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Where did Sunil Gavaskar rank amongst great Test batters?

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In pure test cricket arguably Sunil Gavaskar was the greatest of all batsmen.True he did not have Bradman's or Tendulkar's staggering statistics,the explosive power of Greenidge or Sehwag ,the elegance of Zaheer Abbas or Greg Chappell or the inflammable talent of Viv Richards or Lara.However no great batsmen set records facing such lethal pace bowling in an era where there was virtually no protective headgear.In term s of concentration arguably Gavaskar did not have an equal while if not better technically he was atleast on par with Barry Richards and Len Hutton.Gavaskar was as much at home on the fast ,bouncy Australian wickets,the seaming English tracks and turning sub-continent wickets.Unlike Viv Richards and Greg Chappell or later Sachin and Lara Gavaskar had to open the batting which is more challenging.Unlike Tendulkar and Lara Gavaskar hardly had protective headgear.He also had the disadvantage of playing for a relatively weaker team than stalwarts like Chappell brothers,Zaheer Abbas and Viv Richards.Gavasakar has a better 4th innings record than Tendulkar and has 3 of his innings in the Wisden best 100 unlike Sachin which has none.In the 1970's Gavaskar was 2nd to only Bradman statistically in terms of reaching milestone of 5000 and 6000 runs.In the 1970';s he was the most prolific test batsmen scoring 5974 runs at 55.91.No batsmen ever had a higher agregate or average in a series in a debut as Sunil who amassed 774 runs at an average of 154.80.In 4th innings he has performed comparatively better than Lara and Tendulkar .

In the view of some experts Gavaskar's career is hyped because he ammased a lot of runs against the weaker or less formidable West Indies pace attacks of 1970-71 and 1978-79 and Australian attack of 1977-78 without greats like Holding,Roberts ,Marshall or Lillee.Still he faced the formidable Jeff Thomson in 1977-78 scoring 3 centuries and averaged 89.4 in Pakistan in 1978-79 facing Imran and Sarafraz.In 1979 in England he scored 221 at the Oval which is regraded by many as amongst the top 5 innings by any overseas batsmen in England and the best by an opening batsmen.On that tour facing greats like Botham and Willis he averaged 77.42 aggregating 542 runs displaying his great ability to adapt to the seaming English conditions and the moving ball.Earlier in 1975-76 he scored centuries in successive tests at Trinidad facing the like sof Holding and Roberts when scoring an unbeaten 155 in the 2nd test..When past his peak he scored an unbeaten 127 at Faisalabad in 1982-83 facing Imran at his fastest.He comparitively lost his performance in 198384 in 5 tests in West Inside and 6 tests in India averaging around 43 overall with 3 centuries and 2 fifties.However he was still a marvel when compiling 129 at Delhi,90 at Ahmedabad and 236 n.o at Madras .He scored his 129 and 90 at a breathtaking scoring rate.He scored 2 big centuries in Australia in 1985-86 against a relatively weaker bowl in attack averaging close to 100 but the feature of his batting in the mid 1980's was his 96 on a broken wicket at Bangalore v Pakistan.


True Gavaskar was relatively slow scorer like when he scored 172 at Bangalore occupying 708 mins. which may go against him.However just visualize the pressure Gavaskar faced in his test carer almost carrying the entire weight of his team on his shoulders.Gavaskar mus take credit fot taking India home to famous wins like against Pakistan at Madras in 1979-80 when scoring 166,102 v West Indise at Port of Spain in a record 4th innings run chase and morally a match-winning 221 at the Oval in great 4th inings run chase even if India did not get home.Even if not facing the greatest bolwers wheh agregating 732 run sat 91.50 in India v West Indies Gavaskar faced the hostile Sylvester Clarke,arguably the quickest of the Carribean paceman.For sheer technical skill I find it hard to imagine any batsmen surpassing Gavaskar when scoring his epic 221 at the Oval.I cannot visualise even Bradman equalling Gavaskar's effort at Bangalore against Pakistan when scoring 96 on a broken track.

To me Gavaskar resembled a monk meditating when bating and executed his strokes with the precision of a surgeon.He was a better negotiator of the short bouncing ball than Tendulkar or Greg Chappell.Martin Crowe ranked Gavaskar even ahead of Viv Richards and Greg Chappell taking into consideration the bowling attacks he faced.Imran Khan rated him the best batsmen to dislodge and marginally ahead of Tendulkar.Sadly Bradman excluded him from his all-time test xi.In Richard Sydenham's collection of all time test xi's Gavaskar garners more votes in all-time test xi than any opening batsmen.


Gavaskar's competitors are Bradman,Hobbs,Tendulkar,Lara,Viv Richards,Len Hutton,Greame Pollock,Greg Chappell,Walter Hammond and Gary Sobers.Hobbs played in acompletely different era and although wickets were wet but bowling attacks were not so formidable.Bradman's figures place him on another pedestal but again asess the Don against bodyline bowling and the fact that he hardly played great spin bowling.The factor that goes against Gavaskar was that he does not have a high aggregate or average contributing in wins.

If I had a gun on my head in pure test cricket I may place Gavaskar just behind Bradman and Lara .In pure test cricket almost impossible to separate Tendulkar ,Sobers and Gavaskar but Gavaskar may just be nosed by margin of a whisker.


best test batsmen of all in tentative order of merit.(subject to alteration)

1.Bradman
2.Lara
3.Sobers
4.Tendulkar
5=Gavaskar/Hutton
7 Jack Hobbs
8.Viv Richards
9.Walter Hammond
10.Graeme Pollock
11.Greg Chappell.
12.Alan Border
 
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Probably the best opening batsmen of all time in test cricket and arguably the second best batsman of all time some achievement in test cricket by Gavasker.
 
Probably the best opening batsmen of all time in test cricket and arguably the second best batsman of all time some achievement in test cricket by Gavasker.

in your view in tests ahead of Lara,Viv or Sachin or on par?
 
Born in the early 90s I didn't have the privilege to watch Sunil Gavaskar but he is possibly the best opener of all time when he averaged 50+ in an era of ATG pace attacks. What stands out is his performances against WI.

The million dollar question is after SRT who is the second best Indian batsman - between him and Dravid?
 
Arguably better although I think they are a bit ahead more gears more dominant better ODI batsmen.
 
Born in the early 90s I didn't have the privilege to watch Sunil Gavaskar but he is possibly the best opener of all time when he averaged 50+ in an era of ATG pace attacks. What stands out is his performances against WI.

The million dollar question is after SRT who is the second best Indian batsman - between him and Dravid?

In your view SRT ahead of Sunil in test cricket definitely?
 
In your view SRT ahead of Sunil in test cricket definitely?

Yes because I see SRT in every all time world XI wherea with Gavaskar that isn't always the case although personally I think they both should be there in the following side.
 
Born in the early 90s I didn't have the privilege to watch Sunil Gavaskar but he is possibly the best opener of all time when he averaged 50+ in an era of ATG pace attacks. What stands out is his performances against WI.

He didn't do that well against WI when they had their strongest attacks. He made the majority of his runs against them in 1971 and 1978 and in both those series, the bowling attacks were very mediocre.
 
He didn't do that well against WI when they had their strongest attacks. He made the majority of his runs against them in 1971 and 1978 and in both those series, the bowling attacks were very mediocre.

The 1978 series did have Malcolm Marshall and Sylvester Clarke.
 
He didn't do that well against WI when they had their strongest attacks. He made the majority of his runs against them in 1971 and 1978 and in both those series, the bowling attacks were very mediocre.

Better than Miandad still who is considered to be an ATG still. I had a look at his series by series averages against WI and I can see there are couple of series (one in mid 70s and the other in early 80s) where he only averaged 25-30 but he still did pretty good when you look at the one in 83/84 averaging 50.50 with a 236 innings.

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerSeries.asp?PlayerID=0595
 
People discounting Gavaskar's runs made in 1971, please reply to the following

1) When Did Gavaskar make his debut and against whom? How old was he?
2) How many runs did he make on his debut series? How many hundreds and fifties and what was his average?
3) How many other debutants have had a similar performance against the West Indies during that era?

The fact is that till 2006 India did not win a series in the West Indies after 1971 and SMG was the backbone of their performance and you people just want to discount that?!
 
Greatest opener of all time. He is a certainty in every all time test XI. Even Imran and Wasim rate him very highly and not only were they his bitter rivals but legendary fast bowlers.
 
Not discounting his performances at all. I was simply responding to the post saying his performances against WI stands out. Imo, his performances against Pakistan with peak imran in 80s are even more impressive and are not talked about to the same degree.
 
Greatest opener of all time, here are some records held by him-

1) Most runs by any batsman in his debut series.

2) Most runs in a test series by any Asian batsman ever.

3) First batsman to reach 10000 test runs.

4) Only batsman in the history of test cricket who has scored double centuries in all four innings of test matches.
 
The best test opener I saw, and best batsman I saw from Asia.
 
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Put it this way: if you were making an all-time India test XI, you'll have him as opener along with Sehwag.
 
One of the best test openers ever. Opening in tests is the most difficult position to bat so that tells you how good he was.
 
Bar Bradman, no other batsman belongs in a tier higher than Gavaskar, absolutely top echelon player.
 
A cert for the all-time XI as the opener. His defensive technique was the greatest I've ever seen.
 
Let's put it straight, if there ever was a book written on test match batting technique, Sunny Gavaskar's photo would be on the cover page of it.

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Gavaskar defines batsmanship. He is the father of classic batting. His technique is what all kids are taught by their coaches. Sachin when he became aware had two batting heroes one of them was Gavaskar and the other was Viv Richards. As was the most sensible thing to do, he mixed Viv's intent of aggression into Gavaskar's near perfect technique to what would eventually become prototype batting style for all future kids to follow.

For classic people like bhaijaan who do not divide greats into 1, 2, 3 **, Sunny Gavskar remains an incomparable great of the game. The man had class. The man had guts. The man had style.

He has been the face of cricket to us all ever since we started watching cricket. He is always there, commentatig, having fun, sharing stories.

Its so much about being a great human being than just having crazy stats and Gavaskar is just that sort of a person.

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Let's put it straight, if there ever was a book written on test match batting technique, Sunny Gavaskar's photo would be on the cover page of it.

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Gavaskar defines batsmanship. He is the father of classic batting. His technique is what all kids are taught by their coaches. Sachin when he became aware had two batting heroes one of them was Gavaskar and the other was Viv Richards. As was the most sensible thing to do, he mixed Viv's intent of aggression into Gavaskar's near perfect technique to what would eventually become prototype batting style for all future kids to follow.

For classic people like bhaijaan who do not divide greats into 1, 2, 3 **, Sunny Gavskar remains an incomparable great of the game. The man had class. The man had guts. The man had style.

He has been the face of cricket to us all ever since we started watching cricket. He is always there, commentatig, having fun, sharing stories.

Its so much about being a great human being than just having crazy stats and Gavaskar is just that sort of a person.

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Great post sir
 
Better than Miandad still who is considered to be an ATG still. I had a look at his series by series averages against WI and I can see there are couple of series (one in mid 70s and the other in early 80s) where he only averaged 25-30 but he still did pretty good when you look at the one in 83/84 averaging 50.50 with a 236 innings.

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerSeries.asp?PlayerID=0595
Good assessment.Still against great West Indies bowling stacks he averaged around 43 .Overall against their best attack he scored 5. Centuries as against weaker West Indies attacks.3centuries against the great quartet and a 90.Also not at his best against Lillee but prolific against Imranand Botham or Willis.
 
Why not Viv Richards or Lara or Sachin?

Because Gavaskar could not have done better as an opener in my eyes, he performed at every metric to the highest standard that can be expected from an opener. That makes him on the same level as his contemporaries in the middle order.
 
Because Gavaskar could not have done better as an opener in my eyes, he performed at every metric to the highest standard that can be expected from an opener. That makes him on the same level as his contemporaries in the middle order.

Good reasoning.However did he win enough games like later superstars?Was he not also a slow scorer?Vishwanath had a better average in games won in his era.
 

Sunil Gavaskar Tried To "Distract, Disrupt, Annoy": Ex-Australia Star Angry Over Comments On Josh Hazlewood​


After India defeat Australia comprehensively in the first match of the Border Gavaskar Trophy in Pert, Pacer Josh Hazlewood made an interesting comment. When asked what the hosts could do to make a comeback in the five-match series, Hazlewood said: "You probably have to ask one of the batters that question... I'm probably looking mostly towards the next Test." The comment was picked up by several former cricketers, who wondered if there was a divide in the Australia dressing room.

"I wonder if there's a divide in Andrew McDonald's team between the batters and bowlers,” Gilchrist said on Fox Sports.

Former India captain Sunil Gavsakar used the comment and wrote in a column for Sportstar about panic in Australian team.

"The panic in the Australian ranks is palpable, with former players calling for heads to be chopped off and some even hinting at cracks in the Australian team after Josh Hazlewood's media interview at the end of the third day's play, where he suggested that it was up to the batters to now do something," Gavaskar wrote in his column for Sportstar.

Now, former Australia pacer Mitchell Johnson has accused Gavaskar of using a media platform to "distract, disrupt, annoy" Australia.

"The other one that caught my attention was Indian legend Sunil Gavaskar's column on Hazlewood, suggesting he was dropped for his mild comments at the press conference rather than being left out with a legitimate side injury. With respect to Gavaskar and his commentary in general - I've enjoyed working with him in the past and learned a lot just sitting and listening to him talk about the game - his take this week is nothing more than a wind-up," Mitchell Johnson wrote in a column for The Nightly.

"Gavaskar is using his media platform to distract, disrupt, annoy, and take advantage of a comment Hazelwood made. That's Gavaskar's job, to make comments on what he sees, but it was done for no other reason than to get a reaction and aid India."

 
wonderful player but many believe him to be in conversation for the best opener of all time, which frankly he isn't as he had a career long issue with swing based bowlers and quality seamers, both in and out of India.
 
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