionable but are there any updates on him??

 

[AlphaFighter]

Garbage bowler. Move on. Has never impressed in any of the chances he has been given.

 

[Moe]

Garbage bowler. Move on. Has never impressed in any of the chances he has been given.

Sri Lanka test, K.

 

[Suleiman]

He's alright in tests, and I'd have him in my bowling attack for australia, seems to be in decent form in the QA trophy.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Sri Lanka test, K.

Sheikhupura connection.

 

[Junaids]

Garbage bowler. Move on. Has never impressed in any of the chances he has been given.

The only suitable surface on which he has played was the Third Test at Centurion in South Africa three years ago, where his figures in the only innings were:

12.1-2-54-2 (dismissed Smith for 5 and Du Plessis for 29)

I think you need to understand that his style is the same as Josh Hazlewood (@Convict [MENTION=8418]Random Aussie[/MENTION], comments?): a very tall, hit-the-deck, 135K bowler.

Such bowlers rarely do well in Asia because they rely either upon bounce (in Australia, South Africa) or lateral movement off the grassy surface of the pitch (England, New Zealand). That's why Ambrose struggled on his last tour of Pakistan.

Ehsan Adil is actually bowling nicely currently and finally is starting to score a few runs again. Remember, he made his name as an Under-19 player on tour in South Africa, where Adil and Quinton de Kock were head and shoulders above every other player on display.

His recent record is:

Current match:
15-3-60-5 and 17

Recent matches:
8
3-45 and 1-50

10 & 58 not out
1-56 and 2-37

4-38 and 1-20

39
0-55

0
2-27
4-43

First class batting average = 28.75
First class bowling average = 18.74

We have just seen Australia beat New Zealand because their tail scored more runs, even though the batting and bowling was evenly matched.

Pakistan will sign their death warrant outside Asia next year if they don't select enough bowlers who can bat.

My tail in England, New Zealand and Australia would be:

7. Sarfraz Ahmed (who has a great batting record for Pakistan A in Australia).
8. Mohammad Amir
9. Ehsan Adil
10. Yasir Shah
11. Wahab Riaz

When Wahab Riaz is batting at number 11 you know that your tail is in good working order!

 

[Suleiman]

The only suitable surface on which he has played was the Third Test at Centurion in South Africa three years ago, where his figures in the only innings were:

12.1-2-54-2 (dismissed Smith for 5 and Du Plessis for 29)

I think you need to understand that his style is the same as Josh Hazlewood (@Convict [MENTION=8418]Random Aussie[/MENTION], comments?): a very tall, hit-the-deck, 135K bowler.

Such bowlers rarely do well in Asia because they rely either upon bounce (in Australia, South Africa) or lateral movement off the grassy surface of the pitch (England, New Zealand). That's why Ambrose struggled on his last tour of Pakistan.

Ehsan Adil is actually bowling nicely currently and finally is starting to score a few runs again. Remember, he made his name as an Under-19 player on tour in South Africa, where Adil and Quinton de Kock were head and shoulders above every other player on display.

His recent record is:

Current match:
15-3-60-5 and 17

Recent matches:
8
3-45 and 1-50

10 & 58 not out
1-56 and 2-37

4-38 and 1-20

39
0-55

0
2-27
4-43

First class batting average = 28.75
First class bowling average = 18.74

We have just seen Australia beat New Zealand because their tail scored more runs, even though the batting and bowling was evenly matched.

Pakistan will sign their death warrant outside Asia next year if they don't select enough bowlers who can bat.

My tail in England, New Zealand and Australia would be:

7. Sarfraz Ahmed (who has a great batting record for Pakistan A in Australia).
8. Mohammad Amir
9. Ehsan Adil
10. Yasir Shah
11. Wahab Riaz

When Wahab Riaz is batting at number 11 you know that your tail is in good working order!

Sarfraz fans will crucify you for putting their idol in the tail )

 

[ChachaCricket]

The only suitable surface on which he has played was the Third Test at Centurion in South Africa three years ago, where his figures in the only innings were:

12.1-2-54-2 (dismissed Smith for 5 and Du Plessis for 29)

I think you need to understand that his style is the same as Josh Hazlewood (@Convict [MENTION=8418]Random Aussie[/MENTION], comments?): a very tall, hit-the-deck, 135K bowler.

Such bowlers rarely do well in Asia because they rely either upon bounce (in Australia, South Africa) or lateral movement off the grassy surface of the pitch (England, New Zealand). That's why Ambrose struggled on his last tour of Pakistan.

Ehsan Adil is actually bowling nicely currently and finally is starting to score a few runs again. Remember, he made his name as an Under-19 player on tour in South Africa, where Adil and Quinton de Kock were head and shoulders above every other player on display.

His recent record is:

Current match:
15-3-60-5 and 17

Recent matches:
8
3-45 and 1-50

10 & 58 not out
1-56 and 2-37

4-38 and 1-20

39
0-55

0
2-27
4-43

First class batting average = 28.75
First class bowling average = 18.74

We have just seen Australia beat New Zealand because their tail scored more runs, even though the batting and bowling was evenly matched.

Pakistan will sign their death warrant outside Asia next year if they don't select enough bowlers who can bat.

My tail in England, New Zealand and Australia would be:

7. Sarfraz Ahmed (who has a great batting record for Pakistan A in Australia).
8. Mohammad Amir
9. Ehsan Adil
10. Yasir Shah
11. Wahab Riaz

When Wahab Riaz is batting at number 11 you know that your tail is in good working order!

Ehsan Adil is not a Hazlewood type bowler. Ehsan brings his arm from the side and his action collapses in delivery stride, literally folds, thus loses a lot of height.

Hazlewood has a high arm action and his arm never comes down throughout. He loses height slightly because his footblock collapses but his core holds up well.

Hazlewood's action is far more repeatable, thus more accurate, than Adil's and exploits more bounce.

In essence, they're similar type of bowlers because of their height and seaming ability but they're not the same.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], will you really only take 4 bowlers though if you had it your way? Wouldn't Gohar or Imad Wasim be options? I mean ideally Yasir should have a bowler to work in tandem with. If Gohar is in the team, I think it's a bit of a slap to the face of Sarfraz making him bat lower than him.

Otherwise I agree with your bowling selection. Might swap Adil with Yasir Shah depending on Shah's batting form and if quick runs are needed.
[MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION] what are your overall thoughts on Adil? Not on UAE pitches but overseas. I personally think he'd be a good investment especially for our Australia tour and England tour as well.

 

[ChachaCricket]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], will you really only take 4 bowlers though if you had it your way? Wouldn't Gohar or Imad Wasim be options? I mean ideally Yasir should have a bowler to work in tandem with. If Gohar is in the team, I think it's a bit of a slap to the face of Sarfraz making him bat lower than him.

Otherwise I agree with your bowling selection. Might swap Adil with Yasir Shah depending on Shah's batting form and if quick runs are needed.
[MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION] what are your overall thoughts on Adil? Not on UAE pitches but overseas. I personally think he'd be a good investment for especially our Australia tour and England tour as well.

He can be handy overseas but he's got to strengthen his core and legs. His action collapses far too much thus loses accuracy which he really shouldn't be losing. It's basic stuff that can be worked on.

He has a pretty good skillset, a good prospect but needs to make his action repeatable.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

He can be handy overseas but he's got to strengthen his core and legs. His action collapses far too much thus loses accuracy which he really shouldn't be losing. It's basic stuff that can be worked on.

He has a pretty good skillset, a good prospect but needs to make his action repeatable.

thank you. He has always seemed like a pretty injury prone bowler.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], will you really only take 4 bowlers though if you had it your way? Wouldn't Gohar or Imad Wasim be options? I mean ideally Yasir should have a bowler to work in tandem with. If Gohar is in the team, I think it's a bit of a slap to the face of Sarfraz making him bat lower than him.

Otherwise I agree with your bowling selection. Might swap Adil with Yasir Shah depending on Shah's batting form and if quick runs are needed.
[MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION] what are your overall thoughts on Adil? Not on UAE pitches but overseas. I personally think he'd be a good investment especially for our Australia tour and England tour as well.

It's a well-made point, but absolutely not applicable for the 2016 tours to England, New Zealand and Australia.

There are no circumstances, zero, in which a second specialist spinner should be used. That's the other mistake that New Zealand made at Adelaide.

You rarely find even 20 overs bowled in a day by a spinner outside Asia, and Yasir Shah can do that with help from Azhar Ali (and, sigh, Hafeez, who will average 7.16 with the bat again like he did in South Africa if the selectors are stupid enough to pick him).

You need one swing bowler (Amir), one express pace bowler (Wahab Riaz) and one tall, bouncy bowler who can bat (Ehsan Adil).

The thing is, you will have to use Azhar Ali at 3 and Asad Shafiq at 6 because you know that at their age Younis Khan at 4 and Misbah-ul-Haq at 5 are going to be walking wickets outside Asia - the signs were already obvious even in the UAE against England and New Zealand each time they faced the second new ball.

That means that in Tests outside Asia - which are the only format that Ehsan Adil could ever play - the only way you can ever pick Zafar Gohar or Imad Wasim is by dropping Yasir Shah.

Waqar Younis had high hopes for Ehsan Adil as a Hazlewood-style bowler who could bat at 9 in Australia, South Africa, England and New Zealand. And he has clearly been disappointed by Ehsan Adil's failure to improve with bat or ball, and I think he thinks that he's not hard-working enough in terms of training and fitness.

 

[Junaids]

He can be handy overseas but he's got to strengthen his core and legs. His action collapses far too much thus loses accuracy which he really shouldn't be losing. It's basic stuff that can be worked on.

He has a pretty good skillset, a good prospect but needs to make his action repeatable.

Yes, I agree. I don't understand why Waqar hasn't been able to fix this.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Yes, I agree. I don't understand why Waqar hasn't been able to fix this.

That's the strength and conditioning coach's job.

 

[Junaids]

That's the strength and conditioning coach's job.

I would hope that the bowling coach would get him higher in his delivery stride and would make his action more repeatable.

 

[ChachaCricket]

I would hope that the bowling coach would get him higher in his delivery stride and would make his action more repeatable.

Bowling coach can't do anything if he doesn't have the core/leg strength.

 

[Asif321]

another hyped player was made to look new Asif here .

 

[axl100mph]

Bowling coach can't do anything if he doesn't have the core/leg strength.

Atleast he can rectify his mechanics.
The strength/ conditioning comes into play when you have to bowl with that technique for a while.
The mechanics themelves arent that dependent on strength after a certain point

As far as I can see, ehsan adil has one of the worst n most inefficient bowling actions around

 

[axl100mph]

another hyped player was made to look new Asif here .

The guy in your dp still continues on to be one of the most watchable bowlers in pakistan.
Pity that he had no self belief and is socially awkward

 

[ChachaCricket]

Atleast he can rectify his mechanics.
The strength/ conditioning comes into play when you have to bowl with that technique for a while.
The mechanics themelves arent that dependent on strength after a certain point

As far as I can see, ehsan adil has one of the worst n most inefficient bowling actions around

What would you rectify that doesn't require core and leg strength?

 

[Pakcricket89]

He is not a bad bowler, has shown glimpses of potential

He is an out-swinger and can seam it in, just needs to bowl more in test cricket

Last time he played in Srilanka, he looked good with new ball, Though pitch was flat and thus didnt look same wit olden ball

 

[axl100mph]

What would you rectify that doesn't require core and leg strength?

How can he not have enough core strength to start with. He is an international level athlete not an average joe.
Even a club/league cricketer like me has enough core strength to rectify my action.

How different is amir, milne when he debuted or sami in his younger years from adil. you might argue that they naturally have more coordinated fast twitch fiber muscles but there is a reason why milne got injured so often. Its bcoz his muscles were not strong enough to support his bowling action. However, thats a question of durability and not performing that action.

You cant have a weak core and be playing first class cricket.
Yes you need muscle mass to sustain yourself from all the breakdown but for an athlete at his level, can ehsan not even get his mechanics right.
He is all over the place for god's sake

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

How can he not have enough core strength to start with. He is an international level athlete not an average joe.
Even a club/league cricketer like me has enough core strength to rectify my action.

How different is amir, milne when he debuted or sami in his younger years from adil. you might argue that they naturally have more coordinated fast twitch fiber muscles but there is a reason why milne got injured so often. Its bcoz his muscles were not strong enough to support his bowling action. However, thats a question of durability and not performing that action.

You cant have a weak core and be playing first class cricket.
Yes you need muscle mass to sustain yourself from all the breakdown but for an athlete at his level, can ehsan not even get his mechanics right.
He is all over the place for god's sake

maybe we need to somehow get him on Mark Rippletoe's Starting Strength program. Irfan can be free to join as well.

 

[ChachaCricket]

How can he not have enough core strength to start with. He is an international level athlete not an average joe.
Even a club/league cricketer like me has enough core strength to rectify my action.

How different is amir, milne when he debuted or sami in his younger years from adil. you might argue that they naturally have more coordinated fast twitch fiber muscles but there is a reason why milne got injured so often. Its bcoz his muscles were not strong enough to support his bowling action. However, thats a question of durability and not performing that action.

You cant have a weak core and be playing first class cricket.
Yes you need muscle mass to sustain yourself from all the breakdown but for an athlete at his level, can ehsan not even get his mechanics right.
He is all over the place for god's sake

Mate, he literally folds in delivery stride. That is a clear sign of weak core. His legs and core can't hold his body up, as he lands his footblock collapses, body falls over and then the head. He gets all his pace from arm rotation. None of his mechanics can be corrected until he strengthens his base and posture.

His body's lankier and loose limbed than Milne, Amir and he's not a natural athlete like them; they're not good comparisons tbh.

If his core was strong enough, he wouldn't be folding like that. Losing a ridiculous amount of height and pace there. He strengthens his quads, glutes, hamstrings, abdomen, obliques, lower back and you'll see a much more upright action. From there he can rectify his mechanics.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

It's a well-made point, but absolutely not applicable for the 2016 tours to England, New Zealand and Australia.

There are no circumstances, zero, in which a second specialist spinner should be used. That's the other mistake that New Zealand made at Adelaide.

You rarely find even 20 overs bowled in a day by a spinner outside Asia, and Yasir Shah can do that with help from Azhar Ali (and, sigh, Hafeez, who will average 7.16 with the bat again like he did in South Africa if the selectors are stupid enough to pick him).

You need one swing bowler (Amir), one express pace bowler (Wahab Riaz) and one tall, bouncy bowler who can bat (Ehsan Adil).

The thing is, you will have to use Azhar Ali at 3 and Asad Shafiq at 6 because you know that at their age Younis Khan at 4 and Misbah-ul-Haq at 5 are going to be walking wickets outside Asia - the signs were already obvious even in the UAE against England and New Zealand each time they faced the second new ball.

That means that in Tests outside Asia - which are the only format that Ehsan Adil could ever play - the only way you can ever pick Zafar Gohar or Imad Wasim is by dropping Yasir Shah.

Waqar Younis had high hopes for Ehsan Adil as a Hazlewood-style bowler who could bat at 9 in Australia, South Africa, England and New Zealand. And he has clearly been disappointed by Ehsan Adil's failure to improve with bat or ball, and I think he thinks that he's not hard-working enough in terms of training and fitness.

yea makes sense. I agree with the fast bowling combo, lots of variety and each brings a different element to the table. Yasir, along with Azhar / Shafiq (seemed decent in UAE) / Hafeez / Babar (if he makes the team) / Haris Sohail (if he's not retired by then) should be enough for support.

I really wish Adil got stronger. Am a fan of his.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Given Adil's height and lanky body, he should've modeled himself after Ambrose.

 

[Hawkeye]

Ehsan is a very brittle trundler who gets injured if he tries to bowl above 135kph.

There's no skill with the ball either, not sure how he made it to internationals.

 

[sunnykhan]

Very good observation by Junaid. Saying this from the beginning. Ehsan Adil won't work on Asian Pitches. He needs green top or wicket which offers bounce. He's a mere trundler right now.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Ehsan Adil is a player who can be a handful for our England and Australia tours in the future.

He's very tall, very skilled, hard working, gets good bounce and swing.

He also is a decent bat and will strengthen our lower order in test matches.

I think [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] among other members can agree to the value he can provide on some of our test tours in 2016.

I think a line up of:

Amir, Adil, Wahab,
Gohar, Shah

would be quite strong.

I just haven't heard about him in a long time. He was unheard of in the tests, odis, and t20 series in the recent English tour. I understand his effectiveness in the UAE is questionable but are there any updates on him??

Never seen his sklls, his hard word in all matches he has played. Imran Khan easily outclassed him, so it's better to stick with those players who are performing.

 

[Justcrazy]

He is not good with bad , its a myth.

Guys like Tanvir , wahab , Yasir etc all hailed as all rounders , fail to score basic runs.

The truth is Pakistan bowlers are poor with bat .

 

[zabalestmsm]

Very good observation by Junaid. Saying this from the beginning. Ehsan Adil won't work on Asian Pitches. He needs green top or wicket which offers bounce. He's a mere trundler right now.

Ehsan Adil had impressed me a lot in the starting days of his domestic career! But havent impressed in International cricket so far barring his debut! But if he wont click on Asian pitches, then we dont need such bowlers!

 

[Ahson8]

Think Mir Hamza is a better option.

 

[zabalestmsm]

If a bowler cant perform on Asian pitches, then we dont need such a bowler as any decent fast bowler will perform some how in bowling friendly conditions overseas! He should prove himself in Asia first!

Yes we need a right handed fast bowler but Imran Khan is performing well! And we need to back him instead at least till the England tour! If he doesnt impress there then another option can be taken into consideration for the Australia tour! Same goes for Wahab and Rahat!

And I believe if our top/middle order bats well, then even the worse tail will gain confidence because of them and score runs for fun!

 

[#GreenRoars]

Think Mir Hamza is a better option.

Miro should be in squad.

 

[saeed5646]

Picked by quetta in place of injured Umar gul

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Picked by quetta in place of injured Umar gul

would have liked to see an allrounder but i like Ehsan, think people are writing him off far to quickly. Hope He does well but sadly i feel sarfraz will go back to Anwar

 

[Hawkeye]

Loool. Good for islu if we face Quetta ahead.

Our bats will LOVE to smash around this mediocre trundling machine.

Very very overhyped extremely mediocre bowler.

 

[pacesensation]

I personally feel bad for him. He was bowling between 135 to 141k during u19 wc. But on his debut he was bowling at about 125kk
Even then, he should have improved his pace and got stronger.
I sincerely hope that he gets raises his game.

 

[mhraja]

He had a good match last year against Quetta; almost won Lahore that match.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I personally feel bad for him. He was bowling between 135 to 141k during u19 wc. But on his debut he was bowling at about 125kk
Even then, he should have improved his pace and got stronger.
I sincerely hope that he gets raises his game.

was bowling in the 140s in the world cup, obviously everyone raises their game in such a situation but still it will be interesting to see how is now. Recent domestic performances haven't been great but i still feel this guy can become a good solid bowler

 

[Boi]

Strange pick. I like him but he's hardly played any domestic cricket this year so he will be rusty

 

[ask_analyse_act]

would have liked to see an allrounder but i like Ehsan, think people are writing him off far to quickly. Hope He does well but sadly i feel sarfraz will go back to Anwar

yes anwar lost them the game against IU which the match looked very dodgy..he was dropped for the next game but it is a dead rubber for them... im sure sarfraz will go to anwar again and hope he gets carted all round the park again..

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Ehsan's action has improved considerably. He's put in the hard yards. Last I saw him, he was bracing really well.

 

[Speedster777]

Lets see if he has increased his pace

 

[HinderTheJinder]

Why Pak has blacklisted him? He was a good bowler and used to go bowl in tight lengths something which is missing within Pak bowlers for ODIs.He bowled well in first edition of PSL and somehow wasn't selected for the second one

 

[Titan24]

That is where eye comes in, he didnt take a lot of wickets in the 1st edition of PSL but trust me from that tournament 3 months onward including Pakistan Cup, it was the best I have seen a Pakistani bowler bowl. He was hitting the right length with a decent enough pace and seaming it from there. He should have been picked the.

 

[hur rizvi]

Beautiful bowling yesterday