White US army veteran killed random black man with a sword after deciding to commit racist attack

[Muhammad10]

A white US army veteran killed a man in New York after travelling there specifically to kill black people, according to police.

James Harris Jackson chose a man at random and killed him with a sword, according to police. The attack was intended as "an assault" on the city's inclusiveness and diversity, authorities said.

The man from Baltimore turned himself in at a Times Square police station, about 25 hours after he had killed Timothy Caughman, who had staggered into a precinct bleeding to death.

"I'm the person that you're looking for," Jackson told police, according to Assistant Chief William Aubrey.

Jackson told police that he had been harbouring feelings of hatred towards black men for at least 10 years after he was arrested on suspicion of murder.

He had travelled to New York before the weekend and had been staying in a Manhattan hotel in anticipation of the attack, police said.

"The reason he picked New York is because it is the media capital of the world and he wanted to make a statement," Mr Aubrey said.

Jackson wandered the streets in a long black coat, carrying a 26-inch sword. He then encountered Mr Caughman, who was collecting bottles from rubbish bins, according to police.

He was stabbed repeatedly in the chest and back, apparently at random.

Mr Caughman was 66 years old and lived nearby. He was taken to hospital by police after he arrived at the station, and later died in hospital from his wounds.

Mr Caughman had an active Twitter account, on which he wrote about being an autograph collector and posted about the films and music that he was interested in. Recent tweets shared his enthusiasm for John Lennon, Chuck Berry and St Patrick’s day writing.

Investigators say that Jackson appeared to have been considering other attacks. But he surrendered after he realised that his photo was being passed around in media reports.

He may even have attempted an attack earlier on, according to authorities. Video surveillance showed him walking purposefully towards a black man but not attacking him.

The attack took place on the same day as the incident in Westminster, in the UK. The New York Police Department has seen increased security and the introduction of "heavy weapons" to UK-related locations in the city.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...hy-caughman-sword-racist-attack-a7645736.html

 

[Yossarian]

No tweet from Trump yet.

Jackson wandered the streets in a long black coat, carrying a 26-inch sword. He then encountered Mr Caughman, who was collecting bottles from rubbish bins, according to police.

The victim will probably be accused of thieving, and the murderer will be depicted as a 'concerned citizen who prevented a crime from taking place'

 

[Muhammad10]

No tweet from Trump yet.

The victim will probably be accused of thieving, and the murderer will be depicted as a 'concerned citizen who prevented a crime from taking place'

Various media outlets eagerly referred to the perpetrator as well dressed/sharply attired, and at least one of the media outlets brought up the victim's past criminal history in a bid to dehumanise him and indirectly justify the despicable actions of this deplorable white supremacist.

 

[PakLFC]

I see the perpetrator's religion has not been mentioned here. This is because he was not a Muslim.

 

[Markhor]

No tweets from Trump, the far-right, or self-righteous armchair pundits about how. "we need to discuss the existence of these people in our society" - let's just move along here.

 

[Varun]

I see the perpetrator's religion has not been mentioned here. This is because he was not a Muslim.

It takes two hands to clap on this one. The perpetrator likely identified himself as American first, his religion came later. He didn't lose any sleep over crimes and attacks on Christians in Croatia or South Africa.

Not the case with Muslim citizens, who by their own admission are Muslim first and foremost, Pakistani/Algerian/Indonesian second. They're infinitely easier to paint with a broad brush because of their own assembling under this banner.

Of course, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

 

[shaykh]

White supremacists are certainly getting emboldened under Trump ...and it seems attacks like this are on the increase ...

As for his religion not being mentioned why should it ...it's not relevant ...White supremacy ideology isn't just a Christian phenomena ...

Jihadist terrorism ...the religion of the perpetrators are obviously relevant ...

 

[Slog]

It takes two hands to clap on this one. The perpetrator likely identified himself as American first, his religion came later. He didn't lose any sleep over crimes and attacks on Christians in Croatia or South Africa.

Not the case with Muslim citizens, who by their own admission are Muslim first and foremost, Pakistani/Algerian/Indonesian second. They're infinitely easier to paint with a broad brush because of their own assembling under this banner.

Of course, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

While generalizing this is a good point

 

[ExpressPacer]

It takes two hands to clap on this one. The perpetrator likely identified himself as American first, his religion came later. He didn't lose any sleep over crimes and attacks on Christians in Croatia or South Africa.

Not the case with Muslim citizens, who by their own admission are Muslim first and foremost, Pakistani/Algerian/Indonesian second. They're infinitely easier to paint with a broad brush because of their own assembling under this banner.

Of course, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

Dont know about the Western Muslim's but many in Pakistan would be Pakistani first.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It takes two hands to clap on this one. The perpetrator likely identified himself as American first, his religion came later. He didn't lose any sleep over crimes and attacks on Christians in Croatia or South Africa.

Not the case with Muslim citizens, who by their own admission are Muslim first and foremost, Pakistani/Algerian/Indonesian second. They're infinitely easier to paint with a broad brush because of their own assembling under this banner.

Of course, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

You are mistaken. If that was the case when paedophilia is linked to Islam during the Rochdale grooming scandal then every Muslim would own it no problem. If you want to argue that in fact it wasn't linked to Islam but in fact was linked to Pakistanis instead, then the vast majority of Pakistanis would own it. Of course in reality both Muslim and Pakistanis were linked, hence the neo-Nazi decision to use that as a major tool in their ideological war on ethnic minorities.

 

[shaykh]

You are mistaken. If that was the case when paedophilia is linked to Islam during the Rochdale grooming scandal then every Muslim would own it no problem. If you want to argue that in fact it wasn't linked to Islam but in fact was linked to Pakistanis instead, then the vast majority of Pakistanis would own it. Of course in reality both Muslim and Pakistanis were linked, hence the neo-Nazi decision to use that as a major tool in their ideological war on ethnic minorities.

Linking Islam to the Rochdale gangs was obviously incorrect and bigoted ...Linking it to Westminster is what is correct because it is clearly an example of islamist terrorism ...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Linking Islam to the Rochdale gangs was obviously incorrect and bigoted ...Linking it to Westminster is what is correct because it is clearly an example of islamist terrorism ...

I agree, the point is one size doesn't fit all, so we should be careful about throwing around dangerous generalities. The part I disagreed with was "Muslim citizens, who by their own admission are Muslim first and foremost, Pakistani/Algerian/Indonesian second". While there are obviously some Muslims who might feel this way, I would have thought it was pretty obvious just from reading this board that there are probably far more who don't.

 

[Adil_94]

People saying oh why isnt his religion mentioned it depends what his motivation was. Most likely he was a white supremacist neo nazi which isnt to do with his religious identity but his racist ultra nationalistic views.

For example when theres Abortion clinics that are bombed or shot up by Christian fundamentalists in America they are called Christian fundamentalist extremist.

Same way when an Islamist carries out an attack that has links to ISIS or Al Qaeda then they it will be called an Islamist attack.

 

[Syed1]

A white guy did it.. so its ok. Let's all move on... The poor chap must be just having a bad day. Nothing to see here folks.

 

[Adil_94]

The issue is when people use cases of Pakistani drug dealers or groomers and then call them Islamic because they happen to be of Muslim faith like a lot of far right wingers do.

since when is grooming young girls plying them with drugs and alcohol anything Islamic at all.

Or selling weed or doing armed robbery all these things are unislamic and the religion of the perpetrator being mentioned is just done to whip up anti-Muslim hysteria.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The issue is when people use cases of Pakistani drug dealers or groomers and then call them Islamic because they happen to be of Muslim faith like a lot of far right wingers do.

since when is grooming young girls plying them with drugs and alcohol anything Islamic at all.

Or selling weed or doing armed robbery all these things are unislamic and the religion of the perpetrator being mentioned is just done to whip up anti-Muslim hysteria.

Well that is the point I was alluding to. paedophilia and drug running doesn't really have a race or religion, but there would be outrage if we saw headlines tarring the white or Christian communities every time one of them committed an offence of this sort in the UK. I think it is far easier to do to minorities, and this is probably true in many parts of the world, including India, Pakistan, US, Burma, Australia, etc.

 

[s28]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One in three terror suspects in the UK is white, as far-right extremism grows <a href="https://t.co/41u8SnfGdS">https://t.co/41u8SnfGdS</a></p>— The Independent (@Independent) <a href="https://twitter.com/Independent/status/840485205584539650">11 March 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Adil_94]

[MENTION=107620]s28[/MENTION] and what is this tryin to prove 87 % of the U.Ks population is White according to the 2011 census. if 33% of all terror suspects are white that means 67% are non-white and when you consider non whites make up 13% of the U.K population that is really bad. Especially if lets say 50% of people on terror watchlists its probably higher than that are from a Muslim background when Muslims only make up 5% of the U.K population.

 

[Slog]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One in three terror suspects in the UK is white, as far-right extremism grows <a href="https://t.co/41u8SnfGdS">https://t.co/41u8SnfGdS</a></p>— The Independent (@Independent) <a href="https://twitter.com/Independent/status/840485205584539650">11 March 2017</a></blockquote>
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So 33% of terrorist suspects are from a group which is 90% of the population. Not bad!

 

[shaykh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One in three terror suspects in the UK is white, as far-right extremism grows <a href="https://t.co/41u8SnfGdS">https://t.co/41u8SnfGdS</a></p>— The Independent (@Independent) <a href="https://twitter.com/Independent/status/840485205584539650">11 March 2017</a></blockquote>
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Not a strong argument...Britain is 82% white yet has only 35% of terror suspects...91/260...

Asian people have 125...whilst only being 4.5% of the total population...thats 48% of terror suspects...a serious disproportion...

The article itself doesn't account for the identity of the rest...black converts for example...so the number could be even higher...

While white extremism is on the rise...the stats don't help the point you're trying to make...

 

[PakLFC]

It takes two hands to clap on this one. The perpetrator likely identified himself as American first, his religion came later. He didn't lose any sleep over crimes and attacks on Christians in Croatia or South Africa.

Not the case with Muslim citizens, who by their own admission are Muslim first and foremost, Pakistani/Algerian/Indonesian second. They're infinitely easier to paint with a broad brush because of their own assembling under this banner.

Of course, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

That is no true at all. It is the media that tells us they are Muslim first and foremost even though the vast majority never claim anything like that at all. That is the point that the term Muslim is made clear repeatedly so to make a psychological impact on the reader as if to suggest that Islam is to blame. By the way it is Yogi Adityanath who is Hindu first and foremost as well often caught make threats to even dead Indian Muslim ladies. That is how disgusting a man he is. I have not seen the perpetrator of the recent London attack say anywhere that he was carrying out the murders in the name of Islam until the media forces it down our friggin' throats!

 

[Abdullah719]

Neo-Nazi fears stabbing of black man may lead to ‘unfair’ discrimination against white supremacists

White supremacist Andrew Anglin, founder of the neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer, condemned the racially-motivated murder of a black man in New York City, arguing it “does not represent White Supremacy” and warning the attack could lead to unfair discrimination against white supremacists.

Monday, James Jackson—a white Army veteran from Baltimore who authorities say visited New York City with the intent to stalk and kill black men—fatally stabbed Timothy Caughman (pictured below), a bottle collector who lived in transitional housing. The New York Daily News reports Jackson is a member of a well-known hate group in Maryland who espouse racist views for more than a decade.

In a letter Thursday, Anglin said “white supremacists are under no obligation to apologize for this attack.”

“White Supremacy is a religion of peace, and the overwhelming majority of White Supremacists are peaceful members of society who do not agree with stabbing random black people with swords,” he wrote. “The attack has nothing at all to do with the religion of White Supremacy.”

Anglin also warned fellow white supremacists will “be subject to unfair scrutiny and prejudice” as a result of this attack, arguing people who dress or look like neo-Nazis “will be unfairly discriminated against.”

“It’s time for society to rally around White Supremacists, and show that we don’t blame them for the single act of someone who wrongly used their beliefs for evil,” he said.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/neo...ir-discrimination-against-white-supremacists/

 

[Abdullah719]

White supremacist Andrew Anglin, founder of the neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer, condemned the racially-motivated murder of a black man in New York City, arguing it “does not represent White Supremacy” and warning the attack could lead to unfair discrimination against white supremacists.

Monday, James Jackson—a white Army veteran from Baltimore who authorities say visited New York City with the intent to stalk and kill black men—fatally stabbed Timothy Caughman (pictured below), a bottle collector who lived in transitional housing. The New York Daily News reports Jackson is a member of a well-known hate group in Maryland who espouse racist views for more than a decade.

In a letter Thursday, Anglin said “white supremacists are under no obligation to apologize for this attack.”

“White Supremacy is a religion of peace, and the overwhelming majority of White Supremacists are peaceful members of society who do not agree with stabbing random black people with swords,” he wrote. “The attack has nothing at all to do with the religion of White Supremacy.”

Anglin also warned fellow white supremacists will “be subject to unfair scrutiny and prejudice” as a result of this attack, arguing people who dress or look like neo-Nazis “will be unfairly discriminated against.”

“It’s time for society to rally around White Supremacists, and show that we don’t blame them for the single act of someone who wrongly used their beliefs for evil,” he said.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/neo...ir-discrimination-against-white-supremacists/

This isn't a satire article....

 

[Saeed]

Not a strong argument...Britain is 82% white yet has only 35% of terror suspects...91/260...

Asian people have 125...whilst only being 4.5% of the total population...thats 48% of terror suspects...a serious disproportion...

The article itself doesn't account for the identity of the rest...black converts for example...so the number could be even higher...

While white extremism is on the rise...the stats don't help the point you're trying to make...

Just wondering what are your thoughts on converts leaning towards extremism? Extremism exists in born Muslims too but converts seem extremely bitter about everything. As if they are trying to prove something.

 

[Varun]

You are mistaken. If that was the case when paedophilia is linked to Islam during the Rochdale grooming scandal then every Muslim would own it no problem. If you want to argue that in fact it wasn't linked to Islam but in fact was linked to Pakistanis instead, then the vast majority of Pakistanis would own it. Of course in reality both Muslim and Pakistanis were linked, hence the neo-Nazi decision to use that as a major tool in their ideological war on ethnic minorities.

I haven't followed the incident in question and can't comment.

 

[bleaf27]

I see the perpetrator's religion has not been mentioned here. This is because he was not a Muslim.

Yup because his motivation wasn't religion ....it was race so it was mentioned he was "white" , if had done this for religious extremism , religion would have been mentioned.

 

[PakLFC]

Yup because his motivation wasn't religion ....it was race so it was mentioned he was "white" , if had done this for religious extremism , religion would have been mentioned.

By the same token many Muslim's who kill are only that by name. It is the media who keep telling us that they murdered in the name of Islam. Many white killers are Christian fanatics yet their faith is never questioned.

 

[bleaf27]

By the same token many Muslim's who kill are only that by name. It is the media who keep telling us that they murdered in the name of Islam. Many white killers are Christian fanatics yet their faith is never questioned.

But the Muslim's who kill are killing in the name of their religion - that's what their belief is - you may not agree to it , you may not understand their reasoning but to them killing in the name of Islam is justified and they don't hide it , similarly, this idiot who killed in the name of Race - not every white man may agree with his reasoning and belief but this guy believes in his cause .

 

[PakLFC]

But the Muslim's who kill are killing in the name of their religion - that's what their belief is - you may not agree to it , you may not understand their reasoning but to them killing in the name of Islam is justified and they don't hide it , similarly, this idiot who killed in the name of Race - not every white man may agree with his reasoning and belief but this guy believes in his cause .

That is what the media tells us that they are killing for Islam. It is true that many are indeed brainwashed yet the same also holds true for people off other religion's as well. The point I am making is that when people of other religions kill the media tells us that they had "psychological problems" or rubbish like that when it is not always true. On the other hand when the killer has a Muslim sounding name Islam is always attacked as being the reason behind it. No denying that there are double standards and great hypocrisy when it comes to Muslim's and non-Muslim's committing the same crime.

 

[bleaf27]

That is what the media tells us that they are killing for Islam. It is true that many are indeed brainwashed yet the same also holds true for people off other religion's as well. The point I am making is that when people of other religions kill the media tells us that they had "psychological problems" or rubbish like that when it is not always true. On the other hand when the killer has a Muslim sounding name Islam is always attacked as being the reason behind it. No denying that there are double standards and great hypocrisy when it comes to Muslim's and non-Muslim's committing the same crime.

This is what Media tells us ?
So basically when some of the extemists yell "AllahuAkbar" - that is computer generated ?
When they find extremist agenda in their homes or Social Network , that is False ?
I think you are generalizing , do you really think that everytime a Muslim in the world commits a crime , It is on news and religion is made a prominent point ? - That is highly incorrect .
If a Muslim robs a bank / steals / assault / shop lift / battery charge / sexual misconduct - Is it always on the news ? Ofcourse it's not !
Look at the statistics of all crimes committed in general my Muslims world allover and how many made the news ? Just the ones which are done with an effect to terrorize other people and in the name of religion as indicated by the Killer themselves - Not going by what the mass sentiment is but If someone does yell "AllahuAkbar" and has been found to gravivtate towards Radical Islam previous to the incident - ofcourse you will know why.

 

[PakLFC]

This is what Media tells us ?
So basically when some of the extemists yell "AllahuAkbar" - that is computer generated ?
When they find extremist agenda in their homes or Social Network , that is False ?
I think you are generalizing , do you really think that everytime a Muslim in the world commits a crime , It is on news and religion is made a prominent point ? - That is highly incorrect .
If a Muslim robs a bank / steals / assault / shop lift / battery charge / sexual misconduct - Is it always on the news ? Ofcourse it's not !
Look at the statistics of all crimes committed in general my Muslims world allover and how many made the news ? Just the ones which are done with an effect to terrorize other people and in the name of religion as indicated by the Killer themselves - Not going by what the mass sentiment is but If someone does yell "AllahuAkbar" and has been found to gravivtate towards Radical Islam previous to the incident - ofcourse you will know why.

How do you know the one chanting "Allahu Akber" is a Muslim when even non Muslim's are well aware of it's meaning. It is so very easy now to do such a thing simply to blame it on Muslim people. What about Christian Trump who wants more bloodshed in the Middle East, why does the media never point out his religious belief?? Yes when a Muslim is guilty of any crime covered by the press his religious belief is highlighted more then that of a non-Muslim, there is no doubt about that at all. Why should every crime by Muslim's be covered by the press unless the same rules apply to non Muslim's as well? Two points here, first Trump a Christian baptised fanatic's religious belief is never mentioned and "Allahu Akber" can be chanted by anyone in a false flag operation. Why don't you attack Christian NATO for killing so many innocent Muslim's or Hindu fanatics threatening to do this or that to Indian Muslim's?? Statistics are that the vast majority of terrorist related incidents in America are not related to Muslim people http://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/27/14412420/terrorism-muslims-america-islam-trump
http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-mu...0-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619
http://reason.com/archives/2017/03/24/do-muslims-commit-most-us-terrorist-atta

 

[Muhammad10]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">White supremacist who killed black man only regrets his victim wasn’t younger and ‘more successful’ <a href="https://t.co/xtvoOwISLH">https://t.co/xtvoOwISLH</a> <a href="https://t.co/arxd2bpQcZ">pic.twitter.com/arxd2bpQcZ</a></p>— Raw Story (@RawStory) <a href="https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/846135808834842626">March 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[shaykh]

Just wondering what are your thoughts on converts leaning towards extremism? Extremism exists in born Muslims too but converts seem extremely bitter about everything. As if they are trying to prove something.

As a former convert myself I certainly feel there is an appeal to a group...the likes of HT and El Mahajiroun were excellent at recruiting converts...it operated in the same way as say a gang in that you had a sense of belonging...and they make you feel like you are doing something that matters...they are proactive...the likes of Tabligh Jamaat for instance are boring to converts...and they also shy away from problems that Muslims face...the Salafis and the other groups mentioned focus on offering solutions...and actually focus on Muslim issues which seems more appealing...while the apolitical groups were seen as weak...

Converts are also often recruited within the prison system...i do think a lot of Islamic extremism has a redemptive element to it...the idea of dying and having all your sins wiped out can be very comforting...and motivating...

I also think extremist groups are more accommodating to people from criminal backgrounds...ie i feel general Muslims can be very big on ostracising people who don't practice properly...so they lose out to the extremist elements who do the 'Omar Bin Khattab was the biggest of sinners and became on the greatest Muslims' routine...extremist groups target the ostracised and mould them...whilst average Muslims are more judgemental...