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Debutants used to be Pakistan's strength in days gone by. They'd bring fearlessness, flair and raw skill to a team of seasoned performers.

By debutant I mean someone who impresses from the get go and sustains it over the next few games.

Now all I see is India and to a certain extent Australia, coming up with astonishing new players - honed in the domestics.

Pakistan keeps throwing the likes of Musa, Naseem, Khushdil, Talat and whatnots into the mix but with little impact.

Other teams too, one of two notable exceptions, but largely low impact.

Which team prepares its players for the cauldron the best?
 
Any team which plays against pakistan.

In all seriousnes though i think as of recent india only. Newzealands debutants also have impressed.
 
Indian debutants like SKY, Ishan, Krunal (today), Sundar (in Australia tests), etc, have impressed one and all...
 
I've actually lost count in the last 3-4 months.

Started with Natarajan in T20is against Australia.

Gill, Siraj , Sundar and Axar in Tests.

SKY, Kishan and Krunal here against England in white ball cricket.

I hope our TM realises that "toil 3-4 years in the domestics and get ready for int'l cricket" is not always the right mantra.
 
IPL has become a super reliable barometer of success in international cricket. If a player can make an impact in IPL, it should be presumed he'd be as successful in international LOIs.
 
Truly India mey bohat talunt hai. They're definitely winning the upcoming Asia cup, Test championship, both WT20 and the ODI WC.
 
Pakistan

Imam Ul Haq and Abid Ali scored 100s on odi debut

Haider Ali scored a brilliant 50 on t20i debut

Fakhar's debut odi tournament was CT and he won his team final

Shadab Khan and Imad Wasim were both brilliant with the ball in their initial matches

Nauman Ali impressed with both bat and ball in his debut test series
 
Our debutants are doing well because there introduction has been long overdue.

If not for those absolute horrendous selections we would have had a chance to win WC19 or get closer on those England and SA tours. Wasted opportunities
 
Truly India mey bohat talunt hai. They're definitely winning the upcoming Asia cup, Test championship, both WT20 and the ODI WC.

Maaf kar do. That's trademarked to Pakistan. We aren't worthy.
 
Nowadays its NZ and India.

Both Devon Conway and Kyle Jamieson have taken to international cricket like a duck to water. They debuted that Duffy bowler against Pakistan and he looked really good too.

India has an incredible bench strength so they don't debut any tom, dick and harry. Whoever debuts is already battle hardened in domestic and comes on the back of superlative performances. So international cricket for them is just an extension of what they've been doing in the domestics.

Australia has regressed mightily. Guys like Cameron Green, Marcus Harris, Travis Head are a far cry from the talent that Australia used to unleash a decade back.

SA is in shambles. Less said the better.
 
Nowadays its NZ and India.

Both Devon Conway and Kyle Jamieson have taken to international cricket like a duck to water. They debuted that Duffy bowler against Pakistan and he looked really good too.

India has an incredible bench strength so they don't debut any tom, dick and harry. Whoever debuts is already battle hardened in domestic and comes on the back of superlative performances. So international cricket for them is just an extension of what they've been doing in the domestics.

Australia has regressed mightily. Guys like Cameron Green, Marcus Harris, Travis Head are a far cry from the talent that Australia used to unleash a decade back.

SA is in shambles. Less said the better.

Harsh on Cam Green. He's basically the next Jacques Kallis.
 
I've actually lost count in the last 3-4 months.

Started with Natarajan in T20is against Australia.

Gill, Siraj , Sundar and Axar in Tests.

SKY, Kishan and Krunal here against England in white ball cricket.

I hope our TM realises that "toil 3-4 years in the domestics and get ready for int'l cricket" is not always the right mantra.


Add Prasidh Krishna to the list now. :rabada2
 
Credit to Virat Kohli and team management for this..


Team management...maybe but Kohli? Not really if you ask me.

Siraj, Gill, Saini, Sundar all made their debuts under Rahane and were more out of desperation due to injuries (Ashwin, Umesh, Shami) and their predecessors failing spectacularly (Shaw)...


I think we should rather credit these youngsters instead of giving any undue praise to captain clueless.
 
Harsh on Cam Green. He's basically the next Jacques Kallis.

If he's touted as the next Jacques Kallis, then he's definitely not becoming the next Jacques Kallis. He'll do well just to reach the status of Shane Watson.
 
Perform in IPL or forget about T20Is. Performing in IPL can even get you a look into ODIs. IPL gives these players enough experience and exposure. They have coaches that can pin point your strengths and weaknesses and make u better. When the stakes are high, you tend to honor those and work on your game during the off season. You can't expect a coach in a Ranji or that Mushtaq league to delve into this.

The selection in test cricket is not that good with Rahane still lingering around with his once a year hundred riddled with dropped catches. Bowlers have been winning the games for India as batting has weakened considerably. Opening partnership is non-existent and middle order is weak.
 
Just check this out. 20 year old SRH player Abhishek Sharma interview. I don't think he's even in India A reckoning. Check the support system he has. You will know how IPL is giving exposure to these kids. There are English subtitles.

https://youtu.be/QSDARmEMihY
 
Just check this out. 20 year old SRH player Abhishek Sharma interview. I don't think he's even in India A reckoning. Check the support system he has. You will know how IPL is giving exposure to these kids. There are English subtitles.

https://youtu.be/QSDARmEMihY

If he keeps blasting Punjab to explosive starts in domestics and finishes well for SRH in IPL he may get in reckoning for India A. U19 WC players have advantage of name recognition in selection.

He has just started focusing more on his batting though. Was considered all rounder till recently. Still discovering himself. Long way to go.
 
Team management...maybe but Kohli? Not really if you ask me.

Siraj, Gill, Saini, Sundar all made their debuts under Rahane and were more out of desperation due to injuries (Ashwin, Umesh, Shami) and their predecessors failing spectacularly (Shaw)...


I think we should rather credit these youngsters instead of giving any undue praise to captain clueless.
This. We are winning despite Kohli not due to him.
 
Harsh on Cam Green. He's basically the next Jacques Kallis.

Next Kallis?

Kallis was a master of spin and swing bowling. Cam Green looks like a Stokes type batsman although not sure if his bowling has that game changing ability which Stokes has.
 
Next Kallis?

Kallis was a master of spin and swing bowling. Cam Green looks like a Stokes type batsman although not sure if his bowling has that game changing ability which Stokes has.

He's nothing like Stokes. Stokes is a much more flamboyant batsman capable of turning matches on its head with his hitting ability. Like the one at Headingley.

Green is more similar in temperament and style to Kallis than Stokes or Watson. He is very compact, can bat long innings and doesn't mind playing a lot of balls to get his runs. He faced trial by fire in his introduction against India, but even in that series, he showed glimpses of his talent. He already has a 250 to his name in Shield cricket and averages 60+ with the bat. He will become a specialist batsman who bowls a bit in future.
 
Green just needs some other teams apart from India and England to visit to get some confidence and show his talent. When is Pakistan and Sri lanka tour of Australia happening next ?
 
Since border gavaskar trophy

MCG Test: Gill (45 and 35 n.o.), Siraj (2/40 and 3/37)

SCG Test: Saini (2/65 and 2/54)

Gabba Test: Nataranjan (3/78 and 0/41), Sundar (3/89, 1/80, 62 and 22), Thakur (not technically a debut but pretty much, 3/94, 4/61, 67 and 2)

Chepauk 2nd Test: Axar (2/40 and 5/60)

2nd T20I: Ishan Kishan (56 off 32)

4th T20I: Suryakumar Yadav (not technically a debut but pretty much, 57 off 31)

1st ODI: Krunal (58 off 31 and 1/59), Prasidh (4/54)

This is seriously unprecedented. Most of these contributions weren't just good numbers in favourable match situations, they are genuinely moments that swung the momentum of these matches from tough situations against world class opponents.

This is the healthiest and strongest state Indian cricket has ever been. Let's not forget that there are others like Pant and Vihari, who are not debutants but still in the first couple of years of being internationals who have contributed massively in this period as well.

Impressive numbers
 
India by some distance.

It is a joy to watch Indian cricket today. The amount of talent, skill and application that their young players have is just incredible.
 
Team management...maybe but Kohli? Not really if you ask me.

Siraj, Gill, Saini, Sundar all made their debuts under Rahane and were more out of desperation due to injuries (Ashwin, Umesh, Shami) and their predecessors failing spectacularly (Shaw)...


I think we should rather credit these youngsters instead of giving any undue praise to captain clueless.

This very Captain Clueless encouraged fast bowlers after taking over the reins from Dhoni. All the Bumrahs, Sainis and Sirajs you talk about now weren't plucked out of a tree overnight on the way to Australia. It is due to these pack of fast bowlers that our performance outside India has improved.

Now people mention about Saini, Siraj and Sundar but Kohli was criticised for these very players saying that he picked RCB players.

But then again I can understand looking at things objectively is difficult when you look through a prism of bias.

Kohli is not without his wrongdoings. There have been a few glaring wrong selections. But then if you aren't ready for him to share the credit with the team management then theose wrongs too cannot be solely his. You cannot omit him from any credit and then blame him for all losses. That reeks hypocrisy and need to be more consistent in your rationale.
 
"For every spot we have two-three players available. Great signs for Indian cricket. Right now we are on the right path and have a big pool of players to choose from," said Kohli.
 
Team management...maybe but Kohli? Not really if you ask me.

Siraj, Gill, Saini, Sundar all made their debuts under Rahane and were more out of desperation due to injuries (Ashwin, Umesh, Shami) and their predecessors failing spectacularly (Shaw)...


I think we should rather credit these youngsters instead of giving any undue praise to captain clueless.

All are selected when Kohli was a captain.
Kohli was criticized for RCB trio selection, there are a many posts in this forum when initially they got picked for Aus tour.
Kohli was criticized when Sundar picked in T20's, criticized heavily for keep continuing Shardhu Thakur in LOI's.
I am sure you can find all these gems in old threads ;-)

Now Parsid Krishna, Nattu, SKY and Ishan al debuted under Kohli.
Yes, credit to a lot of people, Indian cricket and for the success can never be entitled to one man only but give credit where it's due.

When we win, its because of team management, coach and players.
When we loose, its because of Kohli.

You don't need to give credit if you don't like but you don't need to blame for everything.
Hypocrisy.
 
This very Captain Clueless encouraged fast bowlers after taking over the reins from Dhoni. All the Bumrahs, Sainis and Sirajs you talk about now weren't plucked out of a tree overnight on the way to Australia. It is due to these pack of fast bowlers that our performance outside India has improved.

Now people mention about Saini, Siraj and Sundar but Kohli was criticised for these very players saying that he picked RCB players.

But then again I can understand looking at things objectively is difficult when you look through a prism of bias.

Kohli is not without his wrongdoings. There have been a few glaring wrong selections. But then if you aren't ready for him to share the credit with the team management then theose wrongs too cannot be solely his. You cannot omit him from any credit and then blame him for all losses. That reeks hypocrisy and need to be more consistent in your rationale.


Relax. I've credited him enough for his role in improving our fast bowling stocks in Test cricket. But his clueless selections and tactics often outweigh that.

Dropping Pujara in England for Rahul, Rahane for Rohit in South Africa, playing two specialist spinners on a green lords wicket under overcast conditions, backing deadwood like Shankar, Jadhav, DK, Rayudu etc for the world cup when he has much better alternatives, not playing Shami in WC semi despite him being our best bowler in the tournament , not playing Gill in NZ and in the 36 ao game when he outperformed both Mayank and Shaw in the practise games, playing Saha over pant in home Tests, not dropping Dhawan from T20is...... I'll just stop here or else this could go on and on and on...

I'll say it again... Kohli has minimum/nothing to do with all these youngsters performing at this level. It's just that these guys are already battle hardened in the Indian domestic circuit and learnt how to handle the pressure and eyeballs in the IPL.
 
Technically guys like SKY, Kishan, Krunal made debuts in one format or the other. But they have been around for a while. Due to experience in the IPL, it is not a huge surprise they do well. But Sundar, Thakur in Tests is a complete surprise. Siraj in Tests is awesome though.
 
I think South Africa will be people’s choice in a couple of years. They have some seriously impressive players who are coming through and will debut soon.

But my answer right now would probably be India and New Zealand.
 
India and New Zealand really seem to be preparing their players well for international cricket these days. Some of the other nations it's hope and see but NZC and BCCI are on a different level at the moment.
 
While India is understandable for now due to demand and supply but NZ man -Kiwis contribution per capita to any field(sports,academic) in the world is remarkable!!!!
 
Relax. I've credited him enough for his role in improving our fast bowling stocks in Test cricket. But his clueless selections and tactics often outweigh that.

Dropping Pujara in England for Rahul, Rahane for Rohit in South Africa, playing two specialist spinners on a green lords wicket under overcast conditions, backing deadwood like Shankar, Jadhav, DK, Rayudu etc for the world cup when he has much better alternatives, not playing Shami in WC semi despite him being our best bowler in the tournament , not playing Gill in NZ and in the 36 ao game when he outperformed both Mayank and Shaw in the practise games, playing Saha over pant in home Tests, not dropping Dhawan from T20is...... I'll just stop here or else this could go on and on and on...

I'll say it again... Kohli has minimum/nothing to do with all these youngsters performing at this level. It's just that these guys are already battle hardened in the Indian domestic circuit and learnt how to handle the pressure and eyeballs in the IPL.

This is exactly what I am saying. You were ready to credit Team management but not Kohli but as far as selections go the responsibility is pushed solely on Kohli.

Also if you are putting the blame solely on him then are you saying Ravi and other coaches are just puppets. Moreover Rohit is a senior player and vice captain so do you think Rohit has absolutely no say in white ball team selections. If that is the case Rohit needs to step down immediately. In fact he wouldn't be fit to lead the team in future too for being a spineless dummy. The same goes for Rahane in tests.

As I said earlier Kohli has his share of failures but putting it solely on him isn't right and likewise credit too should be shared by everyone.

Do you think prior to 2014 Indian team would have gone for a win in the Gabba test situation. Its a NO. This attitude of going for win started in Aistralia series of 2014-15. Shastri and Kohli instilled this in the team.
 
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ngsters-for-every-format-101616642167093.html

'India have a machine to manufacture youngsters for every format': Inzamam-ul-Haq praises Krunal Pandya, Prasidh Krishna

Former Pakistan captain Inzamam-ul-Haq said India have set-up a machine to manufacture youngsters for every format who turn up and give impactful performances in their first match in international cricket. He also praised Krunal Pandya and Prasidh Krishna. After match-changing performances by debutants Krunal Pandya and Prasidh Krishna in India’s 66-run win in the first ODI against England, former Pakistan captain Inzamam-ul-Haq said India have set-up a machine to manufacture youngsters for every format who turn up and give impactful performances in their first match in international cricket.

“I think India have set up some sort of machine to manufacture new players. There were two debutants even today. This gives a clear signal to the senior cricketers that you have to perform well to stay in the side,” Inzamam said in his YouTube channel.

Inzamam said he has been noticing this trend of match-winning contributions by the youngsters of India since the Australia series which has continued even in the current England series.

“I’m noticing since the Australia series that in every match or format, a youngster turns up and gives outstanding performance. Seniors have their role but when juniors perform like this then it speaks a lot about the side. India’s performance has been this good in the last six months because of their youngsters,” said Inzamam.

In the last six months, the likes of Shubman Gill, Axar Patel, Suryakumar Yadav, Krunal Pandya, Ishan Kishan, Washington Sundar, Navdeep Saini, Prasidh Krishna, T Natarajan have left their mark in the first match/series that they have played for India.

After Suryakumar Yadav and Ishan Kishan proved their mettle in T20Is against England, Krunal Pandya and Prasidh Krishna stole the show in the first ODI. The senior Pandya scored the fastest fifty by a debutant (off 26 balls) and remained unbeaten on 58 off 31 balls in the Pune ODI. Inzamam called Krunal’s unbroken 112-run sixth wicket partnership with KL Rahul (62*) the turning point of the first ODI which made a difference of about 30 runs to India’s eventual total of 317 for 5.

“The difference that happened in the match was because of KL Rahul and Krunal Pandya. That was the turning point. If India had scored 270-280 then England would have chased it but that 30 runs difference came in the total because of Krunal Pandya, who scored 58 off 31 balls. That’s why I’m saying that there’s a machine in India now,” Inzamam added.

The Pakistan great did not forget to praise fast bowler Prasidh Krishna, who picked up 4 for 54 on his debut.

“And when India needed wickets, this young boy Krishna, who was playing his first match picked up four wickets. Again, I’d say that India have found a machine to produce players for every format,” he said.

Inzamam highlighted that the youngsters of India are doing a good job in keeping the senior members of the side on their toes.

“When the youngsters of the team perform so well then it leaves no choice for the seniors to up their level.

“The kind of cricket, the quality if cricket that India are playing nowadays, they are making it look easy against an opposition like England. It was looking like it’ll be tough for India after England’s opening partnership but later on Indian bowlers didn’t allow them the space to breathe,” Inzamam said.

India will face England in the second ODI in Pune in Friday.
 
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Yet another Pakistani debutant, Danish Aziz, fails to impress.

All eyes will be on him in the next game and if he fails to fire, it will be a long road for him.

Just didn't look ready.
 
Yet another Pakistani debutant, Danish Aziz, fails to impress.

All eyes will be on him in the next game and if he fails to fire, it will be a long road for him.

Just didn't look ready.

I think he or any other player that is given ago should be given 5 games am not a fan of giving someone 1 or 2 games.but asif ali has been loads of chances and has shown nothing so he should get limited opportunities
 
Pakistan has been giving international caps away like there is no tomorrow.

Some terrible cricketers have been awarded the green cap of late.
 
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