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Which team has the most settled top seven for the 2019 World Cup: Australia, India or Pakistan?

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These 3 teams are some of the contenders. But their batting is unsettled, compared to NZ, SA and ENG.

Though, these 3 teams have a good bowling line up.


Let's check the batting

AUSTRALIA:

Warner √
Finch √
Smith √
???
???
Maxwell (hit or miss)
Wade + (hit or miss)

INDIA:

Rohit (beast on FT)
Shikhar √
Kohli √
???
Dhoni + (Match loser, as he cannot keep up with the momentum of the top order)
Jadhav (Match loser with the bat)
Pandya (average with the ball)

PAKISTAN:

Fakhar (hit or miss)
Imam (yet to be proven)
Babar √
Hafeez (has been doing quite well, off late. Brings balance to the team with his bowling)
Malik √
Sarfraz √

I think Pakistan has the Settled top 7, then comes India and Australia at the last.
 
Pakistan's top 7 is not settled at all. Your conclusion makes no sense.

Hafeez has been banned from bowling and without his "allround skills" he is of no use. Especially when their is another senior Malik. So with Malik and Hafeez in the top 7 we are already starting with the wrong foot. Coupled with the fact that the openers are fairly newbs. One has only played two games while the other has only been around since a couple of months and is having trouble to find back his groove after the initial CT hovac.

Sarfraz's batting hasn't been the most reliable either.

So the openers are not settled, the lower order has a lot of question marks. No way we have the most settled top 7. Maxwell'hit and miss are a lot better than Hafeez's or do you think he is a consistent performer with the bat?
 
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Only thing that matters is who s settled in 2019.
 
These 3 teams are some of the contenders. But their batting is unsettled, compared to NZ, SA and ENG.

Though, these 3 teams have a good bowling line up.


Let's check the batting

AUSTRALIA:

Warner √
Finch √
Smith √
???
???
Maxwell (hit or miss)
Wade + (hit or miss)

INDIA:

Rohit (beast on FT)
Shikhar √
Kohli √
???
Dhoni + (Match loser, as he cannot keep up with the momentum of the top order)
Jadhav (Match loser with the bat)
Pandya (average with the ball)

PAKISTAN:

Fakhar (hit or miss)
Imam (yet to be proven)
Babar √
Hafeez (has been doing quite well, off late. Brings balance to the team with his bowling)
Malik √
Sarfraz √

I think Pakistan has the Settled top 7, then comes India and Australia at the last.

Malik is not confirmed....his batting against top sides overseas is yet to be proven..he was pretty much useless in the CT
 
From these 3 india has more sttled top order.with Rohit.shikar.Kohli and pandya at least...the others hve less than 3 or 3 settled,
 
These 3 teams are some of the contenders. But their batting is unsettled, compared to NZ, SA and ENG.

Though, these 3 teams have a good bowling line up.


Let's check the batting

AUSTRALIA:

Warner √
Finch √
Smith √
???
???
Maxwell (hit or miss)
Wade + (hit or miss)

INDIA:

Rohit (beast on FT)
Shikhar √
Kohli √
???
Dhoni + (Match loser, as he cannot keep up with the momentum of the top order)
Jadhav (Match loser with the bat)
Pandya (average with the ball)

PAKISTAN:

Fakhar (hit or miss)
Imam (yet to be proven)
Babar √
Hafeez (has been doing quite well, off late. Brings balance to the team with his bowling)
Malik √
Sarfraz √

I think Pakistan has the Settled top 7, then comes India and Australia at the last.
None

New Zealand has the most settled top 7

Guptill
Latham
Williamson
Taylor
Munro
Grandome/Corey Anderson

England too..
 
I think England has the best settled not only 7 but 11.

Roy
Hales/Bristow
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Butler
moyeen ali
 
These 3 teams are some of the contenders. But their batting is unsettled, compared to NZ, SA and ENG.

Though, these 3 teams have a good bowling line up.


Let's check the batting

AUSTRALIA:

Warner √
Finch √
Smith √
???
???
Maxwell (hit or miss)
Wade + (hit or miss)

INDIA:

Rohit (beast on FT)
Shikhar √
Kohli √
???
Dhoni + (Match loser, as he cannot keep up with the momentum of the top order)
Jadhav (Match loser with the bat)
Pandya (average with the ball)

PAKISTAN:

Fakhar (hit or miss)
Imam (yet to be proven)
Babar √
Hafeez (has been doing quite well, off late. Brings balance to the team with his bowling)
Malik √
Sarfraz √

I think Pakistan has the Settled top 7, then comes India and Australia at the last.
Even in present scenario, dhoni is much better than sarfaraz, so labelling dhoni as match loser and sarfaraz as a stable batsman is vague.
Its just that the constraints set for dhoni are quite high due to his ATG stature and previous accolades. He still can finish matches or save us from sinking like he did today.
 
Personally I don't think Pakistan's top order is satisfying in any way. Hafeez's bowling if not fixed will be a massive blow as he can't offer anything to the side without it. Haris Sohail who has an average of 43 in ODI and was Pakistan's No.3 in 2015 WC can't seem to get a spot despite bowling decent off spin. Malik is also a big question mark especially since his champions trophy was quiet. He would need to have some good performances to cement his spot. Sarfaraz Ahmed is probably the only one that is certain to be in the team. The hope is Babar continue to show his form in ODI cricket and Fakhar needs to find form again & needs to find it against the Kiwis. Imam has still need to impress as he is definitely not certain of a place in the team. The final question mark will be on the No.7, me personally would like to have Faheem Ashraf, but with the way the team is currently going it could be Imad Wasim (great) For me the side would be:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Sahibzada Farhan/Mukhtar Ahmed/Imam-ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Shoaib Malik/Hussain Talat/Saad Ali
6. Sarfaraz Ahmed
7. Faheem Ashraf
 
Comparing the players(on basis of regular performances and stability) we get(all eleven players)
Warner=rohit>fakhar
Shikher.>finch>imam
Kohli(👑) daylight babar ~smith
Hafeez>uncertainty
Malik(he is doing fine)
Msdhoni>sarfi>>>>>wade
Pandya>faheem~stoinis(pandya is an inch ahead of others as he has a man of the series award as well as a atg knock vs pak)
Shadab>>>>zampa>not fixed
Starc>amir>bhuvi
Hassan>hazlewood~bumrah
Pat cummins~shami~rumman
 
Tough to say. NZ and SA I dont have much expectations. England only because the WC is in England otherwise zero expectations from them also.

Its between Aus, India and Pak.

India could have settled unit till 2019 WC but given some of the blunders done in recent times I dont expect much in WC 2019 from India either.
 
Pakistan bowling is settled , batting is no way.

pakistan opening combination is not settled, lower order is not there.
 
Comparing the players(on basis of regular performances and stability) we get(all eleven players)
Warner=rohit>fakhar
Shikher.>finch>imam
Kohli(👑) daylight babar ~smith
Hafeez>uncertainty
Malik(he is doing fine)
Msdhoni>sarfi>>>>>wade
Pandya>faheem~stoinis(pandya is an inch ahead of others as he has a man of the series award as well as a atg knock vs pak)
Shadab>>>>zampa>not fixed
Starc>amir>bhuvi
Hassan>hazlewood~bumrah
Pat cummins~shami~rumman
Smith is the king in pressure matches. Clear daylight btw him and kohli . Amith scored 50,100 and 50 not out in qf.sf and final of world cup. Something that king kohli cant even dream
 
If you compare our batting to those two lineups, there is a gulf in terms of explosiveness. We seriously lack powerhitting and are dependent on the formula where we bowl first and restrict opponents to low totals.

Yes we scored 300+ in the CT final but you can't guarantee India will play as poorly as they did then, or for Fakhar Zaman to be reprieved courtesy of a no-ball.

Imam-ul-Haq is more of a long form player, I'm glad he performed against Sri Lanka and had an opportunity against a weak attack, but I'd like to see Sahibzada Farhan pair Fakhar Zaman to give us an explosive left-right combination.

Malik and Sarfraz should be locked in for 5 and 6. Haris could come in at 4 but he didn't play in the ODI series against Sri Lanka due to injury - which has been a long-running concern for Haris. I'd play Fahim Ashraf at 7 and give him the Abdul Razzaq role.
 
Jason Roy/Bairstow
Alex Hales
Joe Root
Eoin Morgan
Ben Stokes
Jos Buttler
Moin Ali


Quiton de Qock
Hashim Amla
Faf du Plesis
Ab de Villiers
Duminy
Miller

Both of these line ups are more settles than the 3 posted in the opening post.
 
Smith is the king in pressure matches. Clear daylight btw him and kohli . Amith scored 50,100 and 50 not out in qf.sf and final of world cup. Something that king kohli cant even dream

Smith is the king in"Knockout wc matches" not"pressure matches".Knockout matches are a subset of pressure matches.18 centuries while chasing and during many 300+ chases show that kohli is a much better batsman under pressure.Its a myth that kohli cant perform in knockout matches 77 in t20 wc 2014,35 in wc 2011(indeed a very stabilising knock),98 against bangladesh in ct 2017,43 in ct 2013 final.The thread was about which team has a more stable batting unit and virat is comfortably better than smith as no.3 in odis
 
England and Pakistan (if they remove Hafeez and Azhar).

India will be going with an aging batting lineup. I don't expect them to do as well as they have done in the recent world cups. The same is true for SA.
 
Pakistan lack a blaster at the top like Sharjeel. Hopefully Farhan can be ready soon, the guy is a crisp boundary hitter.
 
Did u even read the post?

I've already said, England, SA and NZ have a settled line up.

The question is who among (AUS, IND, PAK) have the most settled line up?

no i didnt read it...i read it quickly my bad.....so out of the three i would have to say Pakistan
 
India and Pakistan are both settled although India's is way stronger than ours. Australia's is in shambles right now because Smith and Warner are gone for the year. I will go even further and say that, I don't think Australia has any batsman that could hold onto his place right now.
 
Keep an eye on Steve smith he will score 500+ runs for aus and warner too 400+ runs.
 
Pakistans top 7 is settled for now

Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Talat
Malik
Shadab

the batting order is the only thing we need to figure out.
 
nazar mai hai koi ? :(
unfortunately i don't see any yar. My best bet is to open with Babar and Haris at 3.

Just Farhan... did you see the sixes he hit in PSL? The guy has the ability but also a few technical issues which probably won’t be fixed by playing in domestics. I would debut him against Zimbabwe definitely.
 
Bhai your saying :sarf settled batter and :msd match loser... What does it mean ?

It's about context.

I have never seen Sarfi playing 25(40).

I would take 20(20) from Dhoni, rather than 35(50).

They both play in lower order, where strike rate matters more than the runs. Our top 3 plays most of the overs, so Dhoni need to capitalize on it. What he's been doing off late I don't even want to mention. We've lost many games due to his snail paced innings.

Again, you are open to have your opinion.
 
It's about context.

I have never seen Sarfi playing 25(40).

I would take 20(20) from Dhoni, rather than 35(50).

They both play in lower order, where strike rate matters more than the runs. Our top 3 plays most of the overs, so Dhoni need to capitalize on it. What he's been doing off late I don't even want to mention. We've lost many games due to his snail paced innings.

Again, you are open to have your opinion.

Hmm .... let's see who will be more useful in WC'19 :msd or :sarf
 
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1) Fakhar
2) ?
3) Babar
4) Haris
5) Sarfaraz (c) (wk)
6) Malik
7) Shadab
8) Fahim
9) Amir
10) Hassan
11) Junaid

If we had a de Kock, Amla or Dhawan to open the batting along with Fakhar, the cup was as good as ours.

As it stands, a repeat of the incredible bowling performance displayed at the CT is needed.
 
Pak and Aus are not settled but are facing diff problems.

Pakistan are starting to have an embarrassment of riches, Fakhar, Babar, Talat, Salman, Maqsood, Asif Ali, Sarfraz, Malik, Shadab, Nawaz, maybe even Imad who could all find a place at some point in a 7 man batting line up. That's 11 names for just 7 places. However, they are largely untested and inexperienced.

Aus have had an unsettled top 7 for a while now made worse by no Warner and no Smith. They need to go hunting.

India have a pretty settled batting line up, but there is a major problem, a number of those batsmen do not perform on anything other than a flat road (Sharma), while someone like Dhoni is too slow or playing for the not out. Not quite sure why he is still around.

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Its why England being so settled without injuries and controversies are so dangerous.
 
1) Fakhar
2) ?
3) Babar
4) Haris
5) Sarfaraz (c) (wk)
6) Malik
7) Shadab
8) Fahim
9) Amir
10) Hassan
11) Junaid

If we had a de Kock, Amla or Dhawan to open the batting along with Fakhar, the cup was as good as ours.

As it stands, a repeat of the incredible bowling performance displayed at the CT is needed.

No Talat? :broad:

Definitely agree though, if we even had Sharjeel, we would have one hand on the cup.
 
We are anything but settled. In our last ODI series of 5 matches we had like 4 different opening partnerships. Sometimes people forget that we are world class in T20s, but still highly average in ODIs. We can turn it up when required (as seen in CT) but there needs to be a few structural changes for us to be a top 4 ODI side.


Namely we need to get rid of Azhar, Imam, Hafeez and possibly Malik from the ODI side. Push Babar upto open, with Azhar as opener he was coming into bat in the first or second over anyway. When he can open in T20s then why not ODIs? Harry at 3, Talat at 4, Saifi at 5, Malik at 6 for now but definitely need to have his replacement in the squad, maybe Asif Ali? The rest of the side is pretty much set in stone.
 
We are anything but settled. In our last ODI series of 5 matches we had like 4 different opening partnerships. Sometimes people forget that we are world class in T20s, but still highly average in ODIs. We can turn it up when required (as seen in CT) but there needs to be a few structural changes for us to be a top 4 ODI side.


Namely we need to get rid of Azhar, Imam, Hafeez and possibly Malik from the ODI side. Push Babar upto open, with Azhar as opener he was coming into bat in the first or second over anyway. When he can open in T20s then why not ODIs? Harry at 3, Talat at 4, Saifi at 5, Malik at 6 for now but definitely need to have his replacement in the squad, maybe Asif Ali? The rest of the side is pretty much set in stone.

Nope, not with that List A average of 18.
 
Pak and Aus are not settled but are facing diff problems.

Pakistan are starting to have an embarrassment of riches, Fakhar, Babar, Talat, Salman, Maqsood, Asif Ali, Sarfraz, Malik, Shadab, Nawaz, maybe even Imad who could all find a place at some point in a 7 man batting line up. That's 11 names for just 7 places. However, they are largely untested and inexperienced.

Aus have had an unsettled top 7 for a while now made worse by no Warner and no Smith. They need to go hunting.

India have a pretty settled batting line up, but there is a major problem, a number of those batsmen do not perform on anything other than a flat road (Sharma), while someone like Dhoni is too slow or playing for the not out. Not quite sure why he is still around.

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Its why England being so settled without injuries and controversies are so dangerous.


Steve Smith and David Warner will be avaliable for the WC
 
All teams have similar issues in the lower middle order.

Australia top order will be fine once Smith and Warner return. Indian top 3 is gun. We needed an opener but Fakhar and Babar are very good LO players.
 
Hmm .... let's see who will be more useful in WC'19 :msd or :sarf

Even a brick will be more useful than Dhoni these days in ODIs. He is simply playing on reputation for the last 4 years.

Can't wait for his retirement from international cricket for good.
 
Agree on :msd recent poor form, as we all know .. :msd is not going anywhere until WC'19 if no injuries. Just accept the fact, hope he delivers the best in WC :19:
 
None to be frank. None of the 3 teams you mentioned have a settled batting line up for the world cup.
 
Pakistan doesn't have a settled batting order. Micky Arthur still not satisfied with his odi team I think it should be like this
1.Fakher
2.babar(no other choice)
3.haris ( also can be used as an opener)
4. Sarfraz (should not bat lower than this)
5.malik
6. Talat /Asif/amir yameen(he can be better batsman at no.6 )
7.faheem/shadab
8. Shadab/faheem
 
Steve Smith and David Warner will be avaliable for the WC

Really? When does the ban lift?

If they are available, it still doesn't leave a stable middle order, which AUS have been experimenting with for a while now.
 
Speaking of A teams, England line up looks settled. However Morgan is their biggest weakness. India team just needs a no. 4. Otherwise the team that spanked SA in SA looks good. SA didn't look threatening even with AB and Amla in the Indian series. However their unit will be stronger by WC time with Markram and Klaasen in their ranks. They are the weakest of the three gun teams though.

Coming to B teams, NZ looks settled. They can beat anyone on their day. AUS was terrible in ODIs even with Smith and Warner in that last year or so. There is not one player in their team that can score big runs on a consistent basis now except for Finch. They still have a great bowling attack. They need a couple more players to step up. Pakistan seems to be the most unsettled at this point with a lot of inexperience. Fakhar, Babar, Sarfraz and to a certain extent Malik are set. The rest still need to establish and go through trial by fire with series against AUS, NZ and SA later this year. If they don't perform, there might not be enough time to bring in any new players.

As far as C teams go, SL seems to have a settled combo but are inexperienced. They might surprise a team or two once in a while. BD seems to have lost their bowling mojo after a great couple of years. Fizz has gone down in pace and Taskin has fallen away. Rubel and co. are very inconsistent. Sarkar is out of favor. Shabbir has regressed. They need a couple of batsmen to support their 4 stars Riyad, Tamim, Shakib and Mushy. They need a few changes and fast. Windies are duds without their T20 stars. WICB needs to change their rule of playing domestic 50 overs tournament to qualify for playing international ODIs. Otherwise, they will risk losing every game in the world cup. Forget about being a settled side or not, they are just not good enough without their stars. Afg has a very good team and will surprise a couple of teams. Their team is settled and very cohesive.
 
Pakistan ODI team is still very much unsettled: Hussain Talat is yet to play in ODIs, Malik is inconsistent against top teams, we don`t have a second opener and need a good third seemer - next 6 months will be crucial when we play against Aus, NZ and SA to come up with a good XI for WC19.

My XI would be:
1. Fakhar
2. Babar
3. Harris
4. Hussain
5. Sarfaraz
6. Malik
7. Shadab
8. Faheem
9. Hasan Ali
10. Aamir
11. Shaheen (could be our Akhtar from WC99)
 
If you compare our batting to those two lineups, there is a gulf in terms of explosiveness. We seriously lack powerhitting and are dependent on the formula where we bowl first and restrict opponents to low totals.

Yes we scored 300+ in the CT final but you can't guarantee India will play as poorly as they did then, or for Fakhar Zaman to be reprieved courtesy of a no-ball.

Imam-ul-Haq is more of a long form player, I'm glad he performed against Sri Lanka and had an opportunity against a weak attack, but I'd like to see Sahibzada Farhan pair Fakhar Zaman to give us an explosive left-right combination.

Malik and Sarfraz should be locked in for 5 and 6. Haris could come in at 4 but he didn't play in the ODI series against Sri Lanka due to injury - which has been a long-running concern for Haris. I'd play Fahim Ashraf at 7 and give him the Abdul Razzaq role.

I think Asif Ali should be played in the ODIs. He is undoubtedly the best hitter in Pakistan and is our only hope in the WC as far as power hitting is concerned. He should play almost all the ODIs till the WC
 
Speaking of A teams, England line up looks settled. However Morgan is their biggest weakness. India team just needs a no. 4. Otherwise the team that spanked SA in SA looks good. SA didn't look threatening even with AB and Amla in the Indian series. However their unit will be stronger by WC time with Markram and Klaasen in their ranks. They are the weakest of the three gun teams though.

Coming to B teams, NZ looks settled. They can beat anyone on their day. AUS was terrible in ODIs even with Smith and Warner in that last year or so. There is not one player in their team that can score big runs on a consistent basis now except for Finch. They still have a great bowling attack. They need a couple more players to step up. Pakistan seems to be the most unsettled at this point with a lot of inexperience. Fakhar, Babar, Sarfraz and to a certain extent Malik are set. The rest still need to establish and go through trial by fire with series against AUS, NZ and SA later this year. If they don't perform, there might not be enough time to bring in any new players.

As far as C teams go, SL seems to have a settled combo but are inexperienced. They might surprise a team or two once in a while. BD seems to have lost their bowling mojo after a great couple of years. Fizz has gone down in pace and Taskin has fallen away. Rubel and co. are very inconsistent. Sarkar is out of favor. Shabbir has regressed. They need a couple of batsmen to support their 4 stars Riyad, Tamim, Shakib and Mushy. They need a few changes and fast. Windies are duds without their T20 stars. WICB needs to change their rule of playing domestic 50 overs tournament to qualify for playing international ODIs. Otherwise, they will risk losing every game in the world cup. Forget about being a settled side or not, they are just not good enough without their stars. Afg has a very good team and will surprise a couple of teams. Their team is settled and very cohesive.

Is SA an A team?
 
Of the 3 teams, Indian order is most settled actually. LO games are won by top order and their top 3 are well settled. Besides, if I take top 7 spots with 5 batsman, one all rounder and a WK who can make the on batting merit, probably 6 spots are more or less settled for IND (Rahne, MS & Pandeya). Besides, very good backup in DK/Samson/Pant/Kishan if they need a WK. one spot is open between Raina, KL or a new face like M Pandey - that’s damn good ODI order.

Even with Warner & Smith, Aussie lineup isn’t settled yet. In recent times AUS had been hammered by SAF, IND and ENG which doesn’t reflect batting stability. In CT as well, they lost to Poms, would have lost to Kiwis as well, mostly for batting failure. And, their weakness isn’t any particular area (like top order or middle order), it’s actoss the length and they don’t have that tail now (at one point Faulkner, MJ, Strac batted at 8, 9, 10). Aussies will need couple of solid players at 4 & 5 even with Smith (Warner might not come back ever!!). As I mentioned in other thread, won’t mind Watson to come back for WC and bat at 4. Finch can open with Warner/Short/Khwaja/Lynn, and Smith at 3.

PAK is least vernarable in this regard because if team is to advance, it has to be from 50 bowling overs. To the advantage, from 7 to 10, this is probably the strongest PAK batting since 1999 WC. PAK must resist to carry experience with the squad - cashing on SRL, BD, WI, AFG ... doesn’t need experience. A No. 5 is the most critical demand if Sarfraz & Talat bats at 4 & 6. Umar & Maqsood really dissapointed, otherwise FZ, Babar, Hari, Sarfraz isn’t a bad top order.
 
These 3 teams are some of the contenders. But their batting is unsettled, compared to NZ, SA and ENG.

Though, these 3 teams have a good bowling line up.


Let's check the batting

AUSTRALIA:

Warner √
Finch √
Smith √
???
???
Maxwell (hit or miss)
Wade + (hit or miss)

INDIA:

Rohit (beast on FT)
Shikhar √
Kohli √
???
Dhoni + (Match loser, as he cannot keep up with the momentum of the top order)
Jadhav (Match loser with the bat)
Pandya (average with the ball)

PAKISTAN:

Fakhar (hit or miss)
Imam (yet to be proven)
Babar √
Hafeez (has been doing quite well, off late. Brings balance to the team with his bowling)
Malik √
Sarfraz √

I think Pakistan has the Settled top 7, then comes India and Australia at the last.

I agree that Jhadav needs to leave, how is the guy being persisted with, has a giant gut, and hasn't done anything of note.

Also want to see Rahul in the team, guy is the future and can play the moving ball, in form Rahul and Kohli will be a nightmare.

On Pak side: Hafeez is out, and more than likely that PCB tries to bring back Sharjeel once his 1 year ban is completed. Hussain Talat is making a case for himself as well, so the upcoming summer might change things more.
 
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