Who among these three have the most natural ability - AB de Villiers, Hashim Amla or Virat Kohli?

[msb314]

Before we begin - please do NOT talk about records in ICC tournaments or bilateral series or whilst chasing etc.

This thread is strictly about natural talent and ability that these 3 players possess.

Who has the most and why?

Discuss!

 

[Buffet]

I don't think it's need to be debated to be honest. AB has the most natural ability and it's not even a comparison. AB can play more number of shots on exact same ball.

 

[Ab Fan]

AB because he would bat like a normal day and still be striking at a 120-125 runs per 100 balls and against better bowlers. Against inferior bowlers, the extent of brutality increases only.

 

[Zero]

AB has the best reflexes and the ability to score shots all over the ground. The most dynamic batsman around.

 

[Tusker]

ABD ... but ability alone doesn't get you to the top.

 

[giri26]

To be frank ABD has the most natural ability. Some of the shots he plays is out of the world.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

All of these players fall into different class.

I would take Kholi over anyone. the guy is a pure class.

 

[Suleiman]

ABCD has the most natural ability. The other 2 are about equal in natural ability but one has mental fortitude and the other doesn't. Neither does AB.

 

[CadPakFan]

Undoubtedly Mr. 360, he is out of this planet in natural ability.

 

[kingusama92]

AB definitely has the most natural ability.

Incredible talent.

Kohli and Amla have a great work ethic, which has allowed them to grow into world-class batsmen.

 

[Zeshan547]

AB definitely has the most natural ability.

Incredible talent.

Kohli and Amla have a great work ethic, which has allowed them to grow into world-class batsmen.

If its World Cup and knock out match i would trust none of these 3 sadly, in bilaterals they are beast. But all three are chokers of highest order sadly.

 

[Teshi98]

Devillers without any doubt. He has got brilliant reflexes and great innovative shots to make any bowler look like club level. He has got the ability to play 30 ball 100 and 200 ball 30. He has got both great temarement and great shots. If his mental game( under pressure/ in tough situations) would have been 50 percent of his natural ability he might well have been the best batsmen ever going past the likes of viv and sachin(atleast in odis)

 

[Madplayer]

In terms of Shot making ability - ABD is the most gifted player ever.

But over all , Kohli is the most gifted.

Mental strenth is also a part of natural talent and he wipes the floor with AB and Amla when it comes to mental strength.

 

[Zeshan547]

In terms of Shot making ability - ABD is the most gifted player ever.

But over all , Kohli is the most gifted.

Mental strenth is also a part of natural talent and he wipes the floor with AB and Amla when it comes to mental strength.

Hahaha mental strength, where was this damn thing on June 18, and in that 2015 WC semi, and many other occasions, if bashing mediocre bowling on Flatest roads is proof of mental strength than he really is toughest player mentally.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

AB but Amla and Kohli are too good to 'invent' shot when they can play an exquisitely conventional shot on same delivery.

 

[Madplayer]

Hahaha mental strength, where was this damn thing on June 18, and in that 2015 WC semi, and many other occasions, if bashing mediocre bowling on Flatest roads is proof of mental strength than he really is toughest player mentally.

Okay. But We are comparing kohli's mental strength to Ab and Amla who are duds. Kohli performs in high pressure chases for fun compared to these two individuals.

 

[RamLakhan]

Hahaha mental strength, where was this damn thing on June 18, and in that 2015 WC semi, and many other occasions, if bashing mediocre bowling on Flatest roads is proof of mental strength than he really is toughest player mentally.

Knockout matches/Finals-SFs are won by team efforts and not necessarily individual mental strength. Anybody can get into tremendous mental stress in these matches especially if the opposition comes up with true team power & team effort! Nothing can be done about that. Do you want to say that Gilchrist had tremendous mental strength for performing in finals chasing modest total after his team's great bowling effort against a team's batting which succumbed under pressure (Pakistan). On the other day Indian bowlers who did alright till finals couldn't at least maintain some level-head instead got sick just looking at Gilchrist & Hayden & the people to come after that! Is this what you call "Playing brilliantly under pressure"? I am sorry, if you swap Gilchrist & Kohli in these scenarios I would say Gilchrist will exactly succumb like Kohli and Kohli will exactly excel like Gilchrist with no pressure whatsoever! You need to understand cricket beyond statistics!

 

[Adil_94]

AB guy can play any type of bowling and any type of shot he is a 360 batsman. when Johnson was bowling like a demon in 2014. AB was the only one making him look human.

ABs issue is that he sometimes overthinks or makes the wrong decision.

as a pure natural talent AB is above Amla and Kohli.

Kohli ofc has talent but he has a game u can tell that has been honed after years of practice and hard work. he has a much more methodical calculated style.of batting which is one of the reasons he is so good at chasing.

 

[Mamoon]

Talent-wise de Villiers is probably as good as anyone in history, but Kohli is mentally stronger than both de Villiers and Amla combined.

 

[Madplayer]

Talent-wise de Villiers is probably as good as anyone in history, but Kohli is mentally stronger than both de Villiers and Amla combined.

You dont consider mental strength as part of talent?

 

[Bilal7]

Okay. But We are comparing kohli's mental strength to Ab and Amla who are duds. Kohli performs in high pressure chases for fun compared to these two individuals.

The number of pressure innings that Amla, and to a lesser extent, ABD have played in test cricket render these sort of claims pretty laughable. As does the comparative World Cup record of ABD and Kohli.

Mental strength doesn't start and end with chasing down targets on roads.

 

[Bilal7]

ABD has the most natural talent out of the three.

 

[ExpressPacer]

You dont consider mental strength as part of talent?

I think the question is more towards cricketing talent. Mental strength isn't exactly a talent for cirkcet

 

[CanadianG00se]

ABD

Kohli

Amla

 

[Madplayer]

I think the question is more towards cricketing talent. Mental strength isn't exactly a talent for cirkcet

I think temperament and ability to play well in pressure situations is also cricketing talent. Otherwise even umar akmal is more talented than amla and virat.

 

[Mamoon]

You dont consider mental strength as part of talent?

de Villiers' talent is greater than Kohli because of certain physical gifts. His hand-eye coordination, reflexes and agility are better than Kohli's. Growing up, he played 5-6 different sports in excelled in all of them, while cricket is the only sport Kohli has played. Those experiences have made de Villiers a superior athlete.

Mental strength is more of a product of intelligence. Kohli probably has a much higher IQ than de Villiers and he understands the game better. The way he reads the situation, his decision-making and his execution have helped him utilize his talents better than de Villiers.

In terms of physical talents I'd say de Villiers is a 10 and Kohli is a 9, but in terms of intelligence Kohli is probably 10 and de Villiers is 7.

 

[Teshi98]

The number of pressure innings that Amla, and to a lesser extent, ABD have played in test cricket render these sort of claims pretty laughable. As does the comparative World Cup record of ABD and Kohli.

Mental strength doesn't start and end with chasing down targets on roads.

Wow a man who rubbishes kohli t20 performances in pressure situations claiming that they can not prove that he is good pressure players in odis is giving references from test cricketto save his favourite cricketer and abd from embarassment of multiple failures in pressure conditions.

 

[Bilal7]

Wow a man who rubbishes kohli t20 performances in pressure situations claiming that they can not prove that he is good pressure players in odis is giving references from test cricketto save his favourite cricketer and abd from embarassment of multiple failures in pressure conditions.

This thread is not just about ODI cricket. How about you learn to read before being allowed to post on Pakpassion?

 

[Hasan123]

ABD had the most natural talent out of the 3. His hand eye coordination ,reflexes,and agility give him the advantage.

Kohli is a better batsmen than both Amla and ABD.

 

[Mamoon]

Few ironies are greater in life than an Amla fan criticizing Kohli for being a choker.

 

[Abdul]

Kohli.

 

[Bilal7]

Few ironies are greater in life than an Amla fan criticizing Kohli for being a choker.

Then you check Kohli's record in the four biggest matches/challenges of his career and take an extended break from Pakpassion.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If you are talking about manufacturing shots ABDV stands well above most in the history. But when you talk about playing destructive innings just with conventional shots it has to be Kohli. He hardly sweeps a spinner. Amla is more like an accumulator at steady pace.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

You dont consider mental strength as part of talent?

If that’s the case does that mean Steve Waugh was more talented then Mark Waugh ?

Or maybe we should clarify between mental talent and physical talent ?

 

[sshakir411]

AB probably since he actually made the national team in two other sports. I think he is the stand out athlete out of the 3 but not the best batsman, that will be Virat.

 

[Mamoon]

Then you check Kohli's record in the four biggest matches/challenges of his career and take an extended break from Pakpassion.

Kohli needs a big World Cup, but he has already done much better than Amla in ICC tournaments and has completely outclassed Amla in India vs South Africa matches in those tournaments. But of course, Amla's duck is better than Kohli's hundred, and we all know why. Unfortunately it has nothing to do with cricketing reasons.

 

[Tusker]

Then you check Kohli's record in the four biggest matches/challenges of his career and take an extended break from Pakpassion.

let me get this straight ... so a career thats almost 200 ODIs long is decided based on 4 matches ? Even you should find it hard to accept as logical

 

[Ab Fan]

let me get this straight ... so a career thats almost 200 ODIs long is decided based on 4 matches ? Even you should find it hard to accept as logical

You messed it here. He can say the same is brought about Amla every time.

 

[Bilal7]

You messed it here. He can say the same is brought about Amla every time.

Don't even bother with that guy. I actually don't consider WC matches as the be all, end all. Kohli and Amla are better ODI batsmen than anyone except ABD from their generation.

Kohli needs a big World Cup, but he has already done much better than Amla in ICC tournaments and has completely outclassed Amla in India vs South Africa matches in those tournaments. But of course, Amla's duck is better than Kohli's hundred, and we all know why. Unfortunately it has nothing to do with cricketing reasons.

"Much" better. A similar World Cup average, one century each against top teams and failures in a similar number of big matches is hardly what I would call "much" better.

Yes, your hatred of Amla has nothing to do with cricketing reasons. I still remember that embarassing thread where you told everyone that you wanted Irfan to inflict bodily harm on him just because of your own inner misery and sadness.

Now either discuss cricket or zip it.

 

[Teshi98]

This thread is not just about ODI cricket. How about you learn to read before being allowed to post on Pakpassion?

And how about you learn to understand the context before posting usual nonsense. No one is debating over amla or abd test performances under pressure. The debate is how they have done in pressure situations in odis not tests but to show them superior to kohli you brought in topic test matches. I do not feel that this is completely wrong but the irony is that you ridicule people for bringing up t20 performances in kohli's support and still do similarly when it helps you in proving something.

 

[Bilal7]

This thread is about natural talent, which cannot be limited to one format or the other. In threads that are about Kohli's ODI performances, his T20 exploits do not matter.

I really hope this makes sense to you.

 

[Hasan123]

And how about you learn to understand the context before posting usual nonsense. No one is debating over amla or abd test performances under pressure. The debate is how they have done in pressure situations in odis not tests but to show them superior to kohli you brought in topic test matches. I do not feel that this is completely wrong but the irony is that you ridicule people for bringing up t20 performances in kohli's support and still do similarly when it helps you in proving something.

Of course he doesn't respond to a logical post.

 

[Bilal7]

Of course he doesn't respond to a logical post.

Look again and where exactly was the logic in that post?

 

[Hasan123]

Look again and where exactly was the logic in that post?

He's carried his batting line up for most of his LO career but he failed in 4 games, so that makes him a choker in your opinion.

Explain how your post is logical.

 

[Bilal7]

He's carried his batting line up for most of his LO career but he failed in 4 games, so that makes him a choker in your opinion.

Explain how your post is logical.

Nevermind. He was saying I cannot mention test performances in this thread without realizing that this thread is about talent, which is the same across formats. You clearly did not read either.

Funny how you say this about Kohli but then call AB, Amla and the South African cricket team chokers whenever they lose a WC KO match. Anyways, OP has said this thread is not about this discussion so let's drop it.

 

[Hasan123]

Nevermind. He was saying I cannot mention test performances in this thread without realizing that this thread is about talent, which is the same across formats. You clearly did not read either.

Funny how you say this about Kohli but then call AB, Amla and the South African cricket team chokers whenever they lose a WC KO match. Anyways, OP has said this thread is not about this discussion so let's drop it.

I have already answered OPs question. I was just making a comment on your post which I am entitled to do.

Not only I, but most of the cricketing world calls South Africa chokers.

 

[Mamoon]

Don't even bother with that guy. I actually don't consider WC matches as the be all, end all. Kohli and Amla are better ODI batsmen than anyone except ABD from their generation.



"Much" better. A similar World Cup average, one century each against top teams and failures in a similar number of big matches is hardly what I would call "much" better.

Yes, your hatred of Amla has nothing to do with cricketing reasons. I still remember that embarassing thread where you told everyone that you wanted Irfan to inflict bodily harm on him just because of your own inner misery and sadness.

Now either discuss cricket or zip it.

I don't remember saying something of that sort. You are probably misquoting me like you always do, but your love for Amla's persona is not a secret.

 

[Tusker]

You messed it here. He can say the same is brought about Amla every time.

Not really. Thats because pressure situations aren't just confined to ICC Events or Knockout matches. Anyone who saw Kohli chase down 350+ (more than once) will realize that. Also there is that 330+ against Lanka that was chased down in under 40 overs .... but yes I realize I am dealing with some specimens with agenda.

 

[Ab Fan]

Not really. Thats because pressure situations aren't just confined to ICC Events or Knockout matches. Anyone who saw Kohli chase down 350+ (more than once) will realize that. Also there is that 330+ against Lanka that was chased down in under 40 overs .... but yes I realize I am dealing with some specimens with agenda.

Okay I understand all your points. Hobart knock I think you are referring to.

Anyways I would suggest there is no point really in these debates when you know that you can't make some posters understand because no matter whatever you do they simply aren't ready to understand that.

 

[Tusker]

Anyways I would suggest there is no point really in these debates when you know that you can't make some posters understand because no matter whatever you do they simply aren't ready to understand that.

Iam not even trying to do that actually .... it is just great fun to watch these guys come up with super hilarious explanations to back up what is essentially just pent up rage/jealousy/frustrations after having been at the receiving end soo many times.

For the next few decades he is going to cling onto that CT failure to "Prove" his point

 

[Smbhayi]

lol there's nothing to discuss on this topic.

 

[giri26]

When we are talking about natural ability it has to be AB De Villiers all the way as I had mentioned earlier. All three of them are talented but the thread here asks only about natural ability.

 

[Zeshan547]

Whats the use of All that natural ability if you can't make it count when it really matters, its like Messi being called the greatest of all time but he when he failed to contribute for Argentina in that final it leaves a big stain on his greatness, but to his credit he atlest helped his team to reach final,but ABD can't even make that for and its not like he plays for a minnow team, Amla is even bigger chocker, And kohli is the closest thing among these three to be called clutch but he also goes missing mostly on the biggest stages, if ABD could win SAF 2019 ODI WC, it will cement his legacy as undoubted greatest of all time for many cricket fans, if not he will be remembered as supremely talented cricketer who cracked on the biggest stage under pressure.