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I've been wondering this for a while. I grew up watching Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, Lee, Donald, even JOnes and Freddy for a while, all guys who could get the bowl consistently above 90mph and swing it.

Now we get guy who can maybe swing the bowl but rarely get it to 87mph or more. So what happened? I know theres a few in Australia but they are injured a lot of the time and dont look to have a consistent, long term future.

So I guess the question is 2 pronged: why are there so few genuine pace bowlers? And why are the ones that are around injured so often and so easily?
 
Too much cricket

Plain and simple

For eg Starcs workload this year was ridiculous

3 away tests to SL and ODIs. 3 NZ home ODIs and 6 home tests follow by 5 Pak ODIs and 3 NZ away ODIs

And now this Indian series

All in less than 6 months
 
Too much cricket

Plain and simple

For eg Starcs workload this year was ridiculous

3 away tests to SL and ODIs. 3 NZ home ODIs and 6 home tests follow by 5 Pak ODIs and 3 NZ away ODIs

And now this Indian series

All in less than 6 months

Did he play all of those games? Off the top of my head It hink he didn't.

Plus the workload argument doesnt hold up as the likes of Wasim and Waqar had extensively long careers with hundreds of games and many domestic games, including lots of county cricket. Most of these guys these days with central contracts and consistent international appearances barely play their domestic game.
 
This is true in general though, Fast express bowler's arent there anymore.
Pak used to be the factory of producing them , Australia still produces them on a consistent basis , India never did , WI and England are declining in that aspect.
 
The game is more batsman friendly now. With the thick edges and small grounds, the faster you bowl the quicker you run away to the boundary. This has forced bowlers to be "smart" and bowl plenty of change-up deliveries and slower balls. Some even bowl six different kinds of slower balls in an over.

Express pacer is a dying breed and the culprit is ICC due to their love for slog fests and fours and sixes.
 
Did he play all of those games? Off the top of my head It hink he didn't.

Plus the workload argument doesnt hold up as the likes of Wasim and Waqar had extensively long careers with hundreds of games and many domestic games, including lots of county cricket. Most of these guys these days with central contracts and consistent international appearances barely play their domestic game.

Starc bowls 145-150kph all the time, Wasim and Waqar didn't do it for majority of their careers. Shoaib did, and we all know how it worked out for him.

If you need a valid comparison, look at Steyn who is pretty similar to two Ws and has managed a long and successful career. If Starc learns this art and doesn't always rely on pace, then his share of injuries too will be significantly less.
 
Fast bowlers have become selfish. That's what has happened. They want to trundle and have a long career rather than bowl fast and have a comparatively shorter one.
 
It is important for bowlers to understand their bodies and develop the bowling skills accordingly. On 1990s, this used to be easier as the tracks weren't flat battas like today. McGrath, Wasim and Waqar evolved as bowlers when their bodies regressed.

However to do the same today is extremely difficult. Tracks offer nothing, and the moment you are past your prime, catching up is almost impossible.
 
The great fast bowlers have been reincarnated and born in South Africa

I have seen 20 year old Rabada cranking it at 149 kph

20 year old Lungi Ngidi is already cranking at at 146 kph

There is no shortage of fast bowlers in South Africa
 
Don't think Wasim was an express quick. But the point is, how do we know that the 90s bowlers were all express when the use of speed guns was few and far between?
 
India , surprisingly have express pacers now, in Varun AAron, Yadav and sometimes Shami..

Pak have Wahab Riaz who could totally hit 150s ( 155+ is things of past now sadly)

Australia, in Cummins, Pattinson, STARCY are all capable express

South Africa a lot of youngsta beauties are Fast!
 
Time changed, practices changed.

Fitness is the problem they say...

Its the Gym actually, the weightlifting, the protein shakes, the biceps rather than running 5 to 6 miles each morning.

Eating inappropriate food maybe...

The day's off, lets have some oily parathas and a tray of biryani.
Or
I'll consume fat-less food as much as I wan't,"Hey, get me a diet Coca Cola please".

Its not about what you eat, its about how much you eat!

Net Practice?

Really need to work on my bouncers since the next series is in Australia!

Need to practice that slower bowl today since they really get stuck at them.

Its not about practicing your or his weaknesses, its about how much you practice!

Wrong approach...?

Already took 9 wickets in the first 3 matches, time to skip the training.

Won the series, lets take some rest!

If sportsmanship meant nothing, then Imran Khan wouldn't have been a legend!
 
Starc bowls 145-150kph all the time, Wasim and Waqar didn't do it for majority of their careers. Shoaib did, and we all know how it worked out for him.

If you need a valid comparison, look at Steyn who is pretty similar to two Ws and has managed a long and successful career. If Starc learns this art and doesn't always rely on pace, then his share of injuries too will be significantly less.

Wasim was bowling at that pace well into 96 and 97 if not slightly later. That's 10 years of his career. Waqar was bowling like that when my cricketing memory really kicks in around 2000, was just that quick when England toured Pak in 2000/01, almost 10 years into his own career.

So your point was?
 
Besides, it is laughable when OP uses Akhtar, Jones and Freddy as examples to prove his point.
 
What's the point of express fast. You can trundle your way to big money in t20 leagues and bowl till you are 45
 
I've been wondering this for a while. I grew up watching Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, Lee, Donald, even JOnes and Freddy for a while, all guys who could get the bowl consistently above 90mph and swing it.

Now we get guy who can maybe swing the bowl but rarely get it to 87mph or more. So what happened? I know theres a few in Australia but they are injured a lot of the time and dont look to have a consistent, long term future.

So I guess the question is 2 pronged: why are there so few genuine pace bowlers? And why are the ones that are around injured so often and so easily?


Wasim wasn't express ever. He was more of fast medium than fast. He could crank it up to 145ish when needed, but that wasnt consistent. Waqar was express only for the first 3-4 years of his career.
Donald used to bowl around 137-142 on a consistent basis. I don't know where you are getting your facts from.
Shoaib and Lee were express, Bond was a tad slower than them, yet used to bowl close to 150 more often than not.

And yes, Indians have express bowlers. Also, there are more than a few bowlers in the domestic circuit who are express and are already bowling around 145ish consistently. So there's no dearth of fast bowlers!
 
Pace era is gone there is no point in delivering 155kph thunderbolts thanks to faster cricket the batsmen are well equipped to such pace and the conditions are there to support them as well.
 
Look my friend, express pacers have always been a rare breed. There's a reason why they're so hyped and loved, it's because they're uncommon.

Even in the olden times, there were only a few fast bowlers who could bowl express.

In fact, I think we have more right now than we did before.

Pakistan has Wahab Riaz and Amir who can both bowl at speeds of ever 150 in LOI's. West Indies has Gabriel and Alzarri Joseph. India have Varun Aaron and even Yadav and Shami who bowl pretty quick but aren't express. Sri Lanka has Chameera and this other bloke who's name I've forgotten. England had Wood, Mills and a bunch of guys in county. Aussie's have about 5 express pacers ready in their squad in Starcy, Cummins, Pattinson, Stanlake and another guy. South Africa have Rabada who's only going to increase his pace, Nigidi, Steyn, Morne.

So there's a bunch of guys who bowl 150 and over. What more is express?
 
Look my friend, express pacers have always been a rare breed. There's a reason why they're so hyped and loved, it's because they're uncommon.

Even in the olden times, there were only a few fast bowlers who could bowl express.

In fact, I think we have more right now than we did before.

Pakistan has Wahab Riaz and Amir who can both bowl at speeds of ever 150 in LOI's. West Indies has Gabriel and Alzarri Joseph. India have Varun Aaron and even Yadav and Shami who bowl pretty quick but aren't express. Sri Lanka has Chameera and this other bloke who's name I've forgotten. England had Wood, Mills and a bunch of guys in county. Aussie's have about 5 express pacers ready in their squad in Starcy, Cummins, Pattinson, Stanlake and another guy. South Africa have Rabada who's only going to increase his pace, Nigidi, Steyn, Morne.

So there's a bunch of guys who bowl 150 and over. What more is express?

I don't think you and many others have read my original post. It's not just the speeds but the quality of those bowlers. Would Joseph or Wahab be comparable to Wasim and Donald? No.

Plus, a lot of the guys these days bowl quick for very short period of time. Most of the great fast bowlers bowled quick for extended periods. And a lot of the guys you mentioend are prone to injuries every couple of months, again, another point I raised.

So I'm going to stress yet again, where are the quality fast bowlers, whether you want to call them express or not, that can consistently bowl at 90mph who have the swing and control of the greats from before and arent injured after a handful of matches. Theo nly one with an extended career over the last 15 years is Steyn. Jones was injured, Tait was a walking match stick and Bond barely got going before his career came to an end.

I already mentioned Starc as a modern example and I rate him highly but just how long can he stay fit?

Marshall is one of the most iconic fast bowlers of all time and he played 81 tests. a 136 ODIs and over 800 first class and List A games. In the first 3 or so years of his career, he didn't miss a test, at a time when test tours consisted of multiple games against first class teams and gaps where players would play domestic matches.

Wasim played around a 1000 matches across all formats, at one time playing about 36 or 37 tests in a row, all the while maintaining a higher pace than say Broad or Stokes or Woakes or Sharma or Yadav or Amir and so on. Add to that the added strain of him having to bat as a low down hitter and playing ODIs and touring across 3 or 4 different countries and bowling on the dust bowls of India.

Now we have fast bowlers, guys who can get it into the late 80s and/or early 90s with far less ksill, completely lacking the ability of reverse, who can't play 5 or 6 tests in a row. In just 36 tests, Starc has been injured in pretty serious fashion about 3 times if I recall properly. And he's only played 65 ODIs in that time (on and off).

All this while teams have ever growing back room staff, multiple physios, doctors and so on. So why are these fast bowlers unable to maintain pace for extended careers or unable to maintain their fitness?

This isn't a slight at them but its a genuine concern as a cricket fan. Rather than progressing, we are regressing in what was once cricket's most pleasing pursuit.
 
Wasim wasn't express ever. He was more of fast medium than fast. He could crank it up to 145ish when needed, but that wasnt consistent. Waqar was express only for the first 3-4 years of his career.
Donald used to bowl around 137-142 on a consistent basis. I don't know where you are getting your facts from.
Shoaib and Lee were express, Bond was a tad slower than them, yet used to bowl close to 150 more often than not.

And yes, Indians have express bowlers. Also, there are more than a few bowlers in the domestic circuit who are express and are already bowling around 145ish consistently. So there's no dearth of fast bowlers!

Pretty much every batsman that faced Wasim said he was one of the fastest if not the fastest they ever faced. Warne in 94 stated Wasim was the fastest he had seen or faced at that point. There is no more to be said about that.

Oh and please do tell me these many Indian express bowlers, I'll be waiting. Although its funny your definition of express is 145kph for the indians but not for Wasim.
 
But what does that mean?

It means that bowlers are now looking to stem runs on good wickets and would rather learn the art of variation then to bowl express fast. With good money on offer from various leagues around the world, they'd naturally be looking for longevity so that they can play the leagues, domestic/first class cricket and if they're good enough, for their national teams.

That's just my opinion.
 
For Pakistan, I think that the wickets and the brand of balls have also been a contributing factor.

Those that rose to prominence were the ones that were willing to bend their backs on flat, low and slow wickets.

Now a days you only have to put the ball on the spot to be able to pick up a wicket. Plus the opposition batsmen are useless.
 
I don't think you and many others have read my original post. It's not just the speeds but the quality of those bowlers. Would Joseph or Wahab be comparable to Wasim and Donald? No.

Plus, a lot of the guys these days bowl quick for very short period of time. Most of the great fast bowlers bowled quick for extended periods. And a lot of the guys you mentioend are prone to injuries every couple of months, again, another point I raised.

So I'm going to stress yet again, where are the quality fast bowlers, whether you want to call them express or not, that can consistently bowl at 90mph who have the swing and control of the greats from before and arent injured after a handful of matches. Theo nly one with an extended career over the last 15 years is Steyn. Jones was injured, Tait was a walking match stick and Bond barely got going before his career came to an end.

I already mentioned Starc as a modern example and I rate him highly but just how long can he stay fit?

Marshall is one of the most iconic fast bowlers of all time and he played 81 tests. a 136 ODIs and over 800 first class and List A games. In the first 3 or so years of his career, he didn't miss a test, at a time when test tours consisted of multiple games against first class teams and gaps where players would play domestic matches.

Wasim played around a 1000 matches across all formats, at one time playing about 36 or 37 tests in a row, all the while maintaining a higher pace than say Broad or Stokes or Woakes or Sharma or Yadav or Amir and so on. Add to that the added strain of him having to bat as a low down hitter and playing ODIs and touring across 3 or 4 different countries and bowling on the dust bowls of India.

Now we have fast bowlers, guys who can get it into the late 80s and/or early 90s with far less ksill, completely lacking the ability of reverse, who can't play 5 or 6 tests in a row. In just 36 tests, Starc has been injured in pretty serious fashion about 3 times if I recall properly. And he's only played 65 ODIs in that time (on and off).

All this while teams have ever growing back room staff, multiple physios, doctors and so on. So why are these fast bowlers unable to maintain pace for extended careers or unable to maintain their fitness?

This isn't a slight at them but its a genuine concern as a cricket fan. Rather than progressing, we are regressing in what was once cricket's most pleasing pursuit.

You don't get it, sport. The thing is, we were never talking about who the better athlete is, who the better bowler is or whatever else you've mentioned in the post. It was always about bowlers who could bowl express.

If you want to talk about players being able to bowl quick for sustained periods of time, create a thread about lack of athleticism or fitness.

If you want to talk about too many injured bowlers, then create a thread about that. This one is about express pacers.

Also, the guy you just mentioned, Akram, he's the best fast bowler to have played the game. Obviously he's going to be ahead of other guys in terms of fitness, ability, injuries or whatever you wish to compare them at.
 
It means that bowlers are now looking to stem runs on good wickets and would rather learn the art of variation then to bowl express fast. With good money on offer from various leagues around the world, they'd naturally be looking for longevity so that they can play the leagues, domestic/first class cricket and if they're good enough, for their national teams.

That's just my opinion.

Hey, I think that's certainly part of the problem, no doubt. What I mean when asking, was why cant guys maintain their pace for extended periods of time AAAAAND of course, they can't seem to maintain the skill set at higher paces too.

I've seen a lot of guys these days trying to ball wide, slower yorkers but when they try the faster, straighter yorker it turns into a full toss. I feel Joel Garner and Waqar Younis will be turning in their retirement graves lol
 
You don't get it, sport. The thing is, we were never talking about who the better athlete is, who the better bowler is or whatever else you've mentioned in the post. It was always about bowlers who could bowl express.

If you want to talk about players being able to bowl quick for sustained periods of time, create a thread about lack of athleticism or fitness.

If you want to talk about too many injured bowlers, then create a thread about that. This one is about express pacers.

Also, the guy you just mentioned, Akram, he's the best fast bowler to have played the game. Obviously he's going to be ahead of other guys in terms of fitness, ability, injuries or whatever you wish to compare them at.

Maybe you werent talking about it because you failed to read my opening post but I made an all encompassing point, which makes up the topic of the thread which I started...so you know, I think Id know what I said. Maybe try readin the first post next time...sport.
 
Pretty much every batsman that faced Wasim said he was one of the fastest if not the fastest they ever faced. Warne in 94 stated Wasim was the fastest he had seen or faced at that point. There is no more to be said about that.

Oh and please do tell me these many Indian express bowlers, I'll be waiting. Although its funny your definition of express is 145kph for the indians but not for Wasim.

Pretty much every batsmen? Kindly quote 5 batsmen with their quotes with credible links to suggest anyone has ever said Wasim was genuine quick, let alone express! At best, Wasim was sharp, he was never fast!

I will wait for your answer. And then I will show you the links of genuine quicks in Indian domestic circuit!
Cheers
 
Pretty much every batsmen? Kindly quote 5 batsmen with their quotes with credible links to suggest anyone has ever said Wasim was genuine quick, let alone express! At best, Wasim was sharp, he was never fast!

I will wait for your answer. And then I will show you the links of genuine quicks in Indian domestic circuit!
Cheers

Your post is that Wasim Akram was not a fast bowler? I think I will ignore you from now.
 
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