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It's really a sad moment in our cricket....My age is 24...was born in 1992...

Pakistan won t world cup(I was not even 1 yr old and hence I didn't know abt it)

And first match i saw in my lifr was t 1999wc final between pak and aus...since then I grew up with good memories and watching good players...lik was,wiki,anwar,inzi,saqlain,afridi(alas not current one), razzaq,shoaib..

Was really happy till 2007 and even 2009 as won t20 and even till 2011 as we reached semis...

Alas now I am even afraid to watch a match as I knw we will lose more likely than not...

But t question remains when will we reach atleas 6th in odi rankings...or t question is will we ever reach?
 
This thread is sad. I remember is being 6-7 in 2011-12 and thought we should improve our ODI ranking. Didn't think it would get much worse.
 
I remember a time when Pakistan was consistently in the top 3 for the ODI rankings.

For the longest time the rankings were:

1. Australia
2. South Africa
3. Pakistan


At that stage if somebody had told me that 10-15 years down the line Pakistan will be languishing at number 9 I'd be like what load of hogwash are you talking about.
 
To be honest it's much more depressing for us blokes who have been following Pak cricket from Late 90s (1997 onwards) up until now :(

I mean I clearly remember during 1999-2003ish we were a gun ODI side and probably the only one who would go toe to toe with the Aussies. It's all been downhill since them :facepalm:
 
Younis and PCB are the real reason for this situation and ranking.. Younis who was touted to become the captain after inzi and they also groomed salman butt for the next when younis leaves... Had there be woolmer, younis would have accepted the captaincy and it would be alright and i can bet pak wouldnt be ranked at 9th and this bad.. After Inzi there were 5-6 captaincy changes within 5 years...finally had to settle with misbah for all formats.. Misbah in return to save his captaincy till next CWC he kept silent on selecting the seniors and proven failures. this is just what i feel for the embarrassing ranking right now
 
I remember watching in the 90s thinking this isn't good enough. Now a batter gets a 40 and I get happy :91: :91:
 
Sri lanka is going down,WI not consistent and Bangladesh can't tell much when they tour outside their home....so lets HOPE...we will be in top 6 atleas by 2018...july...2 years from now on
 
I mean I clearly remember during 1999-2003ish we were a gun ODI side and probably the only one who would go toe to toe with the Aussies. It's all been downhill since them :facepalm:

Really ? I thought it all went downhill after the 1999 WC Final. Some of the cricket between 2001-2003 under Waqar's captaincy were some of the most depressing in my life bar the odd big result.

Most namely getting flayed in the 2001 Natwest Final, the Kenya tri-series in 2002 when we struggled even against the hosts, 2002 Morocco tri-series, and then the 2003 WC group stage exit.

I'd say the late 1980s and early 1990s, when we were regularly winning tri-series tournaments, reached the 1987 World Cup SF and winning in 1992, was the best period for Pakistan ODI cricket.
 
Really ? I thought it all went downhill after the 1999 WC Final. Some of the cricket between 2001-2003 under Waqar's captaincy were some of the most depressing in my life bar the odd big result.

Most namely getting flayed in the 2001 Natwest Final, the Kenya tri-series in 2002 when we struggled even against the hosts, 2002 Morocco tri-series, and then the 2003 WC group stage exit.

I'd say the late 1980s and early 1990s, when we were regularly winning tri-series tournaments, reached the 1987 World Cup SF and winning in 1992, was the best period for Pakistan ODI cricket.

Pakistan were a very strong ODI team until early 2002. It's only after that they went downhill. 1999-2002 was generally a very good period for Pakistan as long as you didn't face Australia. In fact, Pakistan were ranked no.1 after beating Australia in Australia . It's only from the Moroccco triseries that Pakistan showed signs of real decline. I remember Saqi getting thumped by Boje and Gibbs, Akhtar was very inconsistent . Wasim was bowling too many no balls and wides and waqar was completely past it.
 
Younis and PCB are the real reason for this situation and ranking.. Younis who was touted to become the captain after inzi and they also groomed salman butt for the next when younis leaves... Had there be woolmer, younis would have accepted the captaincy and it would be alright and i can bet pak wouldnt be ranked at 9th and this bad.. After Inzi there were 5-6 captaincy changes within 5 years...finally had to settle with misbah for all formats.. Misbah in return to save his captaincy till next CWC he kept silent on selecting the seniors and proven failures. this is just what i feel for the embarrassing ranking right now

Again, pointing fingers to wrong corners. YK declined Captaincy exactly 10 years back - since than 6 teams have leap-frogged Pakistan.

It's good to hear that the pain is felt, therefore I don't need to rub salt (apparently) in the wound. For the nth time, I must say that, it doesn't give me any pleasure to write the negative staff, for a team I grew up watching for the exciting brand of cricket.

But, what you have written is fraction of BIGGER problem. It's really hard to imagine PAK at this spot, just about 4 years after making a WC SF; but the biggest failure for PAK Cricket as a whole is not to see this coming even couple of years back. And, now it's in such a hole that quick fix (raise in ranking) is impossible - in fact, it'll go from bad to worse, at least in terms of ranking, once the golden period of 2012-13 is deferred or wiped out of Ranking maths.

One good news (at least for now) is the restructuring of the Domestic List A Tournament. I am keeping my lips in check keeping close eye, on the execution of the idea. If they can make a National League with top 200-250 players in 16-20 teams, in 2 Divisions with relegation & promotion at stake & with significant numbers of matches (at least 15) on good wickets under fair selection & umpiring, it's possible to form the core bunch of players that can compete for 2023 WC title, may be even a good bet for 2019 SF at least; but lots of time is already lost & a good generation of cricketers are lost.

If you look at any ODI team, the core bunch of players are between 23 to 29 years of age - add to that few U23 & few 29-35 group players - you get a fantastic squad of a mixture of youth, experience & players at their prime. This is the biggest damage in PAK team - there are hopes in Babar, Sami (Haroon Rashid Zindabad - he looked at his Domestic stats & then selected for Test team & no idiot (read sports jurno) even asked him why he had not considered a player with 50/90 List A stat for ODI), Aamad, Nawaz & few others, while there are plenty of experience, in fact too many for comfort. BUT, the players that should have been the core of this team - Umar, Ahmed, Amin, Haris, Aamir, Anwar, Sarfu, Asad, Imad, Rizwan, Maqsood, JK, Hammad, Yamin, Yasir, Jamshed ...... are the most disappointing bunch. This is the lost generation that really is hurting PAK team & it'll take a monumental effort to rectify that in next 5 years.
 
The future of our ODI team is bright. We have to be patient and endure more painful losses in the way though.
 
Pakistan were a very strong ODI team until early 2002. It's only after that they went downhill. 1999-2002 was generally a very good period for Pakistan as long as you didn't face Australia. In fact, Pakistan were ranked no.1 after beating Australia in Australia . It's only from the Moroccco triseries that Pakistan showed signs of real decline. I remember Saqi getting thumped by Boje and Gibbs, Akhtar was very inconsistent . Wasim was bowling too many no balls and wides and waqar was completely past it.

We were still inconsistent during that period though, I remember we were whitewashed at home in 2000 vs Sri Lanka in the ODI series. During that period one superb display was never far from an ignominious defeat.
 
We removed Misbah and put a ten times more defensive guy as our captain. Azhar has no business having the captain's arm band. His batting in ODIs has also been in a steady decline.

This is perhaps his last tour as ODI captain and batsman. Knowing PCB they will remove Azhar and appoint someone like Anwar Ali as captain.
 
Honestly, we can reach at 6th in ODI ranking after 2017. Now after means it can be 2018 or 2028.
 
We removed Misbah and put a ten times more defensive guy as our captain. Azhar has no business having the captain's arm band. His batting in ODIs has also been in a steady decline.

This is perhaps his last tour as ODI captain and batsman. Knowing PCB they will remove Azhar and appoint someone like Anwar Ali as captain.

And he was recommended by ............ :)))
 
I remember a time when Pakistan was consistently in the top 3 for the ODI rankings.

For the longest time the rankings were:

1. Australia
2. South Africa
3. Pakistan


At that stage if somebody had told me that 10-15 years down the line Pakistan will be languishing at number 9 I'd be like what load of hogwash are you talking about.

Nobody cares about ODI rankings as long as you are in the top 8 (for world-cup qualifying), there is a reason ODI series are called JAMODIs. All that matters is how you do in world cup. Test rankings are of course important (at least until test championship) and this has been a very good period for Pakistan, reaching the top3 quite often.

As for being in the top8, two back to back series against WI, Pakistan should get there.
 
Its a long process but not impossible though

1.We need to select some 18 good,well charactered, who are eager to play for t country , WHO CAN PLAY MODERN CRICKET and groom them

2.Give them confidence and enough chances

3.Keep INZI as C.S at least till 2019 wc

4.Give Mickey a long run atleas till 2019/2018 july

The 18 players need to be

Openers
1.Imam
2.Sami
3.Fakhar
4.Sharjeel
5.Jahid

M.o.b
6.Babar
7.Haris
8.Saud
9.Rizwan(wk)
10.Nawaz(Genuine A/R)
11.Yamin(Batting A/R)

Seamers

12.Amir
13.Hasan
14.Zia
15.Amad(Bowling A/R)
16.Sadaf/Any other seamer

Spinner
17.Asghar
18.Zafar

These are promising players...Am not telling we can be top team with these players...All we can do is HOPE...IA this would help us being in top 6 at least
 
Nobody cares about ODI rankings as long as you are in the top 8 (for world-cup qualifying), there is a reason ODI series are called JAMODIs. All that matters is how you do in world cup. Test rankings are of course important (at least until test championship) and this has been a very good period for Pakistan, reaching the top3 quite often.

As for being in the top8, two back to back series against WI, Pakistan should get there.

Bro ranking is a reflection of team's performance..

Its not easy for me took look at t way we lose in each and every tournament...especially supporting from CHENNAI,INDIA...I don't know for how many more years am going to see t MAUKA AD...Wish 2018 t20 wc to be t last...if not atleas 2019wc...look at my cry...pleas Pakistan. ..
 
Nobody cares about ODI rankings as long as you are in the top 8 (for world-cup qualifying), there is a reason ODI series are called JAMODIs. All that matters is how you do in world cup. Test rankings are of course important (at least until test championship) and this has been a very good period for Pakistan, reaching the top3 quite often.

As for being in the top8, two back to back series against WI, Pakistan should get there.

Other than the odd big win, it is very difficult to do well in World Cups if you are a mediocre side, and that is exactly what you are if you are consistently ranked 6th/7th or below.

ODIs are JAMODIs for Australians and English only who prioritize Test cricket over everything, especially because of the Ashes.

However, Asian teams take ODIs very seriously and getting ranked 7th or 8th is simply unacceptable.
 
Other than the odd big win, it is very difficult to do well in World Cups if you are a mediocre side, and that is exactly what you are if you are consistently ranked 6th/7th or below.

ODIs are JAMODIs for Australians and English only who prioritize Test cricket over everything, especially because of the Ashes.

However, Asian teams take ODIs very seriously and getting ranked 7th or 8th is simply unacceptable.

Who takes meaningless bilaterals seriously? Pakistan won for the first time in SA, does it change anything about the team?

As for lower ranked teams winning WCs, that's about the level of the team, not the ranking. The ranking is just a symptom which may or may not reveal the level of the team, it doesn't make rankings important.
 
The bitter truth is we don't have batsmen for LO cricket. Our bowlers can't win games all the time defending below par score.

It will take us years to break in Top 6.

Although, if by some miracle cricket comes back to Pak then I think our FTBs will get their confident back in home conditions.

Good news is, we are so low-ranked that we will only improve from here :yk
 
Get international cricket back in Pakistan. Arrange a bunch of series on flat phattas. Unleash the FTBs. Will shoot up the ranking.

Players like Akmal, Shehzad, Babar Azam, Haris Sohail, Sharjeel would all have 40+ averages.
 
Get international cricket back in Pakistan. Arrange a bunch of series on flat phattas. Unleash the FTBs. Will shoot up the ranking.

Players like Akmal, Shehzad, Babar Azam, Haris Sohail, Sharjeel would all have 40+ averages.

Bro Haris and Babar already do have 40+ avgs with decent str.rate
 
It will take time but it can happen.

We have to find a way to beat England in the ODI series.

I am sure we will see some flat decks so hopefully our top order can score at an aggressive rate from the get go.

These pitches will suit Rizwan who likes the ball coming on to the bat and wil enjoy the pace. Same goes for Hafeez and Babar.

Sarfraz is likely to struggle though
England can hit big and have a deep batting lineup so I hope we prefer to chase during the LOIs
 
Hasan Ali and Amad Butt absolutely HAVE to debut in this series. We cannot keep playing useless cricketers like Anwar Ali, Muhammad Irfan and Rahat Ali.
 
Get international cricket back in Pakistan. Arrange a bunch of series on flat phattas. Unleash the FTBs. Will shoot up the ranking.

Players like Akmal, Shehzad, Babar Azam, Haris Sohail, Sharjeel would all have 40+ averages.

Well the English conditions these days are pretty good for ODI batting with pattas being served where teams are amassing 350+ with ease. Why not unleash the so called FTBs (Akmal, Shehzad etc al.) there?

Truth is Pakistan's FTB are the worst FTBs going around. Can't even strike at an SR of 90+ when others play at 150+ on their days. You expect Shehzad with an SR of 72 to give Pakistan a flying start? When has he ever done that? I am sure he has played on very flat wickets at at least some point in his career (75 ODIs).

Truth is playing on flat tracks will be most difficult for the Pakistani team as their bowlers get neutralized and batsmen have no clue how to construct big totals. The only way Pakistan can win more games is to play on juicy tracks, unleash their strength - good bowlers like Aamir and then hope that their batsmen do not mess it up again.
 
Selecting players on merit would be a first step in the right direction.

The players also have to improve their mindset as it seems like we are still stuck in the nineties!
 
Even statistically it is very much a tall ask to be accomplished in the next 3 years. We will be in foreign territory vs big ODI units like Eng and Aus. But hey we're equally bad at home too.

Since last year we have lost way too many ranking points. I would've cancelled the tour to Bangladesh after the WC.
 
Who takes meaningless bilaterals seriously? Pakistan won for the first time in SA, does it change anything about the team?

As for lower ranked teams winning WCs, that's about the level of the team, not the ranking. The ranking is just a symptom which may or may not reveal the level of the team, it doesn't make rankings important.

Speak for urself. Everybody in Asia take limited overs Cricket far more seriously. Perhaps u don't, but thousands of other does.
 
Again, pointing fingers to wrong corners.
YK declined Captaincy exactly 10 years back - since than 6 teams have leap-frogged Pakistan.

Yes declined captaincy because of fear, they made malik, but when he had a good world T20 younis was sniffing that from behind and again it became so worse that every single player wanted to be the captain even UMAR akmal at one stage... Can u imagine UA after playing 5-10 tests blackmailing the team to play his brother kamran despite of his poor performances in AUS tour..




But, what you have written is fraction of BIGGER problem.

Exactly what i said is the fraction of BIGGER problem. Younis incident was just the oxygen for the fire..

One good news (at least for now) is the restructuring of the Domestic List A Tournament. I am keeping my lips in check keeping close eye, on the execution of the idea. If they can make a National League with top 200-250 players in 16-20 teams, in 2 Divisions with relegation & promotion at stake & with significant numbers of matches (at least 15) on good wickets under fair selection & umpiring, it's possible to form the core bunch of players that can compete for 2023 WC title, may be even a good bet for 2019 SF at least; but lots of time is already lost & a good generation of cricketers are lost.

If you look at any ODI team, the core bunch of players are between 23 to 29 years of age - add to that few U23 & few 29-35 group players - you get a fantastic squad of a mixture of youth, experience & players at their prime. This is the biggest damage in PAK team - there are hopes in Babar, Sami (Haroon Rashid Zindabad - he looked at his Domestic stats & then selected for Test team & no idiot (read sports jurno) even asked him why he had not considered a player with 50/90 List A stat for ODI), Aamad, Nawaz & few others, while there are plenty of experience, in fact too many for comfort. BUT, the players that should have been the core of this team - Umar, Ahmed, Amin, Haris, Aamir, Anwar, Sarfu, Asad, Imad, Rizwan, Maqsood, JK, Hammad, Yamin, Yasir, Jamshed ...... are the most disappointing bunch. This is the lost generation that really is hurting PAK team & it'll take a monumental effort to rectify that in next 5 years.

The PCB messed up everything totally after the CWC'15... If i had to point out the mistakes

POST CWC'15

  • No MISBAH, AFRIDI, YOUNIS
  • BAN tour was a disaster, they lost three senior players. Only Hafeez was left in the team who had experience of playing more than 50 ODIs..
  • They underestimate a good and developing BAN which beat ENG and nearly beat INDIA in the QF CWC'15
  • The core of ODI batting that played for the past 3 years was removed... to name them MISBAH, AFRIDI, retired. YOUNIS UA, AHMED, MAQSOOD axed, just left with Haris and Hafeez..
  • Should have retained atleast one of UA and AHMED, and hafeez should have been named captain... my batting team on that time would have been like this ahmed, sami aslam, hafeez, haris, shafiq, UA, sarfraz. should have taken it seriously playing BAN and then later try to inject youngsters one by one and remove the poor performance guys...
  • What they did was horrible, out of blue moon azhar was made captain with no opener to partner. sarfraz was made to look like regular opener. fragile middle order with 0 experience and with hafeez returning not playing the CWC didnt click on that tour..
 
This series should motivate our players

If they win 3-0 they can reach at 8,a step forward...hope they perform...Alas how times change...

World's dangerous team to the one who is trying(struggling)to be in top 8..
 
But one side looks bright with the going of hafeez, shehzad and in the verge of being dropped is azhar, malik...

With the coming of Amir,hassan, sharjeel,babar,Imad,nawaz

Form of Sarfi

And waiting for asghar ,haris and Ghulam mudassar
 
We have 30 odd ODIs, if PCB puts Pakistan A as Pakistan team they mite help Pak improve its ranking, but again with the same old selection nepotism continuing [with Malik, Akmal in team] and less no. of ODIs it looks close to impossible.
 
I'm telling you if we have Sarfraz as captain we can rocket up to 3rd or 2nd place in the rankings. His mind is too perfect for modern day LOI's.
 
Need to be consistent... with a particular bunch of players....pakistan has constantly changed openers...and not given young players a longer run... also hafeez malik gul were responsible too for terrible performances..... need to be consistent with umar akmal.... fawad Alam.. .. these players were not given a long run.... in tests pak played somewhat same bunch of players for long run...like azhar ali....asad shafiq.... sarfraz ... hafeez...junaid... only yasir.... sohail khan...and rahat ali came in for Md Irrfan.. .. umer gul
 
Pakistani simply don't have the talent right now in ODIs to compete against the best teams like Australia, New Zealand, England and Bangladesh regardless of who is the captain and which players are selected.

If Pakistan do get their house in order by appointing Sarfaraz as captain and dumping the TTFs for good, at best they can expect to be better than Sri Lanka and West Indies.

Even West Indies I feel like are a much better team than Pakistan if they pick their best players like Gayle, Russell, Bravo, Pollard and Simmons.

Pakistan needs to work on cultivating talent at the grassroots.
 
Pakistani simply don't have the talent right now in ODIs to compete against the best teams like Australia, New Zealand, England and Bangladesh regardless of who is the captain and which players are selected.

If Pakistan do get their house in order by appointing Sarfaraz as captain and dumping the TTFs for good, at best they can expect to be better than Sri Lanka and West Indies.

Even West Indies I feel like are a much better team than Pakistan if they pick their best players like Gayle, Russell, Bravo, Pollard and Simmons.

Pakistan needs to work on cultivating talent at the grassroots.

Bangladesh in the same league as Australia, England and New Zealand hahaha :)))

What have BD even won? They get humiliated everytime they step out of home.

How many WCs? How many multi-nation tournaments? How many away series?

Yes you are right, the answer to all those questions is a BIG FAT ZERO. :)))
 
Pakistani simply don't have the talent right now in ODIs to compete against the best teams like Australia, New Zealand, England and Bangladesh regardless of who is the captain and which players are selected.

If Pakistan do get their house in order by appointing Sarfaraz as captain and dumping the TTFs for good, at best they can expect to be better than Sri Lanka and West Indies.

Even West Indies I feel like are a much better team than Pakistan if they pick their best players like Gayle, Russell, Bravo, Pollard and Simmons.

Pakistan needs to work on cultivating talent at the grassroots.

it is really weird to see you compare Ban odi side to Current Aus,Nz,England odi side .if bangladesh odi team beat outside asia any team in their yard(Series win) that day you should proclaimed the your team is in top 4 i am Soory but bangladesh are home track bulley and they have done nothing specail in England, Nz and Aus in the past and it reflects that no body invites ban for a home series (Talking about top teams Nz ,aus,Africa and england)
 
To be honest it's much more depressing for us blokes who have been following Pak cricket from Late 90s (1997 onwards) up until now :(

I mean I clearly remember during 1999-2003ish we were a gun ODI side and probably the only one who would go toe to toe with the Aussies. It's all been downhill since them :facepalm:

been watching since the 80's and some others on here have been watching since the 70's..imagine what its like for us??
 
Pakistani simply don't have the talent right now in ODIs to compete against the best teams like Australia, New Zealand, England and Bangladesh regardless of who is the captain and which players are selected.

If Pakistan do get their house in order by appointing Sarfaraz as captain and dumping the TTFs for good, at best they can expect to be better than Sri Lanka and West Indies.

Even West Indies I feel like are a much better team than Pakistan if they pick their best players like Gayle, Russell, Bravo, Pollard and Simmons.

Pakistan needs to work on cultivating talent at the grassroots.

lol you have a stay of execution. Youll soon realise what your precious bangladesh's real worth is...
 
If Pakistan win 3-0 against West Indies, I have a feeling it will hurt them in the longer term as it just prolongs Azhar Ali's captaincy stint.
 
Pakistani simply don't have the talent right now in ODIs to compete against the best teams like Australia, New Zealand, England and Bangladesh regardless of who is the captain and which players are selected.

If Pakistan do get their house in order by appointing Sarfaraz as captain and dumping the TTFs for good, at best they can expect to be better than Sri Lanka and West Indies.

Even West Indies I feel like are a much better team than Pakistan if they pick their best players like Gayle, Russell, Bravo, Pollard and Simmons.

Pakistan needs to work on cultivating talent at the grassroots.

You're right.

Maybe we can even match Australia and England but Bangladesh? No chance.
 
To be honest it's much more depressing for us blokes who have been following Pak cricket from Late 90s (1997 onwards) up until now :(

I mean I clearly remember during 1999-2003ish we were a gun ODI side and probably the only one who would go toe to toe with the Aussies. It's all been downhill since them :facepalm:

Really ? I thought it all went downhill after the 1999 WC Final. Some of the cricket between 2001-2003 under Waqar's captaincy were some of the most depressing in my life bar the odd big result.

Most namely getting flayed in the 2001 Natwest Final, the Kenya tri-series in 2002 when we struggled even against the hosts, 2002 Morocco tri-series, and then the 2003 WC group stage exit.

I'd say the late 1980s and early 1990s, when we were regularly winning tri-series tournaments, reached the 1987 World Cup SF and winning in 1992, was the best period for Pakistan ODI cricket.

We were okay-ish back then.

I think our best period was probably under INzy's leadership from 2004-2006. We won everything in sight until it came crashing down with the 1-4 loss to India and then the 2006 CT disaster.

Under Malik's leadership - we were still decent. Salman, Kammy, Malik, YK , Misbah, Afridi were all decent in Asian conditions.

The steep decline begun in 2009 after MoYo was discarded.
 
We were okay-ish back then.

I think our best period was probably under INzy's leadership from 2004-2006. We won everything in sight until it came crashing down with the 1-4 loss to India and then the 2006 CT disaster.

Under Malik's leadership - we were still decent. Salman, Kammy, Malik, YK , Misbah, Afridi were all decent in Asian conditions.

The steep decline begun in 2009 after MoYo was discarded.

In my opinion, the real decline started after WC 2011 when Misbah was made the ODI captain due to whole Ijaz Butt drama.
 
Exactly. A captain plays a very crucial role in cricket.

Do they? Can a captain make Hafeez/Malik bat better? Or Irfan/Gul/Anwar Ali bowl better? The answer is no. Most captains will have a similar field setting and rotation of bowlers for the most part, some perhaps doing a slightly better job at it but in no way can a captain turn an awful team into a great one with the same roster.

They are simply not a talented team. They struggle to score 250 batting first, their fielding continues to be horrendous as it has been forever, their bowling which used to be a strength is a shell of its former self with their spin bowling being nearly non-existent and their pace bowling includes scrubs such as a Anwar Ali, Gul etc...

The main issue resides with the fact that players are not selected on merit or if they are selected, its because they had 4-5 good games domestically even if their track record isn't great domestically. There's no reason why someone like Sadaf shouldn't be give a chance in Test or Fawad Alam both of whom have destroyed the competition domestically. They may fail but at least they should be given a chance. Selecting players with mediocre or poor track record domestically won't simply become better players at the international level. If you can't excel domestically, you won't do well internationally and that is what the selectors need to understand.
 
Do they? Can a captain make Hafeez/Malik bat better? Or Irfan/Gul/Anwar Ali bowl better? The answer is no. Most captains will have a similar field setting and rotation of bowlers for the most part, some perhaps doing a slightly better job at it but in no way can a captain turn an awful team into a great one with the same roster.

They are simply not a talented team. They struggle to score 250 batting first, their fielding continues to be horrendous as it has been forever, their bowling which used to be a strength is a shell of its former self with their spin bowling being nearly non-existent and their pace bowling includes scrubs such as a Anwar Ali, Gul etc...

The main issue resides with the fact that players are not selected on merit or if they are selected, its because they had 4-5 good games domestically even if their track record isn't great domestically. There's no reason why someone like Sadaf shouldn't be give a chance in Test or Fawad Alam both of whom have destroyed the competition domestically. They may fail but at least they should be given a chance. Selecting players with mediocre or poor track record domestically won't simply become better players at the international level. If you can't excel domestically, you won't do well internationally and that is what the selectors need to understand.

Actually opposite - a Captain can make a batsman better by putting him at the right position or giving him role that suits his game. Obviously, MoHa, Azhar, Shezad won't be different batsman all together - BUT, if you put Azhar, Shehzad, MoHa at 1, 2 & 3 - then Misbah at 4 & Fawad at 5, finally Umar at 6 - and be spell bound that this is the order I am going to keep be it 20/2 or 120/2 - chasing even 225 will become tough. In cricket, a Captain is a leader - the best of them know their players psychologically & technically. Probably, with a better strategy, PAK won't have finished at 250/6 in 1st ODI. However, for that Azhar wasn't sole responsible - Arthur as well.

For the bowlers - it's absolutely on Captains. AT least 50% bowling efficiency depends on the combination you pick (and use in tandem), field placings, instructions to the bowlers & setting traps for batsmen. Aggressive Captaincy doesn't mean putting 2 slips - you need to know the bowler, what's are their strengths (& weakness of the batsmen) & who the traps can be used. There is no point keeping a slip & 4 men on inner line - then ask Yasir to bowl flat & avoid being hit for boundary. Also, one shouldn't go to toss with 4 left-arm pacers, backed by a lefti & a par-timer leggi on a smallish ground.

Field placings has a major role in bowling - it's not by chance that too many match changing catches are taken by Virat, Raina & Jaddu when MSD is leading. For PAK's case, Maqsood dropped a sitter at point, thanks to Cuptan Azhar placing him there & then had Sarfy not stopped, Irfan would have been graced that particular spot of Backward Point.

It has been discussed so many times that people will start to believe it personal with Azhar - but nothing like that. I write what I can see & explain - Azhar in his 25 matches, has given me enough inputs.
 
I don't think change of captaincy will do any trick.

Pakistan should be grateful about Imad Wasim. Not a great batsman not a great bowler but an extremely useful allrounder down the order. What Pakistan really need is dynamic batsman in the middle order, batsman who can bat with SR of 70 when needed or even 140 if necessary.

Also, I think Umar Akmal at no. 6/7 wouldn't be too bad, pushing Imad up the order. Akmal could provide the fireworks at the end because he is probably the only real big hitting middle order batsman in the Pakistan setup right now.

Shouldn't take too long for Pakistan to topple either WI or SL I believe.
 
Never.. We are bringing back garbage like umar akmal and salman butt and hoping that we will improve , not going to happen.
 
I don't know for how many more years am going to see t MAUKA AD...Wish 2018 t20 wc to be t last...if not atleas 2019wc...look at my cry...pleas Pakistan. ..

Fazleefridi bhai, the streak is just 24 years old now. It is too young to die at such an early age. In 3 years time, it will be time for it to get married. Don't be a stone hearted fellow. Let it live for a few more years please..:msd
 
What's up with the weird fascination with the 6th spot..

Fazleefridi bhai, the streak is just 24 years old now. It is too young to die at such an early age. In 3 years time, it will be time for it to get married. Don't be a stone hearted fellow. Let it live for a few more years please..:msd

No, not at any cost.
I'll die as a martyr by trying to win, but certainly won't give up.

HOPE NOT OUT
 
A Year if Our Selections Methodology, Approach resembles ECB.


* 4 Dynamic, Versatile, Fluent Batsman to be given a Go in Top 6 Batting Positions for atleast next 3 Odi series.

* Best List A spinner of two tournaments should be given a Go.

* Only 1 left Arm Spin Allrounder should be in playing eleven.

* No Fast Bowling Allrounder Selection for 3 series except for Amad Butt and Sohail Khan.

* Yamin given permanent batting Spot at 6 or 7 and should be seen as a 3 - 5 overs baller against Top 5 Batting Lineups and 5 - 10 overs bowler against Bottom 6 - 10 Ranked Batting Sides.


* Presence of Usama/Irfan or Shadab in 16 membered squads.


* Closure of doors for Tanveer, Anwar, Bilawal, Yasir, Malik, Azhar, Fawad, Khalid & Khurram for atleast next 3 odi series.


* Optimum Use of NCA for young players who have shown Spark with a strong focus on their game development and fitness.
 
We got to be ruthless, get rid of timid players like Azhar,Shezi, Hafeez and Malik to some extent

Select this squad

1.Sharjeel
2.Fakhar
3.Babar
4.Umar
5.Sarfraz
6.Imad
7.Yamin
8.Nawaz
9.Hasan
10.Amir
11.Wahab

They bat till 11.

Amir,Hassan,Wahab and Imad, all would bowl 10.

Nawaz and Yamin would bowl 5 each

12.Sami/Imam
13.Rizwan
14.Asghar
15.Ghulam mudassar

Play FEARLESS CRICKET
 
pakistan ODI team won the last match
T20I team also won the only match.. Keep it up to build on the positives..

Just play the same 11 for the upcoming series with WI in both ODI n T20I...especially the same batting order.. Make changes in the reserves and keep going...

If they can do this, it will be the start of their comeback...

Most significantly after the CWC'15 what pak have done is chop-change again chop-change and the merry go round continues.. they have got a good team, coaches and selectors finally after a long time...Stick with a team, team of coaches, team of selectors, if that can get a long rope, Pak will slowly and gradually move up the rankings..This is one of the reasons the TEST team is no.1 now
 
When we get rid of Azhar, Hafeez, Shehzad for good and appoint Sarfaraz as captain, things will definitely improve.
 
Really ? I thought it all went downhill after the 1999 WC Final.

Its true, I was never able to find the same invincible feeling in Pakistani team after 1999 WC Final. They managed to win against Aussies before there was revenge-fire in the bellies of few great players but apart from that, team was in its decline post 1999 WC Final. It is sad that young kids who born post 1995 will never be able to see the greatness Pakistani team used to have in past, and India was no-where to be seen back then :P
 
A lot depends on the Aussie ODI series later this year. If that goes well anything can happen.

If it doesn't, then we'll be at #7 or #8 till the next year at least.
 
A lot depends on the Aussie ODI series later this year. If that goes well anything can happen.

If it doesn't, then we'll be at #7 or #8 till the next year at least.

Unless Aussies loose 4 or all 5 of their remains matches before facing PAK (2 against SAF, 3 against NZ), a 4-1 series win by PAK should take them to 6th. If AUS wins 4 or all 5 of those matches, may be a 3-2 win also can do. It's easier to cover points for a bottom half side by winning matches against upper half.
 
Unless Aussies loose 4 or all 5 of their remains matches before facing PAK (2 against SAF, 3 against NZ), a 4-1 series win by PAK should take them to 6th. If AUS wins 4 or all 5 of those matches, may be a 3-2 win also can do. It's easier to cover points for a bottom half side by winning matches against upper half.

Do you think its possible for us to beat them?
 
Do you think its possible for us to beat them?

Depends which team PAK plays. And which team AUS plays. It's clear that, without Strack, their attack is nothing special, for PAK it can be even easier as I expect Babar, Malik & Sarfu to dominate Zampa.

For PAK, Umar has to play while Imad & Nawaz style spin won't work in AUS. Imad must give way for Yasir (or whoever the best Leggi is - may be Irfan). Finally, Azhar has to get injured - his captaincy is not going to work in AUS. And, PAK is at AUS club level in terms of fielding - in next 4 months, it has to reach grade or better Shield level; otherwise on those large grounds Aussies has a 35 run handicap only for their running.

It's possible, if AUS rests Strack - rest are quite manageable.
 
Pakistani simply don't have the talent right now in ODIs to compete against the best teams like Australia, New Zealand, England and Bangladesh regardless of who is the captain and which players are selected.

If Pakistan do get their house in order by appointing Sarfaraz as captain and dumping the TTFs for good, at best they can expect to be better than Sri Lanka and West Indies.

Even West Indies I feel like are a much better team than Pakistan if they pick their best players like Gayle, Russell, Bravo, Pollard and Simmons.

Pakistan needs to work on cultivating talent at the grassroots.

:))) Ahahahahahhahahahhahhahhahahhahahhahaha!!!!! What a joker! The best teams like BANGLADESH LMAO!

Our ODI team has a long way to go no doubt. But we are taking steps in the right direction. If Azhar Ali continues to lead from the batting front, we will be near unstoppable once we find our next big-hitting allrounders (and we WILL find them :P)
 
And I place emphasis on Azhar Ali leading from the front, because surely if he does well, many other batsmen will be inspired by the fact that someone like Azhar Ali is doing well -- who by all counts should be mediocre at ODIs (much like YK). Facts are though that Azhar has shown he can bat well in ODIs in Asian conditions. TBH, that's all he has to do!
 
ODIs are JAMODIs for Australians and English only who prioritize Test cricket over everything, especially because of the Ashes.

Maybe in the last decade. Players like Glen Maxwell came out of OZ love for test cricket? Yeah right!
 
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