Who has the second quickest pace attack in the sub-continent?

[as-95]

Saw this image posted by [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] in the Asia Cup thread but it deserves its own topic! We all know Pakistan has the fastest and highest quality pace attack in the subcontinent but who takes second place in the speed charts?

My question is based solely on speeds... i would say India comes second in terms of quality but strictly based on speed, is Sri Lanka above them?

Do you think the IPL is affecting Indian bowler performance? Are they fatigued? Are the wrong players being selected? Whats your thoughts on why their speeds are low?

Speed wise (my thoughts)
Pak
Sri Lanka
India
Bangladesh
Afghanistan


Can we have a poll on the second fastest bowling side please [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] ?

 

[Ozeirk]

I believe it's Pakistan because in Indian minds they are the second coming of Windies attack of 80s.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India picked exclusively medium pacers for this tournament. So it is no surprise they third in that list. That doesn't include the players who were not picked/ who took rest/ who were sidelined. Having said that Chameera is a 145 kph bowler/ Lahiru Kumara is a nother 145 kph bowler. There is one more guy who is quick as well from Srilanka. None of them were playing.

 

[Bilal7]

India picked exclusively medium pacers for this tournament. So it is no surprise they third in that list. That doesn't include the players who were not picked/ who took rest/ who were sidelined. Having said that Chameera is a 145 kph bowler/ Lahiru Kumara is a nother 145 kph bowler. There is one more guy who is quick as well from Srilanka. None of them were playing.

India's quick bowlers are Mohammad Shami, Mohammad Siraj, Umran Malik and Jasprit Bumrah.

I agree that India would be second but they are nowhere close to Pakistan. We have four bowlers who bowl at 150+ kph.

 

[Abhilash93]

If speed was the only concern, then India could have easily got Bumrah, Prasidh, Umran, Navdeep Saini, Umesh, Siraj, Mohsin Khan, Kuldeep Sen, Kartik Tyagi etc (Avesh got injured) and many many more who bowl faster than Bhuvi/Arshdeep.

Also, Sri Lanka were missing a few faster bowlers as well.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If speed was the only concern, then India could have easily got Bumrah, Prasidh, Umran, Navdeep Saini, Umesh, Siraj, Mohsin Khan, Kuldeep Sen, Kartik Tyagi etc (Avesh got injured) and many many more who bowl faster than Bhuvi/Arshdeep.

Also, Sri Lanka were missing a few faster bowlers as well.

India will focus more on balance than raw pace. We just need one raw pace bowler. Don't need 4 identical fast bowlers. Not like teams are going to surrender themselves to you just because you bowl at 145 kph. They will come at you.

 

[Ozeirk]

India will focus more on balance than raw pace. We just need one raw pace bowler. Don't need 4 identical fast bowlers. Not like teams are going to surrender themselves to you just because you bowl at 145 kph. They will come at you.

In Australia fast bowlers with pace will be the most effective. Trundlers have a long history of struggling there.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In Australia fast bowlers with pace will be the most effective. Trundlers have a long history of struggling there.

Not true. Natrajan has an economy of 6.91. Bowled exclusively at death for India. Landed accurate yorkers. Bhuvi's ER is also 6.80. Those are true wickets. If you miss the mark it doesn't matter you bowl at 150 kph or 125 kph you will travel. If you can extract bounce at high pace then we are talking.

 

[Sachin136]

We all know Pakistan has the fastest and highest quality pace attack in the subcontinent

I hope you're just talking about T20s, because Pakistan is nowhere close to being the "highest quality pace attack in the subcontinent" in tests.

 

[as-95]

India picked exclusively medium pacers for this tournament. So it is no surprise they third in that list. That doesn't include the players who were not picked/ who took rest/ who were sidelined. Having said that Chameera is a 145 kph bowler/ Lahiru Kumara is a nother 145 kph bowler. There is one more guy who is quick as well from Srilanka. None of them were playing.

They picked medium pacers because they have dwindling pace attacks and the only slightly breezy medium pacers they have are burnt out from IPL...

 

[Major]

Tough competation between afghanistan and india

 

[Villager6964]

I hope you're just talking about T20s, because Pakistan is nowhere close to being the "highest quality pace attack in the subcontinent" in tests.

LOL i think you are not familiar with Naseem's speed in tests.
He is the fastest test bowler in the test cricket right now in Asia.

 

[as-95]

If speed was the only concern, then India could have easily got Bumrah, Prasidh, Umran, Navdeep Saini, Umesh, Siraj, Mohsin Khan, Kuldeep Sen, Kartik Tyagi etc (Avesh got injured) and many many more who bowl faster than Bhuvi/Arshdeep.

Also, Sri Lanka were missing a few faster bowlers as well.

Who are these players that nobody has heard of? Do they play for the same team as Atul Sharma? I wonder if these unknown bowlers eat meat... some protein in their diets would help them catch up to their Sri Lankan counterparts...

 

[as-95]

Tough competation between afghanistan and india

Afghan spin department is superior to Indias... are you suggesting their fast bowlers are pacier too?!

 

[as-95]

I hope you're just talking about T20s, because Pakistan is nowhere close to being the "highest quality pace attack in the subcontinent" in tests.

I am talking about overall quality in all formats. Pakistan is undoubtedly the best in quality and by far the fastest.

 

[Major]

Afghan spin department is superior to Indias... are you suggesting their fast bowlers are pacier too?!

They have bowlrrs that do bowl at 140kph but we dont see the play for national team due to spin heavy tea.

Fazalhaq and fareed do touch 140kph, they even have guys like wafadar and other pacers. They match the speeds with india.

India has what 2-3 pacers of such speeds i guess

 

[Major]

If speed was the only concern, then India could have easily got Bumrah, Prasidh, Umran, Navdeep Saini, Umesh, Siraj, Mohsin Khan, Kuldeep Sen, Kartik Tyagi etc (Avesh got injured) and many many more who bowl faster than Bhuvi/Arshdeep.

Also, Sri Lanka were missing a few faster bowlers as well.

All the bowlrrs you mentioned, if pakistan decided to kit mohammad sami up, trust me, even at this age he would be bowling faster than india trudlers

 

[as-95]

All the bowlrrs you mentioned, if pakistan decided to kit mohammad sami up, trust me, even at this age he would be bowling faster than india trudlers

I know this may be a tongue in cheek comment but I'd bet my money on Sami against Indias trundlers )

 

[as-95]

They have bowlrrs that do bowl at 140kph but we dont see the play for national team due to spin heavy tea.

Fazalhaq and fareed do touch 140kph, they even have guys like wafadar and other pacers. They match the speeds with india.

India has what 2-3 pacers of such speeds i guess

Afghans are generally powerfully built and they have meat packed diets. i wonder if India's vegetarian diet doesn't allow them to reach their fast bowling potential. I wonder if Afghans will soon overtake India pace-wise in international cricket like Sri Lanka may have!

 

[Villager6964]

All the bowlrrs you mentioned, if pakistan decided to kit mohammad sami up, trust me, even at this age he would be bowling faster than india trudlers

I remember when Sami was playing in Asia Cup 2016 he was bowling 145ks.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Fastest pace attack in the world and then what? Pakistan are going to lose at the World T20 most likely just like they did in the last World T20 in the UAE when they had the fastest pace attack there as well.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India will never field 4 150+ pace bowlers together.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Fastest pace attack in the world and then what? Pakistan are going to lose at the World T20 most likely just like they did in the last World T20 in the UAE when they had the fastest pace attack there as well.

Why are you crying here and what has this thread got to do with World T20? Not too long ago fans from india were going gaga over Umran Malik's speed and they were only interested in comparing his speed with Pakistani bowlers. Some even said that he will break Shoaib Akhtar's record. Now OP mentions specifically that this thread is about speed only. So just stick to the topic at hand and don't show your jealousy like this.

 

[Major]

India will never field 4 150+ pace bowlers together.

Bhai place this intikhab smoley as your dp....

Is there a chance dravid might give umran another go at international level?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bhai place this intikhab smoley as your dp....

Is there a chance dravid might give umran another go at international level?

Kohli would have definitely asked for Umran from selectors. Current captain and coach are happy with 9-5 jobs type bowlers.

 

[ethan hunt]

Pakistan
Daylight
Srilanka
Bangladesh, India
Afghanistan.

 

[Majestic]

List of Indian fast bowlers who bowl 140+

1. Umran Malik
2. Jasprit Bumrah
3. Mohammad Siraj
4. Prasidh Krishna
5. Umesh Yadav
6.Navdeep Saini
7. Mohsin Khan
8. Kartik Tyagi
9. Kuldeep Sen
10. Avesh Khan

 

[as-95]

Fastest pace attack in the world and then what? Pakistan are going to lose at the World T20 most likely just like they did in the last World T20 in the UAE when they had the fastest pace attack there as well.

You mean like how India lost the Asia Cup after being dumped out by Pakistan? Love how salty you are

 

[as-95]

List of Indian fast bowlers who bowl 140+

1. Umran Malik
2. Jasprit Bumrah
3. Mohammad Siraj
4. Prasidh Krishna
5. Umesh Yada
6.Navdeep Saini
7. Mohsin Khan
8. Kartik Tyagi
9. Kuldeep Sen
10. Avesh Khan

You mean Yadav the 34 year old who hasn't played International cricket since 2019? indian pace reserves must be really dry for you to include him at 5th spot ). Where is Atul Sharma btw?

 

[ethan hunt]

List of Indian fast bowlers who bowl 140+

1. Umran Malik
2. Jasprit Bumrah
3. Mohammad Siraj
4. Prasidh Krishna
5. Umesh Yadav
6.Navdeep Saini
7. Mohsin Khan
8. Kartik Tyagi
9. Kuldeep Sen
10. Avesh Khan

Lmao Avesh khan ? Really ? That guy grunts and bowls at 135 kph . Prasidh krishna. You’ve just thrown in random names. Besides Umran and Jasprit, nobody is in that bracket.

 

[Abhilash93]

Who are these players that nobody has heard of? Do they play for the same team as Atul Sharma? I wonder if these unknown bowlers eat meat... some protein in their diets would help them catch up to their Sri Lankan counterparts...

Looks like you don't follow much international cricket. Except the last 3, all others have played international cricket. Prasidh even got the MOS in an ODI series where he bounced out the WI batsmen on dead Indian pitches.

 

[Suleiman]

You mean Yadav the 34 year old who hasn't played International cricket since 2019? indian pace reserves must be really dry for you to include him at 5th spot ). Where is Atul Sharma btw?

The world isn’t ready for Atul Sharma. He is a bio engineered phenom like Drago from Rocky IV.

 

[Mesozoic]

Reading this thread, one would get an impression that Pakistan with it's current phassht attack has won multiple world cups and test series' in SENA or something. In reality, they couldn't even beat West Indies and lost to Australian reverse swinging bowlers on home soil.

Amazing really... you bowl some 'daler' 2 over spells in T20 cricket and suddenly you are hailed as superior to an attack that has left you in the dust in the formats that actually provide a fair account of a fast bowler's potential. And then these same guys complain and moan when Naseem Or Shaheen start bowling 130 kph thunderbolts in their second spell of a test match in Galle. Messed up priorities and standards I see.

 

[Majestic]

You mean Yadav the 34 year old who hasn't played International cricket since 2019? indian pace reserves must be really dry for you to include him at 5th spot ). Where is Atul Sharma btw?

Wrong information. Umesh Yadav played in England last year and also played a test in Australia. He is in the reckoning. He is 34 yr old so may not clock 140+ regularly but did during his peak and still maintains 135+ with an odd ball going over 140. We will see if these Pak pacers maintain 140+ at 30+ age.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Who are the 4 150+ pacers Pakistan has?
If you mean bowling once in a blue moon above 150 then that doesn't even matter.

 

[as-95]

Looks like you don't follow much international cricket. Except the last 3, all others have played international cricket. Prasidh even got the MOS in an ODI series where he bounced out the WI batsmen on dead Indian pitches.

And where is he after his MOS? Nowhere to be seen... if he was even mediocre, he would be playing here!

 

[as-95]

Who are the 4 150+ pacers Pakistan has?
If you mean bowling once in a blue moon above 150 then that doesn't even matter.

You're not answering the question... we are simply talking about who the second fastest pace attack is in the Subcontinent... no need to be insecure and deflect attention on to Pakistan (who have outstanding pace!)

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indian fans are confused in this thread lol. In the match threads they can be seen calling bowlers like bhuvi, arshdeep, shardul, chahar etc. trundlers, they also want phaasht bowlers like Umran in the team but here in this thread these same fans can't digest the fact that Pakistan has bowlers who can bowl real fast.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

You're not answering the question... we are simply talking about who the second fastest pace attack is in the Subcontinent... no need to be insecure and deflect attention on to Pakistan (who have outstanding pace!)

Lemme answer this.

The second fastest attack in THIS asia cup is SriLanka.

If you are talking about second fastest attack in Asia then that's definitely India.
Bumrah, Umran, Prasidh, Shami etc are all 140+kph bowlers whose names weren't there in this tournament.

 

[Hextro]

The second fastest is definitely Sri Lanka and I say that with no bias. The likes of Lahiru Kumara and Chameera are really quick. They've bowled over 150kph a few times in the past.

Right now Pakistan has four fast bowlers that can crank it up to 150kph, two of whom do it regularly. Naseem hit over 150kph a few times in the PSL and Shaheen hit 151 in last year's T20 world cup while also hitting 152kph in the PSL. Hasnain has bowled over 155kph a few times. Haris is hitting over 150kph every match regularly nowadays.

Pace Rankings:

1) Pakistan

2) Sri Lanka

3) India

4) Bangladesh/Afghanistan

Both Bangladesh and especially Afghanistan have the potential to take the number 3 spot. India doesn't really care about pace as you can see from their selections.

 

[Duckworth Lewis]

Pakistan fans once again getting delusion. Barring a Test series in NZ where Gul and Tanveer Ahmed performed well decade ago, no Pakistani fast bowling pair has demolished top sides in SENA since 2010 Amir and Asif. Even Pakistan's best bowler Shaheen hasn't matched the performance of Bumrah, Shami and Siraj in England and Australia. India could have matched Pakistan's pace if they had selected the right players. Stay humble people.

 

[IAJ]

Lols childish discussions going on here, my dad has bigger arms than your dad etc. In the end the bowlers who win you matches matter.

 

[IAJ]

Pakistan fans once again getting delusion. Barring a Test series in NZ where Gul and Tanveer Ahmed performed well decade ago, no Pakistani fast bowling pair has demolished top sides in SENA since 2010 Amir and Asif. Even Pakistan's best bowler Shaheen hasn't matched the performance of Bumrah, Shami and Siraj in England and Australia. India could have matched Pakistan's pace if they had selected the right players. Stay humble people.

Good advice!

 

[Usman Chadda]

Lols childish discussions going on here, my dad has bigger arms than your dad etc. In the end the bowlers who win you matches matter.

Some people like watching genuine pace bowling. This discussion is not about whether our bowlers are world beaters or not. They have done well recently, and done well by bowling really quick, but theres a long way to go before they match-up to the established names in world cricket.

 

[BOBO4393]

LOL i think you are not familiar with Naseem's speed in tests.
He is the fastest test bowler in the test cricket right now in Asia.

David warner waiting for naseem shah to get in his form back

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lemme answer this.

The second fastest attack in THIS asia cup is SriLanka.

If you are talking about second fastest attack in Asia then that's definitely India.
Bumrah, Umran, Prasidh, Shami etc are all 140+kph bowlers whose names weren't there in this tournament.

Why didn't these guys play in Asia Cup then? Bumrah was injured but what happened to other three? Not good enough?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lols childish discussions going on here, my dad has bigger arms than your dad etc. In the end the bowlers who win you matches matter.

To be honest you can't blame some of them. Not too long ago some of my fellow indian fans were the ones making fun of Pakistani bowlers and their speed here after discovering Umran Malik. Some even said he is better than Waqar, some said he will break Akhtar's record soon. Not saying he can't but whatever I saw of him in Ireland I think he can bowl around 140-145 range. I advised them to stay grounded because if its only about speed then Pakistan can throw bowlers like these in international cricket pretty easily.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

TBH, i think Shaheen is the only one who I can definitely say is gonna achieve big things.

Not sold on Naseem yet, needs to perform against strong opponents as his performance against India was decent at best.

As for Rauf, he is gonna get massacred in the upcoming t20 wc, don't rate him at all, same goes for Hasnain and Dahani.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Teams having a medium pacers, death bowling specialists (even at lower pace) is very common. Even SENA countries don't load their side with four 145k bowlers even though they have. West indies has a lot of such bowlers. But they are all very expensive. They need a certain obed to handle death bowling. India has a lot of 145 k bowlers. But either they are not good enough or matured enough to be part of the side. Similarly in India there were so many 145 k bowlers. Even under-19 bowler Hangrekar clocked 150 kph. But did not get a single game with CSK. He is a bit short.

Honestly short and skiddy quicks have limitations. Shami is probably an exception due to his skill level. Amazing stamina and great seam position. The tall and fast bowlers that can extract bounce can do much more damage like Jansen is doing now.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Umran bowls at 155 kph effortlessly. once again his height may not be an advantageous height. But Tyagi over six feet can be more disconcerting at slightly lesser speed. All these guys have to develop skills to be in consideration for selection. Although it makes sense to back Umran now rather than 2 years from now given that genuine quicks have limited shelf life.

 

[as-95]

TBH, i think Shaheen is the only one who I can definitely say is gonna achieve big things.

Not sold on Naseem yet, needs to perform against strong opponents as his performance against India was decent at best.

As for Rauf, he is gonna get massacred in the upcoming t20 wc, don't rate him at all, same goes for Hasnain and Dahani.

No need to derail this thread with your insecurities… we are simply talking about who the second fastest pace attack is. We already know Pakistan is the fastest. We are not here to discuss an in depth breakdown of each fast bowler from Pakistan since we are talking about their speeds!

 

[as-95]

Umran bowls at 155 kph effortlessly. once again his height may not be an advantageous height. But Tyagi over six feet can be more disconcerting at slightly lesser speed. All these guys have to develop skills to be in consideration for selection. Although it makes sense to back Umran now rather than 2 years from now given that genuine quicks have limited shelf life.

I am yet to see this 155kph bowling and so is [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] apparently! If he was bowing this fast so effortlessly, he would be in the playing XI! The lengths some posters go to with fake propaganda is embarrassing )

 

[as-95]

Pakistan fans once again getting delusion. Barring a Test series in NZ where Gul and Tanveer Ahmed performed well decade ago, no Pakistani fast bowling pair has demolished top sides in SENA since 2010 Amir and Asif. Even Pakistan's best bowler Shaheen hasn't matched the performance of Bumrah, Shami and Siraj in England and Australia. India could have matched Pakistan's pace if they had selected the right players. Stay humble people.

Indian fans once again getting insecure … this thread is about the fastest pace attacks in the sub continent and why Sri Lanka is the second fastest at the moment!

On a different note though, where are Shami and Siraj if they are such high performers ). Where are they hiding whilst their team has been dumped out of the Asia Cup by their superior counterparts?!

 

[jnaveen1980]

I am yet to see this 155kph bowling and so is [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] apparently! If he was bowing this fast so effortlessly, he would be in the playing XI! The lengths some posters go to with fake propaganda is embarrassing )

Dude. His record was 156 kph forst fastest ball until it was broken by Ferguson with 157 kph. For heavensake they have an award for fastest ball. He was the bowler that had the highest 150 kph balls among all bowlers.

https://wisden.com/stories/global-t...list-of-fastest-deliveries-recorded-speed-gun

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No need to derail this thread with your insecurities… we are simply talking about who the second fastest pace attack is. We already know Pakistan is the fastest. We are not here to discuss an in depth breakdown of each fast bowler from Pakistan since we are talking about their speeds!

He is so insecure. Saying things like Rauf is going to get massacred in T20WC and same goes for Hasnain and Dahani lol. He is the same guy who was saying that India will win all 3 matches against Pakistan in Asia Cup even before it started. Itni jealousy.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

TBH, i think Shaheen is the only one who I can definitely say is gonna achieve big things.

Not sold on Naseem yet, needs to perform against strong opponents as his performance against India was decent at best.

As for Rauf, he is gonna get massacred in the upcoming t20 wc, don't rate him at all, same goes for Hasnain and Dahani.

The performance of fast bowlers in Australia is dependent on the fielding much more than it is anywhere else in the world. Slow fielders with weak throws gives batters easy runs there. Singles turn into doubles and so forth.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I am talking about overall quality in all formats. Pakistan is undoubtedly the best in quality and by far the fastest.

No need to derail this thread with your insecurities… we are simply talking about who the second fastest pace attack is. We already know Pakistan is the fastest. We are not here to discuss an in depth breakdown of each fast bowler from Pakistan since we are talking about their speeds!

Read your post again.
You are talking about quality here.

If you think that Pakistan has a better quality attack in tests then you are deluded.

Based on stats and performance Pakistan's attack doesn't come close.

 

[as-95]

He is so insecure. Saying things like Rauf is going to get massacred in T20WC and same goes for Hasnain and Dahani lol. He is the same guy who was saying that India will win all 3 matches against Pakistan in Asia Cup even before it started. Itni jealousy.

They may well get massacred... most fast bowlers get massacred in T20's!

Wouldn't say there is immense jealousy but there is certainly serious insecurity from alot of the Indian posters

 

[Duckworth Lewis]

Indian fans once again getting insecure … this thread is about the fastest pace attacks in the sub continent and why Sri Lanka is the second fastest at the moment!

On a different note though, where are Shami and Siraj if they are such high performers ). Where are they hiding whilst their team has been dumped out of the Asia Cup by their superior counterparts?!

Teams generally play for wins rather than show off pace. Bilawal Bhatti and Mohammed Sami would have had long careers if pace was all that is important.
Shami and Siraj aren't going anywhere. You are in for a bad heart break if you seriously believe Pakistan's pace attack is better than India's in terms of quality. Bhuvi and Avesh aren't India's best pacers. It is the selectors trying too much when trying to find the ideal combination.
Posters have already listed Indian bowlers who can consistently bowl 140+.

 

[Ab Fan]

In terms of pace purely, the order is :

Pakistan
India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan

In terms of best bowling attack, the best attack is the one who does it time and again in the longest format as the endurance required is highest in that format, the order would be :

India
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan

 

[Savak]

Spray Gun Pakistani pacers.

 

[BOBO4393]

Pakistan is far superior than india as they have got 38 phaast bowler who can Cloak 160+ kph that matters lose in final doesn't matter

 

[pillionrider]

What's that they say - the faster you bowl, the longer you travel

 

[Savak]

This pace was useless today. Having 4-5 bowlers bowling at 140 km/hr plus makes the attack one dimensional as well. Look at the Sri Lankan pacers, they mixed it up with yorkers, slower deliveries, slower bouncers.

No substitute for bowling to your field and intelligently.

 

[Mamoon]

Keeping looking at the speed gun when you only have one world class fast bowler who also can’t bowl at death.

 

[sweep_shot]

This pace was useless today. Having 4-5 bowlers bowling at 140 km/hr plus makes the attack one dimensional as well. Look at the Sri Lankan pacers, they mixed it up with yorkers, slower deliveries, slower bouncers.

No substitute for bowling to your field and intelligently.

Yeah. You have a point.

In T20, slow ball is a very good delivery.

Pakistani bowlers are better but Lankan bowlers outbowled them today.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistan is the land of pacers and always will be. India, SL and BD will never produce as many lightning quick bowlers as Pakistan does .

Pakistan had the fastest bowlers in every single Asia Cup until now and will do so until the end of time.

Even if Pakitan never add to their tally of 2 Asia Cups ever in the future, the fans can always take pride in the fact that the number of 140 + kph deliveries bowled by PAK will be more than all other Asian nations combined.