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White people in the UK are almost twice as likely to hold extremist views as British people of Pakistani descent, a new study suggests.

Researchers analysed the results of a survey in which 618 men and women were asked whether they condoned actions including suicide bombings and terror attacks as a “form of political protest” or way to “fight injustices”. A total of 15% of the white respondents expressed sympathy for such extreme action, compared with 8% of those with Pakistani heritage.

When classed by religion, 18% of Christians and 8% of Muslims expressed at least some sympathy for hypothetical acts of terrorism, while 59% of Christians and 68% of Muslims condemned them, The Independent reports.

All of the respondents live in the English towns of Blackburn, Darwen, Bradford and Luton, and both the white and Pakistani-origin groups included some people who were born in Britain and some who were migrants, according to a newly published paper on the study in the British Journal of Psychiatry.

The researchers found that native-born Brits were more than twice as likely to condone terrorism in some circumstances as those born abroad.

“British counterterrorism policy has had an undue focus on Islamic fundamentalism, with white British extremism normally considered as a lesser option,” said lead researcher Professor Kam Bhui, from Queen Mary University of London.

But “this research suggests that a focus on tackling Islamic fundamentalism is flawed and we need to consider extremism more generally”, he continued.

The findings should “remind us that our instinctive tendency to view outsiders as potentially dangerous can blind us to home-grown threats”, agrees Tom Jacobs in an article for US-based progressive magazine Pacific Standard.

Dr Clive Gabay, a senior lecturer in international politics at Queen Mary, added: “These findings dovetail with other research that suggests that large numbers of those who voted in favour of leaving the European Union were rural and suburban middle-class voters with racist and prejudicial attitudes towards migrants driven by socio-economic anxieties.”

The new study “also found people who were depressed, single or younger were more likely to hold extremist views than those who are happy, married or older”, says the i news site.

Bhui said the higher incidence of extremist sympathies among those suffering depression, anxiety and PTSD “shows us how important it is to support people with mental health issues, who may be less able to manage radicalising messages, and could end up adopting extremist sympathies”.

Researchers have “called for the new study to be used by authorities working to stop radicalisation before it progresses to terrorism, amid a review of the Government’s Prevent strategy”, says The Independent.

Official statistics published last week showed that 43% of suspected terrorists arrested are white, compared with 32% who are Asian.

A Home Office spokesperson said: “Through the Government’s counter-extremism strategy, we are taking a comprehensive approach to tackling all forms of extremism. We have been clear that we will not tolerate any group or individual that spreads hate by demonising those of other faiths or ethnicities, or stokes fears within our communities.”
 
White Christian far right facism is a real threat, bigger than any other dangerous ideology.

Hitler was white European and Chruchill was British. Now we have people voting in extremists such as Trump and others.

British white people are mostly very smart and wont fall for this hate and divide but a large perecentage are thick as planks and have racial hatred inside them.
 
I heard that there are more Prevent referrals regarding far right white people than supposed jihadis now.
 
I heard that there are more Prevent referrals regarding far right white people than supposed jihadis now.

Musims are near 2 Billion, having their nations controlled, invaded, destroyed ever since WW1 yet only a very very small percentage go out to hurt innocent people. On the other hand, white nations and white people have been living a nice comfy life yet there is a still hatred amongst a certain minority against anyone foriegn. History has shown such people are a real and strong danger to the world.

However the NZ prime minister the people of NZ have shown they are very very special human beings. I wish all leaders of western white nations were like this.
 
Musims are near 2 Billion, having their nations controlled, invaded, destroyed ever since WW1 yet only a very very small percentage go out to hurt innocent people. On the other hand, white nations and white people have been living a nice comfy life yet there is a still hatred amongst a certain minority against anyone foriegn. History has shown such people are a real and strong danger to the world.

However the NZ prime minister the people of NZ have shown they are very very special human beings. I wish all leaders of western white nations were like this.

NZ is barely a white nation though, they have a huge polynesian minority + Asians and far removed from other western countries.
 
NZ is barely a white nation though, they have a huge polynesian minority + Asians and far removed from other western countries.

Sure but still they have a 3/4 majority of white people with European roots. Australia is their neighbour but both nations seem worlds apart, with one being open, tolerant and having a great leader.
 
They just use Islam and Muslims as a means to show their hatred for coloured people as a whole. Most Hindu's and Sikh's seem to think they are only against Muslim's which is not true. As a Muslim I have never felt the need for Hindu or Sikh support anyway. Allah is enough for me. I am Muslim because I want to be.
 
Musims are near 2 Billion, having their nations controlled, invaded, destroyed ever since WW1 yet only a very very small percentage go out to hurt innocent people. On the other hand, white nations and white people have been living a nice comfy life yet there is a still hatred amongst a certain minority against anyone foriegn. History has shown such people are a real and strong danger to the world.

However the NZ prime minister the people of NZ have shown they are very very special human beings. I wish all leaders of western white nations were like this.

Looking round the world over the last thirty years reveals that a Muslim is at more risk of being killed by another type of Muslim than by a white supremacist terrorist.

Islamophobia in the U.K. began with 9/11 and was amplified by 7/7. It was amplified further since 2008 and austerity, Trump and Brexit. I warned this board about the rise of fascism two years ago and was laughed at. Now the thing for decent, loving white people to do is challenge all racist, Islamophobic, antisemitic and homophobic talk and if necessary refer it to Prevent.
 
Looking round the world over the last thirty years reveals that a Muslim is at more risk of being killed by another type of Muslim than by a white supremacist terrorist.

Islamophobia in the U.K. began with 9/11 and was amplified by 7/7. It was amplified further since 2008 and austerity, Trump and Brexit. I warned this board about the rise of fascism two years ago and was laughed at. Now the thing for decent, loving white people to do is challenge all racist, Islamophobic, antisemitic and homophobic talk and if necessary refer it to Prevent.

I remember your words back in 2016 and it was also my fear...
Everything is unfolding as you said...
 
I remember your words back in 2016 and it was also my fear...
Everything is unfolding as you said...

My mum used to say this once in a while to us as kids, that it was a privilege to live here, if it all went bad we could be forced out. We thought these were just the cute ramblings of a woman who went through partition as a young child, never thought for one minute this sort of thing could ever happen here.

I still don't really, but now the certainty isn't there like it was.
 
I think Islamophobia has very little to do with extreme views in this context, I believe Austerity has played are far greater role.
 
I think Islamophobia has very little to do with extreme views in this context, I believe Austerity has played are far greater role.

Every time people are in financial hardship, violence against minorities follows as the majority look for someone to blame. Panic of 1837, 1930s Great Depression, 2010 Great Recession.
 
What is the reason for the rise of Right wing extremist white people in Britain? Were they present before the mass immigration to Britain? Like in 1700's and 1600's?
 
I remember your words back in 2016 and it was also my fear...
Everything is unfolding as you said...

At the Goddard court appearance, his supporters have refused to clear the court and some are standing in the dock with him. The judge has walked out.

Surely they are all in contempt?

This is what I have been warning about. They have no respect for the rule of law and they are growing in number.

Fascism stalks our land once more.
 
What is the reason for the rise of Right wing extremist white people in Britain? Were they present before the mass immigration to Britain? Like in 1700's and 1600's?

The 2008 crash has a lot to do with it, plus more and more money and power in fewer and fewer hands, plus several jihadi terror attacks, plus widespread belief that accusations of racism prevent paedophile Asian gangs being brought to trial, plus an explosion in conspiracy sites claiming “white genocide”, plus social media algorithms that draw readers to more and more of the same, plus Trump demonising Others, plus no doubt the dead hand of the Kremlin inflitrating far right and far left groups and stirring trouble to divide us....

....but most of all the growing equality agenda eroding white male privilege. To those used to having an advantage they did not earn, equality feels like persecution.
 
The 2008 crash has a lot to do with it, plus more and more money and power in fewer and fewer hands, plus several jihadi terror attacks, plus widespread belief that accusations of racism prevent paedophile Asian gangs being brought to trial, plus an explosion in conspiracy sites claiming “white genocide”, plus social media algorithms that draw readers to more and more of the same, plus Trump demonising Others, plus no doubt the dead hand of the Kremlin inflitrating far right and far left groups and stirring trouble to divide us....

....but most of all the growing equality agenda eroding white male privilege. To those used to having an advantage they did not earn, equality feels like persecution.

So the increase in Extreme Views among native Brits is due to the mass immigration from South Asia and Africa. When you start looking like a minority in your own land, it leads to xenophobic feelings and which in turn gives birth to extremist views.
 
So the increase in Extreme Views among native Brits is due to the mass immigration from South Asia and Africa. When you start looking like a minority in your own land, it leads to xenophobic feelings and which in turn gives birth to extremist views.

Not what I said. Too simple. There are many factors as I have outlined.

We can all get alone fine. In the eighties I lived in a majority-Pakistani part of Bradford and there was no trouble at all, even during the Thatcher cutback years.
 
The 2008 crash has a lot to do with it, plus more and more money and power in fewer and fewer hands, plus several jihadi terror attacks, plus widespread belief that accusations of racism prevent paedophile Asian gangs being brought to trial, plus an explosion in conspiracy sites claiming “white genocide”, plus social media algorithms that draw readers to more and more of the same, plus Trump demonising Others, plus no doubt the dead hand of the Kremlin inflitrating far right and far left groups and stirring trouble to divide us....

....but most of all the growing equality agenda eroding white male privilege. To those used to having an advantage they did not earn, equality feels like persecution.

Yes pretty much this is the case.
 
Looking round the world over the last thirty years reveals that a Muslim is at more risk of being killed by another type of Muslim than by a white supremacist terrorist.

Islamophobia in the U.K. began with 9/11 and was amplified by 7/7. It was amplified further since 2008 and austerity, Trump and Brexit. I warned this board about the rise of fascism two years ago and was laughed at. Now the thing for decent, loving white people to do is challenge all racist, Islamophobic, antisemitic and homophobic talk and if necessary refer it to Prevent.

Have you looked around Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Palestine, Lebanon? Recent landmark research suggests due to the wars by Nato 4 million peopole have been killed. This argument is something that Britain first or Tommy Robinson come up, you should do much better Robert.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opini...rn-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990

For this to take place, Islamaphobia was spread like wildfire on a daily basis by western governments and their media.
 
Yes I can believe that, and the numbers sound quite accurate as well.

I would estimate that 8-10% of British Muslims hold extremist views, whereas in the majority white population it would be 15% at least, and possibly up to 20% from what I’ve seen.

Shameful - particularly in the latter instance.
 
Have you looked around Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Palestine, Lebanon? Recent landmark research suggests due to the wars by Nato 4 million peopole have been killed. This argument is something that Britain first or Tommy Robinson come up, you should do much better Robert.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opini...rn-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990

For this to take place, Islamaphobia was spread like wildfire on a daily basis by western governments and their media.

I am doing better because I am sticking to straight lines of debate regarding the issue of white supremacy terrorists and jihadi terrorists, while you are engaging in whattabouttery regarding the separate issue of actions of governments.
 
I am doing better because I am sticking to straight lines of debate regarding the issue of white supremacy terrorists and jihadi terrorists, while you are engaging in whattabouttery regarding the separate issue of actions of governments.

The elephant in the room is the current government has many members which hold views similar to white supremacy. You said Boris is better than Corbyn, a man who said black people have water melon smiles and women wearing the Burka are like letterboxes. How is this language any different to the KKK, BNP or National front?
 
Sure but still they have a 3/4 majority of white people with European roots. Australia is their neighbour but both nations seem worlds apart, with one being open, tolerant and having a great leader.

Australia isn’t as tolerant as you think. There are documentaries on this subject on YT.

It’s in human nature to have superiority complex toward minority groups when you are in majority. Whites are treated poorly in Afiricans countries where they are the minority for example.
 
Australia isn’t as tolerant as you think. There are documentaries on this subject on YT.

It’s in human nature to have superiority complex toward minority groups when you are in majority. Whites are treated poorly in Afiricans countries where they are the minority for example.

I think he was talking about New Zealand being tolerant. Everyone knows Australia is not so much.
 
I think he was talking about New Zealand being tolerant. Everyone knows Australia is not so much.

being tolerant is not a virtue. You tolerate something you don't like. Question must be asked why don't they like it in the first place.
 
being tolerant is not a virtue. You tolerate something you don't like. Question must be asked why don't they like it in the first place.

Sometimes they don't like anything new and strange. A couple of generations ago Brits were suspicious of French cooking, and thought garlic was some evil smelling ingredient, now they use it in every day cooking.
 
Sometimes they don't like anything new and strange. A couple of generations ago Brits were suspicious of French cooking, and thought garlic was some evil smelling ingredient, now they use it in every day cooking.

Tolerance to food or opinion is separate. But to tolerate people from other religions and cultures, means there is something wrong with these tolerant people. Anyone who says he is tolerant of other cultures and religions should be ashamed of himself.
 
The elephant in the room is the current government has many members which hold views similar to white supremacy. You said Boris is better than Corbyn, a man who said black people have water melon smiles and women wearing the Burka are like letterboxes. How is this language any different to the KKK, BNP or National front?

Well, it’s different because Johnson is not calling for hanging or forced repatriations.

However, he is deliberately playing to the xenophobia in his listeners. It’s cynical and disgusting. Mrs Robert said she would rather deal with overt racists like the BNP than someone like Johnson, who will smile and buffoon about and then when your guard is down do something to undermine you.

Please don’t twist my words. I wrote that Johnson has stronger leadership / management skills than Corbyn, not that he is “better”. I voted for Livingstone both times BTW.

Yes of course this sort of language by senior government figures about letterboxes translates into more Islamophobia which translates into more violence against Muslims. I don’t believe it is necessarily connected to decisions by previous governments to attack Muslim countries, I think that’s coincidental.
 
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