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Fight of two old houndsThe Rock v Goldust for slapping Cody Rhodes
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Fight of two old houndsThe Rock v Goldust for slapping Cody Rhodes
Would be great to have Goldust go over as well. The guy is so underratedFight of two old hounds
I wish Triple H didnāt have his heart problem, because I would have loved to have seen him against The Rock at Wrestlemania.I'd like a heel Rock vs AJ Styles at Mania. Him vs Randy would be great as well but they already did that Evolution vs Rock and Foley back at Mania 20.
I think its the timeline, defn was the biggest gimmick esp the hospital part lol, i just hated Austin coz he was most loved by the person i hated at school.Apart from me and you, I think the rest have overlooked the Austin/Vince rivalry which ultimately saved the WWF
Never got interested in Trips stuff. I'd like for Dwayne to lock horns with relatively younger guys. AJ, Randy, Drew, Sami etc.I wish Triple H didnāt have his heart problem, because I would have loved to have seen him against The Rock at Wrestlemania.
Triple H and The Rock should have had a one on one match at Wrestlemania 2000. Instead, we ended up getting the god awful fatal four way match.Never got interested in Trips stuff. I'd like for Dwayne to lock horns with relatively younger guys. AJ, Randy, Drew, Sami etc.
I think a Brock vs Rock no holds barred or first blood match would have been just too funTriple H and The Rock should have had a one on one match at Wrestlemania 2000. Instead, we ended up getting the god awful fatal four way match.
Randy v Rock would still be really good. That evolution Vs rock and sock connection was a different era with a different Randy Orton.I'd like a heel Rock vs AJ Styles at Mania. Him vs Randy would be great as well but they already did that Evolution vs Rock and Foley back at Mania 20.
@shaz619 Seems like The Rock is still wrestling at Mania. Who would you like him to face?
I'd have either AJ or Randy.
The Rock v Goldust for slapping Cody Rhodes
Triple H and The Rock should have had a one on one match at Wrestlemania 2000. Instead, we ended up getting the god awful fatal four way match.
That was because of the botch at the Royal Rumble, when Big Show won. Rock hit the floor by mistake before Big Show.Triple H and The Rock should have had a one on one match at Wrestlemania 2000. Instead, we ended up getting the god awful fatal four way match.
Rock is 51Never got interested in Trips stuff. I'd like for Dwayne to lock horns with relatively younger guys. AJ, Randy, Drew, Sami etc.
Rock is 51
AJ Styles is 46
Randy Orton is 43
He is only coming back to work with bloodline
Cody will win ofcourse. But i think Rock vs Punk would have been a better idea. But Punk is injured as they say.Itās not the age necessarily but the ring activity and style, AJ is the best possible match for The Rock at his age, he was selected for a similar job to help Taker have his final match.
I do trust Reigns and Randy though to protect him, I hope he has been training hard because from the little Iāve seen be has been getting gassed just walked up the ramp. Rock needs to have as many matches possible between now and mania, it is difficult when his appearances need to be kept special for max returns.
If the triple threat does occur I think weād have the easiest solution for all
Cody will win ofcourse. But i think Rock vs Punk would have been a better idea. But Punk is injured as they say.
AJ is still one of the best to work a match with his opponent regardless of his opponent's age, agility, experience, ring rust etc.Rock is 51
AJ Styles is 46
Randy Orton is 43
He is only coming back to work with bloodline
Yes they should have. But man Trips would have won that as well and I never liked Trips going over Dwayne. They even had to do that brainless Taker interference in an ironman match just for The Rock to not win.Triple H and The Rock should have had a one on one match at Wrestlemania 2000. Instead, we ended up getting the god awful fatal four way match.
Yes Randy possible opponent for Mania atm seems to be Solo Sikoa and I would definitely prefer Rock vs RandyRandy v Rock would still be really good. That evolution Vs rock and sock connection was a different era with a different Randy Orton.
Now heās in his viper persona as a veteran too
Yes I do think that considering AJ is feuding with LA Knight and will likely put him over at Mania.I still feel they will go down the triple threat route.
I love AJ, but The Rock is all about box office; can they sell Rock vs AJ as a money match? had Lesnar not been weird Rock / Brock could have been that match, Orton is possibly the best alternative
I don't want Roman to be dethroned in a Triple Threat. That'd be a mistake honestly. A 3 year reign should end in a singles match preferebly standard rules.I still feel they will go down the triple threat route.
I love AJ, but The Rock is all about box office; can they sell Rock vs AJ as a money match? had Lesnar not been weird Rock / Brock could have been that match, Orton is possibly the best alternative
Yep but for that they must arrange dwayne's match with someone else.I don't want Roman to be dethroned in a Triple Threat. That'd be a mistake honestly. A 3 year reign should end in a singles match preferebly standard rules.
Yep but for that they must arrange dwayne's match with someone else.
I don't want Roman to be dethroned in a Triple Threat. That'd be a mistake honestly. A 3 year reign should end in a singles match preferebly standard rules.
Hogan was the lead creative in WCW at the time.Sting in 1997 vs NWO was the best. Shame Hogan did not do the job.
Yes but none of them had this much stakes on the line. Benoit's crowning achievement (he wasn't really seen as the next face of the company). Bryan's triple threat was probably the best told storyline during those years but WWE didn't want Bryan initially in the main event. It all probably changed later.That wouldn't be a disaster at all, there ought to have been a bigger issue of them not giving Cody the main event title match. They've done these three ways in similar circumstances before and they all yielded positive responses.
You have to consider this is the best option with the Rock back and the best solution to generate the best box office numbers possible.
If Reigns is not pinned, it gives them the opportunity to run the match with Cody again at a future event.
On the other hand, the three way also presents elimination rules though I doubt that.
Or a suitable compromise could be Rock vs Cody Night 1 and Reigns v Cody Night 2.
It would certainly be interesting to see what direction they go without Rock involved with either Cody or Reigns, but I can't imagine them justifying it financially.
Really? I can't remember Orton and Cena having a single great or memorable match against each other and they faced each other plenty of times.Best story line for what I have seen was Randy vs John cena matches. Those were entertaining times and the matches were awesome to watch. Nowadays, wrestling has become more and more filmy type. Not much interest
the best storyline / rivalry of the ruthless aggression era and top 3 of post attitude era.Best story line for what I have seen was Randy vs John cena matches. Those were entertaining times and the matches were awesome to watch. Nowadays, wrestling has become more and more filmy type. Not much interest
Until they were selfishly buried by Super Cena at Summerslam 2010.Nexus storyline was quite interesting. Probably the most interesting in the depressing PG era
Poor ending.Until they were selfishly buried by Super Cena at Summerslam 2010.
Yes but none of them had this much stakes on the line. Benoit's crowning achievement (he wasn't really seen as the next face of the company). Bryan's triple threat was probably the best told storyline during those years but WWE didn't want Bryan initially in the main event. It all probably changed later.
Roman Brock Seth was changed last minute cause Vince thought Reigns wasn't ready yet. Roman, Edge and Bryan was basically done cause Roman Edge didn't have that oomph in it. Adding Bryan to it made it much better.
Maybe Dwayne can have a squash match at Mania with some mid carder.
Until they were selfishly buried by Super Cena at Summerslam 2010.
Agree with some of your points. Bryan definitely became a much bigger draw than WWE ever thought he would. But I'd say the metric of looking at live events attendance in UK is a bit flawed as UK it has the highest marks/casual fans ratio. AEW which is basically for indie hardcore fans were able to sell out Wembley without having announced a match. And Bryan was an indie darling well before signing with WWE.During the RA era it wasnāt about being reliant on āone nameā alone, they were certainly looking for the next replacement for Austin/Rock, but while that search was ongoing, they worked to improve their roster depth and especially their group of main eventerās. They were not going to be doomed if Benoit wasnāt made champ but in the year which would follow, certainly business was going to be impacted, in fact I would argue business would be impacted more then compared to now.
With the YES movement, they eventually came to the realisation of what a draw Bryan was, this is reinforced by the influence Bryan obtained backstage when he came back and also had a major world title run. I can personally share that every live event where Bryan was advertised in my area was a sell out after WM 30, I actually received a partial refund for one of the shows I attended. So again, I think business was clearly impacted due to his injury, heās a good example actually in that regard because he got mega over and they were unable to capitalise on the heat.
Now I like Cody, they are building him to replace Reigns. But him āfinishing his storyā is not remotely close to Benoit finishing his story, to Eddie finishing his story, to Shawnās boyhood dream or even Bret finally finishing his story at WMX. And heās over but heās not Bryan WM 30 over either, even in that presser it was not like they were rioting some even chanted āWe donāt want Codyā someone may have even said they want Goldust instead
When you combine this with the fact that WWE is the global powerhouse it wasnāt in the last 15-20 years, how its stock has boomed, how financially the business is booming with record breaking profits, their merge with TKO and how they actually secured a 5 billion deal recently; the company is less reliant on one name then ever before, if that was in doubt; Reigns schedule should reinforce that view. The business will not be impacted in the way it would in the past if Cody doesnāt get a singles match with Reigns or doesnāt go over etc
Agree with some of your points. Bryan definitely became a much bigger draw than WWE ever thought he would. But I'd say the metric of looking at live events attendance in UK is a bit flawed as UK it has the highest marks/casual fans ratio. AEW which is basically for indie hardcore fans were able to sell out Wembley without having announced a match. And Bryan was an indie darling well before signing with WWE.
Bryan had Batista as his alternative at Mania 30 while Cody has Dwayne. Dwayne is a much bigger attraction than Batista ever was in wrestling. But yes Cody isn't at that level but think he's done well to become the top guy inside a span of 2 years from his redebut. For casuals, who don't know much about indie wrestling or AEW, he was basically on hiatus for over 6 years before his return.
The good thing I see is Dwayne would be making far more appearances in WWE than he did from 2016 to 2023. (4 if i am counting correctly)
Dwayne taking a step back from Hollywood would be a blessing for Wrestling fans as he's a must see guy when it comes to wrestling but as an actor, not that much.Thatās not the only metric, it applied to events across the states and only a fool at that point would overlook his drawing power, they were forced to build a landmark event around him for a reason. Televised events will have the usual die hard fans but not live events, itās typically a smaller portion and familyās / casuals drive the business for majority of the touring dates. Itās a bit dumb to use AEW, Wembley was a one off stadium show that was built well, you only need to look at how well theyāve been doing up and down the country to see their ceiling, and besides, they priced their tickets so cheap, no major event here would give away so much margin. WWE tickets are vastly more expensive, each show wasnāt as easy a sell in those days compared to now.
Dwayne is the bigger draw so I donāt see your point, heās going to draw regardless and any potential involvement in the main event doesnāt remotely impact the company negatively in any way. Cody has done ok to keep relevant, but his previous run has helped with the company and his surname certainly hold weight. When he carries that championship, it will be more of a test for him and the business to some extent, but thereās less pressure now more than ever and there are no sharks in the dressing room, itās all nicey nice, he fits in perfectly.
Yeah now that he is getting fewer dates than Batista in Hollywood, heās back with his tail between his legs.
Dwayne taking a step back from Hollywood would be a blessing for Wrestling fans as he's a must see guy when it comes to wrestling but as an actor, not that much.
Dwayne's been pretty smart about planning his movie career by using his wrestling popularity.Apparently Dwayne is interested in making serious movies now, Moana 2 is planned so thereās that at least
NWO invading WWF wasn't interesting for me. Nash and Hall were never the draws of the level of Dwayne and Austin. And the angle was done so quickly and nwo fizzled out quicker than its invasion.For me these were some of the best growing up:
1) Stone Cold being run over and trying to find out who it was. Although the reveal was underwhelming with it being Rikishi and his "I did it for the Rock" but the buildup was great with many different suspects each having a different motive.
2) Undertaker / Kane: Great backstory leading up to one of the best debuts of all time for Kane.
3) NWO invading the WWF.
4) Kane being unmasked: WWF did a great job at building up the mask over years and years so it was huge when Kane was finally forced to take the mask off. Kane went on a great run after that.
NWO in WCW was goodNWO invading WWF wasn't interesting for me. Nash and Hall were never the draws of the level of Dwayne and Austin. And the angle was done so quickly and nwo fizzled out quicker than its invasion.
NWO's formation and early run in WCW is one of the best storylines in pro wrestling history. But the WWE version we got was mockery of nwo.NWO in WCW was good
It started of good but fizzled out as they added more and more members. The WWE version was a joke.NWO in WCW was good
but Cody wasn't this good of a wrestler back then. His in ring skills and psychology really improved around 2018-2019. He worked hard to get that good in the ring during the time of inaugral All In. Before that, even during his match with Okada, you could see him pretty being ordinary in a well wrestled match. He apparently studied Ric Flair, Arn Anderson and other old school wrestler's matches during that time.Unpopular opinion, but the whole āUndashingā Cody Rhodes gimmick was the best gimmick of 2011, and you can argue his best persona.
Beating up people then putting paper bags over them, giving paper bags to fans to put on themselves
Hearing Rock turning heel? Though heel character comes naturally to him but tad surprised he is taking that risk at this stage of his career. Hollywood Heel Rock was easily his best character so far.
Rock can play both heel and face effectively.
But, I think face Rock is better. He was a face most of his career.
The problem is modern day PC culture. It doesn't let Rock being his old self. Cancel culture and stuffs.
I personally think heel comes naturally to him. His stints as a heel in Nations of Domination or the Hollywood rock of 2003 is absolute gold. As a face also he was good back in Attitude Era but his face character while feuding with John Cena was boring. He was trying to be Dwayne Johnson rather than the character Rock and trying hard to be in the good books of the audience.
Agree with you on the point that he can't do the stuffs or say things he used to back then in this PG era.
Which Rock was your favorite?
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The new kids can't fathom this.The best storyline in wrestling history is The Undertaker vs Kane storyline.
It had great backstory, Paul Bearer, caskets, fire, masks, great promos, buried alive matches, brothers of destructions. It was peak storytelling and their feud had to have great storytelling, as their matches sucked. For some reason, they didn't have great in-ring chemistry.
As for the best gimmick, it has to be The Undertaker. That man played his gimmick perfectly for 30 years, not just in the ring but outside the ring too. He lived and breath the character. My favourite version of The Undertaker was the 1999 Ministry of Darkness version. That Undertaker scared the crap out of me as a kid.
Probably because WCW screwed the pooch on it and with it killed one of the greatest angles/storylines in wrestling history.How can you miss Sting vs Hogan 1996/ 1997.
That was the coolest version of the Undertaker and his best look to date. Satan incarnate and trying to crucify opponents etc..The best storyline in wrestling history is The Undertaker vs Kane storyline.
It had great backstory, Paul Bearer, caskets, fire, masks, great promos, buried alive matches, brothers of destructions. It was peak storytelling and their feud had to have great storytelling, as their matches sucked. For some reason, they didn't have great in-ring chemistry.
As for the best gimmick, it has to be The Undertaker. That man played his gimmick perfectly for 30 years, not just in the ring but outside the ring too. He lived and breath the character. My favourite version of The Undertaker was the 1999 Ministry of Darkness version. That Undertaker scared the crap out of me as a kid.
Orton is just overrated. Good worker but overratedReally? I can't remember Orton and Cena having a single great or memorable match against each other and they faced each other plenty of times.
Fight of two old hounds
I agree that Orton is massively overrated.Orton is just overrated. Good worker but overrated
But they built him up to be the next big thing and it failed spectacularly.
Pretty sure they wanted Orton -Cena to be the Rock-Austin of the time but while Cena had the natural charisma and mic skills, Orton lacked both .
Being 3rd gen. and Triple He's protege is the only reason he got that far. Just never felt organic.
The Cena era will forever be defined by his rivalries with Edge and later with Punk