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As we all know, the batting concern for Ind is their middle order of Rayudu, Jadhav, Dhoni and Pandya.While this doesnt look horrible, they shouldnt left too much to chase.
But the bigger question is is their a bowling line up today that can expose this weakness consistently.
For eg.
Aus- Doesnt quite have the bowling for Eng conditions
Nz-Good with new ball but once Ind middle order plays overs from Boult, it shouldnt be much of a problem.
Sa- Excellent test bowling unit but I dont think they can dismantle batting units in ODIs.
Eng- Perhaps the weakest bowling attack amongst top 5 teams
Sl, Wi- no discussion.
Which bowling unit is capable for getting out this middle order?
Discuss.
 
Pakistan and we will show you on 19th June in Manchesterz👍 Shaheen, Amir And Hassan ali will show you.
 
KP From India said:
Like in Asia cup?
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How about you stick to your topic point, who can dismentle indian middle order. Why go in the past, if thats the case, we all saw how you guys got hammered in CT Final, after your media made you guys champions of cricket world.
 
One swallow doesnt make a summer.
I have no doubt on Pak bowling strength, all are matchwinners on their day but we havent seen that in last 15-18 months.
 
KP From India said:
As we all know, the batting concern for Ind is their middle order of Rayudu, Jadhav, Dhoni and Pandya.While this doesnt look horrible, they shouldnt left too much to chase.
But the bigger question is is their a bowling line up today that can expose this weakness consistently.
For eg.
Aus- Doesnt quite have the bowling for Eng conditions
Nz-Good with new ball but once Ind middle order plays overs from Boult, it shouldnt be much of a problem.
Sa- Excellent test bowling unit but I dont think they can dismantle batting units in ODIs.
Eng- Perhaps the weakest bowling attack amongst top 5 teams
Sl, Wi- no discussion.
Which bowling unit is capable for getting out this middle order?
Discuss.
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England have already beaten them so.....
 
Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand are all capable of exploiting the holes in the Indian batting line up.
 
Any team that can get three wickets with the new balls. So that means any of the other top six teams.
 
Get 2 of the top 3, and then starts the tail pretty much. Key is to have them 2 (or preferably 3) down inside 10 overs so that the weak middle order has to face up for most of the innings. It's not gonna be easy if the ball isn't moving around, but if it is, you're in the game.
 
just get top 3 and rest will collapse, it has happened too many times recently. Also the memories of champions trophy would still be fresh in Indian minds when they come back to england for the world cup
 
lahoriyah1234 said:
How about you stick to your topic point, who can dismentle indian middle order. Why go in the past, if thats the case, we all saw how you guys got hammered in CT Final, after your media made you guys champions of cricket world.
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Did you forget Pakistan got thrashed by India in the league phase? if you talk about CT it is 1-1 . If we are strictly talking about league phase India has the upper hand. Let us see if we Pak and India even get to the final.
 
Shoaib88 said:
just get top 3 and rest will collapse, it has happened too many times recently. Also the memories of champions trophy would still be fresh in Indian minds when they come back to england for the world cup
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Yes pleasant memory of beating Pakistan in the league phase :) Only stupid thing India did was not playing 4 seamers like they did in the league phase. They used quarter-fit Ashwin and Jadeja. This time there are no such freebie bowlers. Re-invigorated Mohammad Shami, Much more polished Bumrah, wrist twins.
 
Not too many times. It has also happened that many times these Rayudus, Jadhavs, Dhonis whom we are underestimating have prevented a collapse and help Ind to reach a respectable total or chase the targets as we have seen in Nz and Aus series.If the target is above 300 or RR above 7, they are not likely to chase that but anything below that, they are capable.
 
Currently it's India's TOP 3 are the problem and not the middle order. Yes! Rohit-Dhawan are out of form and Kohli is not scoring big numbers either. It's a big concern now! Middle order of Jadhav, Dhoni, Pandya, Rayudu/Shankar/DK is good enough to recover from any situation!
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Currently it's India's TOP 3 are the problem and not the middle order. Yes! Rohit-Dhawan are out of form and Kohli is not scoring big numbers either. It's a big concern now! Middle order of Jadhav, Dhoni, Pandya, Rayudu/Shankar/DK is good enough to recover from any situation!
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Middle order is not just about recovery. They have to be nearly as good as top order. They should be able to accelerate after settling down. I don't see this middle order capable of that apart from jadhav on his day.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Middle order is not just about recovery. They have to be nearly as good as top order. They should be able to accelerate after settling down. I don't see this middle order capable of that apart from jadhav on his day.
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We have 4 more matches to come to a conclusion about it! Let's see! What do you think of Top 3? Dhawan has one 50+ score in the last 10 innings, Rohit is tuk-tuking like a tailender and Kohli getting out to leggies and oppositions using leggies against him to get his wicket in every match! Alarming!
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Did you see the bowling unit they fielded in England? It was a side without key players. Still it was only 2-1.
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Can we stop this constant nonsense now? It was as full strength a side as India could field at the time.

Can you tell me in advance what the excuse will be in the world cup ?
 
Depending too much on Kohli and Bumrah.
Without Kohli today they wouldn’t have crossed 150.
 
barah_admi said:
Can we stop this constant nonsense now? It was as full strength a side as India could field at the time.

Can you tell me in advance what the excuse will be in the world cup ?
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Yea.. that is not the XI India will field in the world cup.
 
Tyler Durden said:
We have 4 more matches to come to a conclusion about it! Let's see! What do you think of Top 3? Dhawan has one 50+ score in the last 10 innings, Rohit is tuk-tuking like a tailender and Kohli getting out to leggies and oppositions using leggies against him to get his wicket in every match! Alarming!
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All said and done they are the reason why India is a second ranked ODI side. Middle order issue has been around since 2016. They were covering the inadequacies of middle order for far too long. Our openers play non stop. They just need a break. THey will do well.
 
Dhoni, Jadav and Rayadu can hold their own against the likes of Lanka, Afghanistan and BD bowling attacks.

The problem comes if the Top 3 are back in the hut for 50 runs against the likes of Pak, Aus, NZ and even WI/Eng. We will not score more than 200. That will be a walk in the park for Aus, NZ, Eng etc.

This Indian team will be the biggest bust in the recent times. Top 3, Bumrah/Kulfi can only save India so many times.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
All said and done they are the reason why India is a second ranked ODI side. Middle order issue has been around since 2016. They were covering the inadequacies of middle order for far too long. Our openers play non stop. They just need a break. THey will do well.
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We had the middle order problem even in 2015 WC. Never was addressed. We kept giving chances to TTF's and very few youngsters were tried.

Dhawan & Rohit being out of form is amplifying our issues.
 
troodon said:
We had the middle order problem even in 2015 WC. Never was addressed. We kept giving chances to TTF's and very few youngsters were tried.

Dhawan & Rohit being out of form is amplifying our issues.
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Exactly.. people forget that and blame the top order. SUre they can afford to go off color from time to time. Middle order has to step up.
 
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