Which Asian side will be the first to win a Test Series vs Australia in Australia

[aslaisnomasla]

Says the guy who rates Umesh Yadav, lol.

- Amir bowled better than his numbers suggested in those series, there is a reason he was hyped as being better than Wasim Akram at that age by Imran Khan and Wasim Akram himself. You actually have to watch some cricket and not let your biases get in the way to realize that.
- Wahab Riaz has always been an inconsistent bowler so his 30+ average in both tests and ODIs is fair. Stop pulling stuff out of thin air.
- Junaid was suffering through injury, fitness problems and as a result, poor form throughout the last year. Where were you when he was winning us series in India and South Africa and generally bowling in an excellent manner?

So yes, utter rubbish by Electron sahab. Now stop derailing another thread to forward your agenda which got old two weeks ago.

nice.

 

[ForeverIndian]

Says the guy who rates Umesh Yadav, lol.

- Amir bowled better than his numbers suggested in those series, there is a reason he was hyped as being better than Wasim Akram at that age by Imran Khan and Wasim Akram himself. You actually have to watch some cricket and not let your biases get in the way to realize that.
- Wahab Riaz has always been an inconsistent bowler so his 30+ average in both tests and ODIs is fair. Stop pulling stuff out of thin air.
- Junaid was suffering through injury, fitness problems and as a result, poor form throughout the last year. Where were you when he was winning us series in India and South Africa and generally bowling in an excellent manner?

So yes, utter rubbish by Electron sahab. Now stop derailing another thread to forward your agenda which got old two weeks ago.

Well Umesh has better bowling average in Aus than Waqar and Akhtar.

 

[Bilal7]

Well Umesh has better bowling average in Aus than Waqar and Akhtar.

Quite a difference bowling to Hayden and Gilchrist instead of Finch and Haddin, don't you think? No comparison.

 

[ForeverIndian]

Quite a difference bowling to Hayden and Gilchrist instead of Finch and Haddin, don't you think? No comparison.

In test cricket , genius. Finch doesn't play test cricket and Haddin plays at 6th or 7th position.

 

[Bilal7]

In test cricket , genius. Finch doesn't play test cricket and Haddin plays at 6th or 7th position.

Did you not get the gist of my post? There is a huge difference between the Australian teams of past and present. Rogers opens for Australia and he is nowhere near Hayden and Haddin bats where Gilly used to bat.

 

[rooster]

Pakistan. They are famous for pulling rabbits out of nowhere.

Indian bowling is a joke overseas. So even if their batsmen put up 5000, the opposition would chase it.

Lankans with Sanga were destroyed. Without Sanga, they will be obliterated. Their bowling somehow is worse than India. They fluked it in England otherwise they are hopeless.

On the other hand, South Africa have won in Oz twice. Does that mean Pakistan have partially won atleast for some folks?

Pakistan were trying to pull a rabbit out of the hat for the past 20 years but couldn't do it even in a single match.

India, on the other hand, has won a few matches even drew a series.

Except one match where Akmal dropped Hussey, all the remaining matches were lost with big enough margins. So all the odds are favouring India in my opinion.

 

[Electron]

Says the guy who rates Umesh Yadav, lol.

- Amir bowled better than his numbers suggested in those series, there is a reason he was hyped as being better than Wasim Akram at that age by Imran Khan and Wasim Akram himself. You actually have to watch some cricket and not let your biases get in the way to realize that.
- Wahab Riaz has always been an inconsistent bowler so his 30+ average in both tests and ODIs is fair. Stop pulling stuff out of thin air.
- Junaid was suffering through injury, fitness problems and as a result, poor form throughout the last year. Where were you when he was winning us series in India and South Africa and generally bowling in an excellent manner?

So yes, utter rubbish by Electron sahab. Now stop derailing another thread to forward your agenda which got old two weeks ago.

Back to thread : Pakistan bowlers have traditionally been the worst in Australia and given your batting, I doubt Pakistan can take the matches too far. There is a reason why you have lost every single Test in last 15 years.

 

[Electron]

I think there is a progression that needs to be followed before certain teams start dreaming of a series win.

1) Draw a match.
2) Win a match.
3) Draw the series.
4) Win the series.

Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka for now need to take Step 1 as a challenge, and maybe then they can dream higher.

 

[Suleiman]

The Naya Pakistan XI that will tour Australia at the end of 2016 is going to make an impact, my spidey senses are tingling.

If all goes according to the grand master plan, then we will have our best bowling attack in the past 5 years.

But it's the batting that I have really high hopes for. With guys like Babar Azam, Haris Sohail, and Fawad Alam (hopefully) coming through to the test side, I can see us scoring 300+ 8/10 times on the Aussie phattas. We may not (probably) won't win, but will put up a fight, probably as good as or slightly better than India did last year.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

Rahane's average in Aus - 57.00

YK's average in Aus - 43.16

#Fact

if this is the criteria than MS should been kicked out first

 

[sachintendulkar76]

I think there is a progression that needs to be followed before certain teams start dreaming of a series win.

1) Draw a match.
2) Win a match.
3) Draw the series.
4) Win the series.

Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka for now need to take Step 1 as a challenge, and maybe then they can dream higher.

lol. spot on. first they need to draw a game. not sure when was the last time they drew a test match in Aus. maybe back in 90s i guess.

 

[Enforcer]

pakistan always lacked bowlers who can make the ball to talk in australian conditions. Make no mistake they have always produced world class fast bowlers,but their style of bowling is more suited to Asian, English and NZ conditions and not for australian conditions where ball rarely seam/swing, and where bounce in the pitch play a big role.

The only bowler pakistan have produced who could have been a match winner in those conditions was Mohd.Irfan. But he is now not good enough to survive the rigours of test cricket, and hence it is safe to assume that unless pakistan produce a tall bowler like Irfan, it is quite impossible for them to win a series in OZ land.

Though in Test cricket, Bowler win you matches but its the batsman who can provide you the platform to go for the win. Without a good platform you cant fight or attack the opposition. So pakistan have to find batsman to give them that platform. Azhar Ali and Asad shafiq are exciting test talents but are untested in these conditions. so onus is on them to give their bowlers that platform in order to win a series in Australia.

 

[Bilal7]

Back to thread : Pakistan bowlers have traditionally been the worst in Australia and given your batting, I doubt Pakistan can take the matches too far. There is a reason why you have lost every single Test in last 15 years.

Which tradition are you talking about? Lanka have been the worst historically and Pakistan have been the best Asian team since 2000. Man, do you ever post something that is remotely accurate?

 

[rooster]

Which tradition are you talking about? Lanka have been the worst historically and Pakistan have been the best Asian team since 2000. Man, do you ever post something that is remotely accurate?

Second worst since Pakistan last won a test in Aus. Scroll up a few posts and you'll find stats posted by [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION]

 

[Electron]

Which tradition are you talking about? Lanka have been the worst historically and Pakistan have been the best Asian team since 2000. Man, do you ever post something that is remotely accurate?

Oh come on yaar.. I know you #BleedGreen, but kabhi to dhang ki baat kiya karo Bilal Sahab.

 

[Bilal7]

Oh come on yaar.. I know you #BleedGreen, but kabhi to dhang ki baat kiya karo Bilal Sahab.

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Second worst since Pakistan last won a test in Aus. Scroll up a few posts and you'll find stats posted by [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION]

I clearly stated that Lanka have been the worst historically based on these same stats which =/= to Electron's belief that Pakistan have been the worst traditionally.

Read better next time.

 

[rooster]

I clearly stated that Lanka have been the worst historically based on these same stats which =/= to Electron's belief that Pakistan have been the worst traditionally.

Read better next time.

No one said SL will to do it first. It's between India and Pakistan.

Most of them are saying India have a good chance to win a series before Pakistan in Aus. Batting big is very very important in Aus and India is the only country that seems to have a way better batting unit.

As someone said Pakistan couldn't do it even when their greats were around. How do you expect these newbies to roll over Australia. TBH Australia don't even have to sweat a drop to win against Pakistan and SL. They can roll over even with their state teams. Be realistic.

 

[Raj-MSDian]

Pakistan I think. It requires a good bowling attack that can take 20 wickets each time to win a test series. If the batting is even decent Pakistan will win. India have a chance if Umesh and Shami keep improving and we get some world class fast bowling all rounder.

 

[Electron]

I clearly stated that Lanka have been the worst historically based on these same stats which =/= to Electron's belief that Pakistan have been the worst traditionally.

Read better next time.

My bad, I should have said second worst. But I hope that the point I made was clear. The reason I don't rate Pakistan's chances is because you have traditionally been the second worst bowling side in Australia.

Pakistani bowlers have performed brilliantly in England, and we can see the results, you won so many Tests there. But in Australia, Pakistan hasn't even drawn a single match ever since I started watching Cricket.

Why do you think Pakistani bowlers struggle in Australia Bilal?

 

[Bilal7]

No one said SL will to do it first. It's between India and Pakistan.

Most of them are saying India have a good chance to win a series before Pakistan in Aus. Batting big is very very important in Aus and India is the only country that seems to have a way better batting unit.

As someone said Pakistan couldn't do it even when their greats were around. How do you expect these newbies to roll over Australia. TBH Australia don't even have to sweat a drop to win against Pakistan and SL. They can roll over even with their state teams. Be realistic.

Pakistan's test batting unit is better than India's, at the moment. Don't confuse our ODI batting with our test exploits. If the likes of Shehzad, Azhar, Younis, Misbah, Shafiq and Sarfaraz were to get the same tracks the Indians got earlier this year, they will put up a good showing.

Australia has one of the best ever teams that cricket has ever seen back then, no surprise that Pakistan couldn't beat them. I feel more confident seeing Haddin walk in at #3 for the Aussies instead of Gilly.

 

[rooster]

Pakistan I think. It requires a good bowling attack that can take 20 wickets each time to win a test series. If the batting is even decent Pakistan will win. India have a chance if Umesh and Shami keep improving and we get some world class fast bowling all rounder.

Why is it hard to understand? You are not playing Zimbabwe its Australia so you need a very very good batting lineup not a decent one. That's taking into account that you have a brilliant bowling unit which Pakistan doesn't have either.

 

[Bilal7]

My bad, I should have said second worst. But I hope that the point I made was clear. The reason I don't rate Pakistan's chances is because you have traditionally been the second worst bowling side in Australia.

Pakistani bowlers have performed brilliantly in England, and we can see the results, you won so many Tests there. But in Australia, Pakistan hasn't even drawn a single match ever since I started watching Cricket.

Why do you think Pakistani bowlers struggle in Australia Bilal?

If you notice, pretty much every team averages 40+ in Australia and saying Pakistan has been "second-worst" means nothing when the the difference between the bowling averages of various teams is so little. I rate Pakistan's chances higher because at this point in time, they have the better team than India or Sri Lanka and based on potential alone, have the brightest chance of causing an upset down under.

 

[rooster]

Pakistan's test batting unit is better than India's, at the moment. Don't confuse our ODI batting with our test exploits. If the likes of Shehzad, Azhar, Younis, Misbah, Shafiq and Sarfaraz were to get the same tracks the Indians got earlier this year, they will put up a good showing.

Australia has one of the best ever teams that cricket has ever seen back then, no surprise that Pakistan couldn't beat them. I feel more confident seeing Haddin walk in at #3 for the Aussies instead of Gilly.

I know you like your team but I don't think they are good enough. I can agree if the match is in UAE but it's not.

What's is the current possible Pakistan bowling lineup?

 

[Electron]

If you notice, pretty much every team averages 40+ in Australia and saying Pakistan has been "second-worst" means nothing when the the difference between the bowling averages of various teams is so little. I rate Pakistan's chances higher because at this point in time, they have the better team than India or Sri Lanka and based on potential alone, have the brightest chance of causing an upset down under.

Bro, potential in UAE and outside are two different things. But I am glad to see you so positive, that's the spirit bro.

 

[Bilal7]

I know you like your team but I don't think they are good enough. I can agree if the match is in UAE but it's not.

What's is the current possible Pakistan bowling lineup?

Which is your opinion, I have mine. The current bowling lineup would be Junaid, Riaz, Rahat/Irfan and Ajmal/Yasir.

 

[Bilal7]

Bro, potential in UAE and outside are two different things. But I am glad to see you so positive, that's the spirit bro.

We are talking about a series win in Australia, not the UAE. My post was thus, obviously talking about the potential to cause an upset in Australia.

 

[Electron]

I know you like your team but I don't think they are good enough. I can agree if the match is in UAE but it's not.

What's is the current possible Pakistan bowling lineup?

Wahab - Bowled spell of the decade.
Amir - Young talent of the decade.
Ajmal - Magician of the decade.
Junaid - Gave us the ownage of the decade.

 

[rooster]

Which is your opinion, I have mine. The current bowling lineup would be Junaid, Riaz, Rahat/Irfan and Ajmal/Yasir.

That's a decent bowling lineup. Obviously it looks better than India, but Australia can still score more than the batting lineup you have now against these bowlers. And don't forget you're gonna face a new born Starc, Johnson, Rhino and there's pattinson coming back and they have hazelwood in the bench. Only problem is they don't have a decent spinner but they don't need him in Australia.

 

[rooster]

If taking into account that Misbah and Younis may notbe around for the series. Then it's disastrous for Pakistan.

 

[Electron]

That's a decent bowling lineup. Obviously it looks better than India, but Australia can still score more than the batting lineup you have now against these bowlers. And don't forget you're gonna face a new born Starc, Johnson, Rhino and there's pattinson coming back and they have hazelwood in the bench. Only problem is they don't have a decent spinner but they don't need him in Australia.

Pakistan's only problem will be batting, and that is a BIG problem. Once Aussie bowlers get on top, they can destroy mentally-fragile batting line-ups without even trying.

 

[rooster]

Pakistan's only problem will be batting, and that is a BIG problem. Once Aussie bowlers get on top, they can destroy mentally-fragile batting line-ups without even trying.

That's what I said, they would so it without breaking a sweat.

 

[Bilal7]

That's a decent bowling lineup. Obviously it looks better than India, but Australia can still score more than the batting lineup you have now against these bowlers. And don't forget you're gonna face a new born Starc, Johnson, Rhino and there's pattinson coming back and they have hazelwood in the bench. Only problem is they don't have a decent spinner but they don't need him in Australia.

Look man, any subcon team beating Australia in Australia is highly unlikely. The most likely result of our next series in Australia is a whitewash for the home team but on potential, I feel that Pakistan has the best chance. That may be a 3% chance compared to a 2% for the other two.

 

[Raj-MSDian]

Why is it hard to understand? You are not playing Zimbabwe its Australia so you need a very very good batting lineup not a decent one. That's taking into account that you have a brilliant bowling unit which Pakistan doesn't have either.

When I say decent I mean they don't need to be all Sachins. A team that can put up 250-300 and bowl really well, have a chance anyday.

 

[rooster]

Look man, any subcon team beating Australia in Australia is highly unlikely. The most likely result of our next series in Australia is a whitewash for the home team but on potential, I feel that Pakistan has the best chance. That may be a 3% chance compared to a 2% for the other two.

Okay whatever

 

[rooster]

When I say decent I mean they don't need to be all Sachins. A team that can put up 250-300 and bowl really well, have a chance anyday.

And you think Pakistan can roll out Aussies under 300 in two inns if not for 2 tests at least?

 

[Raj-MSDian]

And you think Pakistan can roll out Aussies under 300 in two inns if not for 2 tests at least?

On their day Pakistan can roll over any team for under 150. But then if the pitch assists the bowler that much their batsmen might get knocked over for 100. Whatever. But they did win an ODI series in South Africa and then we got demolished by the same SA ODI side next month. So the whole unpredictability factor is why I back Pakistan to win a series in Australia, but like I said, If Indian bowlers continue to rise there's no reason why we can't beat Australia in the next decade.

 

[Jo_Don]

Is Australia the only country where an Asian team hasn't won a test series?

 

[vandokkum]

Is Australia the only country where an Asian team hasn't won a test series?

A mediocre team called South Africa, but who cares about that. They are easily beatable, just hasn't been done yet

 

[Cricket-passion]

No Asian team haa ever won a test series vs Aus in Aus
So which team will be the first to win a Test Series in Aus ...
Next time asian team tours aus will be Pak in Dec 2016
Resent tours of asian teams to Aus
Pak vs Aus 2009-10(3-0)
Aus vs Ind 2011-12(4-0) :kami
Aus vs Sl 2012-13(3-0)
Aus vs Ind 2014-15 (2-0)

If it happens then it will be at the hands of Pakistani bowlers!

 

[sweep_shot]

India have improved their pace attack and that's why they won.

Without a good bowling attack, it is difficult to win in Australia.

 

[shamaan]

India have improved their pace attack and that's why they won.

Without a good bowling attack, it is difficult to win in Australia.

Picking the right bowlers is the key.

 

[Ab Fan]

It is indeed a massive achievement and the standout heroes of those win must receive the highest praise for delivering under extreme pressure situations against the best bowlers in their own backyard. For reference, Pant in 2020 and an analogy of it would be with Flintoff in 2005 and Stokes in Headingley 2019.

 

[Saurav]

It is indeed a massive achievement and the standout heroes of those win must receive the highest praise for delivering under extreme pressure situations against the best bowlers in their own backyard. For reference, Pant in 2020 and an analogy of it would be with Flintoff in 2005 and Stokes in Headingley 2019.

both were in home conditions, just hyped by English media.

Stokes especially had luck in the innings IIrc

 

[Saj]

Pakistan seem to panic as soon as they land in Australia for a Test series.

Even some of the strongest Pakistan squads over the years have flopped.

So frustrating.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India have improved their pace attack and that's why they won.

Without a good bowling attack, it is difficult to win in Australia.

I think batting also played a part. Indians love batting on Australian wickets compared to other SENA wickets. Actually wickets are quiet good to bat. Where else Yasir shah will score a 100.

 

[gazza619]

Pakistan seem to panic as soon as they land in Australia for a Test series.

Even some of the strongest Pakistan squads over the years have flopped.

So frustrating.

Its high time we send a young bench squad to Australia. Expectations would be low and they might just surprise.