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Where are Imran Farhat and Taufeeq Umar?

gazza619

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I remember these two always used to give us solid starts in test matches. Where are they? Surely if the Maliks and the Afridis and the Misbahs of this world can play for eternity then why cant these two make a claim for a comeback considering the sorry state of affairs of our opening batting..mind you Taufeeq Umar (aka Toffee Kumar) can also bowl a bit of offspin..


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OP how did you forget Faisal Iqbal?
 
I remember these two always used to give us solid starts in test matches. Where are they? Surely if the Maliks and the Afridis and the Misbahs of this world can play for eternity then why cant these two make a claim for a comeback considering the sorry state of affairs of our opening batting..mind you Taufeeq Umar (aka Toffee Kumar) can also bowl a bit of offspin..


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Are you somehow related to Taufiq I can tell you that from your display you look a little like him...He bowled like 44 bowls in Test cricket so forget about his bowling.
 
Are you somehow related to Taufiq I can tell you that from your display you look a little like him...He bowled like 44 bowls in Test cricket so forget about his bowling.

Lol, i will take it as a compliment. I know he hardly bowled, but i saw threads about the selection of Iftikhar Ahmed for England tour on the basis that he can bowl. So I thought if that is the standard of our current team, then Taufeeq can also bowl.
 
Taufeeq Umar was a decent test bat but I can't believe you're talking about Imran Farhat.

Farhat was actually not too bad in tests. Though he didnt average a lot (career average of 32) but when he partnered with Taufeeq, they looked solid together. And remember Farhat has toured tough places like Australia and South Africa unlike the current lot of players who have mostly played in UAE, so that average of 32 aint too bad. Mind you if Farhat can score 30 odd in these tough English conditions, I would take it.
 
Taufeeq had a good record against South Africa and whilst not technically flawless, he was a much better opener than the other dross we tried out like Khurram, Farhat, Nazir etc.

Was harshly discarded in 2013.
 
Taufeeq was a decent opener I thought harshly dealt with. Farhat was not that great tbh his poor peformances in champions trophy 2013 killed his career and thankfully so
 
Toufeeq had a chance of selection for England tour and was the second highest run getter amongst openers last season but

He and Imran Farhat retired from International cricket before MCL so they both cannot be selected again.

Probably they cannot take their retirements back aswell as they had some sort of agreement with PCB.



Last season openers performance


Naeemuddin :

13 innings , 2 hundreds 1 fifty Ave 42


Toufeeq Umar :

14 innings , 1 hundred 3 fifties Ave 43


Jaahid Ali :

17 innings , 1 hundred 5 fifties Ave 40


Shan Masood :

9 innings , 0 hundred , 3 fifties Ave 27



Jaahid is 21 years old Right hand Bat, Taufeeq Umar is 35 years old (retired) left hand Bat while Naeemuddin is 35 years old Left hand Bat.


Because I have seen Naeemuddin bat who is a complete batsman, technically very correct and has averaged 52 in last 3 seasons on Pak domestic very tough wickets with 9 Fc hundreds and most runs by amongst all departmental cricketers in last 3 years so I would have liked him to be picked for next 2 years as a makeshift test opener. He would have done well in England, Australia & New Zealand in my view because of compact defence, all round play and being strong of front and back foot. He is also good on cut, hook & pull.


But I am satisfied with Inzamam picking Jaahid Ali for Pakistan A.


If Hafeez gets fit than most Probably Hafeez & Shan Masood will be Pakistan's openers and we all know that last season Masood averaged 27 in Pakistan Fc cricket in 9 innings and we also know his weakness against short ball, so unless he drastically improves in skill camp or has worked on his weakness in last few months (unlike Pakistani players) otherwise he will fail in England most probably.


So if Jaahid Ali performs against England Lions & County teams in 4 day cricket than I will be inclined to add him to Pakistan Test squad after 1st or 2nd test and Inzamam ul Haq has hinted at this that If PCB chairman allows me than I will add top List A performers of Pakistan in England to Pakistan senior team in England.
 
Taufiq was probably the best opening prospect for Pakistan since Saeed, debuted with a ton (albeit against us) & at one point had career average around 50, playing mostly against SAF & AUS. A brilliant slip catcher, who could keep occasionally; besides, he could have been a left-hander in a lineup of 1 to 11 right-handers & hence bunnied by Left-arm spinners or Leggis.

His strength were to be a specialist Test opener - played straight bat, with a decent defense, good judgement out side off, strong front foot drives through V & reasonably comfortable against bounce - every quality to be Pakistan's Test opener for over a decade, hold a key spot in slip cordon. His weakest link was playing spin, & rotating strike - very high % of scorer from boundary - for which, he was even more suited to open in Test.

Now, we are talking of PCB selectors - so, after his heroics against SAF & to an extent Australia in Test, they picked him for ODI & would have definitely picked for T20 as well. No wonder, Taufiq struggled in ODI & no surprise that selectors picked him for ODI based on Test performance & then dropped form Test based on ODI performance. Few years later, he did make a come-back, scored a 235 at Abu Dhabi & a match winning 130 (?) against WI, in WI - but by that time MoHa had better lobby & relation with Misbah, so couple of failures - Taufique was out of the team. I think, he still averages in Test in high 30s.
 
Toufeeq had a chance of selection for England tour and was the second highest run getter amongst openers last season but

He and Imran Farhat retired from International cricket before MCL so they both cannot be selected again.

Probably they cannot take their retirements back aswell as they had some sort of agreement with PCB.



Last season openers performance


Naeemuddin :

13 innings , 2 hundreds 1 fifty Ave 42


Toufeeq Umar :

14 innings , 1 hundred 3 fifties Ave 43


Jaahid Ali :

17 innings , 1 hundred 5 fifties Ave 40


Shan Masood :

9 innings , 0 hundred , 3 fifties Ave 27



Jaahid is 21 years old Right hand Bat, Taufeeq Umar is 35 years old (retired) left hand Bat while Naeemuddin is 35 years old Left hand Bat.


Because I have seen Naeemuddin bat who is a complete batsman, technically very correct and has averaged 52 in last 3 seasons on Pak domestic very tough wickets with 9 Fc hundreds and most runs by amongst all departmental cricketers in last 3 years so I would have liked him to be picked for next 2 years as a makeshift test opener. He would have done well in England, Australia & New Zealand in my view because of compact defence, all round play and being strong of front and back foot. He is also good on cut, hook & pull.


But I am satisfied with Inzamam picking Jaahid Ali for Pakistan A.


If Hafeez gets fit than most Probably Hafeez & Shan Masood will be Pakistan's openers and we all know that last season Masood averaged 27 in Pakistan Fc cricket in 9 innings and we also know his weakness against short ball, so unless he drastically improves in skill camp or has worked on his weakness in last few months (unlike Pakistani players) otherwise he will fail in England most probably.


So if Jaahid Ali performs against England Lions & County teams in 4 day cricket than I will be inclined to add him to Pakistan Test squad after 1st or 2nd test and Inzamam ul Haq has hinted at this that If PCB chairman allows me than I will add top List A performers of Pakistan in England to Pakistan senior team in England.

Excellent post. Thanks for the in depth analysis mate.
 
Imran Farhat is struggling against Afghan local bowlers playing for HBL. I doubt he can play against quality international bowling.


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Taufiq was probably the best opening prospect for Pakistan since Saeed, debuted with a ton (albeit against us) & at one point had career average around 50, playing mostly against SAF & AUS. A brilliant slip catcher, who could keep occasionally; besides, he could have been a left-hander in a lineup of 1 to 11 right-handers & hence bunnied by Left-arm spinners or Leggis.

His strength were to be a specialist Test opener - played straight bat, with a decent defense, good judgement out side off, strong front foot drives through V & reasonably comfortable against bounce - every quality to be Pakistan's Test opener for over a decade, hold a key spot in slip cordon. His weakest link was playing spin, & rotating strike - very high % of scorer from boundary - for which, he was even more suited to open in Test.

Now, we are talking of PCB selectors - so, after his heroics against SAF & to an extent Australia in Test, they picked him for ODI & would have definitely picked for T20 as well. No wonder, Taufiq struggled in ODI & no surprise that selectors picked him for ODI based on Test performance & then dropped form Test based on ODI performance. Few years later, he did make a come-back, scored a 235 at Abu Dhabi & a match winning 130 (?) against WI, in WI - but by that time MoHa had better lobby & relation with Misbah, so couple of failures - Taufique was out of the team. I think, he still averages in Test in high 30s.

Wow if all this is really true then I feel sorry for the guy.. And if that's how things are handled then Pakistan has no one to blame but themselves for the current state of batting woes..
 
This is his career details - run Statguru, & you can see yourself that every word & context of the post is true. And, being a Pakistani fielder, he has 48 catches in 44 Tests ................

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/43363.html


Also, these stats hardly tells his struggle in ODI - that 56 SR is just a glimpse - he averages 10 @ 45 against non minnows, in 12 of his 22 ODI, & highest being 22 against India. You need to be Iqbal Qasim standard as CS, who selected him 22 times & then dropped a Test opener, with a Test average of 40, after 25 Tests & entering into his best age as Opener ( he was just 25 years 1 month, when he played last in England 2006), FOR ODI FAILURE.
 
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Taufeeq Umar should have played more than he actually did. He was not as bad test opener, considering the other choices Pakistan had.

Imran Farhat did not get a chance to boost his numbers in UAE, otherwise his numbers would have been as good as Hafeez and Shahzad.
 
Taufiq was probably the best opening prospect for Pakistan since Saeed, debuted with a ton (albeit against us) & at one point had career average around 50, playing mostly against SAF & AUS. A brilliant slip catcher, who could keep occasionally; besides, he could have been a left-hander in a lineup of 1 to 11 right-handers & hence bunnied by Left-arm spinners or Leggis.

His strength were to be a specialist Test opener - played straight bat, with a decent defense, good judgement out side off, strong front foot drives through V & reasonably comfortable against bounce - every quality to be Pakistan's Test opener for over a decade, hold a key spot in slip cordon. His weakest link was playing spin, & rotating strike - very high % of scorer from boundary - for which, he was even more suited to open in Test.

Now, we are talking of PCB selectors - so, after his heroics against SAF & to an extent Australia in Test, they picked him for ODI & would have definitely picked for T20 as well. No wonder, Taufiq struggled in ODI & no surprise that selectors picked him for ODI based on Test performance & then dropped form Test based on ODI performance. Few years later, he did make a come-back, scored a 235 at Abu Dhabi & a match winning 130 (?) against WI, in WI - but by that time MoHa had better lobby & relation with Misbah, so couple of failures - Taufique was out of the team. I think, he still averages in Test in high 30s.

yeah,i think of all of them he was the most harshly done. I was shocked, when he was left out of the squad for Pakistan's tour of Australia in 2004. Which was bob woolmer's first tour: who, for reasons that mystify me till today, preferred Imran Farhat.
It was a particularly shocking omission considering that prior to coming to australia pakistan had been demolished in south africa, where the only batsman to stand out was Taufeeq umar who scored plenty on that tour including a 135 as opener. On the very same tour, Inzi was getting bounced out, while Moyo and Yk found the Saffers pace attack hard to handle.
Taufeeq got chances subsequently but never really had that captain's confidence for an extended run.
Its a shame, because despite his technical flaws, he knew his offstump and knew how to drive the pacers down the ground.
 
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Taufeeq Umar should have played more than he actually did. He was not as bad test opener, considering the other choices Pakistan had.

Imran Farhat did not get a chance to boost his numbers in UAE, otherwise his numbers would have been as good as Hafeez and Shahzad.

Imran Farhat was a disgrace in every sense of the word. Let me put it this way: if your father in law is the chief selector for 4 years and you keep getting chances you dont deserve and you still cant cement your place in the side: you deserve every bit that comes your way thereafter.
 
Imran Farhat was a disgrace in every sense of the word. Let me put it this way: if your father in law is the chief selector for 4 years and you keep getting chances you dont deserve and you still cant cement your place in the side: you deserve every bit that comes your way thereafter.

I am not debating the fact that he was a terrible opener. What I am saying is that others after him are no better. Their numbers are just better because they played a lot of Cricket in the UAE. Had Farhat played that many series in the UAE, his average would have been significantly higher.
 
I am not debating the fact that he was a terrible opener. What I am saying is that others after him are no better. Their numbers are just better because they played a lot of Cricket in the UAE. Had Farhat played that many series in the UAE, his average would have been significantly higher.

nope, wouldnt.
most of Pakistani batsmen who are successful in uae have done reasonably well abroad as well (although sample size is very small).
The only exception to that rule is hafeez who is lion at home and sheep abroad. And I am not sure Farhat is better than hafeez....
 
Both should have been better than they actually turned out to be but that can be said for nearly every failed PK player over the last 2 decades.
 
nope, wouldnt.
most of Pakistani batsmen who are successful in uae have done reasonably well abroad as well (although sample size is very small).
The only exception to that rule is hafeez who is lion at home and sheep abroad. And I am not sure Farhat is better than hafeez....

I am talking specifically about top order batsmen.

Azhar has not set the world on fire either outside subcontinent. Hafeez was an embarrassment but I agree he's much improved now. Shahzad is totally untested. Even Farhat had a couple of good innings outside.
 
yeah,i think of all of them he was the most harshly done. I was shocked, when he was left out of the squad for Pakistan's tour of Australia in 2004. Which was bob woolmer's first tour: who, for reasons that mystify me till today, preferred Imran Farhat.
It was a particularly shocking omission considering that prior to coming to australia pakistan had been demolished in south africa, where the only batsman to stand out was Taufeeq umar who scored plenty on that tour including a 135 as opener. On the very same tour, Inzi was getting bounced out, while Moyo and Yk found the Saffers pace attack hard to handle.
Taufeeq got chances subsequently but never really had that captain's confidence for an extended run.
Its a shame, because despite his technical flaws, he knew his offstump and knew how to drive the pacers down the ground.

I think Farhat's father in law had something to do with it.

Woolmer once said in one of his regular Q&As he used to do with PP that Ilyas came up to him and yelled "Bob, you are ruining the young talent of Pakistan !"

On his fight with Mohammad Ilyas who is Imran Farhats father-in-law)

* I have not had a spat with Mohammed Iliyas, i was sitting minding my own business on the field during teh 20/20 and he came up to me and had a full go about preferring Butt to Imran. I said that we tried to do what is best for Pakistan and he mouthed a few more words which I could not reallyunderstand and then started to walk away saying that "Woolmer you are ruining the young talent in Pakistan cricket" to which I said that I thought he was being unfair.

Considering he invited me to dinner a month ago and said he would never get involved in Imran's career and suddenly he went against his own statement.

* I have already spoken with Imran (when advised not to hold a grudge against Imran Farhat)

* Thank you he is not happy that Imran was not selected. Fortunately not all the father - in -laws who's sons are not selected come and shout at me!

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...2005-Bob-Woolmer-s-views#sthash.71eu6KUN.dpuf
 
Really rated Taufeeq. If it were up to me and the whole MCL incident never happened, I would've definitely considered him for the England tour.
 
Taufeeq was harshly treated years ago, but he was finished by 2013.
 
A young Imran Farhat had a lot of potential. Still remember that series vs NZ in 2003 where they put up four consecutive hundred opening stands.
 
A young Imran Farhat had a lot of potential. Still remember that series vs NZ in 2003 where they put up four consecutive hundred opening stands.

Its a record of some sort I think.

But I think Taufiq was better , at least by Pakistan standards of openers should have been a permanent member of Test Team.
 
Its a record of some sort I think.

But I think Taufiq was better , at least by Pakistan standards of openers should have been a permanent member of Test Team.

Yes I agree, he was harshly treated in 2003-2004.
 
Really rated Taufeeq. If it were up to me and the whole MCL incident never happened, I would've definitely considered him for the England tour.

Taufeeq was harshly treated years ago, but he was finished by 2013.

I will agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] here.
Was good once upon a time but is now finished and should be nowhere near national team contention.
 
I will agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] here.
Was good once upon a time but is now finished and should be nowhere near national team contention.

I wouldn't pick him right now because he's amazing; I'd only pick him as he has been treated unfairly (like Mamoon said) and because the alternatives are rubbish. Plus, to Taufeeq's credit, he has done well in SA and has at least shown he's not a UAE bully unlike a lot of our batsmen (though I realize SA =/= England).
 
Taufiq Umer was the most naturally gifted opener we had after Anwar and Shehzad.
 
Taufeeq made a quick 50 in his last test match, then got injured and was never selected again.
 
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