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Which side has the best top 6 batters in ICC World Cup 2023?

Which side has the best top 6 batters in ICC World Cup 2023?

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As per performance showed by South African Batters today against Sri Lanka. In my opinion they have top 6 batters.

England also have top 6 batters, but they are due, to do to fireworks in this ICC World Cup
 
In first inning, South Africa.

While chasing, India and England.
 
Let us wait and see how each team play on different surfaces against different oppositions.
 
Stats prove that.... South Africa has the best average and top S/R among the main teams in last 20-21 months.



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MenInG said:
Yes unable to win a World Cup or any ICC tournament for that matter?
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This might be their time. I agree that this is the most exciting and brutal top 6 in this world cup. If the pitches are flat it's going to be a struggle for the opposition bowlers. Would love it if they go all the way. Would be compelling viewing if they do.
 
India first and then South Africa. Not sure how SA batters will handle pressure at crucial stages of this tournament.
 
W63L35 said:
Stats prove that.... South Africa has the best average and top S/R among the main teams in last 20-21 months.



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I say 4-6 is making their 1-3 look good. I took out Netherlands i checked 1-3 strike rate. SOuth Africa's middle order can be brutal. You would rather want SA's top order play most overs than the middle order.


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Looking at these numbers Bangladesh cuts a very sorry figure. 77, 73, 75 strike rates by 3 groups
 
MenInG said:
Yes unable to win a World Cup or any ICC tournament for that matter?
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I did mention last 20-21 months and I think, the last ODI Cup was held prior to that.
2nd point is... a lot of times the best team do not win the ICC tournaments... for example;
1992 Pak, 1983 Ind, 1999 Pak, 1987 Pak, 1996 SL, etc.
3rd point is... past performces never guarantee the future performances.
4th point is ... I was just endorsing @Saj's opinion in your post above.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I say 4-6 is making their 1-3 look good. I took out Netherlands i checked 1-3 strike rate. SOuth Africa's middle order can be brutal. You would rather want SA's top order play most overs than the middle order.


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Very good point!
 
People are sleeping on South Africa... I've been saying for ages that they're top 4 material and if things keep clicking like they did today then they're the best team in the world.
 
Still believe Aus > Eng > SA > Ind > NZ > Pak simply based on explosiveness. But there are other factors like consistency, performance under pressure, bowling attack strength which make a good WC team. That is where SA struggle.
 
South Africa's top 6 is brutal but I believe they can come unstuck against a decent bowling unit when chasing.

But overall I reckon South Africa's is the strongest top 6 on paper.
 
Saj said:
South Africa's top 6 is brutal but I believe they can come unstuck against a decent bowling unit when chasing.

But overall I reckon South Africa's is the strongest top 6 on paper.
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Same unit bowled out for 99 on the same ground against India's b string side. Kuldeep took 4 for 18 Then again the same line up found themselves at 9/5 at Trivandrum in swinging conditions. Arshdeep singh ran through them alongwith chahar.
 
Definately South Africa. They can do wonders here if their top 6 continue with the form they have shown in their first match.
 
Honestly ngl, NZ, SA and India are the strongest teams this tournament. SA I'm not sure cause I have no clue what South Africa will show this tournament. The Sri lanka bashing set a hood example though
 
W63L35 said:
Stats prove that.... South Africa has the best average and top S/R among the main teams in last 20-21 months.



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It's a little complicated than that. Batting first, maybe. We're up there with India in terms of W/L ratio. We have the best batting average and 2nd best SR. But remember we can still collapse, even at our "main strength" i.e. batting first. Temperament has to be factored in.



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Batting second is where India is ahead of the rest by some margin. I'd argue that they have the best bowling attack too. It's their world cup to lose.
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Southern Afrikaan is at another level.

First match of the CWC and 3 centurions , it’s not even funny anymore. They’re just too dangerous on batting pitches.
 
We have two accumulators in the top 6; Bavuma and RvD, BOTH have to be in good form if we are to stand a chance in this world cup. Then we'd need one of QdK, (Makram can be both), Klassen and Miller to fire.

Even then the bowling attack is a worry. There's too many forces against us. I just don't see how we win it when better balanced sides came short
 
soso_killer said:
It's a little complicated than that. Batting first, maybe. We're up there with India in terms of W/L ratio. We have the best batting average and 2nd best SR. But remember we can still collapse, even at our "main strength" i.e. batting first. Temperament has to be factored in.



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Batting second is where India is ahead of the rest by some margin. I'd argue that they have the best bowling attack too. It's their world cup to lose.
(All since 1 June 2022)
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Damn, Southern Afrikaans are so bad in 2nd innings. That's embarassing.
 
Ab Fan said:
Damn, Southern Afrikaans are so bad in 2nd innings. That's embarassing.
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Beyond shocking. If we had the mental resilience of the Springboks, then fine. Bat first irrespective of the conditions, put a decent total. If you manage to lose, then fine.

They'd come home to a heroes welcome regardless. But to bottle games in all kinds of manners is just unacceptable
 
soso_killer said:
Beyond shocking. If we had the mental resilience of the Springboks, then fine. Bat first irrespective of the conditions, put a decent total. If you manage to lose, then fine.

They'd come home to a heroes welcome regardless. But to bottle games in all kinds of manners is just unacceptable
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The only consolation is that run rate. If it "clicks" .....
Pigs will fly before that happens though
 
soso_killer said:
Beyond shocking. If we had the mental resilience of the Springboks, then fine. Bat first irrespective of the conditions, put a decent total. If you manage to lose, then fine.

They'd come home to a heroes welcome regardless. But to bottle games in all kinds of manners is just unacceptable
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soso_killer said:
The only consolation is that run rate. If it "clicks" .....
Pigs will fly before that happens though
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It does seem same kind of problem for South Africa like the past teams. Chasing down totals is a challenge, in first inning if they get good start they can absolutely demolish opposition in the first half itself by amassing a huge total but in second inning, a collapse can happen anytime.
 
Ab Fan said:
It does seem same kind of problem for South Africa like the past teams. Chasing down totals is a challenge, in first inning if they get good start they can absolutely demolish opposition in the first half itself by amassing a huge total but in second inning, a collapse can happen anytime.
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We haven't had a lower order like in the 90's unfortunately. Back then we had a solid middle and lower order. Our top order wasn't as dynamic or solid as the ones we've had over the last decade or so. We've never been a balanced ODI side.

Our bowling is the weakest I've seen since readmission too. Sooner or later we'll be exposed, batting first or otherwise
 
soso_killer said:
The only consolation is that run rate. If it "clicks" .....
Pigs will fly before that happens though
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Great to see you here Soso bhai.

Some Afrikaana representation is must.

I am missing our Aussie friends
 
It is hard to not choose a batting order that have Gill, Sharma and Kohli so I would go with India.
 
On batting belters - South Africa. It’ll be difficult to stop that hitting machine on roads, particularly if they are batting first without chasing pressure.

On a bit tricky wicket, I would take New Zealand, particularly if Will is back and in form.

They have a nice balance of hitter & grafter, a good mix of left-right combo, all round players who can play spin, raw pace or seem and some brutal hitters as well down the line who can hit instantly.

Conway
Young
Will
Mitchell
Latham
Phillips/Chapman
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Ravindra
Shantnar

Frightening lineup & most of them are in good touch now.
 
soso_killer said:
We haven't had a lower order like in the 90's unfortunately. Back then we had a solid middle and lower order. Our top order wasn't as dynamic or solid as the ones we've had over the last decade or so. We've never been a balanced ODI side.

Our bowling is the weakest I've seen since readmission too. Sooner or later we'll be exposed, batting first or otherwise
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Klaasen holds key here as you will get tricky pitches at various phases in the tournament and would need someone who is excellent vs spin to put the pressure back.

I feel South Africa have fallen short in ICC tournaments due to not producing that many high class players of spin bowling in limited overs and this side having Klaasen gives them some advantage but then this side has some other flaws which other SA sides probably didn't had.
 
At the moment, Australia are also one batsman short, they are clearly missing the services of Travis Head because Mitchell Marsh and Cameron Green are basically bits and pieces cricketers and their two other batsman, Labuschagne and Carey aren't anywhere close to world class standards.

England will be in better position with Stokes back and India are looking strong, I hope I don't end up jinking. At the moment,my bet is on India as they look very close to invincible.
 
So far I would have to say South Africa and New Zealand have certainly performed the best, but I expect England to show their class as well.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Great to see you here Soso bhai.

Some Afrikaana representation is must.

I am missing our Aussie friends
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I used to be active on here a lot until life got in the way. I'll try and login from time to time for sure
 
soso_killer said:
We haven't had a lower order like in the 90's unfortunately. Back then we had a solid middle and lower order. Our top order wasn't as dynamic or solid as the ones we've had over the last decade or so. We've never been a balanced ODI side.

Our bowling is the weakest I've seen since readmission too. Sooner or later we'll be exposed, batting first or otherwise
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You have never truly found the replacements of Klusner, Pollock, Boucher, Boje, Hall etc. Kemp, Morkel,Botha etc had shown promise but they never could sustain for long. The current lower order is ridiculously long & can be exposed embarrassingly in a must win match. Simply no other choice but to always bat first & aim big.
 
160KPH said:
So far I would have to say South Africa and New Zealand have certainly performed the best, but I expect England to show their class as well.
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Yup, South Africa top order have looked amazing in both of their matches.
 
hassan918 said:
Yup, South Africa top order have looked amazing in both of their matches.
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Bavuma is still a weak link. That guy is going to hurt his side at some point. Other 5 guys are okay. But mentally yet to be tested. All these guys choked in T20 match against Netherlands.
 
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